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  • craftseekercraftseeker Member RarePosts: 1,740
    This Thread:


    Very much so as two unrelated things are being conflated.

    In the picture the upper sign refers to automotive traffic, the bottom one to foot traffic in an emergency. Although I suppose it might be different in the U.S. 
  • LleithLleith Member UncommonPosts: 126
    This Thread:


    Very much so as two unrelated things are being conflated.

    In the picture the upper sign refers to automotive traffic, the bottom one to foot traffic in an emergency. Although I suppose it might be different in the U.S. 
    Generally speaking, evacuation route street signs in the U.S. are for cars - it's hard to know what the intent was here.
  • patpellepatpelle Member UncommonPosts: 2
    Lleith said:
    https://bdomaths.wordpress.com/2016/08/06/the-end-of-a-short-journey/

    The guy was banned for posting that. Controversial? Sure - but certainly not anywhere near the most vitriolic thing that BDO's forums have seen in the past 48 hours. But the ban hammer came down nonetheless: thread deleted, user bludgeoned into silence.

    Honestly, as an MMORPG company, you couldn't draw up a battleplan to sink your own stock and trade faster than what Daum/Kakao (or however the hell it's spelled) are doing. It's absolutely amazing how out-of-touch they are, and even more bizarre that they believe that in the most tech-savvy era in human history that word of their shenanigans wouldn't IMMEDIATELY get out and be poured like gasoline back onto the fire brewing in their backyard.

    Now every 3rd post is quoting that deleted thread! There's nothing like successful censorship!
    The player in question posted about illegal or illicit activities in a previous post and was warned by GM then created another account to bypass the warning.

    • The user shall not promote illegal or illicit activities including cheating and the use of exploits.
    • The user will not create additional forum accounts in order to bypass any warning, suspension, ban or purport themselves as someone else.
    Before you jump to hasty conclusion you might want to get to the bottom of things. The player in question made it sound like he was being cencored but he was just being another person who can't follow the rules.
  • LleithLleith Member UncommonPosts: 126
    edited August 2016
    patpelle said:
    Lleith said:
    https://bdomaths.wordpress.com/2016/08/06/the-end-of-a-short-journey/

    The guy was banned for posting that. Controversial? Sure - but certainly not anywhere near the most vitriolic thing that BDO's forums have seen in the past 48 hours. But the ban hammer came down nonetheless: thread deleted, user bludgeoned into silence.

    Honestly, as an MMORPG company, you couldn't draw up a battleplan to sink your own stock and trade faster than what Daum/Kakao (or however the hell it's spelled) are doing. It's absolutely amazing how out-of-touch they are, and even more bizarre that they believe that in the most tech-savvy era in human history that word of their shenanigans wouldn't IMMEDIATELY get out and be poured like gasoline back onto the fire brewing in their backyard.

    Now every 3rd post is quoting that deleted thread! There's nothing like successful censorship!
    The player in question posted about illegal or illicit activities in a previous post and was warned by GM then created another account to bypass the warning.

    • The user shall not promote illegal or illicit activities including cheating and the use of exploits.
    • The user will not create additional forum accounts in order to bypass any warning, suspension, ban or purport themselves as someone else.
    Before you jump to hasty conclusion you might want to get to the bottom of things. The player in question made it sound like he was being cencored but he was just being another person who can't follow the rules.
    I had my account deleted there last night. No swearing... no threats... no sharing of hacks or exploits. I was active in the thread talking with others about chargebacks - this morning? Banned. No warnings; no prior warnings to this date on the account. Just banned. 

    Yes, censorship is happening there - his is hardly an isolated example. 
  • ArchlyteArchlyte Member RarePosts: 1,405
    edited August 2016
    Gdemami said:
    Dakeru said:
    what do they actually gain from banning this guy who gave constructive feedback other than losing the trust of the players?
    1) His post wasn't constructive. That is why he got banned and thread deleted.
    2) Removing such posts makes the forum cleaner, better to read.
    Better to read for whom? I would prefer to be a big boy and filter out things for myself. Guess that makes me a No Lifer by your definition, but I would rather sift through bad opinions than have someone sanitize it for vulcan logic's sake, or to remove all the bad feelings statements to create a safe zone. 

    People who chant Vocal Minority are always putting a collar on the unknown and trying to pull the leash. 
    MMORPG players are often like Hobbits: They don't like Adventures
  • GdemamiGdemami Member EpicPosts: 11,818
    Archlyte said:
    Better to read for whom? I would prefer to be a big boy and filter out things for myself. Guess that makes me a No Lifer by your definition, but I would rather sift through bad opinions than have someone sanitize it for vulcan logic's sake, or to remove all the bad feelings statements to create a safe zone. 

    People who chant Vocal Minority are always putting a collar on the unknown and trying to pull the leash.
    Better to read for anyone looking for factual information and discussion - something I would expect from company running the game and their forums. The forums are there for their customers to discuss the game, not a tool to vent off their frustration.

    I do not see a relation between moderation and "no-lifers", can you enlighten me on that one?


    You mistake moderation of non-constructive posts with moderation of negative feedback. You can still be critical and express your dissatisfaction in constructive, polite manner.


    Vocal minorities are real, sorry.
  • PhryPhry Member LegendaryPosts: 11,004
    Gdemami said:
    Archlyte said:
    Better to read for whom? I would prefer to be a big boy and filter out things for myself. Guess that makes me a No Lifer by your definition, but I would rather sift through bad opinions than have someone sanitize it for vulcan logic's sake, or to remove all the bad feelings statements to create a safe zone. 

    People who chant Vocal Minority are always putting a collar on the unknown and trying to pull the leash.
    Better to read for anyone looking for factual information and discussion - something I would expect from company running the game and their forums. The forums are there for their customers to discuss the game, not a tool to vent off their frustration.

    I do not see a relation between moderation and "no-lifers", can you enlighten me on that one?


    You mistake moderation of non-constructive posts with moderation of negative feedback. You can still be critical and express your dissatisfaction in constructive, polite manner.


    Vocal minorities are real, sorry.
    By that definition, should we also censor you because your comments are non-constructive, and can easily be defined as being a 'vocal minority' ?


  • GdemamiGdemami Member EpicPosts: 11,818
    Phry said:
    By that definition, should we also censor you because your comments are non-constructive, and can easily be defined as being a 'vocal minority' ?
    You are cute...
  • Jean-Luc_PicardJean-Luc_Picard Member LegendaryPosts: 8,070
    Sovrath said:
    Sovrath said:

    So I'll take with a grain of salt any outcry of people leaving in droves until I actually see it. 
    There's no grain of salt involved in the fact that if that patch ever goes live, what will most likely happen, Daum/Kakao/Pearl will never ever get even just a single cent of my money. Neither for this game, nor for any future game they could publish. I've made that oath for a couple of companies before already, and I never broke it.

    I bought some shop stuff before to support them. I would have gladly continued. That is over if they go that route. I will possibly keep on playing, but as a "leech", using bandwidth without paying a cent, since it's perfectly possible with my play style and all I ever bought was cosmetic anyway. I actually intend to steal that gold from the whale by making them buy my wares.
    And that's obviously a good way to play. I'm not for people doing things they don't feel comfortable about.

    However, the idea that a large amount or majority feel the way you do or the OP might not be true.
     
    Fact is a huge amount of players are pissed right now. I don't know if it's a majority, but when all PvP guilds use the "no P2W" logo, it's a sign.

    Note that I absolutely not regret my purchase, I got 6 months of solid fun and I most likely will get a couple of months more fun, so I won't charge back. It would be dishonest from me, not to mention it would most likely not work, some people here seem to be overconfident about what their bank will agree on about a video game.

    I just think that they could have done it more elegantly.
    Remains to be seen what impact it will have on the game. I don't see many players wasting their silver to buy a 70 million cosmetic costume, when the same sum would allow them to upgrade and maintain their own gear. The non-whales are precisely those who will not want to waste their in game currency for some basically useless costume.
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  • craftseekercraftseeker Member RarePosts: 1,740
    Sovrath said:
    Sovrath said:

    So I'll take with a grain of salt any outcry of people leaving in droves until I actually see it. 
    There's no grain of salt involved in the fact that if that patch ever goes live, what will most likely happen, Daum/Kakao/Pearl will never ever get even just a single cent of my money. Neither for this game, nor for any future game they could publish. I've made that oath for a couple of companies before already, and I never broke it.

    I bought some shop stuff before to support them. I would have gladly continued. That is over if they go that route. I will possibly keep on playing, but as a "leech", using bandwidth without paying a cent, since it's perfectly possible with my play style and all I ever bought was cosmetic anyway. I actually intend to steal that gold from the whale by making them buy my wares.
    And that's obviously a good way to play. I'm not for people doing things they don't feel comfortable about.

    However, the idea that a large amount or majority feel the way you do or the OP might not be true.
     
    Fact is a huge amount of players are pissed right now. I don't know if it's a majority, but when all PvP guilds use the "no P2W" logo, it's a sign.

    Note that I absolutely not regret my purchase, I got 6 months of solid fun and I most likely will get a couple of months more fun, so I won't charge back. It would be dishonest from me, not to mention it would most likely not work, some people here seem to be overconfident about what their bank will agree on about a video game.

    I just think that they could have done it more elegantly.
    Remains to be seen what impact it will have on the game. I don't see many players wasting their silver to buy a 70 million cosmetic costume, when the same sum would allow them to upgrade and maintain their own gear. The non-whales are precisely those who will not want to waste their in game currency for some basically useless costume.
    Yes a lot of people are pissed right now, but will they still be pissed in a months time?

    Yes it could have been done more elegantly, but in the end what is going to matter is the impact on cash flow. They obviously want a faster flow of cash and are prepared to accept long term losses if they get it.
  • GdemamiGdemami Member EpicPosts: 11,818
    edited August 2016
    craftseeker said:
    Yes a lot of people are pissed right now, but will they still be pissed in a months time?

    Yes it could have been done more elegantly, but in the end what is going to matter is the impact on cash flow. They obviously want a faster flow of cash and are prepared to accept long term losses if they get it.
    Agreed.

    There was precisely same hiatus accompanying PLEX introduction in EVE Online, the game didn't die of it nor there were people leaving the game over it.
  • postlarvalpostlarval Member EpicPosts: 2,003
    Phry said:
    Phry said:
    Doug_B said:
    Whiner gets banned #good
    80% of games population leaves #good ?

    SOE kind of made gaming history with SWG that way, be sad to see this repeated.

    What is it with you and this manufactured hyperbole? Earlier it was "nobody wants the upcoming changes" and now 80% of the game's population is going to leave?

    You have a broken crystal ball and you need to look up the definition of "nobody".

    I get you don't like the game developer but you don't have to spew pseudo-facts to justify your hate. Just say you hate them.

    I don't think i've had to look up a definition for such a simple concept as 'nobody' since i was 12, but feel free to engage your vocabulary if your up to it, i do enjoy a challenge. :p
    Well you don't seem to have gotten it right so I suggest you look it up again.
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  • PhryPhry Member LegendaryPosts: 11,004
    Phry said:
    Phry said:
    Doug_B said:
    Whiner gets banned #good
    80% of games population leaves #good ?

    SOE kind of made gaming history with SWG that way, be sad to see this repeated.

    What is it with you and this manufactured hyperbole? Earlier it was "nobody wants the upcoming changes" and now 80% of the game's population is going to leave?

    You have a broken crystal ball and you need to look up the definition of "nobody".

    I get you don't like the game developer but you don't have to spew pseudo-facts to justify your hate. Just say you hate them.

    I don't think i've had to look up a definition for such a simple concept as 'nobody' since i was 12, but feel free to engage your vocabulary if your up to it, i do enjoy a challenge. :p
    Well you don't seem to have gotten it right so I suggest you look it up again.
    Well i was hoping you were going to come up with something a bit more imaginative, perhaps i was being overly optimistic.
    The 'history' of SWG is fairly well documented already, though perhaps for people new to genre it may well be one that is unknown, but the basics are that SOE changed the focus of the game significantly, not btw, in terms of whether the game was P2W or not, it was a P2P game, but they took a game that was a fairly good approximation of a sandbox game, and turned it into a themepark game, very WoW like, things didn't work very well however, and over the period of about a month, they lost over 80% of their playerbase, there is far more to it than i have said, and its a very 'simplified' version of events.
    This is all history though, the last decade or so of which has been very eventful, and studying history is i think far more educational than engaging any purported prescient abilities, i leave that kind of thing to the professionals, such as 'cough' superdata 'cough'.
    :p
  • postlarvalpostlarval Member EpicPosts: 2,003
    Phry said:
    Phry said:
    Phry said:
    Doug_B said:
    Whiner gets banned #good
    80% of games population leaves #good ?

    SOE kind of made gaming history with SWG that way, be sad to see this repeated.

    What is it with you and this manufactured hyperbole? Earlier it was "nobody wants the upcoming changes" and now 80% of the game's population is going to leave?

    You have a broken crystal ball and you need to look up the definition of "nobody".

    I get you don't like the game developer but you don't have to spew pseudo-facts to justify your hate. Just say you hate them.

    I don't think i've had to look up a definition for such a simple concept as 'nobody' since i was 12, but feel free to engage your vocabulary if your up to it, i do enjoy a challenge. :p
    Well you don't seem to have gotten it right so I suggest you look it up again.
    Well i was hoping you were going to come up with something a bit more imaginative, perhaps i was being overly optimistic.
    The 'history' of SWG is fairly well documented already, though perhaps for people new to genre it may well be one that is unknown, but the basics are that SOE changed the focus of the game significantly, not btw, in terms of whether the game was P2W or not, it was a P2P game, but they took a game that was a fairly good approximation of a sandbox game, and turned it into a themepark game, very WoW like, things didn't work very well however, and over the period of about a month, they lost over 80% of their playerbase, there is far more to it than i have said, and its a very 'simplified' version of events.
    This is all history though, the last decade or so of which has been very eventful, and studying history is i think far more educational than engaging any purported prescient abilities, i leave that kind of thing to the professionals, such as 'cough' superdata 'cough'.
    :p
    *sigh*

    Let's try again...look at the bunny...focus...look at the bunny...

    You said, "nobody wants the upcoming changes"

    I said, "you need to look up the definition of 'nobody'"

    Still with me? Good. The bunny is slightly up and off to the left in case you've gotten lost.

    You said, "I don't think I've had to look up a definition for such...blah...blah...blah"

    I said, "you don't seem to have gotten it right so I suggest you look it up again"

    Yoo hoo, over here. TL;DR: We are talking about your use of the word nobody.

    no•bod•y

    (ˈnoʊˌbɒd i, -ˌbʌd i, -bə di)

    pron., n., pl. -bod•ies. pron.
      no person; not anyone; no one.

    So unless your beloved "superdata" can show me that not a single person is happy, then your comment is just your usual hyperbole.

    Try to stick with responding to what I said next time and it will save you a lot of embarrassment.


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  • PhryPhry Member LegendaryPosts: 11,004
    Phry said:
    Phry said:
    Phry said:
    Doug_B said:
    Whiner gets banned #good
    80% of games population leaves #good ?

    SOE kind of made gaming history with SWG that way, be sad to see this repeated.

    What is it with you and this manufactured hyperbole? Earlier it was "nobody wants the upcoming changes" and now 80% of the game's population is going to leave?

    You have a broken crystal ball and you need to look up the definition of "nobody".

    I get you don't like the game developer but you don't have to spew pseudo-facts to justify your hate. Just say you hate them.

    I don't think i've had to look up a definition for such a simple concept as 'nobody' since i was 12, but feel free to engage your vocabulary if your up to it, i do enjoy a challenge. :p
    Well you don't seem to have gotten it right so I suggest you look it up again.
    Well i was hoping you were going to come up with something a bit more imaginative, perhaps i was being overly optimistic.
    The 'history' of SWG is fairly well documented already, though perhaps for people new to genre it may well be one that is unknown, but the basics are that SOE changed the focus of the game significantly, not btw, in terms of whether the game was P2W or not, it was a P2P game, but they took a game that was a fairly good approximation of a sandbox game, and turned it into a themepark game, very WoW like, things didn't work very well however, and over the period of about a month, they lost over 80% of their playerbase, there is far more to it than i have said, and its a very 'simplified' version of events.
    This is all history though, the last decade or so of which has been very eventful, and studying history is i think far more educational than engaging any purported prescient abilities, i leave that kind of thing to the professionals, such as 'cough' superdata 'cough'.
    :p
    *sigh*

    Let's try again...look at the bunny...focus...look at the bunny...

    You said, "nobody wants the upcoming changes"

    I said, "you need to look up the definition of 'nobody'"

    Still with me? Good. The bunny is slightly up and off to the left in case you've gotten lost.

    You said, "I don't think I've had to look up a definition for such...blah...blah...blah"

    I said, "you don't seem to have gotten it right so I suggest you look it up again"

    Yoo hoo, over here. TL;DR: We are talking about your use of the word nobody.

    no•bod•y

    (ˈnoʊˌbɒd i, -ˌbʌd i, -bə di)

    pron., n., pl. -bod•ies. pron.
      no person; not anyone; no one.

    So unless your beloved "superdata" can show me that not a single person is happy, then your comment is just your usual hyperbole.

    Try to stick with responding to what I said next time and it will save you a lot of embarrassment.



  • Jean-Luc_PicardJean-Luc_Picard Member LegendaryPosts: 8,070
    edited August 2016
    Phry said:
    Phry said:
    Phry said:
    Phry said:
    Doug_B said:
    Whiner gets banned #good
    80% of games population leaves #good ?

    SOE kind of made gaming history with SWG that way, be sad to see this repeated.

    What is it with you and this manufactured hyperbole? Earlier it was "nobody wants the upcoming changes" and now 80% of the game's population is going to leave?

    You have a broken crystal ball and you need to look up the definition of "nobody".

    I get you don't like the game developer but you don't have to spew pseudo-facts to justify your hate. Just say you hate them.

    I don't think i've had to look up a definition for such a simple concept as 'nobody' since i was 12, but feel free to engage your vocabulary if your up to it, i do enjoy a challenge. :p
    Well you don't seem to have gotten it right so I suggest you look it up again.
    Well i was hoping you were going to come up with something a bit more imaginative, perhaps i was being overly optimistic.
    The 'history' of SWG is fairly well documented already, though perhaps for people new to genre it may well be one that is unknown, but the basics are that SOE changed the focus of the game significantly, not btw, in terms of whether the game was P2W or not, it was a P2P game, but they took a game that was a fairly good approximation of a sandbox game, and turned it into a themepark game, very WoW like, things didn't work very well however, and over the period of about a month, they lost over 80% of their playerbase, there is far more to it than i have said, and its a very 'simplified' version of events.
    This is all history though, the last decade or so of which has been very eventful, and studying history is i think far more educational than engaging any purported prescient abilities, i leave that kind of thing to the professionals, such as 'cough' superdata 'cough'.
    :p
    *sigh*

    Let's try again...look at the bunny...focus...look at the bunny...

    You said, "nobody wants the upcoming changes"

    I said, "you need to look up the definition of 'nobody'"

    Still with me? Good. The bunny is slightly up and off to the left in case you've gotten lost.

    You said, "I don't think I've had to look up a definition for such...blah...blah...blah"

    I said, "you don't seem to have gotten it right so I suggest you look it up again"

    Yoo hoo, over here. TL;DR: We are talking about your use of the word nobody.

    no•bod•y

    (ˈnoʊˌbɒd i, -ˌbʌd i, -bə di)

    pron., n., pl. -bod•ies. pron.
      no person; not anyone; no one.

    So unless your beloved "superdata" can show me that not a single person is happy, then your comment is just your usual hyperbole.

    Try to stick with responding to what I said next time and it will save you a lot of embarrassment.




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    After many years of reading Internet forums, there's no doubt that nor does the ability to write.
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  • postlarvalpostlarval Member EpicPosts: 2,003
    Phry said:
    Phry said:
    Phry said:
    Phry said:
    Doug_B said:
    Whiner gets banned #good
    80% of games population leaves #good ?

    SOE kind of made gaming history with SWG that way, be sad to see this repeated.

    What is it with you and this manufactured hyperbole? Earlier it was "nobody wants the upcoming changes" and now 80% of the game's population is going to leave?

    You have a broken crystal ball and you need to look up the definition of "nobody".

    I get you don't like the game developer but you don't have to spew pseudo-facts to justify your hate. Just say you hate them.

    I don't think i've had to look up a definition for such a simple concept as 'nobody' since i was 12, but feel free to engage your vocabulary if your up to it, i do enjoy a challenge. :p
    Well you don't seem to have gotten it right so I suggest you look it up again.
    Well i was hoping you were going to come up with something a bit more imaginative, perhaps i was being overly optimistic.
    The 'history' of SWG is fairly well documented already, though perhaps for people new to genre it may well be one that is unknown, but the basics are that SOE changed the focus of the game significantly, not btw, in terms of whether the game was P2W or not, it was a P2P game, but they took a game that was a fairly good approximation of a sandbox game, and turned it into a themepark game, very WoW like, things didn't work very well however, and over the period of about a month, they lost over 80% of their playerbase, there is far more to it than i have said, and its a very 'simplified' version of events.
    This is all history though, the last decade or so of which has been very eventful, and studying history is i think far more educational than engaging any purported prescient abilities, i leave that kind of thing to the professionals, such as 'cough' superdata 'cough'.
    :p
    *sigh*

    Let's try again...look at the bunny...focus...look at the bunny...

    You said, "nobody wants the upcoming changes"

    I said, "you need to look up the definition of 'nobody'"

    Still with me? Good. The bunny is slightly up and off to the left in case you've gotten lost.

    You said, "I don't think I've had to look up a definition for such...blah...blah...blah"

    I said, "you don't seem to have gotten it right so I suggest you look it up again"

    Yoo hoo, over here. TL;DR: We are talking about your use of the word nobody.

    no•bod•y

    (ˈnoʊˌbɒd i, -ˌbʌd i, -bə di)

    pron., n., pl. -bod•ies. pron.
      no person; not anyone; no one.

    So unless your beloved "superdata" can show me that not a single person is happy, then your comment is just your usual hyperbole.

    Try to stick with responding to what I said next time and it will save you a lot of embarrassment.





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  • LleithLleith Member UncommonPosts: 126
    Phry said:
    Phry said:
    Phry said:
    Doug_B said:
    Whiner gets banned #good
    80% of games population leaves #good ?

    SOE kind of made gaming history with SWG that way, be sad to see this repeated.

    What is it with you and this manufactured hyperbole? Earlier it was "nobody wants the upcoming changes" and now 80% of the game's population is going to leave?

    You have a broken crystal ball and you need to look up the definition of "nobody".

    I get you don't like the game developer but you don't have to spew pseudo-facts to justify your hate. Just say you hate them.

    I don't think i've had to look up a definition for such a simple concept as 'nobody' since i was 12, but feel free to engage your vocabulary if your up to it, i do enjoy a challenge. :p
    Well you don't seem to have gotten it right so I suggest you look it up again.
    Well i was hoping you were going to come up with something a bit more imaginative, perhaps i was being overly optimistic.
    The 'history' of SWG is fairly well documented already, though perhaps for people new to genre it may well be one that is unknown, but the basics are that SOE changed the focus of the game significantly, not btw, in terms of whether the game was P2W or not, it was a P2P game, but they took a game that was a fairly good approximation of a sandbox game, and turned it into a themepark game, very WoW like, things didn't work very well however, and over the period of about a month, they lost over 80% of their playerbase, there is far more to it than i have said, and its a very 'simplified' version of events.
    This is all history though, the last decade or so of which has been very eventful, and studying history is i think far more educational than engaging any purported prescient abilities, i leave that kind of thing to the professionals, such as 'cough' superdata 'cough'.
    :p
    *sigh*

    Let's try again...look at the bunny...focus...look at the bunny...

    You said, "nobody wants the upcoming changes"

    I said, "you need to look up the definition of 'nobody'"

    Still with me? Good. The bunny is slightly up and off to the left in case you've gotten lost.

    You said, "I don't think I've had to look up a definition for such...blah...blah...blah"

    I said, "you don't seem to have gotten it right so I suggest you look it up again"

    Yoo hoo, over here. TL;DR: We are talking about your use of the word nobody.

    no•bod•y

    (ˈnoʊˌbɒd i, -ˌbʌd i, -bə di)

    pron., n., pl. -bod•ies. pron.
      no person; not anyone; no one.

    So unless your beloved "superdata" can show me that not a single person is happy, then your comment is just your usual hyperbole.

    Try to stick with responding to what I said next time and it will save you a lot of embarrassment.


    Wow. That is just tragic. You seem extremely upset - like, way beyond the point of all reason pertaining to the topic at hand. 
  • postlarvalpostlarval Member EpicPosts: 2,003
    Lleith said:
    Phry said:
    Phry said:
    Phry said:
    Doug_B said:
    Whiner gets banned #good
    80% of games population leaves #good ?

    SOE kind of made gaming history with SWG that way, be sad to see this repeated.

    What is it with you and this manufactured hyperbole? Earlier it was "nobody wants the upcoming changes" and now 80% of the game's population is going to leave?

    You have a broken crystal ball and you need to look up the definition of "nobody".

    I get you don't like the game developer but you don't have to spew pseudo-facts to justify your hate. Just say you hate them.

    I don't think i've had to look up a definition for such a simple concept as 'nobody' since i was 12, but feel free to engage your vocabulary if your up to it, i do enjoy a challenge. :p
    Well you don't seem to have gotten it right so I suggest you look it up again.
    Well i was hoping you were going to come up with something a bit more imaginative, perhaps i was being overly optimistic.
    The 'history' of SWG is fairly well documented already, though perhaps for people new to genre it may well be one that is unknown, but the basics are that SOE changed the focus of the game significantly, not btw, in terms of whether the game was P2W or not, it was a P2P game, but they took a game that was a fairly good approximation of a sandbox game, and turned it into a themepark game, very WoW like, things didn't work very well however, and over the period of about a month, they lost over 80% of their playerbase, there is far more to it than i have said, and its a very 'simplified' version of events.
    This is all history though, the last decade or so of which has been very eventful, and studying history is i think far more educational than engaging any purported prescient abilities, i leave that kind of thing to the professionals, such as 'cough' superdata 'cough'.
    :p
    *sigh*

    Let's try again...look at the bunny...focus...look at the bunny...

    You said, "nobody wants the upcoming changes"

    I said, "you need to look up the definition of 'nobody'"

    Still with me? Good. The bunny is slightly up and off to the left in case you've gotten lost.

    You said, "I don't think I've had to look up a definition for such...blah...blah...blah"

    I said, "you don't seem to have gotten it right so I suggest you look it up again"

    Yoo hoo, over here. TL;DR: We are talking about your use of the word nobody.

    no•bod•y

    (ˈnoʊˌbɒd i, -ˌbʌd i, -bə di)

    pron., n., pl. -bod•ies. pron.
      no person; not anyone; no one.

    So unless your beloved "superdata" can show me that not a single person is happy, then your comment is just your usual hyperbole.

    Try to stick with responding to what I said next time and it will save you a lot of embarrassment.


    Wow. That is just tragic. You seem extremely upset - like, way beyond the point of all reason pertaining to the topic at hand. 
    Well, maybe you just don't understand the difference between anger and sarcasm.

    You can always dream though.
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  • Doug_BDoug_B Member UncommonPosts: 153
    I see tons of people playing
    Bachelor's in Web Design and Multimedia
  • NildenNilden Member EpicPosts: 2,912
    Phry said:
    Gdemami said:
    Archlyte said:
    Better to read for whom? I would prefer to be a big boy and filter out things for myself. Guess that makes me a No Lifer by your definition, but I would rather sift through bad opinions than have someone sanitize it for vulcan logic's sake, or to remove all the bad feelings statements to create a safe zone. 

    People who chant Vocal Minority are always putting a collar on the unknown and trying to pull the leash.
    Better to read for anyone looking for factual information and discussion - something I would expect from company running the game and their forums. The forums are there for their customers to discuss the game, not a tool to vent off their frustration.

    I do not see a relation between moderation and "no-lifers", can you enlighten me on that one?


    You mistake moderation of non-constructive posts with moderation of negative feedback. You can still be critical and express your dissatisfaction in constructive, polite manner.


    Vocal minorities are real, sorry.
    By that definition, should we also censor you because your comments are non-constructive, and can easily be defined as being a 'vocal minority' ?


    I'm sure he would support censorship right up to the point where he is being censored.

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  • kitaradkitarad Member EpicPosts: 5,270
    I'll continue playing and I have a very poor view of anyone who charges back after playing this for more than 90 days. So how about actually paying for the time you played.... dishonest.

    I also feel that this charge back rubbish needs to have better rules in place so that people don't cheat companies.

  • PhryPhry Member LegendaryPosts: 11,004
    kitarad said:
    I'll continue playing and I have a very poor view of anyone who charges back after playing this for more than 90 days. So how about actually paying for the time you played.... dishonest.

    I also feel that this charge back rubbish needs to have better rules in place so that people don't cheat companies.
    I don't personally think its a charge back situation, and while i will go back to playing other games more after the changes are made, i am hoping that the game doesn't fall further down the P2W death spiral.
    I don't regret any of the time or the money i have spent on this game, for the time i have played it, it has been awesome, if anything i probably played it far too much, no game has really grabbed my attention in this way since the early days of Everquest, and yes i was one of those people who played Everquest 10+ hours a day.
    As for the rules around charge backs, i think the banks themselves regulate that pretty well, and while there are numerous stories of people having charge backs in various games etc. i wouldn't take them too seriously, i doubt 1/10th of them actually happened B)
  • Jean-Luc_PicardJean-Luc_Picard Member LegendaryPosts: 8,070
    kitarad said:
    I'll continue playing and I have a very poor view of anyone who charges back after playing this for more than 90 days. So how about actually paying for the time you played.... dishonest.

    I also feel that this charge back rubbish needs to have better rules in place so that people don't cheat companies.
    Don't believe all what people say on the web. Charge back isn't that easy, and won't be granted for any stupid reason.
    "The ability to speak doesn't make you intelligent" - Qui-gon Jinn in Star Wars.
    After many years of reading Internet forums, there's no doubt that nor does the ability to write.
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  • LacedOpiumLacedOpium Member EpicPosts: 2,327
    edited August 2016
    kitarad said:
    I'll continue playing and I have a very poor view of anyone who charges back after playing this for more than 90 days. So how about actually paying for the time you played.... dishonest.

    I also feel that this charge back rubbish needs to have better rules in place so that people don't cheat companies.
    Don't believe all what people say on the web. Charge back isn't that easy, and won't be granted for any stupid reason.
    IMHO, given the nature of MMOs, requesting a charge back over a $30 expenditure is a bit over dramatic.  To each their own, of course, but for me, the time and effort wasted to complete the process is more trouble than its worth.  One spends more money on tickets for two to a movie yet charge backs are never requested when the movie results in suckage. And that's just for a couple of hours of entertainment. It's just petty.  Just write it off, move on, and save yourself the headache.

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