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  • Barraco_BisiBarraco_Bisi Member CommonPosts: 1
    Craig got Matchstick Men'd! The site he bought is now empty. 
  • observerobserver Member RarePosts: 3,685
    Lithose said:
    Did you own that site? I don't think so. Craig had the money, the owner wanted the money, they traded. They had all the right to do so.
    Welcome to business.

    Oh they absolutely had the right to make that transaction, and the customers had the right to leave. Welcome to business. This is how it works. It's not up to us to appeal to Craig, it was up to him to appeal to us (And as I'll explain, words are cheap). Human beings aren't cattle, they aren't traded in deals. The only thing you can transfer when selling a business is information on customers. Craig did have access to that, and completely failed to do his due diligence about his new customer base.

    I'm absolutely baffled any of you find Craig carries no culpability, but the customer does. If you feel that way, I implore you never to go into business for yourself, avoid the heart ache, and money loss. Because the sense of entitlement it requires to believe that customers should "take your word for it", and "go along with the deals you make" simply does not exist in the business world. (And as a customer, you should also avoid that practice. Business owners are not in business to be your friend, they are in business for self interest.)

    It is not from the benevolence of the butcher, the brewer, or the baker, that we expect our dinner, but from their regard to their own interest. We address ourselves, not to their humanity but to their self-love, and never talk to them of our necessities but of their advantages.--Adam Smith.

    We've said the term to you three times now, at least, Caveat Emptor is one of the first things you'll learn in economics, business, and private litigation. It's up to no one but you to do due diligence.  This is the term we used to guide us (And its a term you should use to guide you both in business and out of it) and given the evidence we have--Craig hiding the purchase, the way THIS site is...Old forum software, adds every inch, heavy moderation to keep the advertisers happy, attempts at disabling ad-blocker with a script? Why do you believe all of this exists the way it does here? Why would we trust Craig's word, over a reasonable assessment of the evidence we can view, and the logical progression of his self interest?

    (And again, I'm not vilifying Craig for his self interest. He's putting food on the table for his family. But that thought must always be in your mind when you deal with people, especially businessmen. Never take the word of someone over the evidence of their behavior, or the empirical reality you can study, never assume benevolence over self interest is a motivation--do those things, and life will go much easier for you. Unfortunately, Picard, we don't live in a 24th century utopia, yet. )


  • observerobserver Member RarePosts: 3,685
    Erronius said:
    observer said:
    " If an agreement can't be reached over that data, then I hope that Craig enjoys threads about random prostitutes and the johns that love them, a nice guy named Gravy, how many mcnuggets McCheese can eat in one sitting, MAGA, sous-viding entire cows, Brad and Pantheon, whether Mist is really a woman or just a depressed and whiny dude, and the occasional argument about the alien lizard angels who built the pyramids and how gargling peroxide can cure what ails you."

    You belittle a new site owner with a veiled threat, because he refuses to hand over permission of data, to those who aren't invested in his new acquisition.  Why not just move on and let it go?  Do you, and others, harass Zuckerberg after his Oculus Rift purchase?  If so, that says a lot about your emotional investment to a forum community, which quite frankly, is just pathetic.


    It's up to Craig and MMORPG.com what they want to do with it, but trying to charge a hefty premium for data that is only desirable to an extremely small subset of users in order to recoup his losses doesn't make much sense.

    If it's up to them, then why do you care so much about his losses that don't make sense?  If it was really up to them, then you wouldn't care at all.  You can't have it both ways.  Either you keep caring, or you move on.  This will be my last post on this subject, but i hope i instilled some more knowledge on your aggrieved dilemma over some forum data.  And yes, that's me being condescending.  :+1:
  • observerobserver Member RarePosts: 3,685
    dikbut said:
    Still, Craig is NOT responsible for the current situation. The guy who sold is.
    And as I said, you didn't even give Craig the benefit of doubt. You judged him culprit of something he didn't do.

    Maybe you guys think that you are mature tough adults or whatever because you were spewing insults at each others on some forum without moderation, but I'm not impressed. Your reaction to what happened looks more like a bunch of teenagers having a temper tantrum and having found a scapegoat for all their misery in the person of poor Craig.
    Craig tried to buy something that he had no right to. We were not consulted. Poor Craig.
    Do you even read what you write?  Who said a private citizen doesn't have a right to buy another website from it's owner?  He didn't have to consult anyone but the owner.  You apparently don't know how business works.
  • dikbutdikbut Member CommonPosts: 11
    Try again, champ. The site is worthless without its user base. He wanted the traffic the users generate. He didn't consult us and didn't do his research. Welcome to business.
  • lahnmirlahnmir Member EpicPosts: 2,896
    I feel sorry for Craig because he lost some money. I am happy for the mmorpg.com members that those forum users jumped ship. Judging by this thread alone makes me glad they won't stick around, belittleing and aggressive in their posting.

    Take your poison elsewhere and leave our community alone, go take it out on your own member that sold your website, not the one buying it, the 'enemy' has been one of your own, not ours. Surprise, surprise....

    /Cheers,
    Lahnmir
    'the only way he could nail it any better is if he used a cross.'

    Kyleran on yours sincerely 


    But there are many. You can play them entirely solo, and even offline. Also, you are wrong by default.

    Ikcin in response to yours sincerely debating whether or not single-player offline MMOs exist...
  • pvpirlpvpirl Member UncommonPosts: 171
    lahnmir said:
    I feel sorry for Craig because he lost some money. I am happy for the mmorpg.com members that those forum users jumped ship. Judging by this thread alone makes me glad they won't stick around, belittleing and aggressive in their posting.

    Take your poison elsewhere and leave our community alone, go take it out on your own member that sold your website, not the one buying it, the 'enemy' has been one of your own, not ours. Surprise, surprise....

    /Cheers,
    Lahnmir
    Thats the point, their home is compromised. Sure, one of their own made the initial sale but Craig who failed to disclose the change in regime, which I imagine felt something like your favorite mom and pop diner being bought out by McDonalds, or really giving them a reason NOT to have an exodus.

    Say what you want about rerolled and their conduct, but craig and company were the ones that told us on mmorpg.com that they couldnt keep the lights on and we needed to pay a sub or disable adblock then they drop 20k on a poorly researched, poorly executed purchase.

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  • SeelinnikoiSeelinnikoi Member RarePosts: 1,328
    Zegaloth said:
    Sovrath said:
    Forgrimm said:
    It's real. I've been a lurker at rerolled since it was the old Fires of Heaven site. That site is basically the polar opposite of this site, in the sense that the forums are basically a free-for-all. 
    I'm not sure why the owners of mmorpg.com didn't actually, you know, go to the site and go through the forums and see what type of site it was.

    I agree. $20k is far too large of an investment to not spend at least a few hours messing around on their forums. This really irks me that they would be so careless with their money if they are already having financial issues. Seems like you guys hired a business advisor that needs to get fired.
    First the shady and incompetent Indian company they hired to develop the new website, and now this?

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  • KyleranKyleran Member LegendaryPosts: 34,377
    Erronius said:
    Kyleran said:
    Oh no, the obligatory LOL is what you'll get here.

    ;)
    I'll take that as an admission of defeat.

    /victory lap
    Wait, one more thing before I close.

    / mic drop 

    :p

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  • XarpolisXarpolis Member CommonPosts: 1
    edited August 2016
    Thread derail about Kyleran's signature.  So you've played EVE since 2007?  That's hardly an accomplishment.  The majority of rerolled posters began in the days of EverQuest.  Many started at day 1, March 16th, 1999.  Some of us date back to MUDS (text based games) or Virtual MUDS like Sierra's The Realm.

    Just thought I would share a brief gaming history with you.

    EDIT:  The Realm came out in 1996.  God damn, 20 years ago.  I feel old.
  • ValorathValorath Member CommonPosts: 1
    edited August 2016
    Xarpolis said:
    Thread derail about Kyleran's signature.  So you've played EVE since 2007?  That's hardly an accomplishment.  The majority of rerolled posters began in the days of EverQuest.  Many started at day 1, March 16th, 1999.  Some of us date back to MUDS (text based games) or Virtual MUDS like Sierra's The Realm.

    Just thought I would share a brief gaming history with you.

    EDIT:  The Realm came out in 1996.  God damn, 20 years ago.  I feel old.
    Can't believe I created an account here just to thumbs up this post. Asked for EQ for my 15th b-day, 3/4/99. Found out about EQ through FFVII message boards on AOL. Parents bought a second phone line in May, for my brother's EQ account, when he turned 13.

    Edit: Found FoH, eventually registered in 2002. Proud to have lurked ever since.
  • lahnmirlahnmir Member EpicPosts: 2,896
    pvpirl said:
    lahnmir said:
    I feel sorry for Craig because he lost some money. I am happy for the mmorpg.com members that those forum users jumped ship. Judging by this thread alone makes me glad they won't stick around, belittleing and aggressive in their posting.

    Take your poison elsewhere and leave our community alone, go take it out on your own member that sold your website, not the one buying it, the 'enemy' has been one of your own, not ours. Surprise, surprise....

    /Cheers,
    Lahnmir
    Thats the point, their home is compromised. Sure, one of their own made the initial sale but Craig who failed to disclose the change in regime, which I imagine felt something like your favorite mom and pop diner being bought out by McDonalds, or really giving them a reason NOT to have an exodus.

    Say what you want about rerolled and their conduct, but craig and company were the ones that told us on mmorpg.com that they couldnt keep the lights on and we needed to pay a sub or disable adblock then they drop 20k on a poorly researched, poorly executed purchase.
    I totally get that their home has been compromised and that the change of ownership and the new 'house rules' could and should have been communicated better.

    However, it is no excuse for some of the behavior when coming over to 'our' home to complain about certain things. They want to be treated with decency and respect with their closely knit community and long time gaming history, I would expect the same in return, alas...

    it is a shame as well. I am a massive Sierra fan and would love to hear some stories about The Realm and how it was back in the day, I've been playing most of their games except that one.

    I get the frustration, I do not get the attitude when coming over to our home.

    /Cheers,
    Lahnmir

     
    'the only way he could nail it any better is if he used a cross.'

    Kyleran on yours sincerely 


    But there are many. You can play them entirely solo, and even offline. Also, you are wrong by default.

    Ikcin in response to yours sincerely debating whether or not single-player offline MMOs exist...
  • bound4hadesbound4hades Member UncommonPosts: 83
    edited August 2016
    Xarpolis said:
    Thread derail about Kyleran's signature.  So you've played EVE since 2007?  That's hardly an accomplishment.  The majority of rerolled posters began in the days of EverQuest.  Many started at day 1, March 16th, 1999.  Some of us date back to MUDS (text based games) or Virtual MUDS like Sierra's The Realm.

    Just thought I would share a brief gaming history with you.

    EDIT:  The Realm came out in 1996.  God damn, 20 years ago.  I feel old.
    Thank god your mom and dad spit you out before some of us. Then again a few of us are even older and have many earlier experiences then even you. I just find it kinda silly that you would brag about it. You're old, congrats!
  • bound4hadesbound4hades Member UncommonPosts: 83
    lahnmir said:
    pvpirl said:
    lahnmir said:
    I feel sorry for Craig because he lost some money. I am happy for the mmorpg.com members that those forum users jumped ship. Judging by this thread alone makes me glad they won't stick around, belittleing and aggressive in their posting.

    Take your poison elsewhere and leave our community alone, go take it out on your own member that sold your website, not the one buying it, the 'enemy' has been one of your own, not ours. Surprise, surprise....

    /Cheers,
    Lahnmir
    Thats the point, their home is compromised. Sure, one of their own made the initial sale but Craig who failed to disclose the change in regime, which I imagine felt something like your favorite mom and pop diner being bought out by McDonalds, or really giving them a reason NOT to have an exodus.

    Say what you want about rerolled and their conduct, but craig and company were the ones that told us on mmorpg.com that they couldnt keep the lights on and we needed to pay a sub or disable adblock then they drop 20k on a poorly researched, poorly executed purchase.
    I totally get that their home has been compromised and that the change of ownership and the new 'house rules' could and should have been communicated better.

    However, it is no excuse for some of the behavior when coming over to 'our' home to complain about certain things. They want to be treated with decency and respect with their closely knit community and long time gaming history, I would expect the same in return, alas...

    it is a shame as well. I am a massive Sierra fan and would love to hear some stories about The Realm and how it was back in the day, I've been playing most of their games except that one.

    I get the frustration, I do not get the attitude when coming over to our home.

    /Cheers,
    Lahnmir

     
    They feel entitled, like they were owed something. They speak about how they understand business, yet don't understand why they were not consulted. They then did something that so many others can't do, abandon the product. So now the product is worthless, they technically win here, but they are entitled and want there sour little butts kissed. They may be older gamers, but they sure act like little kids.
  • vimesehvimeseh Member CommonPosts: 4
    The majority of us know that Craig owes us nothing. I personally could care less if we ever get the data from the old forums, just that our community stays together. I think some of us took umbrage to the fact that earlier posts in this thread by the denizens of this forum either flat out stated or implied that we were somehow obligated to continue frequenting a forum that would most likely no longer cater to our preferred posting habits. It isn't our responsibility to make a stupid purchase on his part any better.


  • lahnmirlahnmir Member EpicPosts: 2,896
    vimeseh said:
    The majority of us know that Craig owes us nothing. I personally could care less if we ever get the data from the old forums, just that our community stays together. I think some of us took umbrage to the fact that earlier posts in this thread by the denizens of this forum either flat out stated or implied that we were somehow obligated to continue frequenting a forum that would most likely no longer cater to our preferred posting habits. It isn't our responsibility to make a stupid purchase on his part any better.


    Thank you. For this clear and levelheaded response. I hope you guys can stay together as a community as well. less anger, frustration and boasting, more explaining and insight. So really, thank you. If we could all communicate like this. And that goes for both sides  =)

    /Cheers,
    Lahnmir
    'the only way he could nail it any better is if he used a cross.'

    Kyleran on yours sincerely 


    But there are many. You can play them entirely solo, and even offline. Also, you are wrong by default.

    Ikcin in response to yours sincerely debating whether or not single-player offline MMOs exist...
  • ForgrimmForgrimm Member EpicPosts: 2,972
    Xarpolis said:
    Thread derail about Kyleran's signature.  So you've played EVE since 2007?  That's hardly an accomplishment.  The majority of rerolled posters began in the days of EverQuest.  Many started at day 1, March 16th, 1999.  Some of us date back to MUDS (text based games) or Virtual MUDS like Sierra's The Realm.

    Just thought I would share a brief gaming history with you.

    EDIT:  The Realm came out in 1996.  God damn, 20 years ago.  I feel old.
    I'm pretty sure Kyleran still has you beat. Quoting one of his recent posts:

    I've been electronic gaming since the 70s, I really feel old.

  • dikbutdikbut Member CommonPosts: 11
    lahnmir said:
    pvpirl said:
    lahnmir said:
    I feel sorry for Craig because he lost some money. I am happy for the mmorpg.com members that those forum users jumped ship. Judging by this thread alone makes me glad they won't stick around, belittleing and aggressive in their posting.

    Take your poison elsewhere and leave our community alone, go take it out on your own member that sold your website, not the one buying it, the 'enemy' has been one of your own, not ours. Surprise, surprise....

    /Cheers,
    Lahnmir
    Thats the point, their home is compromised. Sure, one of their own made the initial sale but Craig who failed to disclose the change in regime, which I imagine felt something like your favorite mom and pop diner being bought out by McDonalds, or really giving them a reason NOT to have an exodus.

    Say what you want about rerolled and their conduct, but craig and company were the ones that told us on mmorpg.com that they couldnt keep the lights on and we needed to pay a sub or disable adblock then they drop 20k on a poorly researched, poorly executed purchase.
    I totally get that their home has been compromised and that the change of ownership and the new 'house rules' could and should have been communicated better.

    However, it is no excuse for some of the behavior when coming over to 'our' home to complain about certain things. They want to be treated with decency and respect with their closely knit community and long time gaming history, I would expect the same in return, alas...

    it is a shame as well. I am a massive Sierra fan and would love to hear some stories about The Realm and how it was back in the day, I've been playing most of their games except that one.

    I get the frustration, I do not get the attitude when coming over to our home.

    /Cheers,
    Lahnmir

     
    They feel entitled, like they were owed something. They speak about how they understand business, yet don't understand why they were not consulted. They then did something that so many others can't do, abandon the product. So now the product is worthless, they technically win here, but they are entitled and want there sour little butts kissed. They may be older gamers, but they sure act like little kids.
    We'll pass on your ass-kissing, I think we just felt you all deserved to know where those thousands of "keep the lights on" dollars were being tossed while you're forced to look at the eye-AIDS masquerading as ads here.
  • ErroniusErronius Member UncommonPosts: 9
    They feel entitled, like they were owed something. They speak about how they understand business, yet don't understand why they were not consulted. They then did something that so many others can't do, abandon the product. So now the product is worthless, they technically win here, but they are entitled and want there sour little butts kissed. They may be older gamers, but they sure act like little kids.
    Ah, so we finally get to the crux of why the users here are so salty: "They then did something that so many others can't do"

    I'm just...I mean...hahahahaha...give me a second to stop laughing at how absurd this is.

    Enjoy your ad-infected safe-space that you think you're incapable of leaving. Go ahead and tell yourselves that leaving a forum is a BAD THING and that we are BAD PEOPLE because we didn't huddle together, shivering in the cold, thanking Mr. Craig profusely for trying to trade us secretly as chattel and then offering to placate us with promises of being left alone in solitude and 'new forum software', when we can simply look here and cringe at how THAT worked out for all of you here. A forum so heavily moderated that you can't even have off-topic discussions about religion or politics; a forum so painful to look at that it's as if the Umbrella Corporation infected Geocities with the T-virus.

    But yeah, we totally should have shackled ourselves to MMORPG.com! 
  • LanxKaiLanxKai Member CommonPosts: 4
    You know what's amazing? the Timeline. Literally in less than 10 business days rerolled did a mass exodus and 90% of the people that mattered, gtfo.

    You know why? cuz we "pwn s***", no literally many of us are made up of the creme de le creme of gaming min/max, users.

    We don't know how to live life any other way. Our A team got organized and found a new home in a matter of hours. Our B team then gave the call to pull the "Noah's Ark, forget the gat damn Giraffes!!!" maneuver.

    By Monday nearly half of the old site had already moved in, everyone w/o even saying a gat damn thing, were off doing what was necessary to keep the new forum usable.

    wtf do i mean by usable?

    It's Monday, the purpose of the forum is to slack off at work, get paid to browse interwebs?

    YES PLEASE!

    And that's what we did, we re created old threads, we went to work "filling out" our forums, we began acting like it was just a normal monday, and the status quo was normal. We chalked the hiccup and new website to the really cruddy old vbulletin software we were forced to endure that failed us multiple times.

    Those of you at mmorpg recognize just how amazing we are, wow, sorry, i just caught my reflection off the black screen, had to take a moment to admire the awesome...

    Anyway, check the old forum, check the new forum, we ghost town'd the old place so bad Dodge Union Workers think it might be a habitable place.

    How tight is your community that you can setup shop in a newer/better home and still see 90% of the familiar faces?

    This place is a network of sites that sells advertising, and sure that's cool, it's a nice business model. In the end, you're a stat, as long as you tick the Google analytics page view counter, you matter. It doesn't actually matter if you view ads or not, that's not how the real money is made. It's made by showing an ad company how many daily page views you average and renting off that real estate for a month.

    To put it in some narrative or perspective you "kiddies" might understand better, lets use Tinder. That is what we have created, we can swipe left or right or however that app works, and no one can tell us whom we like or don't like or can or can't netflix and chill. (idk, i've been w/ my wife for 20 years, i have no idea how you "kiddies" hook up now)

    While you guys are at the behest of some other entity, you've basically subscribed to eharmony or match or whatever crappy old dating site that "allows" you to see other members, if THEY deem it so.

    And you know what, many a cow has been met by another cow on eharmony and dats cool!, you know, keep on keeping on.
  • dikbutdikbut Member CommonPosts: 11
    edited August 2016
    ^as you can see, we all have our retards.
  • bound4hadesbound4hades Member UncommonPosts: 83
    edited August 2016
    Erronius said:
    They feel entitled, like they were owed something. They speak about how they understand business, yet don't understand why they were not consulted. They then did something that so many others can't do, abandon the product. So now the product is worthless, they technically win here, but they are entitled and want there sour little butts kissed. They may be older gamers, but they sure act like little kids.
    Ah, so we finally get to the crux of why the users here are so salty: "They then did something that so many others can't do"

    I'm just...I mean...hahahahaha...give me a second to stop laughing at how absurd this is.

    Enjoy your ad-infected safe-space that you think you're incapable of leaving. Go ahead and tell yourselves that leaving a forum is a BAD THING and that we are BAD PEOPLE because we didn't huddle together, shivering in the cold, thanking Mr. Craig profusely for trying to trade us secretly as chattel and then offering to placate us with promises of being left alone in solitude and 'new forum software', when we can simply look here and cringe at how THAT worked out for all of you here. A forum so heavily moderated that you can't even have off-topic discussions about religion or politics; a forum so painful to look at that it's as if the Umbrella Corporation infected Geocities with the T-virus.

    But yeah, we totally should have shackled ourselves to MMORPG.com! 
    You just saw what you wanted to see. I said in the very next sentence; they technically win here. I'm happy you did what so many others can't do. It just irritates me that you came here to rub your butts on the carpet in hopes that you might leave a stain. It seems you are just like the others, unable to completely read the paragraph.
  • bound4hadesbound4hades Member UncommonPosts: 83
    dikbut said:
    lahnmir said:
    pvpirl said:
    lahnmir said:
    I feel sorry for Craig because he lost some money. I am happy for the mmorpg.com members that those forum users jumped ship. Judging by this thread alone makes me glad they won't stick around, belittleing and aggressive in their posting.

    Take your poison elsewhere and leave our community alone, go take it out on your own member that sold your website, not the one buying it, the 'enemy' has been one of your own, not ours. Surprise, surprise....

    /Cheers,
    Lahnmir
    Thats the point, their home is compromised. Sure, one of their own made the initial sale but Craig who failed to disclose the change in regime, which I imagine felt something like your favorite mom and pop diner being bought out by McDonalds, or really giving them a reason NOT to have an exodus.

    Say what you want about rerolled and their conduct, but craig and company were the ones that told us on mmorpg.com that they couldnt keep the lights on and we needed to pay a sub or disable adblock then they drop 20k on a poorly researched, poorly executed purchase.
    I totally get that their home has been compromised and that the change of ownership and the new 'house rules' could and should have been communicated better.

    However, it is no excuse for some of the behavior when coming over to 'our' home to complain about certain things. They want to be treated with decency and respect with their closely knit community and long time gaming history, I would expect the same in return, alas...

    it is a shame as well. I am a massive Sierra fan and would love to hear some stories about The Realm and how it was back in the day, I've been playing most of their games except that one.

    I get the frustration, I do not get the attitude when coming over to our home.

    /Cheers,
    Lahnmir

     
    They feel entitled, like they were owed something. They speak about how they understand business, yet don't understand why they were not consulted. They then did something that so many others can't do, abandon the product. So now the product is worthless, they technically win here, but they are entitled and want there sour little butts kissed. They may be older gamers, but they sure act like little kids.
    We'll pass on your ass-kissing, I think we just felt you all deserved to know where those thousands of "keep the lights on" dollars were being tossed while you're forced to look at the eye-AIDS masquerading as ads here.
    In all honestly, I'm glad you stopped by and gave us the heads up. It really shines a light on the situation where we need to turn off our adblockers. MMORPG makes a bad investment and we are now the ones going to have to make up the deficit. I already refuse to unblock anything after being insulted by that CEO and he never having the balls to apologize.

    While I'm sure you guys are a fun bunch, you guys do come of as whiny, entitled and overall douchy.
  • LithoseLithose Member CommonPosts: 4
    They feel entitled, like they were owed something. They speak about how they understand business, yet don't understand why they were not consulted. They then did something that so many others can't do, abandon the product. So now the product is worthless, they technically win here, but they are entitled and want there sour little butts kissed. They may be older gamers, but they sure act like little kids.

    You should read the thread. Most of us came here to post in response to someone who was talking about us "understanding business" by taking a "fair offer" on a deal for worthless data. You're right, we are old, many of us own business--we came to educate that person why his ideas of what business is are idiotic.

    You johnny come lately into the thread at the end of it and apparently make up the events that suit your bias. Otherwise, I don't know how you arrived at this.

    Also, we pretty clearly spelled out why we weren't consulted, in fact I gave two hypothetical reasons in my own post (Go read it). We simply said that was a mistake, given the style of community we run, and if Craig had done his due diligence, that would not have been the path he would have chosen most likely--the entire thread was about illustrating how Craig never looked at the product he was dumping money into.

    Again, your posts seem to be making stuff up through extrapolation of the last couple of posts, not the whole thread.
  • pvpirlpvpirl Member UncommonPosts: 171
    edited August 2016
    something about all of this just echos with falsehood.

    my point in all of this is the rerollers came to warn us, craig did some shady and dishonest things with them and all the while we are getting some shady and dishonest statements and actions here in our home forum.

    i mean, the nose knows and this deal just didnt seem kosher.

    we can bicker on who has greater business knowledge till we're blue in our collective faces but when this forum gets hit by a paywall because they "cant keep the lights on", then we find out about this, it raises some serious questions.

    is craig just rubbing his hands together trying to find out new ways to nickel and dime us?

    also, let us not pretend fires of heaven / rerolled was some run of the mill forum, it is among the oldest and most storied MMO communities in existence.


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