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  • filmoretfilmoret Member EpicPosts: 4,906
    edited October 2016
    jonp200 said:
    Not using anti-virus software is foolish and no you don't have to pay for it. 

    I strongly recommend password protection; I use Lastpass and additional protection if you are banking online or doing anything that involves that level of sensitive information.  Trusteer is worth installing for that.


    Here's another thought.  Use 2-factor authentication with a game account?  You should.  Using an authenticater or phone/e-mail makes a lot of sense.


    I would agree with you if I actually had proof and not theories about this.  I use the same password for all my games even this website and steam and have never once had anyone log into my accounts.  People usually lose their game accounts because they are dumb enough to use their email password when buying gold or something from shady websites.

    I keep my email password different then anything and my bank password is unique as well.

    Fact is the antivirus software is more of a hassle for me then its worth.  So this foolish person seems to be doing fine without all the crap that antivirus software puts you through.
    Are you onto something or just on something?
  • PhryPhry Member LegendaryPosts: 11,004
    Xodic said:
    zasd said:
     Yea I used to use Anti-Virus also, got 3-4 Viruses... I do not use Anti Virus anymore and I Have been Virus free for 3 years now...

    It reads as if, because you don't have a detection system to tell you when you're infected, then you're not infected. As in, you're as healthy as a horse because a doctor as never said your health was bad, but you've never actually been to a doctor.

    I don't believe it was intentional, but I have to admit I got a good laugh out of the way you structured that sentence.
    It's weird but it's true for me too.  The only time I got viruses was back when I was using anti-virus programs.

    There's a common scam where a trojan infects your computer and directs you to an an "anti-virus program" to get rid of the virus.  My parents actually fell for that one, unfortunately, and paid good money for it.  :(  And they were diligently running their McAfee anti-virus at the time they got it, too.

    I wouldn't be surprised if there was shady stuff going on with many so-called trusted anti-virus programs.

    Along the lines of what flizzer said, it reminds me of people selling bomb shelters in the 50s.  It gives you a sense of security but it doesn't really do anything.  Some are definitely more shady than that, too.

    Don't confuse me not using an anti-virus with believing I'm safe.  It's just that I don't trust this or that program to keep me safe.  I try to not do stupid stuff on the internet- I think that more than anything has resulted in me not getting viruses anymore.

    I think there is credence to the idea that running an anti-virus or a suite of protection programs/tweeks gives you a false sense of security, or at least it did for me.

    All that being said, if I were to use an anti-virus, it would be windows defender.  That was the only one that didn't constantly annoy me trying to prove that it's doing something productive and worth my money (because it's free), and it actually amazingly did seem to do one or two things worthwhile.
    So, the only time you had a virus detected on your system was when you were using an anti-virus program.

  • VesaviusVesavius Member RarePosts: 7,898
    All those programs that do a bad job when you uninstall them leave a lot of junk behind that affects system performance.  I try out a lot of games and programs during a year.

    Something like Revo Uninstaller is great at at removing the left behind junk.
  • Asm0deusAsm0deus Member EpicPosts: 2,946
    edited October 2016
    Personally I would rather use an A/V and deal with occasional false positives than with an actual virus that gets through because I inadvertently visited the wrong site.

    It's kinda like back when I was single I rather put up with using a condom and avoid problems than not using one and then having to deal with extra little buddies hitching a ride because of a one night stand with the wrong lady.

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  • TalonsinTalonsin Member EpicPosts: 3,619
    While I agree more computer users need to learn how the computer works and how to use security settings/programs to keep it in good running condition, I also agree that this site is getting a bit excessive in ads, cookies and other junk. 
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  • AkulasAkulas Member RarePosts: 2,517
    I just delete and overwrite the deleted data so no one knows I had that on my pc.

    This isn't a signature, you just think it is.

  • filmoretfilmoret Member EpicPosts: 4,906
    Asm0deus said:
    Personally I would rather use an A/V and deal with occasional false positives than with an actual virus that gets through because I inadvertently visited the wrong site.

    It's kinda like back when I was single I rather put up with using a condom and avoid problems than not using one and then having to deal with extra little buddies hitching a ride because of a one night stand with the wrong lady.
    The problem is we are saying a virus is some kind of sneaky software that you won't even know is doing anything.  And if you didn't have AV you would never know it is there.  Well that sounds like half the crap windows 10 does anyways.  So if a virus is that harmless then why worry about it?
    Are you onto something or just on something?
  • MaxBaconMaxBacon Member EpicPosts: 6,866
    edited October 2016
    I had notice that MMORPG installs a complexity of cookies that is rather confusing. There's a lot of tracking going on and other scripts ran into the browser.

    Obviously cookies are necessary for the most fundamental things, you can't simply block them otherwise you wouldn't be able to login. But you can with certain tools block some of the most aggressive stuff.

    Overall if you use software like Malwarebytes web protections you shouldn't worry much as they will track all of this and their sources for anything that can be considered malicious.
  • holdenhamletholdenhamlet Member EpicPosts: 3,756
    edited October 2016
    Asm0deus said:
    Personally I would rather use an A/V and deal with occasional false positives than with an actual virus that gets through because I inadvertently visited the wrong site.

    It's kinda like back when I was single I rather put up with using a condom and avoid problems than not using one and then having to deal with extra little buddies hitching a ride because of a one night stand with the wrong lady.
    When I used anti-virus, I got the annoying false positives and the slogging of my system, but I still got viruses.

    Just because you run an anti-virus doesn't mean you won't get a virus.  It's entirely possible that some of them are working with/creators of viruses, too.

    "So, the only time you had a virus detected on your system was when you were using an anti-virus program."

    Har har, but no, I mean the only time I got a virus that affected my computer was when I was using anti-virus programs.  I got some nasty ones, too, that required complete re-installs of windows.

    There are no extra processes running on my computer.  It runs clean as a whistle and faster than yours, since I don't have an anti-virus running in the background, and I don't have to deal with an anti-virus trying to tell me it's worth the money I spent on it every 5 minutes when it checks every single thing, except the one that will actually infect my computer.
  • holdenhamletholdenhamlet Member EpicPosts: 3,756
    Anti-virus programs are basically viruses.  They slog down your system and annoy you with pop-ups. 
  • TorvalTorval Member LegendaryPosts: 19,660
    Anti-virus programs are basically viruses.  They slog down your system and annoy you with pop-ups. 
    2001 called and wants its hardware back. That's not true now unless your hardware is total crap. But don't let facts and the truth stand in the way of more interesting conspiracies.

    Make the Internet Great Again and don't use anti-malware protection. Chinese and Russian botnets thank you.
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  • Octagon7711Octagon7711 Member LegendaryPosts: 8,839
    Anti-virus programs are basically viruses.  They slog down your system and annoy you with pop-ups. 
    Not the good ones.

     Win 10 is just a root kit that uses inking to keylog everything you type and follow everything you do.  Some expert I follow won't even upgrade to it and stick to Win 7.

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  • MaxBaconMaxBacon Member EpicPosts: 6,866
    Torval said:
    Make the Internet Great Again and don't use anti-malware protection. Chinese and Russian botnets thank you.
    They sure do!

    People still think just because they don't see or notice it, what happens on the background is not happening, these days is mostly about data collection, you won't even know it happened.
  • WarlyxWarlyx Member RarePosts: 2,881
    edited October 2016
    woah...is just me or is ghostery not working lately 0 here...and 0 everywhere Oo ? just reinstalled and nothing :(

    guess is working but nothing to track ...when usually i had like 10+ browsing mmorpg.com

    1 on the main page only
  • holdenhamletholdenhamlet Member EpicPosts: 3,756
    Torval said:
    Anti-virus programs are basically viruses.  They slog down your system and annoy you with pop-ups. 
    2001 called and wants its hardware back. That's not true now unless your hardware is total crap. But don't let facts and the truth stand in the way of more interesting conspiracies.

    Make the Internet Great Again and don't use anti-malware protection. Chinese and Russian botnets thank you.
    My hardware is good but that doesn't mean I want unnecessary programs running on it.

    "The facts" and "the truth", eh?  The fact is anti-virus annoys you with pop-ups.  I don't want to deal with them.
      
    If I get a virus, it's not the end of the world.  I've dealt with them in the past.

    And this idea that you're automatically part of a botnet if you don't run anti-virus is 50s fear-mongering.  My computer doesn't behave oddly at all, let alone the fact that anti-virus doesn't guarantee it won't happen to you.
  • k61977k61977 Member RarePosts: 1,240
    edited October 2016
    filmoret said:
    I don't use adblocker or antivirus and my computer is fine.  According to your theories it shouldn't even turn on.
    In today's world not using some form of antivirus especially when there are many good free ones is the definition of idiocy.  All it takes is allowing someone else to use your computer for a couple mins that does something stupid like clicking on a link or opening the wrong page and all the sudden everything you typed or do is sent to someone else.  And a good virus would not slow your system down at all, it just waits for you to send things online and piggy backs the signal so you don't notice the additional bandwidth use as easily and sends all your information to whoever wrote it.  It's bad enough that companies like microsoft and google are doing this legally now, but there are many that also do it illegally.  I wrote a worm in college that could do exactly what I described for a security class while taking a programing class when I was just learning, all it takes is someone with basic skills to ruin your life.  And hopefully it will never happen to you but, if someone does steal all your info and ruins your credit and takes money, expect years upon years to try and get it fix if you can at all.  And the worst part would be it was your own fault for not having personal accountability and securing your system.
  • holdenhamletholdenhamlet Member EpicPosts: 3,756
    edited October 2016
    k61977 said:
    filmoret said:
    I don't use adblocker or antivirus and my computer is fine.  According to your theories it shouldn't even turn on.
    In today's world not using some form of antivirus especially when there are many good free ones is the definition of idiocy.  All it takes is allowing someone else to use your computer for a couple mins that does something stupid like clicking on a link or opening the wrong page and all the sudden everything you typed or do is sent to someone else.  And a good virus would not slow your system down at all, it just waits for you to send things online and piggy backs the signal so you don't notice the additional bandwidth use as easily and sends all your information to whoever wrote it.  It's bad enough that companies like microsoft and google are doing this legally now, but there are many that also do it illegally.  I wrote a worm in college that could do exactly what I described for a security class while taking a programing class when I was just learning, all it takes is someone with basic skills to ruin your life.  And hopefully it will never happen to you but, if someone does steal all your info and ruins your credit and takes money, expect years upon years to try and get it fix if you can at all.  And the worst part would be it was your own fault for not having personal accountability and securing your system.
    So which anti-virus program prevents this from happening 100%.  Please link it so I can use it.

    Whatever it is, the pentagon should use it since they still get hacked.  Stupid pentagon.
  • filmoretfilmoret Member EpicPosts: 4,906
    k61977 said:
    filmoret said:
    I don't use adblocker or antivirus and my computer is fine.  According to your theories it shouldn't even turn on.
    In today's world not using some form of antivirus especially when their are many good free ones is the definition of idiocy.  All it takes is allowing someone else to use your computer for a couple mins that does something stupid like clicking on a link or opening the wrong page and all the sudden everything you typed or do is sent to someone else.  And a good virus would not slow your system down at all, it just waits for you to send things online and piggy backs the signal so you don't notice the additional bandwidth use as easily and sends all your information to whoever wrote it.  It's bad enough that companies like microsoft and google are doing this legally now, but there are many that also do it illegally.  I wrote a worm in college that could do exactly what I described for a security class while taking a programing class when I was just learning, all it takes is someone with basic skills to ruin your life.  And hopefully it will never happen to you but, if someone does steal all your info and ruins your credit and takes money, expect years upon years to try and get it fix if you can at all.  And the worst part would be it was your own fault for not having personal accountability and securing your system.
    Well im doing pretty good for an idiot.  Got 3 computers and no problems.  Noone has messed with my bank accounts or done anything with my passwords or any of my accounts.  Hows this for an idiot?  I write software and call it antivirus.  Then i pretend to be stopping things every once in a while to make you feel like the 40$ you just spent is actually worth it.  So everyone believes I'm helping you and selling a great product when its really a scam and noone knows better.  The best thing is people will zealously defend me and the whole time I'm laughing at the bank because I don't have to use a virus to steal their money, they gave it to me and were happy to do so.
    Are you onto something or just on something?
  • filmoretfilmoret Member EpicPosts: 4,906
    I bet a lot of you spend 100$ on the Y2K software that protected you from that threat too.
    Are you onto something or just on something?
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  • holdenhamletholdenhamlet Member EpicPosts: 3,756
    I can understand how people that run anti-virus stuff are flabbergasted at the idea that someone not running it can possibly be virus free.

    Anti-virus programs make you feel like you're under constant threat from all angles with incessant false-positives.

    I feel bad for them and their crappy oppressive online experience under the hands of their anti-virus overlords promising to protect them.
  • filmoretfilmoret Member EpicPosts: 4,906
    Xodic said:
    filmoret said:
    I would agree about needing antivirus if I ever actually got a virus.  20+ years of surfing the internet and only had like 2 issues and that was my own fault.  So no the antivirus software gets no money from me and no access to my computer.

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    Its cuz I'm hawt and chicks dig me.
    Are you onto something or just on something?
  • flizzerflizzer Member RarePosts: 2,408
    I can understand how people that run anti-virus stuff are flabbergasted at the idea that someone not running it can possibly be virus free.

    Anti-virus programs make you feel like you're under constant threat from all angles with incessant false-positives.

    I feel bad for them and their crappy oppressive online experience under the hands of their anti-virus overlords promising to protect them.
    They have to justify spending money and all the time to "protect" themselves from all the evildoers in the world.  Hey, the internet is not  a completely safe place but if you feel having your antivirus and mega evil doer protection safeware makes you feel safe, sure, go for it.  I'm doing fine without using anything. 

  • k61977k61977 Member RarePosts: 1,240
    filmoret said:
    k61977 said:
    filmoret said:
    I don't use adblocker or antivirus and my computer is fine.  According to your theories it shouldn't even turn on.
    In today's world not using some form of antivirus especially when their are many good free ones is the definition of idiocy.  All it takes is allowing someone else to use your computer for a couple mins that does something stupid like clicking on a link or opening the wrong page and all the sudden everything you typed or do is sent to someone else.  And a good virus would not slow your system down at all, it just waits for you to send things online and piggy backs the signal so you don't notice the additional bandwidth use as easily and sends all your information to whoever wrote it.  It's bad enough that companies like microsoft and google are doing this legally now, but there are many that also do it illegally.  I wrote a worm in college that could do exactly what I described for a security class while taking a programing class when I was just learning, all it takes is someone with basic skills to ruin your life.  And hopefully it will never happen to you but, if someone does steal all your info and ruins your credit and takes money, expect years upon years to try and get it fix if you can at all.  And the worst part would be it was your own fault for not having personal accountability and securing your system.
    Well im doing pretty good for an idiot.  Got 3 computers and no problems.  Noone has messed with my bank accounts or done anything with my passwords or any of my accounts.  Hows this for an idiot?  I write software and call it antivirus.  Then i pretend to be stopping things every once in a while to make you feel like the 40$ you just spent is actually worth it.  So everyone believes I'm helping you and selling a great product when its really a scam and noone knows better.  The best thing is people will zealously defend me and the whole time I'm laughing at the bank because I don't have to use a virus to steal their money, they gave it to me and were happy to do so.
    You got no problems that you know about, how about that.  I don't pay a dime for antivirus myself, I use free ones.  For some reason you think people have to pay for antivirus software, you don't and I know very few people other than major corps that do pay.  There are good ones out there for free.  Like I said it is your choice, a stupid one, but your choice.  A easy example of how to get viruses is to have young children.   If you ever have a child messing around on a PC most likely you would come across a virus as they will open up anything that gets their attention.  Very few people write viruses that has a goal of messing up a computer.  I know some people that actually write them legally for a living personally, but that is another story.  99% of all viruses are spyware, and a good spyware you would never know you had if done right.  But again it is your choice, but you never have a right to say a word if you do ever get one because it is your own fault that you did nothing to prevent it to begin with.
  • holdenhamletholdenhamlet Member EpicPosts: 3,756
    "you never have a right to say a word if you do ever get one because it is your own fault that you did nothing to prevent it to begin with. "

    Eh, OK?  But if you get one, you have to admit that you inconvenienced yourself and decreased the quality of your online experience by using an anti-virus program for years for no reason.
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