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  • perrin82perrin82 Member UncommonPosts: 265
    Yes!
  • blueturtle13blueturtle13 Member LegendaryPosts: 12,698
    edited February 2017
    Iselin said:
    DLC or Expansion. Does not really matter what label you put on it. It is new content.
    Dying Light The Following is an expansion of the base game but many just call it DLC.
    I think all this posturing over a label is silly.
    It's a question of $... or did you miss that bit? DLCs = free with sub, "expansions" not. Posture that bud.
    Agreed 'Bud' yet those on this thread are posturing up over a label name not paid or not paid ;) Consumer R.O.I.

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  • blueturtle13blueturtle13 Member LegendaryPosts: 12,698
    Iselin said:
    Kryn said:
    Iselin said:
    SlyLoK said:

    Iselin said:

    While a return to Morrowind - technically those parts not already in the game - is indeed exciting news, the fact that they decided to re-brand this DLC as an "expansion" despite having little more in it than previous offerings called DLC (e.g. Orsinium) is leaving a sour taste in my mouth.

    I'm starting to feel like I'm getting over-marketed in ESO.



    Morrowind is twice the size of Orsinium. Not even comparable.
    Orsinium was marketed as 20 hours... definitely comparable.

    "Orsinium, ESO's largest DLC game pack to date, features a colossal new zone with over 20 hours of story content, a new single-player monster arena, new public dungeons, and much more!"
    I must have missed Orsinium's added class.  You can play the game for FREE after you buy it.  People will bitch about anything.
    Oh so it's dusting off the old beta Warden that's the defining characteristic of an expansion... good to know.
    You seem overly defense on here today. You ok? Pulling out the 'kid' and 'bud'
    Very uncharacteristic of you. *Shrugs*

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  • perrin82perrin82 Member UncommonPosts: 265
    Needless to say I am excited. Well worth the money. Very impressed.
  • blueturtle13blueturtle13 Member LegendaryPosts: 12,698
    perrin82 said:
    Needless to say I am excited. Well worth the money. Very impressed.
    You wouldn't be a Morrowind fan would you?  =)

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  • BillMurphyBillMurphy Former Managing EditorMember LegendaryPosts: 4,565
    The official term they're using is Chapter, because of the whole GW1 thing I mentioned earlier. But yeah, I pre-ordered the CE on Amazon, came to $79.99 with Prime. I can't wait. I hope there's one more DLC between Housing and this though. I get to go see Morrowind in just two weeks.

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  • DistopiaDistopia Member EpicPosts: 21,182
    edited February 2017
    Iselin said:
    Distopia said:
    DLC or Expansion. Does not really matter what label you put on it. It is new content.
    Dying Light The Following is an expansion of the base game but many just call it DLC.
    I think all this posturing over a label is silly.
    Yeah as long as you can sub to get the new stuff, it's no different to me than anything in the past.
    But you can't lol... that's the whole point of calling it an expansion and not a DLC.
    My bad then, still I doubt the price will be an issue for most. As I said the price probably has more to do with the new class, and new game modes, hence expansion.  Most expansions lock new classes/modes and stuff like that behind the paywall. Hell in AOC they locked the expansion behind two paywalls for F2P players. Buying the expansion didn't matter at all, you had to sub to use the race and areas. Seems rather par for the course in the industry.  You're judging the entire thing on the number of quest hours...

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  • KrynKryn Member UncommonPosts: 172
    edited February 2017


    DLC or Expansion. Does not really matter what label you put on it. It is new content.
    Dying Light The Following is an expansion of the base game but many just call it DLC.
    I think all this posturing over a label is silly.



    It is actually stupid. Peoples e-peen getting in the way. Either you buy it or you don't. None cares. Both sides need to shut up already.... It's a XXXXing game. I am sure by arguing over this will make you successful in life....it only represents immaturity.
  • perrin82perrin82 Member UncommonPosts: 265
    The official term they're using is Chapter, because of the whole GW1 thing I mentioned earlier. But yeah, I pre-ordered the CE on Amazon, came to $79.99 with Prime. I can't wait. I hope there's one more DLC between Housing and this though. I get to go see Morrowind in just two weeks.
    Just did the same order.  79.99 on Amazon.  Well worth it for me. I still have my pewter Ordinator sitting on my desk shelf from 2002.  I don't care what they call it,  DLC or expansion,  because it will epic. 
  • mmrvmmrv Member RarePosts: 305
    Was almost exciting and then you see its just repackaged reused same old content...I mean how many times am I going to fight the mechanical spiders...40 bucks to kill the same old stuff for the same old rewards but in a slightly modified landscape....yawn, these developers just don't get it and can't help but dish out cheap money grabs disguised as "new content".
  • IselinIselin Member LegendaryPosts: 14,929
    edited February 2017
    Distopia said:
    Iselin said:
    Distopia said:
    DLC or Expansion. Does not really matter what label you put on it. It is new content.
    Dying Light The Following is an expansion of the base game but many just call it DLC.
    I think all this posturing over a label is silly.
    Yeah as long as you can sub to get the new stuff, it's no different to me than anything in the past.
    But you can't lol... that's the whole point of calling it an expansion and not a DLC.
    My bad then, still I doubt the price will be an issue for most. As I said the price probably has more to do with the new class, and new game modes, hence expansion.  Most expansions lock new classes/modes and stuff like that behind the paywall. Hell in AOC they locked the expansion behind two paywalls for F2P players. Buying the expansion didn't matter at all, you had to sub to use the race and areas. Seems rather par for the course in the industry. 
    As I already said elsewhere, it's hard to compare what ESO calls what with what other games call it because ESO already set their own standard with their own unique type of B2P + DLC. Each DLC that has come up to now with the exception of the Shadows of the Hist that didn't add a new area has added significant content to the game: Orsinium + Malestrom Arena, Thieve's Guild + a zone, Dark Brotherhood + a zone, etc. It's their standard, not mine that set the expectations of what an ESO DLC looks like. And the difference between Morrowind and previous ones is minimal.

    Even a new class in ESO really isn't such a big deal because ESO is a hybrid class/classless design. The warden was a closed beta 5th class that got dropped along the way because it was underperforming compared to the other 4 and was too similar to the Templar - just nature based instead of divine. A lot of us would actually rather have a full classless design in ESO rather than a 5th or 6th one.

    And the battle arenas have always been talked about as an upcoming base game addition. Sticking it here just looks like filler to beef this DLC up into plausible expansion territory.

    I fully expected that ESO would have an expansion sooner or later. But I always thought that would be 2 or 3 more zones, 4 or 6 more group dungeons (there are none included with this one oddly enough) ++. This is just too thin to be called one, again, judging by the standards they set themselves.
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  • WarlyxWarlyx Member RarePosts: 3,085
    ice and bear pet ? i dont like TESO but grrrr , i love morrowind and pet classes , hoping warden is FUN! ,and not like Sorc pets at all
  • IselinIselin Member LegendaryPosts: 14,929
    Grakulen said:

    Iselin said:


    Sainguin said:



    Iselin said:




    Sainguin said:





    Iselin said:












    Iselin said:









    New class should be available for everyone.






    But no, it won't be.

    The Warden comes with Morrowind and is not part of the base game. Only those that own Morrowind will be able to create a Warden.






    I am aware of the posted writing. Yet it does not change my opinion that I believe all owners of the game should have access to the new class.






    No disagreement from me. Same with new 4v4v4 battlegrounds. That will also be a Morrowind-only exclusive.

    Hey they had to find enough to throw in there to sell the idea that this is an expansion and not a DLC :)









    You're hilariously mad about this.





    To the point of completely missing everything and just being blinded by rage.





    Morrowind is most definitely a full on expansion. Its double the size of Orsinium, adds a new storyline to the game, adds three 4v4v4 battlegrounds, adds a new way to start off in the game, adds a new class, and adds a new trial.





    In literally any other MMO this is an expansion. Actually, this is exactly a World of Warcraft expansion. New class? Check. New area? Check. New endgame? Check. Expansion.





    So quit your baseless raging and grow up.




    Oh it's double the size now? It just keeps on growing... lol.

    I've got a can of special super Pepsi called Pepsi+. I'll let it go for $20... you interested?






    Lol kinda funny how that's the only argument you can provide.



    You know you're wrong but you're so butthurt you can't admit it.


    Look kid, I've been playing ESO and promoting it in this site since before you even knew it was thing. But unlike you, I call them as I see them and don't go all fanboy whiteknight when they need to be called on something.

    This is a DLC re-branded as an expansion simply for the extra profit.  



    You lost me when you called him Kid.
    Yeah, ok. Personally I would have gotten lost at "quit your baseless raging and grow up" but that's just me.
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  • HorusraHorusra Member EpicPosts: 4,280
    Iselin said:
    Distopia said:
    Iselin said:
    Distopia said:
    DLC or Expansion. Does not really matter what label you put on it. It is new content.
    Dying Light The Following is an expansion of the base game but many just call it DLC.
    I think all this posturing over a label is silly.
    Yeah as long as you can sub to get the new stuff, it's no different to me than anything in the past.
    But you can't lol... that's the whole point of calling it an expansion and not a DLC.
    My bad then, still I doubt the price will be an issue for most. As I said the price probably has more to do with the new class, and new game modes, hence expansion.  Most expansions lock new classes/modes and stuff like that behind the paywall. Hell in AOC they locked the expansion behind two paywalls for F2P players. Buying the expansion didn't matter at all, you had to sub to use the race and areas. Seems rather par for the course in the industry. 
    As I already said elsewhere, it's hard to compare what ESO calls what with what other games call it because ESO already set their own standard with their own unique type of B2P + DLC. Each DLC that has come up to now with the exception of the Shadows of the Hist that didn't add a new area has added significant content to the game: Orsinium + Malestrom Arena, Thieve's Guild + a zone, Dark Brotherhood + a zone, etc. It's their standard, not mine that set the expectations of what an ESO DLC looks like. And the difference between Morrowind and previous ones is minimal.

    Even a new class in ESO really isn't such a big deal because ESO is a hybrid class/classless design. The warden was a closed beta 5th class that got dropped along the way because it was underperforming compared to the other 4 and was too similar to the Templar - just nature based instead of divine. A lot of us would actually rather have a full classless design in ESO rather than a 5th or 6th one.

    And the battle arenas have always been talked about as an upcoming base game addition. Sticking it here just looks like filler to beef this DLC up into plausible expansion territory.

    I fully expected that ESO would have an expansion sooner or later. But I always thought that would be 2 or 3 more zones, 4 or 6 more group dungeons (there are none included with this one oddly enough) ++. This is just too thin to be called one, again, judging by the standards they set themselves.

    but will the cash from this fund the DLC's for those more zones and dungeons?
  • DistopiaDistopia Member EpicPosts: 21,182
    Iselin said:

    My bad then, still I doubt the price will be an issue for most. As I said the price probably has more to do with the new class, and new game modes, hence expansion.  Most expansions lock new classes/modes and stuff like that behind the paywall. Hell in AOC they locked the expansion behind two paywalls for F2P players. Buying the expansion didn't matter at all, you had to sub to use the race and areas. Seems rather par for the course in the industry. 
    As I already said elsewhere, it's hard to compare what ESO calls what with what other games call it because ESO already set their own standard with their own unique type of B2P + DLC. Each DLC that has come up to now with the exception of the Shadows of the Hist that didn't add a new area has added significant content to the game: Orsinium + Malestrom Arena, Thieve's Guild + a zone, Dark Brotherhood + a zone, etc. It's their standard, not mine that set the expectations of what an ESO DLC looks like. And the difference between Morrowind and previous ones is minimal.

    Even a new class in ESO really isn't such a big deal because ESO is a hybrid class/classless design. The warden was a closed beta 5th class that got dropped along the way because it was underperforming compared to the other 4 and was too similar to the Templar - just nature based instead of divine. A lot of us would actually rather have a full classless design in ESO rather than a 5th or 6th one.

    And the battle arenas have always been talked about as an upcoming base game addition. Sticking it here just looks like filler to beef this DLC up into plausible expansion territory.

    I fully expected that ESO would have an expansion sooner or later. But I always thought that would be 2 or 3 more zones, 4 or 6 more group dungeons (there are none included with this one oddly enough) ++. This is just too thin to be called one, again, judging by the standards they set themselves.
    I'd point out, just about every piece of DLC were recycled ideas they had for base game additions. At the rate they put new content out it would seem to me, they had a significant amount of all of this stuff done previously (at least the frame work of it). 

    To me the price and content seems to be the equivalent of a couple DLC's put together, I don't think the base price is too outlandish in that regard as it seems to fall in with the pricing scheme of those dlcs. At least by appearance, who knows at this point whether it's worth it or not? Your expectations are your own though, so what is there to say to that?

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  • IselinIselin Member LegendaryPosts: 14,929
    Horusra said:
    Iselin said:
    Distopia said:
    Iselin said:
    Distopia said:
    DLC or Expansion. Does not really matter what label you put on it. It is new content.
    Dying Light The Following is an expansion of the base game but many just call it DLC.
    I think all this posturing over a label is silly.
    Yeah as long as you can sub to get the new stuff, it's no different to me than anything in the past.
    But you can't lol... that's the whole point of calling it an expansion and not a DLC.
    My bad then, still I doubt the price will be an issue for most. As I said the price probably has more to do with the new class, and new game modes, hence expansion.  Most expansions lock new classes/modes and stuff like that behind the paywall. Hell in AOC they locked the expansion behind two paywalls for F2P players. Buying the expansion didn't matter at all, you had to sub to use the race and areas. Seems rather par for the course in the industry. 
    As I already said elsewhere, it's hard to compare what ESO calls what with what other games call it because ESO already set their own standard with their own unique type of B2P + DLC. Each DLC that has come up to now with the exception of the Shadows of the Hist that didn't add a new area has added significant content to the game: Orsinium + Malestrom Arena, Thieve's Guild + a zone, Dark Brotherhood + a zone, etc. It's their standard, not mine that set the expectations of what an ESO DLC looks like. And the difference between Morrowind and previous ones is minimal.

    Even a new class in ESO really isn't such a big deal because ESO is a hybrid class/classless design. The warden was a closed beta 5th class that got dropped along the way because it was underperforming compared to the other 4 and was too similar to the Templar - just nature based instead of divine. A lot of us would actually rather have a full classless design in ESO rather than a 5th or 6th one.

    And the battle arenas have always been talked about as an upcoming base game addition. Sticking it here just looks like filler to beef this DLC up into plausible expansion territory.

    I fully expected that ESO would have an expansion sooner or later. But I always thought that would be 2 or 3 more zones, 4 or 6 more group dungeons (there are none included with this one oddly enough) ++. This is just too thin to be called one, again, judging by the standards they set themselves.

    but will the cash from this fund the DLC's for those more zones and dungeons?
    Only their accountants know for sure.
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  • TorvalTorval Member LegendaryPosts: 20,631
    laserit said:
    DLC or Expansion. Does not really matter what label you put on it. It is new content.
    Dying Light The Following is an expansion of the base game but many just call it DLC.
    I think all this posturing over a label is silly.
    When you throw ESO's sub model into the picture it becomes a bit more than just a label. It leaves me questioning the value of my ESO sub. Not my problem, I can play without it. I'll save more $ than the price of the expansion by the time its released.

    Zenimax's loss, not mine.
    Why is it bad here but it's okay for WoW or FF14 to do it? Why are people so salty? It's not like in WoW or FF14 that screw you for stopping your rent payment? I only bring those up because people like to refer to those as how it should all work financially, yet they're more expensive and demand a higher minimum buy in.

    It's a landmass and a new class for $40. Suddenly the entire fanbase that feels entitled to have it given to them how they want get all salty. Seems a little childish.

    Xpacs for FF14, for existing users, can cost up to $150. You can get the deluxe upgrade for $60. What other MMO offers a deluxe edition to their players for $60? Most single player AAA titles charge more than that.
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  • IselinIselin Member LegendaryPosts: 14,929
    Distopia said:
    Iselin said:

    My bad then, still I doubt the price will be an issue for most. As I said the price probably has more to do with the new class, and new game modes, hence expansion.  Most expansions lock new classes/modes and stuff like that behind the paywall. Hell in AOC they locked the expansion behind two paywalls for F2P players. Buying the expansion didn't matter at all, you had to sub to use the race and areas. Seems rather par for the course in the industry. 
    As I already said elsewhere, it's hard to compare what ESO calls what with what other games call it because ESO already set their own standard with their own unique type of B2P + DLC. Each DLC that has come up to now with the exception of the Shadows of the Hist that didn't add a new area has added significant content to the game: Orsinium + Malestrom Arena, Thieve's Guild + a zone, Dark Brotherhood + a zone, etc. It's their standard, not mine that set the expectations of what an ESO DLC looks like. And the difference between Morrowind and previous ones is minimal.

    Even a new class in ESO really isn't such a big deal because ESO is a hybrid class/classless design. The warden was a closed beta 5th class that got dropped along the way because it was underperforming compared to the other 4 and was too similar to the Templar - just nature based instead of divine. A lot of us would actually rather have a full classless design in ESO rather than a 5th or 6th one.

    And the battle arenas have always been talked about as an upcoming base game addition. Sticking it here just looks like filler to beef this DLC up into plausible expansion territory.

    I fully expected that ESO would have an expansion sooner or later. But I always thought that would be 2 or 3 more zones, 4 or 6 more group dungeons (there are none included with this one oddly enough) ++. This is just too thin to be called one, again, judging by the standards they set themselves.
    I'd point out, just about every piece of DLC were recycled ideas they had for base game additions. At the rate they put new content out it would seem to me, they had a significant amount of all of this stuff done previously (at least the frame work of it). 

    To me the price and content seems to be the equivalent of a couple DLC's put together, I don't think the base price is too outlandish in that regard as it seems to fall in with the pricing scheme of those dlcs. At least by appearance, who knows at this point whether it's worth it or not? Your expectations are your own though, so what is there to say to that?
    Oh IDK... you could say for example, that once you set up your business model to be about selling DLC and sell a few of those, to call something an expansion, you'd better make sure there's an obvious and clear distinction between them.

    You're seeing an obvious and clear distinction here I gather. I'm not.
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  • TorvalTorval Member LegendaryPosts: 20,631
    The official term they're using is Chapter, because of the whole GW1 thing I mentioned earlier. But yeah, I pre-ordered the CE on Amazon, came to $79.99 with Prime. I can't wait. I hope there's one more DLC between Housing and this though. I get to go see Morrowind in just two weeks.
    I've been on the fence about renewing Prime. I buy enough from Amazon that the discount saves me.

    I couldn't figure out what edition cost $80 until I realized you are referring to the physical collector's edition. Pretty decent deal compared to the cost of other physical collector editions.
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  • IselinIselin Member LegendaryPosts: 14,929
    Torval said:
    laserit said:
    DLC or Expansion. Does not really matter what label you put on it. It is new content.
    Dying Light The Following is an expansion of the base game but many just call it DLC.
    I think all this posturing over a label is silly.
    When you throw ESO's sub model into the picture it becomes a bit more than just a label. It leaves me questioning the value of my ESO sub. Not my problem, I can play without it. I'll save more $ than the price of the expansion by the time its released.

    Zenimax's loss, not mine.
    Why is it bad here but it's okay for WoW or FF14 to do it? Why are people so salty? It's not like in WoW or FF14 that screw you for stopping your rent payment? I only bring those up because people like to refer to those as how it should all work financially, yet they're more expensive and demand a higher minimum buy in.

    It's a landmass and a new class for $40. Suddenly the entire fanbase that feels entitled to have it given to them how they want get all salty. Seems a little childish.

    Xpacs for FF14, for existing users, can cost up to $150. You can get the deluxe upgrade for $60. What other MMO offers a deluxe edition to their players for $60? Most single player AAA titles charge more than that.
    Are FF XIV and WOW in the business of selling DLC? No one forced ESO to set-up the B2P + DLC model. They did that themselves. Once they did it though, they created the onus to go well beyond DLC for Xpacs.

    Or does this look similar in size and scope to you as Burning Crusade or WOTLK did?
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  • DistopiaDistopia Member EpicPosts: 21,182
    Torval said:
    laserit said:
    DLC or Expansion. Does not really matter what label you put on it. It is new content.
    Dying Light The Following is an expansion of the base game but many just call it DLC.
    I think all this posturing over a label is silly.
    When you throw ESO's sub model into the picture it becomes a bit more than just a label. It leaves me questioning the value of my ESO sub. Not my problem, I can play without it. I'll save more $ than the price of the expansion by the time its released.

    Zenimax's loss, not mine.
    Why is it bad here but it's okay for WoW or FF14 to do it? Why are people so salty? It's not like in WoW or FF14 that screw you for stopping your rent payment? I only bring those up because people like to refer to those as how it should all work financially, yet they're more expensive and demand a higher minimum buy in.

    It's a landmass and a new class for $40. Suddenly the entire fanbase that feels entitled to have it given to them how they want get all salty. Seems a little childish.

    Xpacs for FF14, for existing users, can cost up to $150. You can get the deluxe upgrade for $60. What other MMO offers a deluxe edition to their players for $60? Most single player AAA titles charge more than that.
    I interpret that it mostly falls on the lack of subbing options to get it. Up until this point you could just sub and play whatever addition you wanted to. No need to pay extra.. I agree though it's par for the course of what is in most MMORPG expansions, compared to some you seemingly get more here... 

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  • DistopiaDistopia Member EpicPosts: 21,182
    Gorwe said:
    mmrv said:
    Was almost exciting and then you see its just repackaged reused same old content...I mean how many times am I going to fight the mechanical spiders...40 bucks to kill the same old stuff for the same old rewards but in a slightly modified landscape....yawn, these developers just don't get it and can't help but dish out cheap money grabs disguised as "new content".
    Don't forget the obligatory references and screen flashes to popular places / terms(typical marketing trick). What they are doing is just selling a DLC disguised under the "expansion" moniker, so they could sell it to everyone. And using the emotional reactions of...people to get them to purchase. And seeing this thread, it sadly works. Hint: Just because it has a Morrowind skin and a Morrowind name, doesn't have to mean it'll be anywhere close to Morrowind's level. Morrowind impacted gaming forever. This..."expansion" is just a cheap shot targetted at people's nostalgia and emotions in order to sell. Disgusting. Nobody except ESO players will remember it a year after. Morrowind's remembered AND played FIFTEEN YEARS after its launch!
    Do you really think anyone expects this to rival the nostalgia of Morrowind? 

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  • TorvalTorval Member LegendaryPosts: 20,631
    Distopia said:
    Torval said:
    laserit said:
    DLC or Expansion. Does not really matter what label you put on it. It is new content.
    Dying Light The Following is an expansion of the base game but many just call it DLC.
    I think all this posturing over a label is silly.
    When you throw ESO's sub model into the picture it becomes a bit more than just a label. It leaves me questioning the value of my ESO sub. Not my problem, I can play without it. I'll save more $ than the price of the expansion by the time its released.

    Zenimax's loss, not mine.
    Why is it bad here but it's okay for WoW or FF14 to do it? Why are people so salty? It's not like in WoW or FF14 that screw you for stopping your rent payment? I only bring those up because people like to refer to those as how it should all work financially, yet they're more expensive and demand a higher minimum buy in.

    It's a landmass and a new class for $40. Suddenly the entire fanbase that feels entitled to have it given to them how they want get all salty. Seems a little childish.

    Xpacs for FF14, for existing users, can cost up to $150. You can get the deluxe upgrade for $60. What other MMO offers a deluxe edition to their players for $60? Most single player AAA titles charge more than that.
    I interpret that it mostly falls on the lack of subbing options to get it. Up until this point you could just sub and play whatever addition you wanted to. No need to pay extra.. I agree though it's par for the course of what is in most MMORPG expansions, compared to some you seemingly get more here... 
    Turbine has done this in the past with their xpacs post F2P and the ability to buy DLC/QuestPacks with Points. They do it whenever they want an initial hard revenue bump. Credits, or Points in LotRO, don't have a direct monetary value so I can see why they want that.

    I get why some people are all in a rage. They've hoarded Credits with the expectation they will be able to purchase all content that way. It's not happening that way.

    Another thing to note is that I wouldn't expect the sub to cover the xpac area. I would expect it to cover additional DLC within that area, but not without that purchase. This will probably set off all sorts of additional nerd rage when confirmed but also works no different than EQ2, LotRO, or WoW. There is xpac content gated from the sub.

    I have a megaton of Credits (well about 13k) and it would benefit me to be able to purchase with credits. I'm not really bothered by it for two reasons.
     - The game and cost of the xpac isn't very expensive compared some of my other mmos.
     - They offered an upgrade path for existing customers. That was thoughtful (see Heart of Thorns).
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  • IselinIselin Member LegendaryPosts: 14,929
    Torval said:
     - They offered an upgrade path for existing customers. That was thoughtful (see Heart of Thorns).
    They pretty well had to since the Xpac includes the base game and unless another shoe is about to drop, the base game is still not free.
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  • TorvalTorval Member LegendaryPosts: 20,631
    Iselin said:
    Torval said:
     - They offered an upgrade path for existing customers. That was thoughtful (see Heart of Thorns).
    They pretty well had to since the Xpac includes the base game and unless another shoe is about to drop, the base game is still not free.
    Like I said, see ANet and Heart of Thorns. ANet didn't offer price breaks to existing customers at all. The base game became free months later though. There was a pretty decent PR backlash and in hindsight it could have been presented better.
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