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ESO reveals that cosmetic item "gambling boxes" are coming soon.

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  • KyleranKyleran Member LegendaryPosts: 41,537
    This is a really good game and I think if people decide to leave a game like this over something like this it is sad and speaks volumes about the players of the genre. Not liking the game is fine but leaving the game if you do like it because of a loot box is silly in my opinion.
    It's the principal of it, don't ya know.

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  • ApexTKMApexTKM Member UncommonPosts: 334
    I have a question before I put my input on this matter, the cosmetic items you get from those boxes, can  you buy them individually in the cash shop.
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  • IselinIselin Member LegendaryPosts: 17,916
    Torval said:
    Iselin said:
    Torval said:
    Iselin said:
    Torval said:
    sayuu said:
    If they are dead set on RNG boxes then they should look at Path of Exile's implementation of them.

    Have everything in the RNG box eventually come out in the store ( and by that I mean announce the date they will be available in the same announcement of the RNG box) 

    so either pay less and spin the wheel and maybe get what you want now, or wait till its more expensive but a sure thing.
    From what they've said some of what will be in the boxes had already been in the store at some point but are no longer available. I think some people might be worried they will put exclusive motifs in them. The mounts and pets were already exclusive.
    Around 8:35 of the video in my first post "We're also going to add some super rare mounts that you can only get in these." So yeah, they're going there.
    They've already gone there with super rare mounts/pets you can only get in the cash shop for a limited window of time.
    For a known set price... which was what @sayuu was suggesting as the better way POE does it: the loot box chance to get it first for those who want to gamble and the knowing exactly what you're buying, even if you get it later, for those who don't.
    I understand that. ZOS is doing it the reverse way. If you missed out on the limited time sale you can try for a chance at it later. The point is that they already have gone there with locking exclusive cosmetic appearances behind the cash shop. This isn't the first experience with having exclusive stuff in the store.
    Yes I understand that but they're talking about having exclusives to the cash shop loot boxes only which is quite different. They are not only doing the revers of having once limited time items available in the loot boxes, in addition to that, there will be mounts (and maybe more...details still to come) that come from the loot boxes only. That's what he's saying at 8:35 of the video.

    This is specifically what many upset posts in the forums are all about, There are many that dislike the loot boxes in general but there are also those that are OK with the boxes but dislike the fact that some items will be available ONLY through gambling and a solution like what POE does seems like a reasonable compromise for those who just dislike the box-only exclusivity.
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  • IselinIselin Member LegendaryPosts: 17,916
    ApexTKM said:
    I have a question before I put my input on this matter, the cosmetic items you get from those boxes, can  you buy them individually in the cash shop.
    Most yes. But some items (mounts are the only thing that Firor mentioned specifically) will be available in those boxes only.
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  • ApexTKMApexTKM Member UncommonPosts: 334
    Iselin said:
    ApexTKM said:
    I have a question before I put my input on this matter, the cosmetic items you get from those boxes, can  you buy them individually in the cash shop.
    Most yes. But some items (mounts are the only thing that Firor mentioned specifically) will be available in those boxes only.
    rip, I understand how that can be a deal breaker for some.
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  • IselinIselin Member LegendaryPosts: 17,916
    This is a really good game and I think if people decide to leave a game like this over something like this it is sad and speaks volumes about the players of the genre. Not liking the game is fine but leaving the game if you do like it because of a loot box is silly in my opinion.
    I doubt many will. People just heard about it and are venting. Most of it from the perspective of "I thought my game was better than that." If fremium gimmicks are something that bother you, and it does still bother many, some ESO players are there because it was relatively free of those.

    Hell some people left (or at least said in forums they were going) just because of the B2P cash shop, benign as it has been.

    Maybe I'll leave if CU ever launches but this is my only RvR fix. I ain't going anywhere.

    But... gambling boxes are a tacky and sleazy gimmick and ESO apparently isn't "better than that."
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  • laseritlaserit Member LegendaryPosts: 7,591
    This is a really good game and I think if people decide to leave a game like this over something like this it is sad and speaks volumes about the players of the genre. Not liking the game is fine but leaving the game if you do like it because of a loot box is silly in my opinion.
    Your entitled to your opinion Blue

    I'll still dabble with the game, I'm just not going to financially support it anymore. If the game is heading in a direction that I disapprove of... why should I.  I'll buy a dlc if I deem it worthy.

    IMHO they can do with their RNG loot boxes as one does with a suppository.

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  • blueturtle13blueturtle13 Member LegendaryPosts: 13,439
    laserit said:
    This is a really good game and I think if people decide to leave a game like this over something like this it is sad and speaks volumes about the players of the genre. Not liking the game is fine but leaving the game if you do like it because of a loot box is silly in my opinion.
    Your entitled to your opinion Blue

    I'll still dabble with the game, I'm just not going to financially support it anymore. If the game is heading in a direction that I disapprove of... why should I.  I'll buy a dlc if I deem it worthy.

    IMHO they can do with their RNG loot boxes as one does with a suppository.
    I respect that.

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  • BeansnBreadBeansnBread Member EpicPosts: 7,254
    This is a really good game and I think if people decide to leave a game like this over something like this it is sad and speaks volumes about the players of the genre. Not liking the game is fine but leaving the game if you do like it because of a loot box is silly in my opinion.
    I think that it does speak volumes about the playerbase if they leave because something bothers them. It means they have principals and when push comes to shove, they stand by those principals. There really isn't anything inherently bad about that like you suggest. And these people don't owe the game anything. After all, now that this game is using gambling boxes, the payment model is no longer nearly as attractive when compared to many other games.

    If anything, this generalization about how "silly" people are for leaving should be the thing that speaks volumes to people. You are judging them because they no longer want to play a GAME. 
  • k61977k61977 Member EpicPosts: 1,470
    Torval said:
    k61977 said:
    Wonder how long it will take before some parent sues them for promoting gambling because their kid got their credit card and ran up a couple thousand dollars trying to get that one thing.
    We're throwing around the word gambling pretty loosely. There is a huge difference between gambling for money in a casino and playing for entertainment. Someone can run up a credit card through online purchases for anything, it doesn't have to be "gambling".
    Gambling is when you are not guaranteed to win or you don't know the outcome.  Purchasing a digital item without knowing what it is falls under that.  It isn't loosely gambling is it straight up gambling.  I personally don't care one way or another about it.  But morally it is a plot to get the gamers that don't have self control and that will spend hundreds trying to get that one item.  Gambling is an addiction even in video games and can ruin lives pretty fast.
  • Charliff1966Charliff1966 Member UncommonPosts: 25
    One question, are the boxes shop only, or do they drop as loot as well? Thanks in advance.
  • IselinIselin Member LegendaryPosts: 17,916
    One question, are the boxes shop only, or do they drop as loot as well? Thanks in advance.
    Shop only.
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  • Charliff1966Charliff1966 Member UncommonPosts: 25
    Iselin said:
    One question, are the boxes shop only, or do they drop as loot as well? Thanks in advance.
    Shop only.
    Thanks!
  • gervaise1gervaise1 Member EpicPosts: 6,919
    Torval said:
    k61977 said:
    Torval said:
    k61977 said:
    Wonder how long it will take before some parent sues them for promoting gambling because their kid got their credit card and ran up a couple thousand dollars trying to get that one thing.
    We're throwing around the word gambling pretty loosely. There is a huge difference between gambling for money in a casino and playing for entertainment. Someone can run up a credit card through online purchases for anything, it doesn't have to be "gambling".
    Gambling is when you are not guaranteed to win or you don't know the outcome.  Purchasing a digital item without knowing what it is falls under that.  It isn't loosely gambling is it straight up gambling.  I personally don't care one way or another about it.  But morally it is a plot to get the gamers that don't have self control and that will spend hundreds trying to get that one item.  Gambling is an addiction even in video games and can ruin lives pretty fast.
    No, it's not. You may say it does, but that doesn't make it so. For every complicated problem there is a simple answer that is equally wrong as it is simple. That's where your definition falls.

    There is no monetary payout. There is no risk of not winning an item with at least the value of the lootbox purchase.

    Gambling in the broadest sense is when you don't know the outcome, but there is still a huge difference between a monetary or casino payout gambling and and low or no stakes entertainment games of chance.

    If you want to push your absurd definition, then then entire mmo genre is gambling because loot is all behind RNG payouts. You never know what you're going to get. The entire genre is built on the principle of the operant conditioning chamber and randomly generated, unknown, and unpredictable rewards.
    We talk about "the sun" and we all now what we mean. Gambling not the case.

    Regulators in multiple countries now consider RNG boxes to be gambling and have imposed "restrictions" on games with respect to children - but not adults. 

    RNG boxes may not be high stakes poker but the concern is the element of compulsion and the possibility of spending huge sums of money very quickly. And it is still an on-going, hot button issue in the industry.

    Its the "smoking or alcohol are not drugs debate". They clearly are "drugs" but they are not "hard drugs". And in between you have the debate on marijuana. So stuff is legal in some places but not in others.

    In the same way the definition of the word "gambling" is being stretched to try and make it cover multiple situations.  
  • GeezerGamerGeezerGamer Member EpicPosts: 8,852
    edited August 2016
    This is a really good game and I think if people decide to leave a game like this over something like this it is sad and speaks volumes about the players of the genre. Not liking the game is fine but leaving the game if you do like it because of a loot box is silly in my opinion.
    How is someone adhering to their own personal standard "sad"? Why, just because you are OK with it and don't personally agree, it's "sad" for everyone else?  Because I think it "speaks volumes" when people won't stand up and be heard over something they don't like but are expected to pay for.
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  • IselinIselin Member LegendaryPosts: 17,916
    This is a really good game and I think if people decide to leave a game like this over something like this it is sad and speaks volumes about the players of the genre. Not liking the game is fine but leaving the game if you do like it because of a loot box is silly in my opinion.
    How is someone adhering to their own personal standard "sad"? Why, just because you are OK with it and don't personally agree, it's "sad" for everyone else?  Because I think it "speaks volumes" when people won't stand up and be heard over something they don't like but are expected to pay for.
    I can't help but read some real world political ideologies between the lines of a lot of comments whenever MMO pricing models and business practices come up for discussion in these forums.

    There are not as many Nader's Raiders in the world these days for my liking -- and yeah that's political. :)


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  • RealizerRealizer Member RarePosts: 724
    This is a really good game and I think if people decide to leave a game like this over something like this it is sad and speaks volumes about the players of the genre. Not liking the game is fine but leaving the game if you do like it because of a loot box is silly in my opinion.
     After how many ESO players were trash talking the launch of BDO for it only having the cool looking outfits in the cash shop, I'd expect many players to be leaving if they practice what they preach. 
  • GeezerGamerGeezerGamer Member EpicPosts: 8,852
    edited August 2016
    Iselin said:
    This is a really good game and I think if people decide to leave a game like this over something like this it is sad and speaks volumes about the players of the genre. Not liking the game is fine but leaving the game if you do like it because of a loot box is silly in my opinion.
    How is someone adhering to their own personal standard "sad"? Why, just because you are OK with it and don't personally agree, it's "sad" for everyone else?  Because I think it "speaks volumes" when people won't stand up and be heard over something they don't like but are expected to pay for.
    I can't help but read some real world political ideologies between the lines of a lot of comments whenever MMO pricing models and business practices come up for discussion in these forums.

    There are not as many Nader's Raiders in the world these days for my liking -- and yeah that's political. :)


    It boils down to judging someone over something subjective. He likes the game and isn't moved by questionable business. I can respect someone who says, No, This is not for me. Just like I can respect blueturtle's decision to continue playing it because he likes ESO. We should not find it sad or silly when someone makes a decision to play or not based on acceptable business models.

    I play FFXIV. I love mounts. I always enjoy collecting them. But I want to earn it. I want it as a reward for achieving something. There are planety of mounts in the game that were distributed by participarting in limited time events. Getting those are awesome. But then there are mounts you can buy with money. Sure they look good, but they do not make me want them.

    I remember playing WoW and I got my brother to resub. I earned a spectral Gryphon. Yeah, it looked great. But I always had this nagging thought in the back of my head........"Scroll of Resurrection Mount" No, it wasn't a mount I bought. Yes I did actuallt have to earn it....but I earned it outside of WoW. And you can argue reasons all you want. That diminished it's value to me. Others.....no, not so much and that's OK.......for them.
  • IselinIselin Member LegendaryPosts: 17,916

    I play FFXIV. I love mounts. I always enjoy collecting them. But I want to earn it. I want it as a reward for achieving something. There are planety of mounts in the game that were distributed by participarting in limited time events. Getting those are awesome. But then there are mounts you can buy with money. Sure they look good, but they do not make me want them.

    I remember playing WoW and I got my brother to resub. I earned a spectral Gryphon. Yeah, it looked great. But I always had this nagging thought in the back of my head........"Scroll of Resurrection Mount" No, it wasn't a mount I bought. Yes I did actuallt have to earn it....but I earned it outside of WoW. And you can argue reasons all you want. That diminished it's value to me. Others.....no, not so much and that's OK.......for them.
    I agree. That's one of the things I've said many times (perhaps poorly sometimes) that I find more objectionable about cash shops: the more activity there's in them the more they take away from just playing the game and they often trivialize the in-game rewards and achievements. Using your mounts example, the best looking (and in some games those with better abilities) ones are usually cash shop items since they have to enhance their appeal to maximize sales. Without that, you would need to do something playing the game itself to get the best ones. And IMO, that's how it should be: in game rewards for in game activities.

    To me it feels like they insinuate themselves into the game play in minor or major ways. They may be a necessary evil with today's MMO audience but they don't enhance the games - just the opposite. 
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  • rodarinrodarin Member EpicPosts: 2,607
    OK for the people pissing and moaning what it they had a 'guarantee' that if you spent X amount of money on these RNG loot boxes you could pick an item of say 75% of the total you had spent and get it added to your account. Assuming of course you hadnt received anything from the loot boxes deemed 'special'.

    The answers people give will most definitely expose them and what their morality threshold is.
  • NildenNilden Member EpicPosts: 3,581
    Torval said:
    Iselin said:

    I play FFXIV. I love mounts. I always enjoy collecting them. But I want to earn it. I want it as a reward for achieving something. There are planety of mounts in the game that were distributed by participarting in limited time events. Getting those are awesome. But then there are mounts you can buy with money. Sure they look good, but they do not make me want them.

    I remember playing WoW and I got my brother to resub. I earned a spectral Gryphon. Yeah, it looked great. But I always had this nagging thought in the back of my head........"Scroll of Resurrection Mount" No, it wasn't a mount I bought. Yes I did actuallt have to earn it....but I earned it outside of WoW. And you can argue reasons all you want. That diminished it's value to me. Others.....no, not so much and that's OK.......for them.
    I agree. That's one of the things I've said many times (perhaps poorly sometimes) that I find more objectionable about cash shops: the more activity there's in them the more they take away from just playing the game and they often trivialize the in-game rewards and achievements. Using your mounts example, the best looking (and in some games those with better abilities) ones are usually cash shop items since they have to enhance their appeal to maximize sales. Without that, you would need to do something playing the game itself to get the best ones. And IMO, that's how it should be: in game rewards for in game activities.

    To me it feels like they insinuate themselves into the game play in minor or major ways. They may be a necessary evil with today's MMO audience but they don't enhance the games - just the opposite. 
    I like fun loot, progression, and achievements. I also don't care if someone doesn't and wants to buy their look. I don't subscribe to the philosophy that everyone must start out the same, looking like a pauper, and that everything must be a significant achievement.

    If someone wants to create a character persona that rides around on a big cat or wolf with a special look and they are willing to buy that from the shop or broker then that's fine.

    If you two like to do it one way then do it that way. If someone else wants to do a different way let them. I do different things with different characters.

    If your argument is that you want to be able to earn what is exclusive to the shop or the loot boxes then I will hop on board with anyone who wants to ride that train when they're willing to apply that thinking across the board to group, pvp, and raid loot too.
    To some people they are devaluing the actual achievements made in the game buy selling items in the cash shop. I for one want to play the game to earn rewards.

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  • IselinIselin Member LegendaryPosts: 17,916
    Torval said:
    Iselin said:

    I play FFXIV. I love mounts. I always enjoy collecting them. But I want to earn it. I want it as a reward for achieving something. There are planety of mounts in the game that were distributed by participarting in limited time events. Getting those are awesome. But then there are mounts you can buy with money. Sure they look good, but they do not make me want them.

    I remember playing WoW and I got my brother to resub. I earned a spectral Gryphon. Yeah, it looked great. But I always had this nagging thought in the back of my head........"Scroll of Resurrection Mount" No, it wasn't a mount I bought. Yes I did actuallt have to earn it....but I earned it outside of WoW. And you can argue reasons all you want. That diminished it's value to me. Others.....no, not so much and that's OK.......for them.
    I agree. That's one of the things I've said many times (perhaps poorly sometimes) that I find more objectionable about cash shops: the more activity there's in them the more they take away from just playing the game and they often trivialize the in-game rewards and achievements. Using your mounts example, the best looking (and in some games those with better abilities) ones are usually cash shop items since they have to enhance their appeal to maximize sales. Without that, you would need to do something playing the game itself to get the best ones. And IMO, that's how it should be: in game rewards for in game activities.

    To me it feels like they insinuate themselves into the game play in minor or major ways. They may be a necessary evil with today's MMO audience but they don't enhance the games - just the opposite. 
    I like fun loot, progression, and achievements. I also don't care if someone doesn't and wants to buy their look. I don't subscribe to the philosophy that everyone must start out the same, looking like a pauper, and that everything must be a significant achievement.

    If someone wants to create a character persona that rides around on a big cat or wolf with a special look and they are willing to buy that from the shop or broker then that's fine.

    If you two like to do it one way then do it that way. If someone else wants to do a different way let them. I do different things with different characters.

    If your argument is that you want to be able to earn what is exclusive to the shop or the loot boxes then I will hop on board with anyone who wants to ride that train when they're willing to apply that thinking across the board to group, pvp, and raid loot too.
    No that's not what I'm saying. I'm saying that game play and the $ cost for playing the game should be two separate things.

    If part of the game means that I do not get to use some things or see some places or own certain virtual things, I'm perfectly OK with that. I'm fine with some gear being raid exclusives even though I don't raid. I don't want an alternate non-raiding way of getting at it. Same with group or PVP loot.

    It's the mixing in of something (payment) I consider external to the game with the game itself that I find objectionable. This is a recent phenomenon in gaming. It wasn't the case when I played complex strategy board games before computers existed. It wasn't the case with single player computer games in the 80's, 90's or 2000's, and it wasn't the case with Asheron's Call, nor DAoC nor WOW at first. Now even some single player games sell additional game items. Is it because this makes them better games? No. It's just because it makes them extra money and some people will buy them.

    I understand that businesses want to make money and as much of it as they can. But that's neither here nor there with respect to the play of the game itself. The mixing of the paying and the playing was not done for enhanced play reasons it was just simply to make more money. But it has become so insidious and widely accepted that some players have begun to see it as a feature. I'm not one of those players.    


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  • Charliff1966Charliff1966 Member UncommonPosts: 25
    I uninstalled the game today. It's only in the shop but still. I don't accept lockboxes in a game be it loot, be it shop. To bad because the game itself is good. Only the way it's being run I'd not my way.
  • kitaradkitarad Member LegendaryPosts: 7,491
    Torval said:
    Nilden said:
    Torval said:
    Iselin said:

    I play FFXIV. I love mounts. I always enjoy collecting them. But I want to earn it. I want it as a reward for achieving something. There are planety of mounts in the game that were distributed by participarting in limited time events. Getting those are awesome. But then there are mounts you can buy with money. Sure they look good, but they do not make me want them.

    I remember playing WoW and I got my brother to resub. I earned a spectral Gryphon. Yeah, it looked great. But I always had this nagging thought in the back of my head........"Scroll of Resurrection Mount" No, it wasn't a mount I bought. Yes I did actuallt have to earn it....but I earned it outside of WoW. And you can argue reasons all you want. That diminished it's value to me. Others.....no, not so much and that's OK.......for them.
    I agree. That's one of the things I've said many times (perhaps poorly sometimes) that I find more objectionable about cash shops: the more activity there's in them the more they take away from just playing the game and they often trivialize the in-game rewards and achievements. Using your mounts example, the best looking (and in some games those with better abilities) ones are usually cash shop items since they have to enhance their appeal to maximize sales. Without that, you would need to do something playing the game itself to get the best ones. And IMO, that's how it should be: in game rewards for in game activities.

    To me it feels like they insinuate themselves into the game play in minor or major ways. They may be a necessary evil with today's MMO audience but they don't enhance the games - just the opposite. 
    I like fun loot, progression, and achievements. I also don't care if someone doesn't and wants to buy their look. I don't subscribe to the philosophy that everyone must start out the same, looking like a pauper, and that everything must be a significant achievement.

    If someone wants to create a character persona that rides around on a big cat or wolf with a special look and they are willing to buy that from the shop or broker then that's fine.

    If you two like to do it one way then do it that way. If someone else wants to do a different way let them. I do different things with different characters.

    If your argument is that you want to be able to earn what is exclusive to the shop or the loot boxes then I will hop on board with anyone who wants to ride that train when they're willing to apply that thinking across the board to group, pvp, and raid loot too.
    To some people they are devaluing the actual achievements made in the game buy selling items in the cash shop. I for one want to play the game to earn rewards.
    So go play the game to earn rewards. Just don't expect everyone else to want to play your way or value what you value. It's a social game and the 'M' in MMO means massively right? Lot's of people with different perspectives. The more the people the more the diversity of opinion.
    The problem with this is, it not about achievement at all but it's about showing off. People are not just interested in earning something they want to be able to show it off. The only way you can show off is if the item requires work and not money. This is a mind set one cannot deny in MMORPGs but it is essentially a selfish mind set. It's about showing another player that you earned something and it is only through time investment in the game that one can earn it.

    They call it cheapening because it cheapens their time investment. For people who are not bothered with this like me it has no effect at all. Well each person has their barometer I guess. A good game though should really not be judged on these parameters.

  • VorthanionVorthanion Member RarePosts: 2,747
    edited August 2016
    baphamet said:
    i love ESO and have defended it at times but not this time. those gamble boxes are more like scam boxes, they prey off people who get addicting to buying those things because they just have to have that certain shiney.

    i don't care that it's just mount skins, that's bull shit and i'm not okay with that. this is what F2P has done to this genre, F2P is a fucking cancer and brought this type of shit upon the genre.

    i will still play ESO, it's not like it's a game breaker for me, but i'm very disappointed in their choice to add these things.

    It's a game breaker for me.  Rest in peace, Star Trek Online, Dungeons and Dragons Online, Champions Online, Lord of the Rings Online, Rift, Star Wars The Old Republic, Neverwinter Online and now Elder Scrolls Online.  Loot boxes, whether they are RNG or keyed, they remove rewards from the game and put them into the cash shop while removing much of my motivation to play the games in the first place. 


    The way content is designed and the quality of rewards in game invariably diminish once loot boxes are implemented.  It has happened in every game I have played that has them so far.  Heck, once cash shops start selling XP potions and stat boosters and insta teleports...etc, the gameplay suffers in order to entice their purchase.  So, even if I don't buy stuff, my gaming experience is suffering all the same.

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