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Black Desert censorship veers into the realm of the absurd

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  • craftseekercraftseeker Member RarePosts: 1,740
    TL_Gamer said:
    After skimming through this topic and weeding through all the crap. In the end this topic is no different than any other topic on this matter then you have the vile offenders rubbing it in because the person cannot defend themselves and causing problems. Which even though is totally against rules of any forum somehow there never seems to ever be a problem with that happening, but there is a huge problem with people pointing out that the moderators or whomever is overseeing the site is abusive and unfair..and all anyone says is deal with it..Then all people do is complain when the person you did that too comes back onto the forum totally pissed off and ranting and people act like they have no right to do so and then try to say See this is why they got banned.When in reality they got banned for no reason then people provoked them and now the troublemakers are complaining as if they're the victims when in fact they're the whole problem

    So here is the Deal if the rules on forums cannot be applied to everyone equally then all forums on the internet need to be removed altogether because no one should be allowed to post anything.
    What's really interesting is when people start trying to dictated what they want to be harassment.

    People that call someone a "Known troll" is no different than someone saying F you to someone. Calling someone a TROLL is the equivalent of calling a woman the C word. It's a degrading comment that people like to say is ok to do. On my forum anyone that calls anyone a troll is banned. I don't tolerate people purposely going into people's topics and then starting problems then trying to play victim. If the topic is fine and then all of a sudden becomes a mess then the problem is someone who entered the topic, not the person responding so I remove the troublemakers something that no other forums in existence ever bother doing..they only ever look at the response from the person instead of looking at why the response was given.

    There is way, way, too much of people being allowed to post things others are not allowed to post crap going on. The whole point to a forum is so that everyone has their say, so if some people are going to gets silened and not others even though both are doing the exact same things then forum needs to be completely shut down all together. If certain people cannot post while others can then no one should be allowed to post anything at all. Got a problem with one person then you also are required to have a problem with every other person that does that same exact type of post.. All punishments are required to be exactly the same for everyone..none of this well I'm talking to you or we're looking at your actions crap
    Long rant, but given you say "on my forum" and created your profile today, I really have to ask what forum are you referring to? It seems relevant to know what your agenda is.
  • JinxysJinxys Member UncommonPosts: 483
    So you guys are seriously going to do charge backs over this? I'm still enjoying the game. I couldn't see myself doing a charge back after willingly using their services. That doesn't seem right to me. None of these proposed changes are going to effect how i enjoy the game. No one in my guild seems too phased  with it either. 
  • LleithLleith Member UncommonPosts: 126
    edited August 2016
    Sovrath said:
    Lleith said:
    Sovrath said:
    Lleith said:


    The guy was banned for posting that. Controversial? Sure - but certainly not anywhere near the most vitriolic thing that BDO's forums have seen in the past 48 hours. But the ban hammer came down nonetheless: thread deleted, user bludgeoned into silence.


    Some of you guys really need to grow up. Including that poster.

    Game forums are not places for people to express anything they want, fight injustice, insult the owners, or "just being honest".

    They are there to bring the community together so that the company can support that community for a game it sells.

    The only reason that company has that forum is because of its product.

    that company is not going to want to host angry mobs who are there to cause a negative environment about its product, so of course he was banned.

    You don't like a product or the business model then don't support it. Support a competitor who does what you think are the right things. It's just that simple. But don't expect a business to host dissent on their own virtual property.

    Stop thinking video games are a "right".
    Stop thinking that customers are a field that can be silently farmed. Good developers appreciate that the open exchange of information - even if temporarily hurtful to their business - helps them build credibility amongst the playerbase and builds in flexibility and brand loyalty for the future. 

    You can repeat this "it's their forum, their rules" nonsense as much as you like - because, of course, in the most narrow interpretation imaginable, it is quite true. However, this is the internet - the electronic wild west - and we are western gamers. Our interpretation of this venue is different from many other cultures, and we (most of us) shudder violently at all forms of repression. And, as the massive blowback of this single deleted thread proves, clumsy censorship doesn't even work - it just explodes back in your face.

    It's very easy to defend the "powers that be" - I understand why you're doing it, because the alternative (to fight back) is both difficult and scary. The problem is, the revolution in BDO's back yard has taken hold, and they can ban people all they like, but it isn't going to stop people from making the ultimate expression of free thought: uninstalling the game (and, for many of us, completing a chargeback). You're on the wrong side of history, bud. We win.
    Oh please.

    I repeat what I say. And really? electronic wild west?

    What would I be defending? A company's right to do as they please? Let them.

    There is a reason I don't tell people I play video games and it's precisely because of posts like yours. It casts people who play video games as so "less than", it's like a community of man-boys/girls with their priorities way off.

    and clearly it's not true, there are reasonable successful, stable individuals who play video games like any hobby, be it sports or art or music of "whatever". But every time I see a post like yours I'm reminded how far the hobby has to go.

    I'm not joining this crusade because I actually don't believe in a word you said. Has nothing to do with being difficult. You know what is difficult? Being in a community with members who use the word "revolution" in connection to video games. It's just so trying.

    So yeah, I stand by my post and repeat that if you don't like a company don't support them. It's just that easy. And if the medium continually wallows in behavior that you find reprehensible then find another hobby.

    Kakao (or whatever they are called) can sink or swim by their own actions, they will either satisfy customers or drive them away. I don't really need to be part of a "video game revolution".
    Do you deny that BDO is going down in flames? Obviously (or, at least, to those of us accustomed to expressing ourselves with the English language), the use of 'revolution' was employing colorful terminology rather than literal fact, but you cannot deny that people are quitting in droves over this. In as much as a "revolution" can happen in an MMORPG, what we are seeing over on the BDO forums equates to one.

    Now whether you acknowledge that or not is your choice. Everyone is entitled to stick their head in the sand - the only problem with doing so being that it doesn't change the facts on the ground. And those facts are quite simple: Black Desert is bleeding out. 

    And by the way, nobody would want a stick in the mud like you around during any kind of a revolution regardless - don't flatter yourself: you weren't invited.
  • LleithLleith Member UncommonPosts: 126
    edited August 2016
    Jinxys said:
    So you guys are seriously going to do charge backs over this? I'm still enjoying the game. I couldn't see myself doing a charge back after willingly using their services. That doesn't seem right to me. None of these proposed changes are going to effect how i enjoy the game. No one in my guild seems too phased  with it either. 
    We were sold a bill of goods. Daum repeatedly portrayed their product as a buy-to-play game tailored (because of said initial cost) to meet the needs and expectations of western gamers. Instead, we got to pay for something that all other markets received for free, and then, 5 months in, bor witness to the company reversing course and turning BDO into exactly the type of P2W bizzaro-world they promised we'd never suffer.

    Yes, I initiated my chargeback 2 days ago. In 5 days, I will escalate the claim and, as Daum won't reply, I will receive my money back. I don't care if it's deceitful - so was lying to us. 
  • GdemamiGdemami Member EpicPosts: 11,742
    Lleith said:
    but you cannot deny that people are quitting in droves over this.
    One does not need to since there is no evidence that there are "people quitting in droves".
  • LleithLleith Member UncommonPosts: 126
    Gdemami said:
    Lleith said:
    but you cannot deny that people are quitting in droves over this.
    One does not need to since there is no evidence that there are "people quitting in droves".
    You're a troll. I have nothing further to say to you regarding any topic. Goodbye.
  • Doug_BDoug_B Member UncommonPosts: 153
    It is strange that people would rather fight over weather or not BDO the game gets the money or gold farmers get the money .

    I would much rather have bdo get themoney, cause no matter what, players will use RMT outside of the game.

    With that said all of these chicken little stuff is asinine. The people who are top tier already bought RMT from gold farmers.
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  • SovrathSovrath Member LegendaryPosts: 27,370
    Lleith said:

    Do you deny that BDO is going down in flames? Obviously (or, at least, to those of us accustomed to expressing ourselves with the English language), the use of 'revolution' was employing colorful terminology rather than literal fact, but you cannot deny that people are quitting in droves over this. In as much as a "revolution" can happen in an MMORPG, what we are seeing over on the BDO forums equates to one.

    Now whether you acknowledge that or not is your choice. Everyone is entitled to stick their head in the sand - the only problem with doing so being that it doesn't change the facts on the ground. And those facts are quite simple: Black Desert is bleeding out. 

    And by the way, nobody would want a stick in the mud like you around during any kind of a revolution regardless - don't flatter yourself: you weren't invited.
    I'm currently in game now, there seems to be a healthy population. Probably not as much as launch but that's always to be expected.

    I'm reminded of a company that wrote an article about changing their monetary system to include a cash shop. They said that there was a huge backlash on their forums with people who screamed that they were going to leave in droves.

    After they incorporated their cash shop they noticed that not only were there many users of this cash shop but those who screamed the loudest turned out to be their best customers.

    So I'll take with a grain of salt any outcry of people leaving in droves until I actually see it. Which won't stop me playing as I played Vanguard with only a few thousand people and had a blast.

    As far as I'm concerned you have your head in the sand, you've just chosen a different beach.



  • GdemamiGdemami Member EpicPosts: 11,742
    edited August 2016
    Lleith said:
    witness to the company reversing course and turning BDO into exactly the type of P2W bizzaro-world they promised we'd never suffer.
    You were several times corrected that Daum/Kakao never promised anything you claim they did, yet you still keep repeating that lie - yes, that is an actual lie.

    Second, it is entirely irrelevant.

    They can change their mind any time and that will be all fine. One would need to be seriously dim-witted not to re-consider their past decisions when they do not work out as planned.
  • GhavriggGhavrigg Member RarePosts: 1,308
    edited August 2016
    So I am trying to get a handle on what has the writer of the article so upset, as someone who doesn't actually play. Is it just that people can buy things on the cash shop and put them up for sale in-game for other currency?
  • craftseekercraftseeker Member RarePosts: 1,740
    edited August 2016
    Lleith said:
    Sovrath said:
    Lleith said:
    Sovrath said:
    Lleith said:


    The guy was banned for posting that. Controversial? Sure - but certainly not anywhere near the most vitriolic thing that BDO's forums have seen in the past 48 hours. But the ban hammer came down nonetheless: thread deleted, user bludgeoned into silence.


    Some of you guys really need to grow up. Including that poster.

    Game forums are not places for people to express anything they want, fight injustice, insult the owners, or "just being honest".

    They are there to bring the community together so that the company can support that community for a game it sells.

    The only reason that company has that forum is because of its product.

    that company is not going to want to host angry mobs who are there to cause a negative environment about its product, so of course he was banned.

    You don't like a product or the business model then don't support it. Support a competitor who does what you think are the right things. It's just that simple. But don't expect a business to host dissent on their own virtual property.

    Stop thinking video games are a "right".
    Stop thinking that customers are a field that can be silently farmed. Good developers appreciate that the open exchange of information - even if temporarily hurtful to their business - helps them build credibility amongst the playerbase and builds in flexibility and brand loyalty for the future. 

    You can repeat this "it's their forum, their rules" nonsense as much as you like - because, of course, in the most narrow interpretation imaginable, it is quite true. However, this is the internet - the electronic wild west - and we are western gamers. Our interpretation of this venue is different from many other cultures, and we (most of us) shudder violently at all forms of repression. And, as the massive blowback of this single deleted thread proves, clumsy censorship doesn't even work - it just explodes back in your face.

    It's very easy to defend the "powers that be" - I understand why you're doing it, because the alternative (to fight back) is both difficult and scary. The problem is, the revolution in BDO's back yard has taken hold, and they can ban people all they like, but it isn't going to stop people from making the ultimate expression of free thought: uninstalling the game (and, for many of us, completing a chargeback). You're on the wrong side of history, bud. We win.
    Oh please.

    I repeat what I say. And really? electronic wild west?

    What would I be defending? A company's right to do as they please? Let them.

    There is a reason I don't tell people I play video games and it's precisely because of posts like yours. It casts people who play video games as so "less than", it's like a community of man-boys/girls with their priorities way off.

    and clearly it's not true, there are reasonable successful, stable individuals who play video games like any hobby, be it sports or art or music of "whatever". But every time I see a post like yours I'm reminded how far the hobby has to go.

    I'm not joining this crusade because I actually don't believe in a word you said. Has nothing to do with being difficult. You know what is difficult? Being in a community with members who use the word "revolution" in connection to video games. It's just so trying.

    So yeah, I stand by my post and repeat that if you don't like a company don't support them. It's just that easy. And if the medium continually wallows in behavior that you find reprehensible then find another hobby.

    Kakao (or whatever they are called) can sink or swim by their own actions, they will either satisfy customers or drive them away. I don't really need to be part of a "video game revolution".
    Do you deny that BDO is going down in flames? Obviously (or, at least, to those of us accustomed to expressing ourselves with the English language), the use of 'revolution' was employing colorful terminology rather than literal fact, but you cannot deny that people are quitting in droves over this. In as much as a "revolution" can happen in an MMORPG, what we are seeing over on the BDO forums equates to one.

    Now whether you acknowledge that or not is your choice. Everyone is entitled to stick their head in the sand - the only problem with doing so being that it doesn't change the facts on the ground. And those facts are quite simple: Black Desert is bleeding out. 

    And by the way, nobody would want a stick in the mud like you around during any kind of a revolution regardless - don't flatter yourself: you weren't invited.
    I always get cynical when someone uses the meme 'stick their head in the sand' as it is based on the fallacy that Ostrich's do that, they don't.

    Then we have ' the facts on the ground' with nary an established fact in sight.

    Lots of hyperbole, colorful language, a slur on someone's knowledge of the English language and high emotion. But no facts just opinions.

    The post was in breech of fairly ordinary TOS it got moderated. Banning the user may have been harsh or it may have been based on past behavior or due to attacks on the moderator in private messages. But it was certainly within the companies pervue to make that decision.
  • Jean-Luc_PicardJean-Luc_Picard Member LegendaryPosts: 8,061
    edited August 2016
    Sovrath said:

    So I'll take with a grain of salt any outcry of people leaving in droves until I actually see it. 
    There's no grain of salt involved in the fact that if that patch ever goes live, what will most likely happen, Daum/Kakao/Pearl will never ever get even just a single cent of my money. Neither for this game, nor for any future game they could publish. I've made that oath for a couple of companies before already, and I never broke it.

    I bought some shop stuff before to support them. I would have gladly continued. That is over if they go that route. I will possibly keep on playing, but as a "leech", using bandwidth without paying a cent, since it's perfectly possible with my play style and all I ever bought was cosmetic anyway. I actually intend to steal that gold from the whale by making them buy my wares.
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  • IselinIselin Member LegendaryPosts: 13,112
    It was just an overly emotional sophomoric rant. I guess the internet has brought us to the point where we think of something as "well written" if it's mostly free of spelling mistakes and bad grammar despite the quality of content :)

    I'm not a fan of using cash shops for RMT in this or any other game but that post was a bit over the top.
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  • SovrathSovrath Member LegendaryPosts: 27,370
    edited August 2016
    Sovrath said:

    So I'll take with a grain of salt any outcry of people leaving in droves until I actually see it. 
    There's no grain of salt involved in the fact that if that patch ever goes live, what will most likely happen, Daum/Kakao/Pearl will never ever get even just a single cent of my money. Neither for this game, nor for any future game they could publish. I've made that oath for a couple of companies before already, and I never broke it.

    I bought some shop stuff before to support them. I would have gladly continued. That is over if they go that route. I will possibly keep on playing, but as a "leech", using bandwidth without paying a cent, since it's perfectly possible with my play style and all I ever bought was cosmetic anyway. I actually intend to steal that gold from the whale by making them buy my wares.
    And that's obviously a good way to play. I'm not for people doing things they don't feel comfortable about.

    However, the idea that a large amount or majority feel the way you do or the OP might not be true.

    I'll leave this article for the OP:

    http://www.gamasutra.com/view/news/33371/GDC_2011_Perfecting_The_FreeToPlay_Battlefield_Heroes.php



  • LacedOpiumLacedOpium Member EpicPosts: 2,327
    For me, what i find the most troubling about all of this is that the game was released as B2P.  Had it been released as F2P I would have no problem with this chosen monetary business plan because, to be honest, this has very little impact on my style of play.  

    I think we are all under the understanding that MMOS evolve and change over time.  But it's only been five months for crissakes.  So it becomes transparently obvious now that releasing the game as a B2P was nothing more than a massive cash grab.

    These bait and switch practices by these gaming companies that slowly creep away from an initial business plan in a slow but deliberate drip into full blown cash grabs are getting really old.  It's a deceptive and fraudulent practice that is only permissible in this industry and it needs to stop. Consumers deserve better.

  • SovrathSovrath Member LegendaryPosts: 27,370
    For me, what i find the most troubling about all of this is that the game was released as B2P.  Had it been released as F2P I would have no problem with this chosen monetary business plan because, to be honest, this has very little impact on my style of play.  

    I think we are all under the understanding that MMOS evolve and change over time.  But it's only been five months for crissakes.  So it becomes transparently obvious now that releasing the game as a B2P was nothing more than a massive cash grab.

    These bait and switch practices by these gaming companies that slowly creep away from an initial business plan in a slow but deliberate drip into full blown cash grabs are getting really old.  It's a deceptive and fraudulent practice that is only permissible in this industry and it needs to stop. Consumers deserve better.

    The thing is I always thought they were going to do this.

    I felt the writing was on the wall. At the start of the game people had concerns over this practice. They then said that "because of the concerns of the players they would, for the launch of the game, remove the ability to buy items with cash and put them up for sale in the in game marketplace" (paraphrasing).

    My thought was that if this is in the game that it would eventually come to the game. However, what better way to not drive off potential first time customers then to say they are removing something that some don't like.

    Since games like Aion and Tera allow this it made sense that it would come to Black Desert. The problem is that some players feel like certain things are written in stone with these developers. I don't know why but apparently stuff like this is a huge surprise.

    I think going forward players should just assume anything is possible and either come to terms with it or just don't purchase/patronize these games.



  • GdemamiGdemami Member EpicPosts: 11,742
    For me, what i find the most troubling about all of this is that the game was released as B2P.  Had it been released as F2P I would have no problem with this chosen monetary business plan because, to be honest, this has very little impact on my style of play.  

    I think we are all under the understanding that MMOS evolve and change over time.  But it's only been five months for crissakes.  So it becomes transparently obvious now that releasing the game as a B2P was nothing more than a massive cash grab.

    These bait and switch practices by these gaming companies that slowly creep away from an initial business plan in a slow but deliberate drip into full blown cash grabs are getting really old.  It's a deceptive and fraudulent practice that is only permissible in this industry and it needs to stop. Consumers deserve better.
    I pity people who feel they cannot handle their own purchase decisions...never understood that attitude either.
  • monochrome19monochrome19 Member UncommonPosts: 715
    Glad I got out before shit hit the fan. This is unacceptable.
  • GdemamiGdemami Member EpicPosts: 11,742
    Glad I got out before shit hit the fan. This is unacceptable.
    Apparently it is very acceptable since MMOs are doing this for years....Who cares about facts, right?
  • LacedOpiumLacedOpium Member EpicPosts: 2,327
    Gdemami said:
    For me, what i find the most troubling about all of this is that the game was released as B2P.  Had it been released as F2P I would have no problem with this chosen monetary business plan because, to be honest, this has very little impact on my style of play.  

    I think we are all under the understanding that MMOS evolve and change over time.  But it's only been five months for crissakes.  So it becomes transparently obvious now that releasing the game as a B2P was nothing more than a massive cash grab.

    These bait and switch practices by these gaming companies that slowly creep away from an initial business plan in a slow but deliberate drip into full blown cash grabs are getting really old.  It's a deceptive and fraudulent practice that is only permissible in this industry and it needs to stop. Consumers deserve better.
    I pity people who feel they cannot handle their own purchase decisions...never understood that attitude either.
    Very little people can do about handling their purchase decisions when the product they purchased does a bait and switch to change the product purchased *after* the purchase decisuon was made.
  • GdemamiGdemami Member EpicPosts: 11,742
    edited August 2016
    LacedOpium said:
    Very little people can do about handling their purchase decisions when the product they purchased does a bait and switch to change the product purchased *after* the purchase decisuon was made.
    Understanding that this isn't a case of bait and switch would make a good place to start...

    /shrugs
  • ScorchienScorchien Member LegendaryPosts: 6,884
    edited August 2016
    Gdemami said:
    For me, what i find the most troubling about all of this is that the game was released as B2P.  Had it been released as F2P I would have no problem with this chosen monetary business plan because, to be honest, this has very little impact on my style of play.  

    I think we are all under the understanding that MMOS evolve and change over time.  But it's only been five months for crissakes.  So it becomes transparently obvious now that releasing the game as a B2P was nothing more than a massive cash grab.

    These bait and switch practices by these gaming companies that slowly creep away from an initial business plan in a slow but deliberate drip into full blown cash grabs are getting really old.  It's a deceptive and fraudulent practice that is only permissible in this industry and it needs to stop. Consumers deserve better.
    I pity people who feel they cannot handle their own purchase decisions...never understood that attitude either.
    Very little people can do about handling their purchase decisions when the product they purchased does a bait and switch to change the product purchased *after* the purchase decisuon was made.
    But Laced , thats not true , as was pointed out in the other thread by Kano , they did say before launch that this exact cash shop mechanic could/would be implemented after launch ...

       And , taking that into consideration , i would be surprised if any chargebacks were granted , This information was very clealry stated and availle for any consumer to read , If they took the time to research the product and company before hand ...

      Knowing how PA/Daum business practices were , many here also voiced there concerns before launch , Of course we were attacked ..labled ... reported .. etc .....

      There was no Bait and Switch ... Only foolish consumers who got caught up in the new shiny and didnt research there purchase...


    The info provided by Kano in other thread..
                        If we decide to enable selling Cash Shop Items at a later stage, there will be control mechanisms that will prevent players from heavily profiting and gaining an advantage by repetitively selling Cash Items on the marketplace


    http://forum.blackdesertonline.com/index.php?/topic/8038-pm-diary-22-cash-shop-and-more/



  • Doug_BDoug_B Member UncommonPosts: 153
    this thread is going no where....
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  • LacedOpiumLacedOpium Member EpicPosts: 2,327
    edited August 2016
    Scorchien said:
    Gdemami said:
    For me, what i find the most troubling about all of this is that the game was released as B2P.  Had it been released as F2P I would have no problem with this chosen monetary business plan because, to be honest, this has very little impact on my style of play.  

    I think we are all under the understanding that MMOS evolve and change over time.  But it's only been five months for crissakes.  So it becomes transparently obvious now that releasing the game as a B2P was nothing more than a massive cash grab.

    These bait and switch practices by these gaming companies that slowly creep away from an initial business plan in a slow but deliberate drip into full blown cash grabs are getting really old.  It's a deceptive and fraudulent practice that is only permissible in this industry and it needs to stop. Consumers deserve better.
    I pity people who feel they cannot handle their own purchase decisions...never understood that attitude either.
    Very little people can do about handling their purchase decisions when the product they purchased does a bait and switch to change the product purchased *after* the purchase decisuon was made.
    But Laced , thats not true , as was pointed out in the other thread by Kano , they did say before launch that this exact cash shop mechanic could/would be implemented after launch ...

       And , taking that into consideration , i would be surprised if any chargebacks were granted , This information was very clealry stated and availle for any consumer to read , If they took the time to research the product and company before hand ...

      Knowing how PA/Daum business practices were , many here also voiced there concerns before launch , Of course we were attacked ..labled ... reported .. etc .....

      There was no Bait and Switch ... Only foolish consumers who got caught up in the new shiny and didnt research there purchase...


    The info provided by Kano in other thread..
                        If we decide to enable selling Cash Shop Items at a later stage, there will be control mechanisms that will prevent players from heavily profiting and gaining an advantage by repetitively selling Cash Items on the marketplace


    http://forum.blackdesertonline.com/index.php?/topic/8038-pm-diary-22-cash-shop-and-more/



    The new MMO slogan ...

    "MMOs, the only product in which every consumer is required to do heavy hidden small print online research before making a purchase because the product purchased will, in short order, morph into a totally unrecognizable product than the one purchased."

    Sort of like Cinderella whereas her glam ride turns into a clunker.  Just have to do diligent research to become well informed as to when the virtual clock might turn to 12:00 rendering that shiny new MMO a clunker.
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