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How Skyrim Sold Me On Elder Scrolls Online - The RPG Files at MMORPG.com

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  • AmjocoAmjoco Member UncommonPosts: 4,858
    Before the game released I studied the lore by watching youtube videos and reading hours of information. I wasn't naive enough to think the mmo would be anywhere near as in-depth as the single player games, but I was sorely upset that it came nowhere even close. I played a few weeks and occasionally go back, but its pretty much the same thing with way less content than other titles offer for a subscription. 
    I wanted to find something new in a cave, or a hidden treasure in a crack behind a waterfall. There is no real exploring that made the franchise what it is. 
    I love the idea of the game, but it just isn't fun to me.

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  • TimEisenTimEisen ColumnistMember EpicPosts: 3,293

    Wizardry said:

    Funny ..or not so funny is that Skyrim is a game that left my gut with a sinking feeling.

    What i saw was not a great game,definitely not worth buying a console just for that game but after a couple weeks and was bored i gave in.



    I played for a bit thought ok,graphics over rated ,people don't know what graphics are i guess but i wasn't there for graphics,i was there after hearing all these great things about the game.



    Well to justify buying a new console and the game ,i forced myself for a week to keep playing,that was it, had enough and gave my console and game away.I felt really dumbfounded listening to all the hype,ending up in some small circle where i had to kill a Dragon to move on felt so linear and cheap.What...that gate door won't open until i kill the dragon or what,how lame.

    Imagine if i couldn't get out my front door until i paid the paperboy...yeah just saying...dumb.

    I was unhappy still a year later for wasting my money which i can't remember how much but with the game was likely around 400 bucks for a total of maybe 10 hours game play.



    So Skyrim is the sole reason,i will never buy another console ever again.Now to be a tad bit fair,i do sort of remember hearing talk the PC version was better quality but there were no PC versions in the store at the time.So now when i see all the Nintendo Switch advertising,i laugh and look the other way...no way in hell am i buying a crappy console.




    I had Skyrim for PC and loved it. P4P might be in my top 3 all time games. I still play it once in a while. That said I've had similar experiences with many other games. I find myself thinking, have I simply out grown games? I see games blow up and people fawn over them, then I try them and all I can think about is how far behind I think gaming is compared to where it was 10, 15, 20 years ago. It seems like all of gaming should be further along by now but instead most games seem to...I dunno, unevolved or even devolved.
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  • ThebeastttThebeasttt Member RarePosts: 1,130
    Honestly this article is way off base. TESO is so vastly inferior, that playing Skyrim beforehand will only set you up for disappointment, as countless fans have expressed.
  • TheScavengerTheScavenger Member EpicPosts: 3,321
    This is heresy in some parts of the internet.

    But, I thought the scripted AI, the quests, the dungeons, the RPG aspects of Oblivion were all vastly superior to Skyrim

    Also, they spouted off "custom dungeons in Skyrim! HAND MADE!"...but each dungeon/interior looked like a clone of the other, with some differences. Oblivion was all pre-made dungeons made by a program or something, but they had more flavor, were larger and more open than any Skyrim dungeon I went into.

    Their hand made dungeons in Skyrim were vastly worse than the computer generated ones in Oblivion

    However, Skyrim with a ton of mods added is amazing and easier to mod than Oblivion. Oblivion was so annoying to mod I never want to do it again. But, speaking of vanilla vs vanilla, Oblivion is far superior than Skyrim.

    Morrowind was amazing, but then I got a no fog mod or maybe it was a console command, and it forever ruined Morrowind for me by how small it was lol.

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  • IselinIselin Member LegendaryPosts: 12,905
    I'm so tired of Skyrim that those regions of ESO are by far my least favorites. Maybe it's the half-wit drunken Nords that all sound like extras from the movie Fargo.

    Rumor has it that the next SP ES game will take place in Valenwood. Wood elf lore and the forest setting... now, that's something to look forward to.
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  • TorvalTorval Member LegendaryPosts: 19,660
    Iselin said:
    I'm so tired of Skyrim that those regions of ESO are by far my least favorites. Maybe it's the half-wit drunken Nords that all sound like extras from the movie Fargo.

    Rumor has it that the next SP ES game will take place in Valenwood. Wood elf lore and the forest setting... now, that's something to look forward to.
    I normally play nordic themed races or areas, but not so much in ESO. I have a Nord but he's also working for her royal hotness. All of mine do. Who could even resist?
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  • LadyLindaLadyLinda Member CommonPosts: 1
    Played and finished Skyrim, loved it. Then ESO came out, and after some reservations absolutely LOVED it, best game ever. Then Skyrim v Elder Scrolls came out......can't stop playing it! Went back to ESO when new DLC and special event quests came out, but can't get back into it! I find the other players can be annoying. Plus, the updated graphics and atmosphere of the new Skyrim are brilliant, the quests feel fresh, and I'm so happy that I still have hours and hours of gameplay left as I LOVE the game!
  • jmcdermottukjmcdermottuk Member RarePosts: 1,567
    I wanted to love ESO, no doubt about it, but it's just so, "crap" is the word I want to use but that's probably unfair. Let's just say if fails to hold my attention.

    Skyrim, on the other hand, I still enjoy playing.
  • TimEisenTimEisen ColumnistMember EpicPosts: 3,293
    I always imagined Skyrim online would be more like UO than a theme park. The PVP made me more open to it but in the end it fell flat as well.
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  • sumdumguy1sumdumguy1 Member RarePosts: 1,282


    Honestly this article is way off base. TESO is so vastly inferior, that playing Skyrim beforehand will only set you up for disappointment, as countless fans have expressed.



    Absolutely Agree
  • ste2000ste2000 Member EpicPosts: 6,194
    Skyrim is what put me off ESO in the first place.
    It took me years to get over the fact ESO wasn't Skyrim Online.
    Finally I can enjoy ESO for what it is, a decent MMO which is never going to be as good as Skyrim, but it is fun enough.

  • GorweGorwe Member EpicPosts: 6,091
    ...but what if you don't care about Skyrim?
  • GorweGorwe Member EpicPosts: 6,091
    edited January 2017

    Torval said:

    The new remastered Skyrim looks really good. I was surprised at how well that was done. My son is playing remastered on PS4 and he's having as good a time as his modded Steam version.

    That said, every single time I play Skyrim I end up doing some short deed and logging into ESO. With the way it's grown and progressed ESO is a better game in every possible way.

    Skyrim questing feels so on rails. The werewolf quest chain is a good example. Don't want to become a werewolf then your time with them has ended even though you've been through thick and thin with them. Suddenly they have nothing else to say and the narrative at that corner of the world dies. It's no more permissive than ESO to me.

    Skyrim feels empty. That sort of feeling I remember getting when going over to my grandparents as a kid, to take care of the house, when they were away. It just felt empty like all the reasons you enjoy visiting are missing - the people. The rest is just window dressing.

    Combat in ESO is so much better for me. It feels tight and interactive. Skyrim combat feels clunky like they wanted the flexibility of turn based decision making in an action system. It's one of the most immersion breaking combat systems I've ever played. The constant pause and menu surfing drives me crazy. Yeah, I'm going to eat a full meal between turns to regen. Lame.

    ESO looks better. The character models. The world. Everything. I don't play with Skyrim mods really because I want the play the game the creators made, not some hobby project by modders. If I just wanted single player eye candy I can get it in other titles without having to deal with modders.



    Also, don't think that "other people = magic" works for everyone. Nearly 50% of people would disagree with you.
  • TintagilTintagil Member UncommonPosts: 213
    Iselin said:
    I'm so tired of Skyrim that those regions of ESO are by far my least favorites. Maybe it's the half-wit drunken Nords that all sound like extras from the movie Fargo.

    Rumor has it that the next SP ES game will take place in Valenwood. Wood elf lore and the forest setting... now, that's something to look forward to.
    That would make my day. The strong sense of wanderlust that the Elders Scrolls games fill me with is unparalleled by any other gaming experience I've had... I would be nice to feel that again some day soon.
  • DenambrenDenambren Member UncommonPosts: 394
    LOL!

    "ESO is now more interesting than Skyrim to me, because I've played Skyrim since 2011 and am getting bored of it in 2016."

    HAHA

    Thanks for the laugh. This piece of analytic journalism has concluded that a single player game played for a thousand hours can eventually start to feel less interesting than it did initially. Well done.
  • ArskaaaArskaaa Member RarePosts: 1,253
    ESO is mess, they should done new SP elder scroll with modding.
  • TENTINGTENTING Member UncommonPosts: 262
    Played Skyrim, but did not last long, cause I prefer that the characters around me are actual people, than NPCs.

     In fact ever since I picked up my very first MMORPG, singleplayer games have been impossible for me to get engaged in.
     
    And ESO.
    ESO is that game I flirt with, that gets me all moist, while my old and wrinkled WoW just, well does what ever. But I cant chose between the two, cause old and known is good too and I stay faithful despite the signs of extreme decay and weirdness. 

     But ESO, man, ESO makes love to my eyes all the time.  I deeply desire it, want it, its... precious...
     I ... cant... resist.. it.
     
       
  • PhryPhry Member LegendaryPosts: 11,004
    Gorwe said:
    ...but what if you don't care about Skyrim?
    Won't affect how you feel about ESO honestly, as the two games could not be more different, if anything it helps if you go into ESO not expecting it to be like Skyrim, that way you are less likely to be disappointed, ESO is not a bad game, but its not Skyrim, its not like any other Elder Scrolls game really, in much the same way that league of legends is not like world of warcraft, your more likely to enjoy the one, if you are not expecting it to be like the other. :o
  • MirandelMirandel Member UncommonPosts: 143
    So, basically, you are saying that un-modded Skyrim looks so bad (even after remastering!) that you prefer ESO over it (even though visually it's far-far away from perfection).
    And for a story driven game like ESO phrase "And some of the storylines are really good!" is not a complement either.
  • Stuka1000Stuka1000 Member UncommonPosts: 955
    I play ESO but I hate the guild system with a passion. It does nothing for guild loyalty ( exactly the opposite in fact ) and does nothing for those Skyrim players that want to experience the solo side of the game. If you are not in a trade guild then you are only playing half a game really. There are a wealth of players out there that Zenimax are missing out on because they continue to force people into this system and imo will miss out on those potential players until they implement a global AH which they should have included with One Tamriel. Either that or fix the group mechanics that still suck.
  • SunscourSunscour Member UncommonPosts: 186
    I do enjoy playing ESO, loved Skyrim and would marry Oblivion if I could.....

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  • Darkonflare15Darkonflare15 Member UncommonPosts: 13

    Stuka1000 said:

    I play ESO but I hate the guild system with a passion. It does nothing for guild loyalty ( exactly the opposite in fact ) and does nothing for those Skyrim players that want to experience the solo side of the game. If you are not in a trade guild then you are only playing half a game really. There are a wealth of players out there that Zenimax are missing out on because they continue to force people into this system and imo will miss out on those potential players until they implement a global AH which they should have included with One Tamriel. Either that or fix the group mechanics that still suck.



    You can make money without selling in the guild stores. It pretty easy to get a lot gold from just playing the game.
  • JDis25JDis25 Member RarePosts: 1,350
    edited January 2017


    ESO feels like an empty husk of a world. Yeah it seems busy with all the people running around and whatnot. The game is still extremely bland. The world is depressing, and everything revolves around combat.



    It never grabs me like the true ES games, where you can just wander and stumble upon treasures or traps, and meet interesting characters.



    Bland compared to what MMO because literally if you go by just "assets" ESO has poured tons of money into designing artwork and the zones themselves. Every zone has unique looking flora, architecture, creatures, and this includes inside all the dungeons/buildings. If I go underground in a desert zone, it looks like I am in a desert cave, or an egyptian tomb killing desert monsters, if I am in Skyrim, it's a Draugr crypt or an ice cave with polar bears. If I am in a jungle, there is vines, palm trees, mushrooms, aztec looking architecture. There is seriously the least amount of recycled content, models, and assets in ESO than any MMO i've played. There is also a justice system, and a complete skill line for thieving, laundering, and pickpocketing. Guild DLC which changes the gameplay of your character by teaching you new abilities and skill-lines such as one hit kill assassinations. SO much better seeing improvements like this, then "MORE DUNGEONS!" "MORE RAIDS!" Same stuff, different day.
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  • someforumguysomeforumguy Member RarePosts: 4,030
    I agree with the article. The writer described perfectly why I didn't like ESO when it launched. And after One Tamriel it changed so much for the better. We are having a lot of fun with ESO atm. My friends were a bit overwhelmed at first by the whole concept of go wherever you want to go, but now they love it.
  • IselinIselin Member LegendaryPosts: 12,905
    Stuka1000 said:
    I play ESO but I hate the guild system with a passion. It does nothing for guild loyalty ( exactly the opposite in fact ) and does nothing for those Skyrim players that want to experience the solo side of the game. If you are not in a trade guild then you are only playing half a game really. There are a wealth of players out there that Zenimax are missing out on because they continue to force people into this system and imo will miss out on those potential players until they implement a global AH which they should have included with One Tamriel. Either that or fix the group mechanics that still suck.
    I agree. ESO has morphed the guild concept into something different and not in a good way. The millions of gold needed to have a chance at securing a stall in a good, high traffic area, the resulting need to ask for weekly contributions from members, and the total focus on trading make it so it's more of an accident than the norm when guild mates from those trading guilds do anything guild-like together.

    Add the fact that you can belong to 5 guilds at once and any semblance of the original purpose of guilds as tight groups of friends that play together goes out the window.

    I guess the technical problems associated with having an AH in a megaserver game forced them to go a different way. But the impact of that decision on the concept of guilds has been pretty bad. It's something that definitely could be improved.
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