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Black Desert gone HARD p2w! (Cash shop Items, available at Market Place next week)

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  • DragnelusDragnelus Member EpicPosts: 3,110
    Phry said:
    Feels like a massive kick in the teeth tbh :(

    'J Geils Band - Centerfold' moment.
    I guess it really is all downhill from here  >:)
    Aye.
    Thankfully, WoW:Legion comes soon, and the invasions start next week along with Demon Hunter.
    And Blizzard never ever disappointed me that way. And they will never.

    This said, there's a massive uprising on the BDO forums in the thread about that. Be sure to post your disagreement. It's NOT live yet. Maybe seeing it's not an uprising, but rather a major riot, they will change their mind?
    I've got the feeling Daum EU cares but kakoa in kr is like show me the money and dont care about how we feel and their way is absolute.

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  • Jean-Luc_PicardJean-Luc_Picard Member LegendaryPosts: 8,061
    Dragnelus said:
    Phry said:
    Feels like a massive kick in the teeth tbh :(

    'J Geils Band - Centerfold' moment.
    I guess it really is all downhill from here  >:)
    Aye.
    Thankfully, WoW:Legion comes soon, and the invasions start next week along with Demon Hunter.
    And Blizzard never ever disappointed me that way. And they will never.

    This said, there's a massive uprising on the BDO forums in the thread about that. Be sure to post your disagreement. It's NOT live yet. Maybe seeing it's not an uprising, but rather a major riot, they will change their mind?
    I've got the feeling Daum EU cares but kakoa in kr is like show me the money and dont care about how we feel and their way is absolute.
    Well, if you look at that thread, growing by like 1 page per minute, they better care, or they will soon lose the majority of the people who pay for the game.

    I'm quite used to "disagreement with developer" threads, and honestly, I've rarely seen a shitstorm like that. And each time I've seen one, it ended very badly for the development company.
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  • p89989p89989 Member UncommonPosts: 10
    edited August 2016
    i wouldn't be surprised if they went free 2 play in a few months after this
  • DMKanoDMKano Member LegendaryPosts: 21,578
    This is completely expected as KR allows this and players selling cash shop items is the #1 source of revenue. 

    Kakao got their box sales, they got their cash shop revenue and then subscription but they just need more income to keep the game running in the west.

    This will bring in more money than subs and all cash shop sales combined so far.

    Smart move for Kakao and PA.

    Also great news for us that have a ton of silver and can buy items without spending money. 
  • coretex666coretex666 Member EpicPosts: 3,642
    DMKano said:
    This is completely expected as KR allows this and players selling cash shop items is the #1 source of revenue. 

    Kakao got their box sales, they got their cash shop revenue and then subscription but they just need more income to keep the game running in the west.

    This will bring in more money than subs and all cash shop sales combined so far.

    Smart move for Kakao and PA.

    Also great news for us that have a ton of silver and can buy items without spending money. 
    "Great news" is a surprising position.
  • PhryPhry Member LegendaryPosts: 11,004
    Phry said:
    Feels like a massive kick in the teeth tbh :(

    'J Geils Band - Centerfold' moment.
    I guess it really is all downhill from here  >:)
    Aye.
    Thankfully, WoW:Legion comes soon, and the invasions start next week along with Demon Hunter. Blizzard never ever disappointed me that way. And they never will.

    This said, there's a massive uprising on the BDO forums in the thread about that. Be sure to post your disagreement. It's NOT live yet. Maybe seeing it's not an uprising, but rather a major riot, they will change their mind?
    I'll give it a try, the thing that concerns me is that its just one small step away from allowing direct trading between players, and once that happens, the game is effectively finished and becomes a gold farmers paradise.
    BDO has so much promise, for it to end this way would be an utter travesty. :3
  • holdenhamletholdenhamlet Member EpicPosts: 3,756
    edited August 2016
    kitarad said:
    Oh I understand it now . Never saw it until you guys explained but what BiS gear is available in the market right now do they sell the fully +15 and beyond in the marketplace?
    No, they don't, but what people will do is sell a costume in the marketplace and use that money to buy gear.

    Up until this point there was no realistic way to convert dollars to silver.

    I read in Korea that costumes go for 70 million in the marketplace.  That's at least two +15 pieces for $30.

    If people sell 5 of them a week, that's an extra 350 million they have out of thin air every week.  And to whales, 5x$30 is nothing.

    Good luck to anyone still playing trying to compete against people that have an extra 1.3 billion silver a month on top of whatever they earn in game.
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  • p4ttythep3rf3ctp4ttythep3rf3ct Member UncommonPosts: 183
    Did CU just win?

    That's just, like, my opinion, man.

  • Jean-Luc_PicardJean-Luc_Picard Member LegendaryPosts: 8,061
    Phry said:
    Phry said:
    Feels like a massive kick in the teeth tbh :(

    'J Geils Band - Centerfold' moment.
    I guess it really is all downhill from here  >:)
    Aye.
    Thankfully, WoW:Legion comes soon, and the invasions start next week along with Demon Hunter. Blizzard never ever disappointed me that way. And they never will.

    This said, there's a massive uprising on the BDO forums in the thread about that. Be sure to post your disagreement. It's NOT live yet. Maybe seeing it's not an uprising, but rather a major riot, they will change their mind?
    I'll give it a try, the thing that concerns me is that its just one small step away from allowing direct trading between players, and once that happens, the game is effectively finished and becomes a gold farmers paradise.
    BDO has so much promise, for it to end this way would be an utter travesty. :3
    It all depends on the prices, I think.
    We'll see.

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  • DMKanoDMKano Member LegendaryPosts: 21,578
    DMKano said:
    This is completely expected as KR allows this and players selling cash shop items is the #1 source of revenue. 

    Kakao got their box sales, they got their cash shop revenue and then subscription but they just need more income to keep the game running in the west.

    This will bring in more money than subs and all cash shop sales combined so far.

    Smart move for Kakao and PA.

    Also great news for us that have a ton of silver and can buy items without spending money. 
    "Great news" is a surprising position.
    DMKano said:
    This is completely expected as KR allows this and players selling cash shop items is the #1 source of revenue. 

    Kakao got their box sales, they got their cash shop revenue and then subscription but they just need more income to keep the game running in the west.

    This will bring in more money than subs and all cash shop sales combined so far.

    Smart move for Kakao and PA.

    Also great news for us that have a ton of silver and can buy items without spending money. 
    "Great news" is a surprising position.

    From a developer standpoint this will generate a huge amount of revenue.

    The attrition players have already paid so Kakao have that money already.

    Just look at it from business perspective and not player perspective  

    The next thing they need to do is merge the servers into 1 NA 20 channel and 1 EU 20 channel cluster  

    They tried to avoid cash shop to in game currency transfer, but it just didn't work out.

    I can only speak for myself I saved a ton of silver for this exact event - will fibally be able to get some pearl store items withour spending any cash.

  • CopperfieldCopperfield Member UncommonPosts: 602
    i think its just better to be able to buy silver/gold ingame and be done with it
  • DMKanoDMKano Member LegendaryPosts: 21,578
    Dragnelus said:
    Phry said:
    Feels like a massive kick in the teeth tbh :(

    'J Geils Band - Centerfold' moment.
    I guess it really is all downhill from here  >:)
    Aye.
    Thankfully, WoW:Legion comes soon, and the invasions start next week along with Demon Hunter.
    And Blizzard never ever disappointed me that way. And they will never.

    This said, there's a massive uprising on the BDO forums in the thread about that. Be sure to post your disagreement. It's NOT live yet. Maybe seeing it's not an uprising, but rather a major riot, they will change their mind?
    I've got the feeling Daum EU cares but kakoa in kr is like show me the money and dont care about how we feel and their way is absolute.

    They are a business first and foremost - they have a responsibility to keep it profitable and as long as no laws are broken - make as much money as they can.

    If some portion of the customers feel bad but they end up making more money - is this not what any profit driven business would do?

    The players have a choice to play or not, it ends there - the players have zero say in how any game company makes money.

  • AlbatroesAlbatroes Member LegendaryPosts: 6,631
    Archeage!
  • PhryPhry Member LegendaryPosts: 11,004
    kitarad said:
    Oh I understand it now . Never saw it until you guys explained but what BiS gear is available in the market right now do they sell the fully +15 and beyond in the marketplace?
    No, they don't, but what people will do is sell a costume in the marketplace and use that money to buy gear.

    Up until this point there was no realistic way to convert dollars to silver.

    I read in Korea that costumes go for 70 million in the marketplace.  That's at least two +15 pieces for $30.

    If people sell 5 of them a week, that's an extra 350 million they have out of thin air every week.  And to whales, 5x$30 is nothing.

    Good luck to anyone still playing against people that have an extra 1.3 billion silver a month on top of whatever they earn in game.
    I recently upgraded a yuria weapon from +15 to PRI, it doubled the value practically, from 30m to 50m silver, the TET weapons literally go for over 400m silver, but they give a huge advantage, for people just to buy them, will be 'buying the win' its just so wrong
    The fall out from this could well be the equivalent of what happened with SWG's NGE.
    Daum bought a huge amount of popularity through keeping the P2W factors out of the game, along with the RMT'ers, perhaps we were wrong to expect them to keep that ethic.
    Honestly i thought they were making enough profit already from the cash shop, particularly when you factor in the 'monthly' item you could buy that gives QoL benefits, which was effectively a 'subscription' option.
    This however just smacks of being a short term'ist cash grab mentality, and to hell with the long term prospect for the game.
    The failness is way beyond epic at this point. I just wish this wasn't happening in a game i was so heavily involved with.
  • MardukkMardukk Member RarePosts: 2,213
    This sure as hell isn't gonna make them money.  The majority of their playerbase is going to quit.
  • observerobserver Member RarePosts: 3,685
    DMKano said:
    This is completely expected as KR allows this and players selling cash shop items is the #1 source of revenue. 

    Kakao got their box sales, they got their cash shop revenue and then subscription but they just need more income to keep the game running in the west.

    This will bring in more money than subs and all cash shop sales combined so far.

    Smart move for Kakao and PA.

    Also great news for us that have a ton of silver and can buy items without spending money. 
    Yeah, i'm kind of confused here.  I don't understand why people would be against this.  It's just another alternative method of acquiring items.
  • ReizlaReizla Member RarePosts: 4,079
    I've had discussions with my guild at launch that this would happen within half a year. Not everyone is willing to pay €30 for a costume and that 5% of the players that are whales are willing but didn't because they could not sell them in-game. Looks like the first start into real P2W has been made and P2W cash shop items as they appear in KR/RU will follow soon...

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  • holdenhamletholdenhamlet Member EpicPosts: 3,756
    Mardukk said:
    This sure as hell isn't gonna make them money.  The majority of their playerbase is going to quit.
    They are also going to lose a lot of money.  Many people will be doing chargebacks.
  • observerobserver Member RarePosts: 3,685
    Mardukk said:
    This sure as hell isn't gonna make them money.  The majority of their playerbase is going to quit.
    They are also going to lose a lot of money.  Many people will be doing chargebacks.
    All they would need to do is go F2P.  Their playerbase would triple overnight.  It won't necessarily mean more profits, but it's still an alternative option for them.
  • PhryPhry Member LegendaryPosts: 11,004
    Mardukk said:
    This sure as hell isn't gonna make them money.  The majority of their playerbase is going to quit.
    I can't speak for others, but if this goes ahead, i'd be another one of those leaving.
  • AlbatroesAlbatroes Member LegendaryPosts: 6,631
    observer said:
    Mardukk said:
    This sure as hell isn't gonna make them money.  The majority of their playerbase is going to quit.
    They are also going to lose a lot of money.  Many people will be doing chargebacks.
    All they would need to do is go F2P.  Their playerbase would triple overnight.  It won't necessarily mean more profits, but it's still an alternative option for them.
    This system being put in place makes it seem like they are getting ready to go F2P by next year at the very least.
  • BloodDiimondBloodDiimond Member UncommonPosts: 26

    I don't think it'll be any more P2W then it has been because there have been gold bots since day one. The only thing that is changing is who is getting the money. Why hate on the company for wanting some of the money instead of letting gold bots take it all? All games that involve currency have gold bots and thus every game with currency is P2W. At least now everyone can look cool instead of those generically awful gear looks :)

  • holdenhamletholdenhamlet Member EpicPosts: 3,756
    edited August 2016
    observer said:
    Mardukk said:
    This sure as hell isn't gonna make them money.  The majority of their playerbase is going to quit.
    They are also going to lose a lot of money.  Many people will be doing chargebacks.
    All they would need to do is go F2P.  Their playerbase would triple overnight.  It won't necessarily mean more profits, but it's still an alternative option for them.
    Yeah, another f2p p2w MMO full of goldsellers and spam where you cannot compete unless you spend hundreds a month.  I didn't sign up for that and neither did most people.

    In fact I left BnS specifically to avoid that.

    This super sucks, dude.  I had a fun morning grinding with my guild, going to pirates for the first time.  I was all set for an afternoon session of grinding and whatever happened- now there's little point to it.

    I have a shred of hope that PA will read the official forums and the community response and figure out that this is a really bad idea, but that's about it.


  • LIOKILIOKI Member UncommonPosts: 421
    One day, one day gamers will get a clue and stop feeding money to the machines that pump out crap. Only then will we ever see games developed by competent people, trustworthy people, people that actually love the games and not just the money.
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