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  • peanutgalaxypeanutgalaxy Member UncommonPosts: 3
    I'm looking to create a new star citizen website before it launches, how much do you think mmorpg would be sold for?  I already paid $35k for my star citizen ships, so I'm in pretty deep already.  Its not an MMO though, so my feeling is the website wouldn't fit the name very well.
  • BarrikorBarrikor Member UncommonPosts: 369
    pvpirl said:
    something about all of this just echos with falsehood.

    my point in all of this is the rerollers came to warn us, craig did some shady and dishonest things with them and all the while we are getting some shady and dishonest statements and actions here in our home forum.

    i mean, the nose knows and this deal just didnt seem kosher.

    we can bicker on who has greater business knowledge till we're blue in our collective faces but when this forum gets hit by a paywall because they "cant keep the lights on", then we find out about this, it raises some serious questions.

    is craig just rubbing his hands together trying to find out new ways to nickel and dime us?

    also, let us not pretend fires of heaven / rerolled was some run of the mill forum, it is among the oldest and most storied MMO communities in existence.


    Um, no.

    Craig bought a website. It's as simple as that. It happens all the time, all over the internet. No big deal.

    Pardon my language, but everything else is bull$hit speculation and "What If" scenarios. If anything, Craig is real the victim in all of this, and the infantile-yet-elitist community over there just made things worse.
  • vimesehvimeseh Member CommonPosts: 4
    Not really speculation when you take a look at the draconian moderation your forum has. I mean you guys are disallowed from talking religion or politics even in off topic areas. 
  • LanxKaiLanxKai Member CommonPosts: 4
    Barrikor said:
    Um, no.

    Craig bought a website. It's as simple as that. It happens all the time, all over the internet. No big deal.

    Pardon my language, but everything else is bull$hit speculation and "What If" scenarios. If anything, Craig is real the victim in all of this, and the infantile-yet-elitist community over there just made things worse.
    How is Craig a victim? he didn't domestically abused or battered or beaten.

    No, Craig made a business decision. That's it.

    It did not end well for Craig, b/c nothing went to plan for Craig. Craig saw the insane pageviews and most likely years of Google Analytics data, just those logs were probably enough to wet his appetite and open up his wallet, his thinking is that he can "add" rerolled to his network and get ad networks to pay for real estate. At worst, he won't be able to sell ads on rerolled itself, at least he can use the strength of rerolleds traffic to drive up the real estate of the other sites in his network (whatever they are, you guys can fill them in), thereby artificially inflating his ad real estate, he pretty much could not lose out on this deal.

    There is no "victim" here in this business transaction.

    There will be those that will be affected or suffer however, and it'll be you guys. The brunt of this purchase, the folly of it will trickle down this user base, from what I've seen, you're already getting "penny pinching" beggings of white listing this and threats of a pay wall and such. If anything, rerolled is looking out, by providing you guys with info and our currently experience in this whole matter.

    So no, Craig is not a "victim", if you had to label someone as such, it would eventually be you guys.
  • RajereRajere Member UncommonPosts: 2
    To clear up some confusion:

    The first message we saw from the new owner of the site was this:
    Hello all,
    This is Craig McGregor - one of the owners of MMORPG.com.
    We purchased this site a few months back from the previous owners and honestly it was not represented to us very accurately. There was no mention that it was anything other than a "mmo community forum that was centered around an old EQ guild." Had I known what I know now - I never would have purchased it. Our intentions were just to get the page views in our network so that we could include rerolled.org in our banner ad campaigns.
    Note however that we have zero intentions of changing the site, the NSFW areas or the moderation rules. This site will not be related to MMORPG.com in any way other than it is owned by the same company.
    However, if the community flees to another domain/site then we will probably attempt to salvage the site by making it something else. Again, this would only be if traffic falls to near nothing.
    I heard mention from some in here that they would have purchased the site had they known it was for sale. We would probably sell the site now at a loss if anyone is interested in that.
    Thank you,

    And the first non-troll response to Craig was this:

    Draegan sold you a false bill of goods, Craig McGregor.
    He knew full well this community would not stand for having it being sold to someone else with no warning and no input.
    This community is older than MMORPG.com, with a more storied history. 
    We may be few, but we are die hard and we will not be bought and sold for your profits.
    You will do nothing but lose money on this and here's the thing I want to make especially clear for you and your lawyers 
    Draegan had every reason to know this was the case before he sold it.

    We then suggested, had it been cost effective, that he look in to legal recourse for fraud, and we would have supported him going after Draegan.  but since legal actions wouldn't be cost effective, we suggested that he take this loss as lesson on performing proper due diligence before making wanton purchases in the future, we wished him well and we abandoned the site. 

    The reason we did not assume that it would be cost effective is the sites value.  The alexa rankings for our forums put the website at a value of approx 3k.  We assumed that Draegan was just tired of dealing with the hassle of running it for pocket change in ad revenue and thus sold the site for peanuts, we speculated that he sold us out for approx 1-2k.


    With this value in mind, our community extended an olive branch to your owner, offering to purchase the data from the previous forums to help offset his losses.


    At this point we received his counter offer of 7k dollars for forum data, and realized just how badly craig was scammed.  We looked at his counter offer combined with google analytics on page views (what he was really purchasing) and reverse engineered the price he paid to between 18-22k dollars, which we rounded off at 20k  The fact that that number struck a nerve with him and his mod team means it must be very close to home.


    See the thing is, while Craig admitted he initially performed no due diligence and had made a huge mistake in purchasing our site, he continued his failing by not doing any research after the purchase.  He paid 10x over the value for the page views of a now defunct site without any page views.

    In his desperation, he turned into a ransom situation.  He had something which he believed was of value, our forums posts, but he knew his market was made up of one, us.  It only had value to us, and he hoped to alleviate his financial blunder by shifting a portion of his losses on to us.

    The thing is, though, this isn't the first time our community has moved homes, it's not even the 2nd or 3rd time this has happened. This is now the 5th time our community has changed homes: Noows, fohguild, morenetz, rerolled, firesofheaven.   We have lost far more in the past and come out the other side.  This transition was actually the smoothest one yet.

    So here's the thing, and the reason we scoffed at his 7k counter offer:

    1) What he was offering to sell back to us is merely the last 4 years out of nearly 20 years of history together as a community.  

    2) More importantly, most of that history is made up of photoshops of highlighters and tranny pics.

    And then we were directed here to your forums, saw the eye-raping ad-cancer that is your layout and banner ads, your mods begging your members to stop using adblock and noscript, threatening to add paywalls, crying about keeping the lights on, etc, and we put it together.


    So it turns out, your owner paid 20k dollars for the domain name rerolled.org.  We hear he plans on burning it down and then converting it into a completely new site, focused on D&D and other table top gaming (what else to do with a URL rerolled?).  So yeah after he dumps a ton of money and time into it to build a completely new site and community he may eventually be able to turn it into eye-aids and get some ad revenue from it.  Until that time though, expect more Ads here to pay for all of that.









    TLDR: Craig is bad at business, this is evident by the order of magnitude which he overpayed for an instantly-defunct community.  He hoped to recoop some of his losses by holding our forum data ransom, expecting us to pay 7k dollars for some posts, mostly tranny pics and internet arguments between aspies and autists.  

    And that is, at least partially, why you guys are suffering from eye-aids with Ads on your site.









  • lahnmirlahnmir Member LegendaryPosts: 2,952
    pvpirl said:


    also, let us not pretend fires of heaven / rerolled was some run of the mill forum, it is among the oldest and most storied MMO communities in existence.


    I don't get this, at all. Are you impressed by this, do they have some authority now, do we have to give them credit for it? When judging people in a social space like this, ALWAYS judge them by how they behave first, everything else later. This is no business space so credentials don't mean jack. And judging by their behavior I can't blame Draegan getting rid of the bunch. All I see is an alienated, isolated community that has created the perfect echo chamber about 'ultimate freedom of speech'  and 'them evil ads urrrr, me clever eye-aids urrr let me insult urr urr.' A community that has been fondling each other for so long that they all think they are amazing. They are also too poor to pay for anything and rude enough to come over to our home and start acting like asses. Zero sympathy and zero respect is the result.

    Yes, we have ads. yes, there is some moderation and probably more than a few of us would like. But it is OUR home and if you don't like it, please go away. You know what, I've got a better idea. How about we ask Craig for the specific amount of money he paid for your pool of vitriol and bile and then, instead of starting an optional subscription here, we ask for a huge Donate button where OUR community can donate some money for YOUR website so you can get it back and leave this place. I am pretty sure some of us are more then willing to spend some money on that, contrary to the amazing rerolled community.

    I am sorry, I tried to be nice but it seems like nice isn't how some want to be treated so there you go. What goes around and all of that.

    /Cheers,
    Lahnmir
    'the only way he could nail it any better is if he used a cross.'

    Kyleran on yours sincerely 


    But there are many. You can play them entirely solo, and even offline. Also, you are wrong by default.

    Ikcin in response to yours sincerely debating whether or not single-player offline MMOs exist...
  • dotdotdashdotdotdash Member UncommonPosts: 477
    Come now, people. What do you really expect?

    You're talking about an owner/business that claimed to be deploying a new site design to MMORPG.com, taking the site down for around 48 hours, only to end up deploying a slightly altered news post feed. It took them 6 months to set up new forum software, only to end up deploying one of the worst forum implementations of any major community site this side of Curse circa. 2009. The journalistic quality here is fanzine level. They have a far stronger, far more resilient domain than Curse ever has had or ever will have, and yet Curse manage to operate a multi-million dollar gaming network built up from an old guild site. More often than not, it very much appears like the team behind MMORPG.com have absolutely no idea what they are doing.

    This is a site and a business built entirely on the domain, which is probably worth 5 or 10 times more money alone than they actually make from their entire network.
  • dotdotdashdotdotdash Member UncommonPosts: 477
    lahnmir said:
    pvpirl said:


    also, let us not pretend fires of heaven / rerolled was some run of the mill forum, it is among the oldest and most storied MMO communities in existence.



    I am sorry, I tried to be nice but it seems like nice isn't how some want to be treated so there you go. What goes around and all of that.

    /Cheers,
    Lahnmir
    No, you didn't. You never "try to be nice". You often claim you're trying to be nice, but what you say you're doing and what you're actually doing are two very different things.

    And you can't have a go at me for "not being part of "YOUR" community"; I've been here for a long, long time ;)
  • lahnmirlahnmir Member LegendaryPosts: 2,952
    lahnmir said:
    pvpirl said:


    also, let us not pretend fires of heaven / rerolled was some run of the mill forum, it is among the oldest and most storied MMO communities in existence.



    I am sorry, I tried to be nice but it seems like nice isn't how some want to be treated so there you go. What goes around and all of that.

    /Cheers,
    Lahnmir
    No, you didn't. You never "try to be nice". You often claim you're trying to be nice, but what you say you're doing and what you're actually doing are two very different things.

    And you can't have a go at me for "not being part of "YOUR" community"; I've been here for a long, long time ;)
    Then obviously I am not talking about you, that's why I said 'some.' However, I do think you got me mixed up with someone else when you say I am often claiming I am trying to be nice because that really isn't the case, I rarely claim I am nice and definitely not on these forums if at all. I do think though that I have been nicer on this specific thread then quite a few others, mostly rerolled members that are 'new' here. Except for my last post yes, that was not nice at all but that should not be a surprise after seeing how this thread developed.

    Also, mmorpg.com's business sense or lack thereof has nothing to do with how people should behave.

    /Cheers,
    Lahnmir
    'the only way he could nail it any better is if he used a cross.'

    Kyleran on yours sincerely 


    But there are many. You can play them entirely solo, and even offline. Also, you are wrong by default.

    Ikcin in response to yours sincerely debating whether or not single-player offline MMOs exist...
  • dikbutdikbut Member CommonPosts: 11
    Barrikor said:

    Pardon my language, but everything else is bull$hit speculation and "What If" scenarios. If anything, Craig is real the victim in all of this...
    First, you're pardoned. Are you seriously not allowed to say "shit" here? 

    Second, how often do you consider investing thousands of dollars into something without ever having looked at it?
  • bound4hadesbound4hades Member UncommonPosts: 83
    vimeseh said:
    Not really speculation when you take a look at the draconian moderation your forum has. I mean you guys are disallowed from talking religion or politics even in off topic areas. 
    Well to be fair, the moderation at this site started 2010 I think. When I first started coming to this site, anyone and everyone could say anything they wanted. The members of this site wanted the moderation and requested it. While not all of us like it, myself included, it does keep the topics in line and does limit the personal attacks.
  • bound4hadesbound4hades Member UncommonPosts: 83
    Lithose said:
    They feel entitled, like they were owed something. They speak about how they understand business, yet don't understand why they were not consulted. They then did something that so many others can't do, abandon the product. So now the product is worthless, they technically win here, but they are entitled and want there sour little butts kissed. They may be older gamers, but they sure act like little kids.

    You should read the thread. Most of us came here to post in response to someone who was talking about us "understanding business" by taking a "fair offer" on a deal for worthless data. You're right, we are old, many of us own business--we came to educate that person why his ideas of what business is are idiotic.

    You johnny come lately into the thread at the end of it and apparently make up the events that suit your bias. Otherwise, I don't know how you arrived at this.

    Also, we pretty clearly spelled out why we weren't consulted, in fact I gave two hypothetical reasons in my own post (Go read it). We simply said that was a mistake, given the style of community we run, and if Craig had done his due diligence, that would not have been the path he would have chosen most likely--the entire thread was about illustrating how Craig never looked at the product he was dumping money into.

    Again, your posts seem to be making stuff up through extrapolation of the last couple of posts, not the whole thread.
    No point in arguing with you, you see it as you see it and nothing anyone says to you will change a thing. Regardless if its wrapped in a blanket of truth, you can't see 5cm past your nose.
  • dikbutdikbut Member CommonPosts: 11
    Lithose said:
    They feel entitled, like they were owed something. They speak about how they understand business, yet don't understand why they were not consulted. They then did something that so many others can't do, abandon the product. So now the product is worthless, they technically win here, but they are entitled and want there sour little butts kissed. They may be older gamers, but they sure act like little kids.

    You should read the thread. Most of us came here to post in response to someone who was talking about us "understanding business" by taking a "fair offer" on a deal for worthless data. You're right, we are old, many of us own business--we came to educate that person why his ideas of what business is are idiotic.

    You johnny come lately into the thread at the end of it and apparently make up the events that suit your bias. Otherwise, I don't know how you arrived at this.

    Also, we pretty clearly spelled out why we weren't consulted, in fact I gave two hypothetical reasons in my own post (Go read it). We simply said that was a mistake, given the style of community we run, and if Craig had done his due diligence, that would not have been the path he would have chosen most likely--the entire thread was about illustrating how Craig never looked at the product he was dumping money into.

    Again, your posts seem to be making stuff up through extrapolation of the last couple of posts, not the whole thread.
    No point in arguing with you, you see it as you see it and nothing anyone says to you will change a thing. Regardless if its wrapped in a blanket of truth, you can't see 5cm past your nose.
    "I am unable to refute your points."
  • AmatheAmathe Member LegendaryPosts: 6,208
    People can say what they want about mmorpg.com, but how many websites would put up with a 5 page thread ridiculing their business decisions? Why would that be my business as a forum poster here anyway? 

    EQ1, EQ2, SWG, SWTOR, GW, GW2 CoH, CoV, FFXI, WoW, CO, War,TSW and a slew of free trials and beta tests

  • dikbutdikbut Member CommonPosts: 11
    Amathe said:
    Why would that be my business as a forum poster here anyway? 
    When your admins are telling you that adblock is not acceptable because they're having trouble keeping the lights on only to drop $15-20k on an investment with no research beyond website traffic, you might want to consider it your business. If that doesn't bother you, then don't worry about it.
  • AmatheAmathe Member LegendaryPosts: 6,208
    dikbut said:
    When your admins are telling you that adblock is not acceptable because they're having trouble keeping the lights on only to drop $15-20k on an investment with no research beyond website traffic, you might want to consider it your business. If that doesn't bother you, then don't worry about it.
    That doesn't bother me. This site is made available for my enjoyment at no cost to me.  I have been coming here since 2005. I don't care if they invest their money in a Chinchilla farm. And if they do, I don't feel I am owed an explanation for it. 

    EQ1, EQ2, SWG, SWTOR, GW, GW2 CoH, CoV, FFXI, WoW, CO, War,TSW and a slew of free trials and beta tests

  • bound4hadesbound4hades Member UncommonPosts: 83
    dikbut said:
    Lithose said:
    They feel entitled, like they were owed something. They speak about how they understand business, yet don't understand why they were not consulted. They then did something that so many others can't do, abandon the product. So now the product is worthless, they technically win here, but they are entitled and want there sour little butts kissed. They may be older gamers, but they sure act like little kids.

    You should read the thread. Most of us came here to post in response to someone who was talking about us "understanding business" by taking a "fair offer" on a deal for worthless data. You're right, we are old, many of us own business--we came to educate that person why his ideas of what business is are idiotic.

    You johnny come lately into the thread at the end of it and apparently make up the events that suit your bias. Otherwise, I don't know how you arrived at this.

    Also, we pretty clearly spelled out why we weren't consulted, in fact I gave two hypothetical reasons in my own post (Go read it). We simply said that was a mistake, given the style of community we run, and if Craig had done his due diligence, that would not have been the path he would have chosen most likely--the entire thread was about illustrating how Craig never looked at the product he was dumping money into.

    Again, your posts seem to be making stuff up through extrapolation of the last couple of posts, not the whole thread.
    No point in arguing with you, you see it as you see it and nothing anyone says to you will change a thing. Regardless if its wrapped in a blanket of truth, you can't see 5cm past your nose.
    "I am unable to refute your points."
    And out comes the kid comments. I don't argue with idiots.
  • dikbutdikbut Member CommonPosts: 11
    dikbut said:
    Lithose said:
    They feel entitled, like they were owed something. They speak about how they understand business, yet don't understand why they were not consulted. They then did something that so many others can't do, abandon the product. So now the product is worthless, they technically win here, but they are entitled and want there sour little butts kissed. They may be older gamers, but they sure act like little kids.

    You should read the thread. Most of us came here to post in response to someone who was talking about us "understanding business" by taking a "fair offer" on a deal for worthless data. You're right, we are old, many of us own business--we came to educate that person why his ideas of what business is are idiotic.

    You johnny come lately into the thread at the end of it and apparently make up the events that suit your bias. Otherwise, I don't know how you arrived at this.

    Also, we pretty clearly spelled out why we weren't consulted, in fact I gave two hypothetical reasons in my own post (Go read it). We simply said that was a mistake, given the style of community we run, and if Craig had done his due diligence, that would not have been the path he would have chosen most likely--the entire thread was about illustrating how Craig never looked at the product he was dumping money into.

    Again, your posts seem to be making stuff up through extrapolation of the last couple of posts, not the whole thread.
    No point in arguing with you, you see it as you see it and nothing anyone says to you will change a thing. Regardless if its wrapped in a blanket of truth, you can't see 5cm past your nose.
    "I am unable to refute your points."
    And out comes the kid comments. I don't argue with idiots.
    What a mature, well thought out response. Excellent contribution.
  • LanxKaiLanxKai Member CommonPosts: 4
    Amathe said:
    People can say what they want about mmorpg.com, but how many websites would put up with a 5 page thread ridiculing their business decisions? Why would that be my business as a forum poster here anyway? 
    Simple, they can't. At this point since this thread is the most viewed thread in this section in months, it has been getting a lot of traction and stirred up some things. If you lock it or delete it, it's just going to cause more angst inwards towards the mmorpg community, things like "well why did you mod that thread, what do you have to hide?" simple modding 101 type things.

    Right now your curiosity is satiated, however if you want to experiment, just go and ask for this thread to be deleted, see how many mmorpg users' feathers gets rustled.
  • LachiusTZLachiusTZ Member UncommonPosts: 5
    lahnmir said:
    I don't get this, at all. Are you impressed by this, do they have some authority now, do we have to give them credit for it? When judging people in a social space like this, ALWAYS judge them by how they behave first, everything else later. This is no business space so credentials don't mean jack. And judging by their behavior I can't blame Draegan getting rid of the bunch. All I see is an alienated, isolated community that has created the perfect echo chamber about 'ultimate freedom of speech'  and 'them evil ads urrrr, me clever eye-aids urrr let me insult urr urr.' A community that has been fondling each other for so long that they all think they are amazing. They are also too poor to pay for anything and rude enough to come over to our home and start acting like asses. Zero sympathy and zero respect is the result.

    Yes, we have ads. yes, there is some moderation and probably more than a few of us would like. But it is OUR home and if you don't like it, please go away. You know what, I've got a better idea. How about we ask Craig for the specific amount of money he paid for your pool of vitriol and bile and then, instead of starting an optional subscription here, we ask for a huge Donate button where OUR community can donate some money for YOUR website so you can get it back and leave this place. I am pretty sure some of us are more then willing to spend some money on that, contrary to the amazing rerolled community.

    I am sorry, I tried to be nice but it seems like nice isn't how some want to be treated so there you go. What goes around and all of that.

    /Cheers,
    Lahnmir
    So, in this post, you call us poor (wonder how many "Donor" tags you see on our forums?  Cause its rare to see a poster with out one . . . so most of us donated to provide for our own forums . . . so we dont have ads.  Then follow it up saying you have ads.   Alright then, sure, whatever, not going to dive in that rabbit hole of stupid.

    And reputation always matters, it precedes you, everywhere and all the time.  Provided you have one, if you dont . . . then it wont.  Anyway, so yeah, your credentials and rep matter.  Always.  Well, where any amount of significant time or money are involved they almost always do.  Maybe that is foreign to you.  Dunno.

    Personally, I dont give a flying fuck about being nice (outside of common courtesy).

    Amathe said:
    People can say what they want about mmorpg.com, but how many websites would put up with a 5 page thread ridiculing their business decisions? Why would that be my business as a forum poster here anyway? 
    To this . . . 

    LanxKai said:
    Amathe said:
    People can say what they want about mmorpg.com, but how many websites would put up with a 5 page thread ridiculing their business decisions? Why would that be my business as a forum poster here anyway? 
    Simple, they can't. At this point since this thread is the most viewed thread in this section in months, it has been getting a lot of traction and stirred up some things. If you lock it or delete it, it's just going to cause more angst inwards towards the mmorpg community, things like "well why did you mod that thread, what do you have to hide?" simple modding 101 type things.

    Right now your curiosity is satiated, however if you want to experiment, just go and ask for this thread to be deleted, see how many mmorpg users' feathers gets rustled.

    We are trying to send Dr Mario over here to diagnose and attempt to rehab out the Stockholm syndrome (or whatever it is, its not my thing, its his), but arent sure if he is willing to sink the time into it.

    And in all honesty, there are ppl on RR^2 that sometimes I fantasize about backhanding hard enough to loosen teeth.  But those are our ppl, and at this point we do stick together.  And have a pretty amazing community.

    Btw, Hello "new" pals.
  • BarrikorBarrikor Member UncommonPosts: 369
    LanxKai said:
    Amathe said:
    People can say what they want about mmorpg.com, but how many websites would put up with a 5 page thread ridiculing their business decisions? Why would that be my business as a forum poster here anyway? 
    Simple, they can't. At this point since this thread is the most viewed thread in this section in months, it has been getting a lot of traction and stirred up some things. If you lock it or delete it, it's just going to cause more angst inwards towards the mmorpg community, things like "well why did you mod that thread, what do you have to hide?" simple modding 101 type things.

    Right now your curiosity is satiated, however if you want to experiment, just go and ask for this thread to be deleted, see how many mmorpg users' feathers gets rustled.

    This is exactly what's wrong with your community. You think everyone has an angle. You think everyone has an ulterior motive, that everyone has something to hide, and everyone will abuse any power they have.

    The community here isn't here for "angst" or for seeing people's feathers get ruffles. Yeah, I'm sure you can make people mad if you know how to press their buttons and make them angry, but why would you even want to do that?
  • rwyanrwyan Member UncommonPosts: 468
    I've been a lurking member here for a long time now.  I am in now way going to criticize another community, especially given that their territory was literally sold out from under them.  Simply, some things don't mix as in oil and water.  There was clearly some bad business decisions made (mislead or not).

    With that said, thanks to all that have shared information and provided for interesting discussion.  For me, the whole thing makes me sad.  It makes me sad that I come back to this site less and less. 

    I am sad that 2 attempts at introducing the "new" site have failed.  I am sad that I recently visited and its been updated with this really awful layout that was attempted some time back that no one liked at all.  It makes me sad that the current layout probably does allow for more ads.  The events that resulted in this thread make me sad.

    The only thing that makes me kind of happy is that the tight-knit community over at rerolled will live another day and be better for it and continue on - that's cool.  I think I'm going to hug a tree now; yeah, that will make me feel better.
  • dikbutdikbut Member CommonPosts: 11
    lahnmir said:
    ...community that has created the perfect echo chamber about 'ultimate freedom of speech'  and 'them evil ads urrrr, me clever eye-aids urrr let me insult urr urr.'
    Also, lolwut? This doesn't even make sense.
  • RajereRajere Member UncommonPosts: 2
    freedom of speech echo chamber lol

    your privilege is triggering me so hard right now I can't even
  • noodlefacenoodleface Member CommonPosts: 1
    Hah what a piece of fecal matter the site owner here sounds like.
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