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How would you rate Rogue One?

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  • cameltosiscameltosis Member EpicPosts: 2,586
    filmoret said:
    I have mixed feelings about the film. I'm a big star wars fan and still loved it, but there were significant problems that made the film really jarring. 



    2) CGI / Old Characters

    I understand the need for it, but Tarkin and Leia looked awful as did their voices along with Vadars. 
    I agree that Vader's voice was strange.  But man give Leia a break the woman is like 80 years old and they basically gave her makeup to look like she was 20 again.  Having the original Leia was worth it to me.  They easily could have went with an entirely different person and used CG to make her look like Leia.
    Um, I maybe wrong but I thought that Leia was entirely CGI in Rogue One. No amount of makeup would have taken Carrie Fisher from aged 60 back to age 20. Her body has simply changed too much, as it would for anyone else. 
  • cameltosiscameltosis Member EpicPosts: 2,586
    ApexTKM said:

    To me, in comparison to VII, I'd say this one had better acting / casting and a more gritty feel, but felt less star warsy. 

    My order of preference for the 8 films now stands at:

    1. Return of the Jedi
    2. A New Hope
    3= Force Awakens
    3= Rogue One
    5. Empire Strikes Back
    6. Phantom Menace
    7. Revenge of the Sith
    8. Attack of the Clones

    I know most people say Empire is the best, but honestly I get bored after Hoth. It has a great story line, introduces Yoda, proper training, the bounty hunters etc, but it lacks replayability. Once you've seen the film a few times, the second half of Empire just lets me down every time. 

    "star warsy" This is what people need to get out of their heads imo and open their mind up star wars is about the universe, not exactly what they show you every time in SW 1,2,3,4,5,6,7,clone wars,rebels(imo they should all be called brainwash star wars). What has yet to be seen and written is part of star wars its not always about the sith and jedi anymore its more complex now.

    I'd like to discuss what I mean by the film not feeling "star warsy".

    Star Wars, as a whole, is the galaxy/universe with various stories set within it's expanse. There are near infinite possibilities for stories / films / tv / games but the main things binding it all together are the technologies available (space flight and laser guns) and the civilisations that inhabit the galaxy. These remain relatively constant whilst the presentation is what changes (books/film/tv/games). My mind is open to all the possibilities and I get excited by the potential I see. 


    However, whilst Star Wars as an idea is all about the wider galaxy, the films are much more specific. Every film until this one had a lot of similarities:
    • Very strong good vs evil theme
    • The same music used throughout
    • The force features heavily in all previous films
    • All of them had scrolling text at the start to kick off the movie
    • All the stories focused on small groups of dedicated good guys overcoming the odds
    • All the films include a decent amount of cheesy jokes
    • etc
    The actual presentation differs - 4,5 and 6 used lots of makeup and models resulting in a more realistic / dirty feel whilst 1,2 and 3 used too much CGI, resulting in a squeaky clean galaxy - but the themes remain the same. When you sit down to watch 1,2,3,4,5,6 or 7, as soon as you see those title credits and hear the music, you know you're in for a Star Wars experience. 


    Rogue One departed from that. 

    The force barely entered into it. The music was all wrong. It wasn't clear cut good vs evil, but more focused on Jyn finding her dad. Most cheesy jokes were missing. 

    What I'm saying is it didn't evoke the same feelings and emotions of the previous 7 films. I didn't come out of the cinema thinking "That was a great Star Wars film", I came out thinking "That was a good film set in the Star Wars universe". The thing that made it so jarring was the fact that even though they made big departures from the formula of the previous 7 films, they didn't make a clean break. Whilst all the music was different, it wasn't different enough so instead it just sounded like a bad copy of the proper Star Wars music being played out of tune, or as if someone had mis-remembered it. 



    Again, departing from the feel of the previous 7 star wars films isn't a bad thing, I still really enjoyed the film and rate it highly compared to a lot of the other ones, but it could easily have jumped from the 7 I gave it to a 9 by either sticking to the star wars film formula (title credits, music, bit more cheesy, more force) or making a cleaner break. 
  • ApexTKMApexTKM Member UncommonPosts: 334
    tbh, I was first introduced to star wars through SWG. I watched all the movies at the time after I gave SWG a go. I felt like SWG explored more and dived more into the lore considering sony was making a complex game at the time. So I'm more likely to be critical of the star wars movies than those who first got into star wars because of those movies. There are just some things I didn't care for in 1,2,3,4,5,6,7. I know I'm most likely the minority but it is what it is I guess I just think they make the star wars universe seem small and shallow by focusing on a small number of characters, not even showing a alot of "extras" in the cast and the story is not complex enough for me. So I'm pretty much one of the most picky star wars fan because I would have wrote the star wars lore differently in some aspects of the original story.

    My wishes:

    - No clear good and evil theme
    - No Scrolling Text/Title Credits
    - Add more complex stories
    - Rename SW 1,2,3,4,5,6, to something like Star Wars Legacy of Anakin Skywalker 1, SWL AS 2, SWL AS 3, SWL AS 4, SWL AS 5, SWL AS 6.
    - Darker Star Wars Stories

    Then instead of episode 7,8,9 they should have introduced a totally different sequential story straying away from the chosen one's children who are not as relevant as the chosen one was imo. My idea instead of 7 is reintroducing the followers of palawa. Before I state my idea I want to give a little background so people understand why etc. The Followers of Palawa got their world destroyed when the jedi and the republic brought their war to their world.

    The Followers of Palawa are martial artists and they all study the force. They end up killing Luke as he attempts to restore the Jedi order and Leia as she attempts to restore the Republic as revenge. Thats just my little draft of what the beginning scene of the movie would look like and more of a flashback, I made it that way because I want a gap in the story between the events of SWL AS 6 and whatever I'd call this movie Return of Palawa or whatever. Enough gap in the story to dive into later down the line.

    Thats a perfect example of no clear good and evil. Regardless if it was intentional or not the jedi code and the sith code are perfect examples to get people to think and be confused over whether or not the jedi are bad or the sith. Make both sides look bad and good.

    When people started speculating Rey's parents and have said what they think that made me realize even more that the universe seems very tiny and narrow especially if people think Rey's parents are known star wars characters. Instead of star wars diving into the unknown I honestly feel like they are still diving into the known. If you know what I mean by that.

    All I've said are just my opinions and ideas. I understand disney wants to go original in all the stuff that they do but I wish they would try to please other groups of the star wars fan base instead of just trying to please the majority every time.
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  • waynejr2waynejr2 Member EpicPosts: 7,768
    ApexTKM said:

    To me, in comparison to VII, I'd say this one had better acting / casting and a more gritty feel, but felt less star warsy. 

    My order of preference for the 8 films now stands at:

    1. Return of the Jedi
    2. A New Hope
    3= Force Awakens
    3= Rogue One
    5. Empire Strikes Back
    6. Phantom Menace
    7. Revenge of the Sith
    8. Attack of the Clones

    I know most people say Empire is the best, but honestly I get bored after Hoth. It has a great story line, introduces Yoda, proper training, the bounty hunters etc, but it lacks replayability. Once you've seen the film a few times, the second half of Empire just lets me down every time. 
    I will always have the post-return of the jedi timeline sequential movies like 7, 8, 9, rated last just because disney took the easy way out and copy and pasted the same story with different names and characters and their style of story telling is outdated its like going back to the first time television movies came out and hollywood now still using the same style from those first tv movies. Eventually your going to have to modernize the story.

    "star warsy" This is what people need to get out of their heads imo and open their mind up star wars is about the universe, not exactly what they show you every time in SW 1,2,3,4,5,6,7,clone wars,rebels(imo they should all be called brainwash star wars). What has yet to be seen and written is part of star wars its not always about the sith and jedi anymore its more complex now.

    There can be alot done with this franchise with their own version of a Law and Order series etc. but they choose not to do it for some reason because they want to continue copy and pasting outdated formulas and afraid of trying something new. I'm a huge star wars fan but not necessarily all of their movies and their old ones, at least some parts of it. Simply because I disagree with the way they are writing the lore. These star wars standalone movies now are a first step at least to start trying something different. Theres different type of star wars fans, the fanbase is somewhat split, its how its always been since the prequels came out etc.

    If you mean open up to all those books they wrote to make a buck off the franchise.  NO THANK YOU.  And if you suggest there are a few gold nuggets in their that doesn't make up for the rest of the dung heap.  The books are for the fan boys who will just buy anything.  Not me.
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  • filmoretfilmoret Member EpicPosts: 4,906
    filmoret said:
    I have mixed feelings about the film. I'm a big star wars fan and still loved it, but there were significant problems that made the film really jarring. 



    2) CGI / Old Characters

    I understand the need for it, but Tarkin and Leia looked awful as did their voices along with Vadars. 
    I agree that Vader's voice was strange.  But man give Leia a break the woman is like 80 years old and they basically gave her makeup to look like she was 20 again.  Having the original Leia was worth it to me.  They easily could have went with an entirely different person and used CG to make her look like Leia.
    Um, I maybe wrong but I thought that Leia was entirely CGI in Rogue One. No amount of makeup would have taken Carrie Fisher from aged 60 back to age 20. Her body has simply changed too much, as it would for anyone else. 
    Now that I looked it up they used a different actress.  IDK why they did such a bad job on the face when all they had to do was the backside and we woulda got the point.
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  • ShinamiShinami Member UncommonPosts: 825
    I rate it high... (8 - 9) 
    Much better than Episode IV 2.0 AKA "The Failure Awakens" 
  • LokeroLokero Member RarePosts: 1,514
    Shinami said:
    I rate it high... (8 - 9) 
    Much better than Episode IV 2.0 AKA "The Failure Awakens" 
    I can't rate it at all.  Episode 7 was such a terribly written movie that I just lost all interest and haven't bothered to pay any attention to Rogue One.

    Maybe I'll check it out on Netflix one day if I've got nothing better to do.  The pure drivel of the last one really just killed any anticipation I had for the Disney franchise rebirth.  I guess I'm not a big enough fan that I'm willing to stick with something after it lets me down.
  • ApexTKMApexTKM Member UncommonPosts: 334
    Shinami said:
    I rate it high... (8 - 9) 
    Much better than Episode IV 2.0 AKA "The Failure Awakens" 
    Yea. Why does it seem like Star Trek loves to explore the unknown and yet star wars wants to explore the known. Yes I understand they are expanding the lore by introducing these other planets but why is it the same formula over and over again. In a lot of cases they are recycling material if I were to get hired by disney to be a writer I would probably get fired shortly after cause they would be upset its not like the original.

    Sorry for the little rant, its just very frustrating to me as a star wars fan to see this star trek show coming out this year, all these marvel shows that have been out, all the DC shows that have been out and no star wars live action tv show. All the new star wars content we get aren't even new in the first place its just copy and paste. It sucks to be a star wars fan lol. At least they are attempting to put out more content for it....I guess?......
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  • HushBlushHushBlush Member UncommonPosts: 37
    i have the cd a month ago but have not yet watched it ahaha.. now, it give me interest to watch it since ive read your post. ill watch it later :wink:

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  • 13thBen13thBen Member UncommonPosts: 120
    I'll rate it 6
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