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  • GdemamiGdemami Member EpicPosts: 11,742
    edited August 2016
    LacedOpium said:
    The main point of my post was to highlight your desire to paint others as, all of a sudden, haters of the game
    Only one labeling others with "hater" title is you - even in that very same paragraph you are doing that, what an irony.

    I think this little part proved my point rather well, the rest of the post follows the same line...
  • Viper482Viper482 Member EpicPosts: 2,770
    Nilden said:
    Gdemami said:
    Nilden said:
    I'm sorry but censorship is just trash.
    Whole point of forum moderation(censorship) is to get rid of trash posts, precisely like one linked in OP.
    I do this thing called supporting free speech. He wasn't posting anything illegal and just stated an opinion. It's trash to censor it and you are trash for supporting censorship.
    There is always this one...lol. Dude, spend less time gaming and more time educating yourself. If you think freedom of speech is guaranteed on a gaming forum you might need to pick up a book.
    Make MMORPG's Great Again!
  • Viper482Viper482 Member EpicPosts: 2,770
    Phry said:
    Doug_B said:
    Whiner gets banned #good
    80% of games population leaves #good ?

    SOE kind of made gaming history with SWG that way, be sad to see this repeated.
    Anecdotal percentage much?
    Make MMORPG's Great Again!
  • ScorchienScorchien Member LegendaryPosts: 6,884
    Viper482 said:
    Personally tired of the p2w QQ. Find another game if this bothers you so much. Personally I think it is being severely overdramatized. You can only sell 5 things per week from the cash shop. All I see are players with no life QQ about people that do not have as much time to play catching up to them with real life money, citing their "hard work" rofl. No, hard work is what I do every day to earn REAL money that I will use to buy things to sell to you with your FAKE money in the game.

     
       if you think for 1 second that it will stop at 5 you are in for a rude awakening .. within 3 months it will be 8 in 6 it will be 10 .. etc...
  • GdemamiGdemami Member EpicPosts: 11,742
    Viper482 said:
    Phry said:
    Doug_B said:
    Whiner gets banned #good
    80% of games population leaves #good ?

    SOE kind of made gaming history with SWG that way, be sad to see this repeated.
    Anecdotal percentage much?
    80% of 3% isn't much....
  • LacedOpiumLacedOpium Member EpicPosts: 2,327
    Viper482 said:
    Personally tired of the p2w QQ. Find another game if this bothers you so much. Personally I think it is being severely overdramatized. You can only sell 5 things per week from the cash shop. All I see are players with no life QQ about people that do not have as much time to play catching up to them with real life money, citing their "hard work" rofl. No, hard work is what I do every day to earn REAL money that I will use to buy things to sell to you with your FAKE money in the game.

     

    Does the term "slippery slope" carry any significance with you?

    How about the term "give them an inch and they will take a mile?

    I suppose a more telling term would be the one that goes "there is a sucker born every second" ....

    ... for that is the term that no doubt gave birth to that very meaningful term " those who ignore history are doomed to repeat it."  


  • craftseekercraftseeker Member RarePosts: 1,740
    Viper482 said:
    Personally tired of the p2w QQ. Find another game if this bothers you so much. Personally I think it is being severely overdramatized. You can only sell 5 things per week from the cash shop. All I see are players with no life QQ about people that do not have as much time to play catching up to them with real life money, citing their "hard work" rofl. No, hard work is what I do every day to earn REAL money that I will use to buy things to sell to you with your FAKE money in the game.

     

    Does the term "slippery slope" carry any significance with you?

    How about the term "give them an inch and they will take a mile?

    I suppose a more telling term would be the one that goes "there is a sucker born every second" ....

    ... for that is the term that no doubt gave birth to that very meaningful term " those who ignore history are doomed to repeat it."  


    The actual quote is:

    Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it.
    George Santayana from 'The Life of Reason'
    and no it has nothing to do with suckers.
  • LacedOpiumLacedOpium Member EpicPosts: 2,327
    Viper482 said:
    Personally tired of the p2w QQ. Find another game if this bothers you so much. Personally I think it is being severely overdramatized. You can only sell 5 things per week from the cash shop. All I see are players with no life QQ about people that do not have as much time to play catching up to them with real life money, citing their "hard work" rofl. No, hard work is what I do every day to earn REAL money that I will use to buy things to sell to you with your FAKE money in the game.

     

    Does the term "slippery slope" carry any significance with you?

    How about the term "give them an inch and they will take a mile?

    I suppose a more telling term would be the one that goes "there is a sucker born every second" ....

    ... for that is the term that no doubt gave birth to that very meaningful term " those who ignore history are doomed to repeat it."  


    The actual quote is:

    Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it.
    George Santayana from 'The Life of Reason'
    and no it has nothing to do with suckers.

    I didn't mean to quote it in specifics but if you think a quote like "Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it" has nothing to do with suckers then its best that you stick with quoting word for word book knowledge because your common sense is lacking.
  • craftseekercraftseeker Member RarePosts: 1,740
    Viper482 said:
    Personally tired of the p2w QQ. Find another game if this bothers you so much. Personally I think it is being severely overdramatized. You can only sell 5 things per week from the cash shop. All I see are players with no life QQ about people that do not have as much time to play catching up to them with real life money, citing their "hard work" rofl. No, hard work is what I do every day to earn REAL money that I will use to buy things to sell to you with your FAKE money in the game.

     

    Does the term "slippery slope" carry any significance with you?

    How about the term "give them an inch and they will take a mile?

    I suppose a more telling term would be the one that goes "there is a sucker born every second" ....

    ... for that is the term that no doubt gave birth to that very meaningful term " those who ignore history are doomed to repeat it."  


    The actual quote is:

    Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it.
    George Santayana from 'The Life of Reason'
    and no it has nothing to do with suckers.

    I didn't mean to quote it in specifics but if you think a quote like "Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it" has nothing to do with suckers then its best that you stick with quoting word for word book knowledge because your common sense is lacking.
    Perhaps if you read Santayana rather than misquoting him you would understand why you are completely and utterly wrong.
  • LacedOpiumLacedOpium Member EpicPosts: 2,327
    edited August 2016
    Viper482 said:
    Personally tired of the p2w QQ. Find another game if this bothers you so much. Personally I think it is being severely overdramatized. You can only sell 5 things per week from the cash shop. All I see are players with no life QQ about people that do not have as much time to play catching up to them with real life money, citing their "hard work" rofl. No, hard work is what I do every day to earn REAL money that I will use to buy things to sell to you with your FAKE money in the game.

     

    Does the term "slippery slope" carry any significance with you?

    How about the term "give them an inch and they will take a mile?

    I suppose a more telling term would be the one that goes "there is a sucker born every second" ....

    ... for that is the term that no doubt gave birth to that very meaningful term " those who ignore history are doomed to repeat it."  


    The actual quote is:

    Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it.
    George Santayana from 'The Life of Reason'
    and no it has nothing to do with suckers.

    I didn't mean to quote it in specifics but if you think a quote like "Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it" has nothing to do with suckers then its best that you stick with quoting word for word book knowledge because your common sense is lacking.
    Perhaps if you read Santayana rather than misquoting him you would understand why you are completely and utterly wrong.
    The passage in my post wasn't quoted in specific and had nothing to do with the topic of discussion at hand. I merely used it to advance the point being made.  I assure you that had the quote been relevant to the central topic of discussion I would have quoted it in specific and maybe even gone into depth regarding its many variations.  There are many variations to the quote all over the internet.  You can search the quote in google for first hand proof. Something I am sure you did before making your post, yet you could not resist posting and correcting another simply to elevate your own self esteem.

    Case in point ...

    https://www.nationalchurchillmuseum.org/blog/churchill-quote-history/

    ... and there are many others.  But I used this link in specific because its context speaks to how relevant the term is to my post.  To wit ...

    If you weren't so insecure about yourself you would not need to resort to attempting to correct and belittle others about such insignificant passages in an effort to make yourself feel better.  Especially when there exists the potential for it to work against you, as it has befittingly done so in this case.
    Post edited by LacedOpium on
  • observerobserver Member RarePosts: 3,685
    I wouldn't necessarily call it censorship.  Perhaps they just wanted to cut down on all the similar posts.  It's understandable from a moderator's point of view.

    Censorship would be a deliberate intent to silence people.  However, we don't know the motives behind the moderator.
  • LIOKILIOKI Member UncommonPosts: 421
    HAHAHAHAHAH!!
    I only received a 48 hour ban for posting this on their forums:

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  • craftseekercraftseeker Member RarePosts: 1,740
    Viper482 said:
    Personally tired of the p2w QQ. Find another game if this bothers you so much. Personally I think it is being severely overdramatized. You can only sell 5 things per week from the cash shop. All I see are players with no life QQ about people that do not have as much time to play catching up to them with real life money, citing their "hard work" rofl. No, hard work is what I do every day to earn REAL money that I will use to buy things to sell to you with your FAKE money in the game.

     

    Does the term "slippery slope" carry any significance with you?

    How about the term "give them an inch and they will take a mile?

    I suppose a more telling term would be the one that goes "there is a sucker born every second" ....

    ... for that is the term that no doubt gave birth to that very meaningful term " those who ignore history are doomed to repeat it."  


    The actual quote is:

    Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it.
    George Santayana from 'The Life of Reason'
    and no it has nothing to do with suckers.

    I didn't mean to quote it in specifics but if you think a quote like "Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it" has nothing to do with suckers then its best that you stick with quoting word for word book knowledge because your common sense is lacking.
    Perhaps if you read Santayana rather than misquoting him you would understand why you are completely and utterly wrong.
    The passage in my post wasn't quoted in specific and had nothing to do with the topic of discussion at hand. I merely used it to advance the point being made.  I assure you that had the quote been relevant to the central topic of discussion I would have quoted it in specific and maybe even gone into depth regarding its many variations.  There are many variations to the quote all over the internet.  You can search the quote in google for first hand proof. Something I am sure you did before making your post, yet you could not resist posting and correcting another simply to elevate your own self esteem.

    Case in point ...

    https://www.nationalchurchillmuseum.org/blog/churchill-quote-history/

    ... and there are many others.

    If you weren't so insecure about yourself you would not need to resort to correcting and belittle others about such insignificant passages in an effort to make yourself feel better. Since you are so ardent about correcting and belittling others over insignificant word for word book knowledge in an effort to raise your self-esteem, you can do a bit of research on that type of behavior in the area of psychology and it may give you some valuable insight about yourself.  I am sure you will find it interesting and informative. 
    Or perhaps you could go and read Santayana and come to understand why you were wrong rather than engaging in pop psychology.

    BTW, while there may be many variations Santayana's is the original and your misquoting of it talked about the birth of the term. Oh and while I am about it the preceding quote should be 'there is a sucker born every minute' not every second. But that IS nitpicking.
  • AlbatroesAlbatroes Member LegendaryPosts: 6,630
    observer said:
    I wouldn't necessarily call it censorship.  Perhaps they just wanted to cut down on all the similar posts.  It's understandable from a moderator's point of view.

    Censorship would be a deliberate intent to silence people.  However, we don't know the motives behind the moderator.
    Valid point. Many members of the NA/EU tend to suffer from "special snowflake" syndrome, where they think they are the hero that the mmorpg community needs, so rather than their potential opinion being drowned out in a snowstorm they simply make a new thread about the same issue. This forum is not exempt from it.

    But the reality is that the company just does not want it on their forums. Anyone can visit these forums, which people who are somewhat interested in a game tend to look up videos about the game first and check the official forums second. If you see people talking about p2w and it has quite a bit of agreement from the current player base then that has the potential of costing revenue. Most forum rules of companies have a rule that states they can and will delete any posts that are deemed to damage or cost potential revenue to the business. Is it right? That's honestly more subjective than people think because right or wrong depends on the perspective. Gaming community perspective may see it wrong where as from a business perspective its right. Sure the information can be replicated but to be honest, the average gamer doesn't overexert the energy to look up multiple sources about a game. They will usually go to the first two sources I stated earlier and leave it at that.
  • ErdaErda Member UncommonPosts: 211
    I thought it was a very well written post and summarized things in an adult manner (much unlike the rest of the forums in BDO when I played).   It is a shame that he was banned.
  • LacedOpiumLacedOpium Member EpicPosts: 2,327
    edited August 2016
    Viper482 said:
    Personally tired of the p2w QQ. Find another game if this bothers you so much. Personally I think it is being severely overdramatized. You can only sell 5 things per week from the cash shop. All I see are players with no life QQ about people that do not have as much time to play catching up to them with real life money, citing their "hard work" rofl. No, hard work is what I do every day to earn REAL money that I will use to buy things to sell to you with your FAKE money in the game.

     

    Does the term "slippery slope" carry any significance with you?

    How about the term "give them an inch and they will take a mile?

    I suppose a more telling term would be the one that goes "there is a sucker born every second" ....

    ... for that is the term that no doubt gave birth to that very meaningful term " those who ignore history are doomed to repeat it."  


    The actual quote is:

    Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it.
    George Santayana from 'The Life of Reason'
    and no it has nothing to do with suckers.

    I didn't mean to quote it in specifics but if you think a quote like "Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it" has nothing to do with suckers then its best that you stick with quoting word for word book knowledge because your common sense is lacking.
    Perhaps if you read Santayana rather than misquoting him you would understand why you are completely and utterly wrong.
    The passage in my post wasn't quoted in specific and had nothing to do with the topic of discussion at hand. I merely used it to advance the point being made.  I assure you that had the quote been relevant to the central topic of discussion I would have quoted it in specific and maybe even gone into depth regarding its many variations.  There are many variations to the quote all over the internet.  You can search the quote in google for first hand proof. Something I am sure you did before making your post, yet you could not resist posting and correcting another simply to elevate your own self esteem.

    Case in point ...

    https://www.nationalchurchillmuseum.org/blog/churchill-quote-history/

    ... and there are many others.

    If you weren't so insecure about yourself you would not need to resort to correcting and belittle others about such insignificant passages in an effort to make yourself feel better. Since you are so ardent about correcting and belittling others over insignificant word for word book knowledge in an effort to raise your self-esteem, you can do a bit of research on that type of behavior in the area of psychology and it may give you some valuable insight about yourself.  I am sure you will find it interesting and informative. 
    Or perhaps you could go and read Santayana and come to understand why you were wrong rather than engaging in pop psychology.

    BTW, while there may be many variations Santayana's is the original and your misquoting of it talked about the birth of the term. Oh and while I am about it the preceding quote should be 'there is a sucker born every minute' not every second. But that IS nitpicking.

    Perhaps I wasn't trying to quote Santayana's original quote.  I no more misquoted Santayana than quote the dozens, if not hundreds, of other similar quotes used on the internet.  

    Again ... 

    https://www.nationalchurchillmuseum.org/blog/churchill-quote-history/

    ... and there are many others.  But I used this link in specific because its context speaks to how relevant the term is to my post.  To wit ...

    “When the situation was manageable it was neglected, and now that it is thoroughly out of hand we apply too late the remedies which then might have effected a cure. There is nothing new in the story. It is as old as the sibylline books. It falls into that long, dismal catalogue of the fruitlessness of experience and the confirmed unteachability of mankind. Want of foresight, unwillingness to act when action would be simple and effective, lack of clear thinking, confusion of counsel until the emergency comes, until self-preservation strikes its jarring gong–these are the features which constitute the endless repetition of history.”

    That passage is about as relevant as it can get regarding my post and the topic at hand. By the way, this is a gaming forum, not a philosophy, history, or English grammar forum.  No one likes the know-it-all grammar and history forum police types.  All this serves in accomplishing is derailing the central topic at hand.  Do us all a favor and take that mess somewhere else.

  • SovrathSovrath Member LegendaryPosts: 27,349
    edited August 2016
    Lleith said:


    The guy was banned for posting that. Controversial? Sure - but certainly not anywhere near the most vitriolic thing that BDO's forums have seen in the past 48 hours. But the ban hammer came down nonetheless: thread deleted, user bludgeoned into silence.


    Some of you guys really need to grow up. Including that poster.

    Game forums are not places for people to express anything they want, fight injustice, insult the owners, or "just being honest".

    They are there to bring the community together so that the company can support that community for a game it sells.

    The only reason that company has that forum is because of its product.

    that company is not going to want to host angry mobs who are there to cause a negative environment about its product, so of course he was banned.

    You don't like a product or the business model then don't support it. Support a competitor who does what you think are the right things. It's just that simple. But don't expect a business to host dissent on their own virtual property.

    Stop thinking video games are a "right".



  • AnirethAnireth Member UncommonPosts: 939
    edited August 2016
    I don't know whether anything written in the post of this user is true, or his intentions, or the intentions of the moderators. But companies post funny things all the time. Be it features that never see the light of day, patch notes that are simply wrong (missing things on one hand, and the things listed are not as described).

    Many also complaing about people running away with the money they got from Kickstarter. The Allods team went so far as to moderate their subreddit for "P2W". A subreddit is not owned by the company the topic is about, nor is it even an official presence like Facebook or Twitter.

    Or look at Star Citizien. Might one day be the best game that ever was, and technically it might be still on track, but with so many changes of direction, contradictory statements, shoddy post by people in official capacity and missing the original launch by years with no end in sight..

    Some developers also used the term "P2W" themselves. Here is an example from Homefront:
    http://www.gamespot.com/articles/homefront-the-revolution-will-have-at-least-a-year/1100-6434165/?ftag=GSS-05-10aaa0b

    So "P2W" is basically whatever you want it to mean according to many year, so his statement was basically hot air. Why is no one here talking about that, if using the term "P2W" is an issue? Why does the user over at the Black Desert forum deserve a ban for it, but developers are free to use it to promote their game?

    Another example: The Blade & Soul team cherry picked what they were talking about when comparing versions. Like, when they introduced the Silverfrost weapons, they also had the system in place that an upgrade had a chance to reset your gem slots.

    They talked long about how you could get gem hammers everywhere so it wouldn't be an issue that you had to reopen the gem slots etc, but completely left out that they did away with exactly that in the NA/EU version.

    Yes, people in Asia where sitting on piles of Gem Hammers wishing they could do something with them, but in NA/EU, they were really rare, i think out of 20 chars that i know (across 8 players or so) that got to max level and completed the story, we had like 5 gem hammers (played up to and including the Vengeance breaks update) And you needed several per slot, while upgrading your weapon coud cost you all (4-6) slots.

    Why is this okay,but players not writing posts that are up to academic standards is not?

    So the guy might have been wrong, who cares, companies should be held to a higher standard than private persons. As long as companies do stuff like the above, his post was perfectly fine.

    And banning him? At most the topic should have been moved to "Off-topic" and a mod asking people to stay civilized (if necessary). At best a community manager would have found some time to actually do some managing instead of only rehashing stuff that should be found on the official page and in the forum (maintenance status, announcing ingame events).

    To be clear: They were completey in their right to do as they see fit, but that doesn't make it any less stupid or wrong from a objective point of view.

    I'll wait to the day's end when the moon is high
    And then I'll rise with the tide with a lust for life, I'll
    Amass an army, and we'll harness a horde
    And then we'll limp across the land until we stand at the shore

  • craftseekercraftseeker Member RarePosts: 1,740
    Viper482 said:
    Personally tired of the p2w QQ. Find another game if this bothers you so much. Personally I think it is being severely overdramatized. You can only sell 5 things per week from the cash shop. All I see are players with no life QQ about people that do not have as much time to play catching up to them with real life money, citing their "hard work" rofl. No, hard work is what I do every day to earn REAL money that I will use to buy things to sell to you with your FAKE money in the game.

     

    Does the term "slippery slope" carry any significance with you?

    How about the term "give them an inch and they will take a mile?

    I suppose a more telling term would be the one that goes "there is a sucker born every second" ....

    ... for that is the term that no doubt gave birth to that very meaningful term " those who ignore history are doomed to repeat it."  


    The actual quote is:

    Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it.
    George Santayana from 'The Life of Reason'
    and no it has nothing to do with suckers.

    I didn't mean to quote it in specifics but if you think a quote like "Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it" has nothing to do with suckers then its best that you stick with quoting word for word book knowledge because your common sense is lacking.
    Perhaps if you read Santayana rather than misquoting him you would understand why you are completely and utterly wrong.
    The passage in my post wasn't quoted in specific and had nothing to do with the topic of discussion at hand. I merely used it to advance the point being made.  I assure you that had the quote been relevant to the central topic of discussion I would have quoted it in specific and maybe even gone into depth regarding its many variations.  There are many variations to the quote all over the internet.  You can search the quote in google for first hand proof. Something I am sure you did before making your post, yet you could not resist posting and correcting another simply to elevate your own self esteem.

    Case in point ...

    https://www.nationalchurchillmuseum.org/blog/churchill-quote-history/

    ... and there are many others.

    If you weren't so insecure about yourself you would not need to resort to correcting and belittle others about such insignificant passages in an effort to make yourself feel better. Since you are so ardent about correcting and belittling others over insignificant word for word book knowledge in an effort to raise your self-esteem, you can do a bit of research on that type of behavior in the area of psychology and it may give you some valuable insight about yourself.  I am sure you will find it interesting and informative. 
    Or perhaps you could go and read Santayana and come to understand why you were wrong rather than engaging in pop psychology.

    BTW, while there may be many variations Santayana's is the original and your misquoting of it talked about the birth of the term. Oh and while I am about it the preceding quote should be 'there is a sucker born every minute' not every second. But that IS nitpicking.

    Perhaps I wasn't trying to quote Santayana's original quote.  I no more misquoted Santayana than quote the dozens, if not hundreds, of other similar quotes used on the internet.  

    Again ... 

    https://www.nationalchurchillmuseum.org/blog/churchill-quote-history/

    ... and there are many others.  But I used this link in specific because its context speaks to how relevant the term is to my post.  To wit ...

    “When the situation was manageable it was neglected, and now that it is thoroughly out of hand we apply too late the remedies which then might have effected a cure. There is nothing new in the story. It is as old as the sibylline books. It falls into that long, dismal catalogue of the fruitlessness of experience and the confirmed unteachability of mankind. Want of foresight, unwillingness to act when action would be simple and effective, lack of clear thinking, confusion of counsel until the emergency comes, until self-preservation strikes its jarring gong–these are the features which constitute the endless repetition of history.”

    That passage is about as relevant as it can get regarding my post and the topic at hand. By the way, this is a gaming forum, not a philosophy or history forum.  No one likes the know-it-all grammar and history forum police types.  All this serves in accomplishing is derailing the central topic at hand.  Do us all a favor and take that mess somewhere else.

    Or you could just climb down from your high horse and admit you made a mistake and go on with life. After all a quote from an early twentieth century Spanish philosopher has no connection with a glib comment made in the mid nineteenth century by a U.S. showman.
  • LacedOpiumLacedOpium Member EpicPosts: 2,327
    edited August 2016
    Viper482 said:
    Personally tired of the p2w QQ. Find another game if this bothers you so much. Personally I think it is being severely overdramatized. You can only sell 5 things per week from the cash shop. All I see are players with no life QQ about people that do not have as much time to play catching up to them with real life money, citing their "hard work" rofl. No, hard work is what I do every day to earn REAL money that I will use to buy things to sell to you with your FAKE money in the game.

     

    Does the term "slippery slope" carry any significance with you?

    How about the term "give them an inch and they will take a mile?

    I suppose a more telling term would be the one that goes "there is a sucker born every second" ....

    ... for that is the term that no doubt gave birth to that very meaningful term " those who ignore history are doomed to repeat it."  


    The actual quote is:

    Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it.
    George Santayana from 'The Life of Reason'
    and no it has nothing to do with suckers.

    I didn't mean to quote it in specifics but if you think a quote like "Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it" has nothing to do with suckers then its best that you stick with quoting word for word book knowledge because your common sense is lacking.
    Perhaps if you read Santayana rather than misquoting him you would understand why you are completely and utterly wrong.
    The passage in my post wasn't quoted in specific and had nothing to do with the topic of discussion at hand. I merely used it to advance the point being made.  I assure you that had the quote been relevant to the central topic of discussion I would have quoted it in specific and maybe even gone into depth regarding its many variations.  There are many variations to the quote all over the internet.  You can search the quote in google for first hand proof. Something I am sure you did before making your post, yet you could not resist posting and correcting another simply to elevate your own self esteem.

    Case in point ...

    https://www.nationalchurchillmuseum.org/blog/churchill-quote-history/

    ... and there are many others.

    If you weren't so insecure about yourself you would not need to resort to correcting and belittle others about such insignificant passages in an effort to make yourself feel better. Since you are so ardent about correcting and belittling others over insignificant word for word book knowledge in an effort to raise your self-esteem, you can do a bit of research on that type of behavior in the area of psychology and it may give you some valuable insight about yourself.  I am sure you will find it interesting and informative. 
    Or perhaps you could go and read Santayana and come to understand why you were wrong rather than engaging in pop psychology.

    BTW, while there may be many variations Santayana's is the original and your misquoting of it talked about the birth of the term. Oh and while I am about it the preceding quote should be 'there is a sucker born every minute' not every second. But that IS nitpicking.

    Perhaps I wasn't trying to quote Santayana's original quote.  I no more misquoted Santayana than quote the dozens, if not hundreds, of other similar quotes used on the internet.  

    Again ... 

    https://www.nationalchurchillmuseum.org/blog/churchill-quote-history/

    ... and there are many others.  But I used this link in specific because its context speaks to how relevant the term is to my post.  To wit ...

    “When the situation was manageable it was neglected, and now that it is thoroughly out of hand we apply too late the remedies which then might have effected a cure. There is nothing new in the story. It is as old as the sibylline books. It falls into that long, dismal catalogue of the fruitlessness of experience and the confirmed unteachability of mankind. Want of foresight, unwillingness to act when action would be simple and effective, lack of clear thinking, confusion of counsel until the emergency comes, until self-preservation strikes its jarring gong–these are the features which constitute the endless repetition of history.”

    That passage is about as relevant as it can get regarding my post and the topic at hand. By the way, this is a gaming forum, not a philosophy or history forum.  No one likes the know-it-all grammar and history forum police types.  All this serves in accomplishing is derailing the central topic at hand.  Do us all a favor and take that mess somewhere else.

    Or you could just climb down from your high horse and admit you made a mistake and go on with life. After all a quote from an early twentieth century Spanish philosopher has no connection with a glib comment made in the mid nineteenth century by a U.S. showman.

    Dude, relax.

    The use of the quotes where posted in passing and simply in an attempt to make a point.  I obviously made no effort in posting the quotes in accurate specificity because that was of obvious importance to no one other than one with a hair up in a dark place.  

    Scratch it and move on.
  • MisterZebubMisterZebub Member LegendaryPosts: 3,584

    "You have kept me at your beck and call for fifteen years. I shall never again do what you demand of me. By every rule of single combat, from this moment your life belongs to me. Is that not correct? Then I shall simply declare you dead. In all of your dealings with me, you'll do me the courtesy to conduct yourself as a dead man. I have submitted to your notions of honor long enough. You will now submit to mine."

  • craftseekercraftseeker Member RarePosts: 1,740
    Viper482 said:
    Personally tired of the p2w QQ. Find another game if this bothers you so much. Personally I think it is being severely overdramatized. You can only sell 5 things per week from the cash shop. All I see are players with no life QQ about people that do not have as much time to play catching up to them with real life money, citing their "hard work" rofl. No, hard work is what I do every day to earn REAL money that I will use to buy things to sell to you with your FAKE money in the game.

     

    Does the term "slippery slope" carry any significance with you?

    How about the term "give them an inch and they will take a mile?

    I suppose a more telling term would be the one that goes "there is a sucker born every second" ....

    ... for that is the term that no doubt gave birth to that very meaningful term " those who ignore history are doomed to repeat it."  


    The actual quote is:

    Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it.
    George Santayana from 'The Life of Reason'
    and no it has nothing to do with suckers.

    I didn't mean to quote it in specifics but if you think a quote like "Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it" has nothing to do with suckers then its best that you stick with quoting word for word book knowledge because your common sense is lacking.
    Perhaps if you read Santayana rather than misquoting him you would understand why you are completely and utterly wrong.
    The passage in my post wasn't quoted in specific and had nothing to do with the topic of discussion at hand. I merely used it to advance the point being made.  I assure you that had the quote been relevant to the central topic of discussion I would have quoted it in specific and maybe even gone into depth regarding its many variations.  There are many variations to the quote all over the internet.  You can search the quote in google for first hand proof. Something I am sure you did before making your post, yet you could not resist posting and correcting another simply to elevate your own self esteem.

    Case in point ...

    https://www.nationalchurchillmuseum.org/blog/churchill-quote-history/

    ... and there are many others.

    If you weren't so insecure about yourself you would not need to resort to correcting and belittle others about such insignificant passages in an effort to make yourself feel better. Since you are so ardent about correcting and belittling others over insignificant word for word book knowledge in an effort to raise your self-esteem, you can do a bit of research on that type of behavior in the area of psychology and it may give you some valuable insight about yourself.  I am sure you will find it interesting and informative. 
    Or perhaps you could go and read Santayana and come to understand why you were wrong rather than engaging in pop psychology.

    BTW, while there may be many variations Santayana's is the original and your misquoting of it talked about the birth of the term. Oh and while I am about it the preceding quote should be 'there is a sucker born every minute' not every second. But that IS nitpicking.

    Perhaps I wasn't trying to quote Santayana's original quote.  I no more misquoted Santayana than quote the dozens, if not hundreds, of other similar quotes used on the internet.  

    Again ... 

    https://www.nationalchurchillmuseum.org/blog/churchill-quote-history/

    ... and there are many others.  But I used this link in specific because its context speaks to how relevant the term is to my post.  To wit ...

    “When the situation was manageable it was neglected, and now that it is thoroughly out of hand we apply too late the remedies which then might have effected a cure. There is nothing new in the story. It is as old as the sibylline books. It falls into that long, dismal catalogue of the fruitlessness of experience and the confirmed unteachability of mankind. Want of foresight, unwillingness to act when action would be simple and effective, lack of clear thinking, confusion of counsel until the emergency comes, until self-preservation strikes its jarring gong–these are the features which constitute the endless repetition of history.”

    That passage is about as relevant as it can get regarding my post and the topic at hand. By the way, this is a gaming forum, not a philosophy or history forum.  No one likes the know-it-all grammar and history forum police types.  All this serves in accomplishing is derailing the central topic at hand.  Do us all a favor and take that mess somewhere else.

    Or you could just climb down from your high horse and admit you made a mistake and go on with life. After all a quote from an early twentieth century Spanish philosopher has no connection with a glib comment made in the mid nineteenth century by a U.S. showman.

    Dude, relax.

    The use of the quotes where posted in passing and simply in an attempt to make a point.  I obviously made no effort in posting the quotes in accurate specificity because that was of obvious importance to no one other than one with a hair up in a dark place.  

    Scratch it and move on.
    I think it is evident from your posts that both the hair and the dark place belong to you. I am quite relaxed indeed I am amused by your attempts to twist things around. An admission of error would be nice but I expect that this is as close as you are going to get.
  • blueturtle13blueturtle13 Member LegendaryPosts: 11,830

    거북이는 목을 내밀 때 안 움직입니다












  • LacedOpiumLacedOpium Member EpicPosts: 2,327
    edited August 2016
    Viper482 said:
    Personally tired of the p2w QQ. Find another game if this bothers you so much. Personally I think it is being severely overdramatized. You can only sell 5 things per week from the cash shop. All I see are players with no life QQ about people that do not have as much time to play catching up to them with real life money, citing their "hard work" rofl. No, hard work is what I do every day to earn REAL money that I will use to buy things to sell to you with your FAKE money in the game.

     

    Does the term "slippery slope" carry any significance with you?

    How about the term "give them an inch and they will take a mile?

    I suppose a more telling term would be the one that goes "there is a sucker born every second" ....

    ... for that is the term that no doubt gave birth to that very meaningful term " those who ignore history are doomed to repeat it."  


    The actual quote is:

    Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it.
    George Santayana from 'The Life of Reason'
    and no it has nothing to do with suckers.

    I didn't mean to quote it in specifics but if you think a quote like "Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it" has nothing to do with suckers then its best that you stick with quoting word for word book knowledge because your common sense is lacking.
    Perhaps if you read Santayana rather than misquoting him you would understand why you are completely and utterly wrong.
    The passage in my post wasn't quoted in specific and had nothing to do with the topic of discussion at hand. I merely used it to advance the point being made.  I assure you that had the quote been relevant to the central topic of discussion I would have quoted it in specific and maybe even gone into depth regarding its many variations.  There are many variations to the quote all over the internet.  You can search the quote in google for first hand proof. Something I am sure you did before making your post, yet you could not resist posting and correcting another simply to elevate your own self esteem.

    Case in point ...

    https://www.nationalchurchillmuseum.org/blog/churchill-quote-history/

    ... and there are many others.

    If you weren't so insecure about yourself you would not need to resort to correcting and belittle others about such insignificant passages in an effort to make yourself feel better. Since you are so ardent about correcting and belittling others over insignificant word for word book knowledge in an effort to raise your self-esteem, you can do a bit of research on that type of behavior in the area of psychology and it may give you some valuable insight about yourself.  I am sure you will find it interesting and informative. 
    Or perhaps you could go and read Santayana and come to understand why you were wrong rather than engaging in pop psychology.

    BTW, while there may be many variations Santayana's is the original and your misquoting of it talked about the birth of the term. Oh and while I am about it the preceding quote should be 'there is a sucker born every minute' not every second. But that IS nitpicking.

    Perhaps I wasn't trying to quote Santayana's original quote.  I no more misquoted Santayana than quote the dozens, if not hundreds, of other similar quotes used on the internet.  

    Again ... 

    https://www.nationalchurchillmuseum.org/blog/churchill-quote-history/

    ... and there are many others.  But I used this link in specific because its context speaks to how relevant the term is to my post.  To wit ...

    “When the situation was manageable it was neglected, and now that it is thoroughly out of hand we apply too late the remedies which then might have effected a cure. There is nothing new in the story. It is as old as the sibylline books. It falls into that long, dismal catalogue of the fruitlessness of experience and the confirmed unteachability of mankind. Want of foresight, unwillingness to act when action would be simple and effective, lack of clear thinking, confusion of counsel until the emergency comes, until self-preservation strikes its jarring gong–these are the features which constitute the endless repetition of history.”

    That passage is about as relevant as it can get regarding my post and the topic at hand. By the way, this is a gaming forum, not a philosophy or history forum.  No one likes the know-it-all grammar and history forum police types.  All this serves in accomplishing is derailing the central topic at hand.  Do us all a favor and take that mess somewhere else.

    Or you could just climb down from your high horse and admit you made a mistake and go on with life. After all a quote from an early twentieth century Spanish philosopher has no connection with a glib comment made in the mid nineteenth century by a U.S. showman.

    Dude, relax.

    The use of the quotes where posted in passing and simply in an attempt to make a point.  I obviously made no effort in posting the quotes in accurate specificity because that was of obvious importance to no one other than one with a hair up in a dark place.  

    Scratch it and move on.
    I think it is evident from your posts that both the hair and the dark place belong to you. I am quite relaxed indeed I am amused by your attempts to twist things around. An admission of error would be nice but I expect that this is as close as you are going to get.

    Only the truly pompous, obnoxious, and petty would be craving for an admission of error over such nonsense as the vague passing of quotes and grammar totally irrelevant to the thread topic at hand.

    Congrats.


    Post edited by LacedOpium on
  • MukeMuke Member RarePosts: 2,614
    Nilden said:

    I think what your saying is garbage but I support your right to say it.
    There is no such thing as free speech on a company owned forum in a other country.

    Every country has it's own laws.

    And if you can say all you want in yours without consequences, once you cross the borders your laws don't mean anything anymore.


    "going into arguments with idiots is a lost cause, it requires you to stoop down to their level and you can't win"

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