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LOTRO - New race, updated character models and summer expansion Mordor

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  • CrusadecrusherCrusadecrusher Member UncommonPosts: 283
    Honestly, what needs to happen is they just need to keep it open long enough for a newer revised version, one with perhaps the UR4 engine, and make it more PvP based.

    I hate cash shops and I'll admit as long as you VIP or buy the necessities it's not too bad as long as you study before purchase.


    BUT......As long as LOTRO has a cash shop it has no chance of being popular again, it's just the nature of the beast.
    Umm almost every single mmo has a cash shop these days including the most popular mmos what are you babbling about? 
  • flizzerflizzer Member RarePosts: 2,443
    Are you sure this is the actual news?   People here at MMORPG "knew" LOTRO was shutting down soon.  Most of the time the prognostications here are so level-headed and reasonable so I suspect this must be referring to another game. 
  • CrusadecrusherCrusadecrusher Member UncommonPosts: 283
    flizzer said:
    Are you sure this is the actual news?   People here at MMORPG "knew" LOTRO was shutting down soon.  Most of the time the prognostications here are so level-headed and reasonable so I suspect this must be referring to another game. 
    Yeah these are the same guys who at least once a week need to post a thread about the doom and gloom of the mmorpg genre...they are so knowledgeable about a genre that has passed them by...
  • SovrathSovrath Member LegendaryPosts: 30,229
    edited January 2017
    ste2000 said:
    Yes that's great news indeed, I kinda liked LOTRO but for some reasons I never really played it for too long.
    In retrospective I knew I didn't like my characters too much, if I don't care for my characters generally I don't care for the game either.
    I know it sounds a bit shallow, but immersion is a big part of the reason I play Fantasy MMORPGs, and in LOTRO sometimes characters seemed out of place compared with the beautiful scenarios.
    So I am glad they are updating characters and animations, that gives me the chance to give LOTRO a second chance.

    It's not shallow at all and it's exactly how I approach these games.

    I look at it as yet a another axis "of interest" that these game need to have for me to enjoy.
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  • IselinIselin Member LegendaryPosts: 16,415
    I got to say the high elves addition is weird... if you think of them as the Jedis of Middle Earth, this is like the NGE all over again :)

    I thought this was the sort of thing the LOTR license prevented. Guess not.
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  • R_M_BR_M_B Member UncommonPosts: 42
    Reizla said:
    (...)  a lifetime account (yeah sold it off after not having played for at least 2 years).

    Wonder how much a Lifetimne Account could be worth nowadays if there was some one who sell one...

      
    B)
  • CrusadecrusherCrusadecrusher Member UncommonPosts: 283
    Iselin said:
    I got to say the high elves addition is weird... if you think of them as the Jedis of Middle Earth, this is like the NGE all over again :)

    I thought this was the sort of thing the LOTR license prevented. Guess not.
    It's amazing how many mmos have had an NGE to you guys...sorry only a bad game like swg had an NGE no other game has had it no other game will have it...
  • Joseph_KerrJoseph_Kerr Member RarePosts: 1,113
    Going with DBG as a publisher is a terrible idea, if I was interested in reinstalling LotRO that would surely deter me.
  • SovrathSovrath Member LegendaryPosts: 30,229
    Iselin said:
    I got to say the high elves addition is weird... if you think of them as the Jedis of Middle Earth, this is like the NGE all over again :)

    I thought this was the sort of thing the LOTR license prevented. Guess not.
    Well, the whole game is out of whack when it comes to "lore".

    Why are there elves and humans all over the shire? Why are there hobbits and humans running around lothlorien?

    The dwarves shouldn't be in Moria at this point.

    My thought is that "at this point" players need to create reasons in their minds as to they "why this and why that" if they are going to continue to enjoy the game.
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  • TorvalTorval Member LegendaryPosts: 21,580
    Honestly, what needs to happen is they just need to keep it open long enough for a newer revised version, one with perhaps the UR4 engine, and make it more PvP based.
    I hate cash shops and I'll admit as long as you VIP or buy the necessities it's not too bad as long as you study before purchase.

    BUT......As long as LOTRO has a cash shop it has no chance of being popular again, it's just the nature of the beast.
    It was and has been more popular after the F2P conversion than before. They didn't do a server merge and consolidation until last year - nine years after it launched. They actually added servers several years ago.
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  • winghaven1winghaven1 Member RarePosts: 722
    edited January 2017
    Redownloading on steam. Something about the game always captivates me and this right here what they are promising, if it gets delivered properly, will make me stay. I definitely hope I will, as the community in Lotro is hard to compare to any other game.

    Although I'm not a big fan of the High Elf thing. But if it appeals to some people than ehh, more options for them. Personally, I will be leveling a whole new dwarf champion ready to pave his way through orcs with a mighty axe lol.
  • MendelMendel Member EpicPosts: 4,754
    Sovrath said:
    Iselin said:
    I got to say the high elves addition is weird... if you think of them as the Jedis of Middle Earth, this is like the NGE all over again :)

    I thought this was the sort of thing the LOTR license prevented. Guess not.
    Well, the whole game is out of whack when it comes to "lore".

    Why are there elves and humans all over the shire? Why are there hobbits and humans running around lothlorien?

    The dwarves shouldn't be in Moria at this point.

    My thought is that "at this point" players need to create reasons in their minds as to they "why this and why that" if they are going to continue to enjoy the game.
    If the game were picky about lore, why would anyone even want to go in Moria?  Rohan can't be that far away, or maybe a journey north to cut across the mountains and come down the Great River.... past Dol Guldur?!!?!??  On second thought, Middle Earth seems a lot like Atlanta -- there's not many good east-west routes.

    If anything, I'd think that SSG might beneath the notice of the great eye of the Tolkien Estate.  Because, this is just the kind of mangling of lore that the Tolkien Estate's lawyers have been against over the years.

    Logic, my dear, merely enables one to be wrong with great authority.

  • ChristopherVoidChristopherVoid Member UncommonPosts: 4
    @Mendel Having read most of the books and seen the movies in full at least twice i have to say i agree with you on the flimsy reasoning of the current lore although at this point an overhaul of the lore might be a bit useless due to falling popularity anyway. So unless some major change in public interest happens i would just let it go its current course until it reaches the end of its road.
  • IselinIselin Member LegendaryPosts: 16,415
    Iselin said:
    I got to say the high elves addition is weird... if you think of them as the Jedis of Middle Earth, this is like the NGE all over again :)

    I thought this was the sort of thing the LOTR license prevented. Guess not.
    It's amazing how many mmos have had an NGE to you guys...sorry only a bad game like swg had an NGE no other game has had it no other game will have it...
    If you're literal-minded, no thing is like any other thing.
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  • TorvalTorval Member LegendaryPosts: 21,580
    Sovrath said:
    Iselin said:
    I got to say the high elves addition is weird... if you think of them as the Jedis of Middle Earth, this is like the NGE all over again :)

    I thought this was the sort of thing the LOTR license prevented. Guess not.
    Well, the whole game is out of whack when it comes to "lore".

    Why are there elves and humans all over the shire? Why are there hobbits and humans running around lothlorien?

    The dwarves shouldn't be in Moria at this point.

    My thought is that "at this point" players need to create reasons in their minds as to they "why this and why that" if they are going to continue to enjoy the game.
    Some people want a very literal translation of the literature to visual media. They've had a hard time with most of those, although they seem very willing to forgive the elves in Bree and large raids of adventuring hobbits, but some things like this trigger them.

    Different media delivers different experiences. I don't want the books in 3D. It's the same way I felt about the movies. They were fine and delivered the experience. In the game world I want to explore all those things Middle-earth. I don't mind that the two don't match exactly just like I don't mind SWTOR/KOTOR not matching all the lore of the movies exactly. I get Star Wars and it's fun.

    Your last paragraph sums it up very well. I try not to look for inconsistencies in the first place or dwell on them. But after that, when I'm playing the game, I think of the books as a very focused look at a bigger world. I'll not be reading the entire series again. I've read through it about 3 times now and don't see a reason to do so again. So it's easy to focus on the game and what makes it a fun unique social experience.
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  • TorvalTorval Member LegendaryPosts: 21,580
    Iselin said:
    Iselin said:
    I got to say the high elves addition is weird... if you think of them as the Jedis of Middle Earth, this is like the NGE all over again :)

    I thought this was the sort of thing the LOTR license prevented. Guess not.
    It's amazing how many mmos have had an NGE to you guys...sorry only a bad game like swg had an NGE no other game has had it no other game will have it...
    If you're literal-minded, no thing is like any other thing.
     It's not like the NGE at all. They won't be a super op compared to other classes and races. Beorning would be the same way but they're not. With LotRO it's more like everyone is the super powerful, brave, noble version of their race and class.

    Characters in LotRO don't die. They have a morale pool and get defeated when it's depleted. This device is used to sometimes buff characters or explain how they can face other more powerful enemies. It's used to explain how allies and foes retreat from battle but aren't dead. There is no true resurrection. The minstrels and captains inspire their fellows and return their morale so they can rejoin the battle.

    With this in mind the humans, hobbits, elves, and dwarves are essentially of the same mettle. Not all hobbits could have carried the ring but Frodo did. A high elf certainly couldn't handle the task, just ask Galadriel. An Istari couldn't, just ask Mithrandir. So high elves wouldn't need to be more powerful like Jedi were in SWG because no PC is normal in LotRO.

    The reason high elves will be powerful is because SSG will want to sell whatever they're packaged in. I'm okay with that too.
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  • CrusadecrusherCrusadecrusher Member UncommonPosts: 283
    Iselin said:
    Iselin said:
    I got to say the high elves addition is weird... if you think of them as the Jedis of Middle Earth, this is like the NGE all over again :)

    I thought this was the sort of thing the LOTR license prevented. Guess not.
    It's amazing how many mmos have had an NGE to you guys...sorry only a bad game like swg had an NGE no other game has had it no other game will have it...
    If you're literal-minded, no thing is like any other thing.
    The point is every game that someone doesn't like or play and has an update they don't like or agree with they always resort to calling it an "NGE".  To date they have never been correct except for swg...
  • SavageHorizonSavageHorizon Member RarePosts: 3,455
    And where are all the "Lotro will be shuting down this year"  arm chair devs are comical. 




  • OzmodanOzmodan Member EpicPosts: 9,726
    Don't know why people are so upset by lore.   MMO's that try to stick blindly to lore just die because they are far too inflexible.  I think the Lotro devs have been very concious of the lore and have done a great job trying to keep at least close to it.

    You have to remember despite all the lore Tolkien developed, it was only a tiny glimpse into the Lotro world.
  • winghaven1winghaven1 Member RarePosts: 722
    Ozmodan said:
    Don't know why people are so upset by lore.   MMO's that try to stick blindly to lore just die because they are far too inflexible.  I think the Lotro devs have been very concious of the lore and have done a great job trying to keep at least close to it.

    You have to remember despite all the lore Tolkien developed, it was only a tiny glimpse into the Lotro world.

    All the High Elves in Bree be like 



    When everyday peeps be trying to drink some beer 


  • gervaise1gervaise1 Member EpicPosts: 6,919
    Positive news. Not surprised though as they clearly hope to get some "traction" as a "new" company.
  • IselinIselin Member LegendaryPosts: 16,415
    Torval said:
    Iselin said:
    Iselin said:
    I got to say the high elves addition is weird... if you think of them as the Jedis of Middle Earth, this is like the NGE all over again :)

    I thought this was the sort of thing the LOTR license prevented. Guess not.
    It's amazing how many mmos have had an NGE to you guys...sorry only a bad game like swg had an NGE no other game has had it no other game will have it...
    If you're literal-minded, no thing is like any other thing.
     It's not like the NGE at all. They won't be a super op compared to other classes and races. Beorning would be the same way but they're not. With LotRO it's more like everyone is the super powerful, brave, noble version of their race and class.

    Characters in LotRO don't die. They have a morale pool and get defeated when it's depleted. This device is used to sometimes buff characters or explain how they can face other more powerful enemies. It's used to explain how allies and foes retreat from battle but aren't dead. There is no true resurrection. The minstrels and captains inspire their fellows and return their morale so they can rejoin the battle.

    With this in mind the humans, hobbits, elves, and dwarves are essentially of the same mettle. Not all hobbits could have carried the ring but Frodo did. A high elf certainly couldn't handle the task, just ask Galadriel. An Istari couldn't, just ask Mithrandir. So high elves wouldn't need to be more powerful like Jedi were in SWG because no PC is normal in LotRO.

    The reason high elves will be powerful is because SSG will want to sell whatever they're packaged in. I'm okay with that too.
    Maybe I should have said jumping the shark again instead of NGE lol.

    I played LOTRO for the better part of 2 years when it released so I'm very well acquainted with the game and the pains Turbine took in the early days to be consistent not just with the lore but with the time frame.

    There WERE some concessions to playability of course but they tried very hard to keep things in line (Loremasters throwing burning embers even if they looked an awful lot like D&D fire darts, for example.)

    But beginning with the Rune-keeper and Moria that all started to change. I guess the moral of the story is that once you start jumping sharks you might as well keep going and jump a few more. 
    "Social media gives legions of idiots the right to speak when they once only spoke at a bar after a glass of wine, without harming the community ... but now they have the same right to speak as a Nobel Prize winner. It's the invasion of the idiots”

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  • TorvalTorval Member LegendaryPosts: 21,580
    Deviating from the literary lore is not the same as "jumping the shark", which is just another metaphor for the NGE which was about the same thing. If that's the lens you want to view it through then go for it. It's not much different than what SWTOR has done or ESO has done with that IP. It works for fans of those games and that's what really matters.
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  • IselinIselin Member LegendaryPosts: 16,415
    Torval said:
    Deviating from the literary lore is not the same as "jumping the shark", which is just another metaphor for the NGE which was about the same thing. If that's the lens you want to view it through then go for it. It's not much different than what SWTOR has done or ESO has done with that IP. It works for fans of those games and that's what really matters.
    Yeah? How does SWTOR or ESO do that? SWTOR takes place in a completely different time frame from the original source, the movies. ESO does the same thing compared to the original single player source material. And in both cases in world abilities classes and races are totally consistent.

    If ESO had added Dwemers with shotguns you'd have a point but setting the game in a somewhat obscure past time is not anywhere near the kind of shenanigans LOTRO is up to.

    Rune-keepers added magic to a system that had previously taken great pains to not do that because that was the way it was at the time the books, movie and MMO take place. If they had set the MMO 1.000 years earlier then yeah, whatever... go crazy with what things were like then.

    Jumping the shark for shit and giggles was exactly what they did with the RK.
    "Social media gives legions of idiots the right to speak when they once only spoke at a bar after a glass of wine, without harming the community ... but now they have the same right to speak as a Nobel Prize winner. It's the invasion of the idiots”

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    “Microtransactions? In a single player role-playing game? Are you nuts?” 
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  • TorvalTorval Member LegendaryPosts: 21,580
    3 faction RvR and Cyrodiil but everywhere else we love each other? Even before One Tam the RvR was ridiculous, but very well done and it works. Or how about the ridiculous guild system? If that isn't an mmo shark jumping gimmick to promote "social" and hide performance problems then nothing is.

    Jedi mass murdering enemies and the entire Jedi presence in SWTOR is not what Jedi are about. Jedis are fun in TOR and their social structure works.

    Or how about Star Trek Online with how the federation goes in everywhere guns blazing. At least Star Trek has the presence to acknowledge alternate universes to explain away the differences different interpretations offer.

    For some people those leaps don't work. For me they do because they're consistent within the game itself.

    By the way the RK was added because the game needed another primary healer. Prior to that secondary damage roles were added to all the non-primary dps classes which made them more flexible but left one class to handle healing. The RK fit in with the theme of Moria when the class was added so it made sense. Besides how can you call adding the RK jumping the shark but not entering Moria period. Except Turbine made up good reasons for both. RKs made the game more fun without making it feel less like Middle-earth, or not any more of a detraction than any other compromise.
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