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Albatroes

Xodic said:

I would love to know what you're talking about, specifically.

Same

postlarval

Xodic said:

I would love to know what you're talking about, specifically.

Albatroes said:

Xodic said:

I would love to know what you're talking about, specifically.

Same

Drugs. Alcohol. ADHD.

Pick one.

Kefo

postlarval said:

Xodic said:

I would love to know what you're talking about, specifically.

Albatroes said:

Xodic said:

I would love to know what you're talking about, specifically.

Same

Drugs. Alcohol. ADHD.

Pick one.

We don't care what the OP is on or has just what they are talking about :awesome:

Buccaneer

I can understand the sentiment OP, but it seems a bit premature.  No one has played the game yet.

I'm sure most posters here understand and are wary of Brad's past and are waiting for concrete evidence that the game will be good before investing.

All I see are posters hoping Brad can pull it off and bring back some of that old school flavour to modern MMO's whilst still retaining a healthy dose of scepticism that Brad will be able to achieve his goals.

kitarad

I won't spend one cent on this game or promote it in any way until I see what he produces and play it because we know his history and I'm sure that is a big obstacle for him to overcome.

postlarval

Kefo said:

postlarval said:

Xodic said:

I would love to know what you're talking about, specifically.

Albatroes said:

Xodic said:

I would love to know what you're talking about, specifically.

Same

Drugs. Alcohol. ADHD.

Pick one.

We don't care what the OP is on or has just what they are talking about :awesome:

The three things I mentioned will probably prevent you from ever finding out...=)

goboygo

Is there anything in particular they are ignoring?  Id love to hear what you think they are doing wrong with their game design.

Kyleran

postlarval said:

Xodic said:

I would love to know what you're talking about, specifically.

Albatroes said:

Xodic said:

I would love to know what you're talking about, specifically.

Same

Drugs. Alcohol. ADHD.

Pick one.

  Nothing constructive of noting most likely.

Joseph_Kerr

What are they ignoring? 

goboygo

Joseph_Kerr said:

What are they ignoring? 

My guess is the OP thinks they are ignoring all the modern MMO convience features.  Dungeon finders, quick travel, not building around a solo play style.  Creating specific classes not jack of all trade classes, etc, etc.

Albatroes

goboygo said:

Joseph_Kerr said:

What are they ignoring? 

My guess is the OP thinks they are ignoring all the modern MMO convience features.  Dungeon finders, quick travel, not building around a solo play style.  Creating specific classes not jack of all trade classes, etc, etc.

Well, they aren't ignoring quick travel. I think how they are doing it is that if you've been to the area before, then you can teleport there or something like that. And if you haven't, then you can have someone teleport you, incase you join a group that is already at a grind spot and they wont have to wait for you to get to them.

Rockard

Kyleran said:

postlarval said:

Xodic said:

I would love to know what you're talking about, specifically.

Albatroes said:

Xodic said:

I would love to know what you're talking about, specifically.

Same

Drugs. Alcohol. ADHD.

Pick one.

  Nothing constructive of noting most likely.

What?
Where am I?

Wizardry

I chose to quit paying attention until they have something playable that i can actually test.
God help them if they think i will pay to test their game,all these other f2p games and cash shop and EA and KS games can take a flying leap off a cliff.

If this game wants my respect,let us actually test it and be ready for feedback.MOST devs/publishers don't do REAL teesting because they have nothing in place for feedback because they really don't want feedback,they only care if you can connect so they can start making money.I HOPE...PRAY this game will be different.

Wizardry

I can say this much,as long i don't see any sign of Smedley i am ok.

Thebeasttt

He probably means the trend around here is for the fanboi's to deflect/deny any issue regarding Brad, the kickstarter or the reality of Vanguard. Pantheon closed it's free forums shortly after the past team got shafted as a feeble attempt to bury their heads in the sand instead of properly addressing the much deserved criticism.

An unfortunate side effect is now the devs are only listening to feedback from players that are extremely bias, which can result in a nonsensical QA/beta where testing and feedback are replaced with excitement and praise.

Dullahan

Thebeasttt said:

He probably means the trend around here is for the fanboi's to deflect/deny any issue regarding Brad, the kickstarter or the reality of Vanguard. Pantheon closed it's free forums shortly after the past team got shafted as a feeble attempt to bury their heads in the sand instead of properly addressing the much deserved criticism.

An unfortunate side effect is now the devs are only listening to feedback from players that are extremely bias, which can result in a nonsensical QA/beta where testing and feedback are replaced with excitement and praise.

Devs read and interact with players in many places outside of the official forum, including here. If you actually spent half as much time reading the official forums as you do talking about it, you'd know the range of opinions there is massive, giving them a broad palette of feedback from which to consider while developing the game.

Official forums have also been private from the get-go. After being briefly open to the public, they were made private again due to unproductive trolling and personal attacks. There are plenty of places to rehash hearsay from former disgruntled Sigil employees or the failings of Vanguard without them trotting it out ceaselessly in a place people gather to discuss Pantheon.

delete5230

Wizardry said:

I chose to quit paying attention until they have something playable that i can actually test.
God help them if they think i will pay to test their game,all these other f2p games and cash shop and EA and KS games can take a flying leap off a cliff.

If this game wants my respect,let us actually test it and be ready for feedback.MOST devs/publishers don't do REAL teesting because they have nothing in place for feedback because they really don't want feedback,they only care if you can connect so they can start making money.I HOPE...PRAY this game will be different.

I could understand your position. 

Last night I was browsing Steam and I came across a kickstarter sci-fi called Project Genom.  Sounds interesting enough.  It's $15.99 and released to the public in VERY crude shape.  Already theirs many Youtube reviews and game play footage.

A large portion of the world is set in this kickstarter.  For now players get to run and gun, that's about it !

My point while watching, I was thinking about Pantheon and the variation of quality kickstarters and mmos can be.  Like, Project Genom came out of no where. This gives me the feeling of "what will we really have with Pantheon"......How far along will this game be on release.  Will we wait two more years and only have a Project Genom ?

I understand the predicament Visionary Realms is in.  Their stuck between a rock and a hard place. They need money so they advertise early, yet it leaves a LOT of skepticism.

The only way to stand out is to release a TOTALLY DONE GAME.  

baphamet

Dren_Utogi said:

Just like you did with Vanguard. We all know how that turned out.....
Not learning from past mistakes will plague this development.

i was one of the "vanguard fanboi's" when it was in development, believe me i learned from that mistake. but that doesn't mean i am not casually following this title, i just have zero expectations and hope i get pleasantly surprised.

Dakeru

I don't like the man behind this project and the way he uses ks money for his "medical bills" or anything else he did.

However OP, this is supposed to be a niche game and listening to the broad mass would ruin that idea.

QuarterStack

Thebeasttt said:

He probably means the trend around here is for the fanboi's to deflect/deny any issue regarding Brad, the kickstarter or the reality of Vanguard. Pantheon closed it's free forums shortly after the past team got shafted as a feeble attempt to bury their heads in the sand instead of properly addressing the much deserved criticism.

An unfortunate side effect is now the devs are only listening to feedback from players that are extremely bias, which can result in a nonsensical QA/beta where testing and feedback are replaced with excitement and praise.

Oh I can tell you from spending time in those forums (yes, I've backed it), not everyone in there is extremely bias. Not even close. There are all kinds of opinions represented. There's been many lively debates, bitter disagreements and borderline flame-wars between players with incompatible opinions over the whats, hows and whys of that game. Everything ranging from people basically wanting them to make it a WoW clone to those wanting it to be more harsh than even some of the 1st Gen MMOs.

They're all backing the same game, yes. But they do not all share the same views of where it should go or how it should be.

SavageHorizon

Another pathetic melodramatic thread from an someone who doesn't know what happens on the main forums. 

SavageHorizon

Wizardry said:

I chose to quit paying attention until they have something playable that i can actually test.
God help them if they think i will pay to test their game,all these other f2p games and cash shop and EA and KS games can take a flying leap off a cliff.

If this game wants my respect,let us actually test it and be ready for feedback.MOST devs/publishers don't do REAL teesting because they have nothing in place for feedback because they really don't want feedback,they only care if you can connect so they can start making money.I HOPE...PRAY this game will be different.

And what makes you think they want or need Wizzys respect? Are you that special, dose your opinion mean that much to the devs.

The game will have a free trail so you don't have to lay out a penny. 
 You want to test it before the free trail then invest in it, if you can't bring yourself to do that then wait like everybody else. 

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svann

incomprehensible requirements
1. Dont build on solo play
2. Dont have fast travel.  Instead, make travel interesting.  Have adventures while you are traveling to the area you are going to.  Your group will wait while you solo through the adventures you find on your way.

Dullahan

Dren_Utogi said:

Interact and read until someone gets real and postinga critique of screenshots.  Now I'm unable to post replys to screenshots because someone couldn't handle my critique. The screen shot was rubbish, I pointed out why, an now I can't reply to any screenshot on this website because someone got butt hurt.

I remember when people pointed out things in Vanguard , really basic things like optimization /ban. 3d mesh clipping /ban , poor charcter model animation /ban , exploits /ban. 

Think the ability to post on some screenshots is just bugged. I say this because I was going to make fun of your remarks about the most random, completely subjective critique of a ruin on a snowy hill, but it wouldn't let me do so either.