From what I'm seeing, it appears that Capisan is still working at Microsoft as a Software Eng Lead while working with CoE on his part time. I dont know if that is true, but if it is, then I would question this judgment.
From what I'm seeing, it appears that Capisan is still working at Microsoft as a Software Eng Lead while working with CoE on his part time. I dont know if that is true, but if it is, then I would question this judgment.
If I were an investor, that would be a big no-no.
It seems you are quite correct.
I'm not sure how long he'll be able to hold down a day job and simultaneously head-up a team that's building a crowdfunded MMORPG, but who knows ?
Inevitably, one of the two functions will suffer though.
Honestly, I think it could simply be a matter of trying to do too much or make it too complicated, just my opinion though.
That could almost describe the entire CoE project in a nutshell, lol
They apparently did a "huge re-write" of the website, and did it with 4 people, none of which have extensive web dev experience.
Whether they've had a 4-man team working on this for the entire 3 week delay is unclear.
What is clear is that buying ready-made solutions provides no guarantee that you're going to save loads of time or can squeak-by with minimal experience.
Wouldn't it have been better to hire a webmaster? Or some sort of consultant? Or were they just lied to about the quality of what they bought?
"We all do the best we can based on life experience, point of view, and our ability to believe in ourselves." - Naropa "We don't see things as they are, we see them as we are." SR Covey
From what I'm seeing, it appears that Capisan is still working at Microsoft as a Software Eng Lead while working with CoE on his part time. I dont know if that is true, but if it is, then I would question this judgment.
If I were an investor, that would be a big no-no.
This is not all that uncommon. Actually, I wouldn't be surprised if their entire staff wasn't working somewhere else as well. Not like they got Star Citizen money. Don't know why you feel this is a "big no-no". It's pretty common place. Otherwise, they wouldn't have enough money to last a year, let alone finish a game.
From what I'm seeing, it appears that Capisan is still working at Microsoft as a Software Eng Lead while working with CoE on his part time. I dont know if that is true, but if it is, then I would question this judgment.
If I were an investor, that would be a big no-no.
This is not all that uncommon. Actually, I wouldn't be surprised if their entire staff wasn't working somewhere else as well. Not like they got Star Citizen money. Don't know why you feel this is a "big no-no". It's pretty common place. Otherwise, they wouldn't have enough money to last a year, let alone finish a game.
And you see no problem there ?
You think it's perfectly acceptable for them to say they can build an MMO in their spare time and have it ready in 14 months ? 0.o
Damn, I need to relocate to the US, lol, it truly is the land of opportunity !
Yes this appears on the surface to be a problem. If you think deeper you will remember that they are a 'newly assembled' company they are not your AAA team. Being a skeleton crew for now limits the amount of time that can actually put into problems. They were planing to wait till closer to release to hire a Web Dev for fine tuning so Caspian and the team are writing the code themselves.
Do I wish the new site went up without problems, sure. Do I wish they kept the other site up till the new one was really flushed out, of course. If they had to do it over again I am sure they would make different decisions, chalk it up to a learning curve. But in the entire scheme of things a weekend delay (yes, they started coding on Friday, they put it off as long as possible) taking a week to make sure everything is right rather than just throw out something half a$$ will have little or now effect down the line. A week delay may look bad, but those looking forward to the game will let it slide, the other nay sayers will look for any excuse to tear them down, as they do any new game that comes out.
And then they wonder why we don't have any thing other that WoW clones being produced. If there are hickups or delays the drum beat of vaporware or never gonna be released start to sound off. The game is actually over year away so if you think a small delay over a website is a will doom the entire project, you are mistaken. And sure they 'may' be missing out on some revenue but very few are looking to donate 'now' and will not wait a week.
All in all, I would suggest we all take a chill pill and see where it goes. If you are worried about the delays or don't trust the devs or think they don't have what it takes, great, don't donate and move on. Don't play the game when it comes out and find another game to complain about. For me, I am willing to take a chance (and yes, I pledged high in Kickstarter) and don't have a problem with the situation or have any doubts about the future of the game. Do I have money to burn, no. Am I disappointed, sure. Do you see me bitching over 9 pages of forums over the same subject, of course not, I'm not a troll.
And in other news, MMORPG.com runs an article asking why Game Devs dont talk to people more.
I didnt back the game, not really my thing after some investigation but seriously, this is going to happen a LOT with Kickstarted projects. Game developers are NOT Project Managers, they are artists first and foremost. So yes, they will overpromise and miss deadlines, its why big games companies have marketing departments, product managers, producers, and so on, because Devs make things, with very few exceptions all devs I have made want to do more than they are able to in the time they have.
Its only a webfront, its their first BIG push, they will learn a lot from it, but what the drama llamas are teaching them is that every mistake WILL be treat like a fatal one, no matter how much effort is put in.
So yes, its a shame their ability to sell more people shit for a game that isnt out yet is delayed. Its not the end of the world or the project.
But when ever you back a complicated product like an MMO on kickstarter expect delays and problems and thats the BEST case scenario.
From what I'm seeing, it appears that Capisan is still working at Microsoft as a Software Eng Lead while working with CoE on his part time. I dont know if that is true, but if it is, then I would question this judgment.
If I were an investor, that would be a big no-no.
It seems you are quite correct.
I'm not sure how long he'll be able to hold down a day job and simultaneously head-up a team that's building a crowdfunded MMORPG, but who knows ?
Inevitably, one of the two functions will suffer though.
I can't imagine microsoft would be super thrilled.
From what I'm seeing, it appears that Capisan is still working at Microsoft as a Software Eng Lead while working with CoE on his part time. I dont know if that is true, but if it is, then I would question this judgment.
If I were an investor, that would be a big no-no.
This is not all that uncommon. Actually, I wouldn't be surprised if their entire staff wasn't working somewhere else as well. Not like they got Star Citizen money. Don't know why you feel this is a "big no-no". It's pretty common place. Otherwise, they wouldn't have enough money to last a year, let alone finish a game.
And you see no problem there ?
You think it's perfectly acceptable for them to say they can build an MMO in their spare time and have it ready in 14 months ? 0.o
Damn, I need to relocate to the US, lol, it truly is the land of opportunity !
Lol, if I said that I was going to shoot rainbows out of my ass, would you believe me? First problem is that if people are actually taking these estimates as anything more than that, then they're really gullible, really stupid, or a combination of both. Honestly? With the whole Star Citizen debacle still ongoing, the fact that people are somehow amazed that an estimate isn't a guarantee, baffles me.
Honestly, and I know you might find this difficult to believe, it's obviously not the national (or worldwide) crisis that people seem to think it is, considering that Shadow of Mordor was just investigated by the FTC over paying youtubers for to play and give positive feedback, and yet NOTHING has been opened with regards to Star Citizen. I'd say that I'm laughing my ass off over the whole issue, but I wouldn't want give you the impression that I'm actually laughing my ass off over it, it's just an expression of my amusement over people and their literal interpretation of everything that anyone says or does these days.
Maybe we should sue McDonald's for having all skinny people working in their commercials. Or maybe we should sue Wal-Mart for having greeters in their commercials who are younger than 70.
From what I'm seeing, it appears that Capisan is still working at Microsoft as a Software Eng Lead while working with CoE on his part time. I dont know if that is true, but if it is, then I would question this judgment.
If I were an investor, that would be a big no-no.
It seems you are quite correct.
I'm not sure how long he'll be able to hold down a day job and simultaneously head-up a team that's building a crowdfunded MMORPG, but who knows ?
Inevitably, one of the two functions will suffer though.
I can't imagine microsoft would be super thrilled.
His business interests are not a secret, it's public info. I can only imagine that his employment contract with Microsoft allows him to run his own business on the side.
If not, he'll be working on CoE in a fulltime capacity in the near future !
While people continue spreading rumors about Caspian perhaps they should actually get the FACTS first...like check what happened back in October 2015...
Apparently they are going to bed and the website and store will be down again until at least tomorrow. Dev had the time to remind people that being critical of their utter inability to hit their 1st post kickstarter deliverable with 3 delays and then a website meltdown really doesn't help anything.
" we recognize this process has gone on longer than we'd have liked, and we really appreciate all those who recognize that being critical of us, or the fact we don't have dedicated web developers yet, really doesn't help anything. So thanks again for your patience."
As with all Kickstarters it comes down to the company's ability to deliver on what they promise and in the time frame they promise it. In no way, shape or form can this fiasco give anyone confidence in their ability to deliver. So far they had one deliverable post kickstarter and they have utterly failed even after multiple delays.
Edited to add this "important" information from poster @Drakenhoff which just seems like a list of excuses to me but in the interest of "fairness" here it is:
But if you actually explained the whole topic of conversation people would know.
1) one remote developer had a power outage which caused issues. 2) unforseen errors happened in the backend.. Do projects have unforseen issues. ... yes 3) a team members family member was in hospital which again caused issues. 4) caspian had been up 20+ hours trying to fix issues when he made that statement.
Honestly, I think it could simply be a matter of trying to do too much or make it too complicated, just my opinion though.
That could almost describe the entire CoE project in a nutshell, lol
They apparently did a "huge re-write" of the website, and did it with 4 people, none of which have extensive web dev experience.
Whether they've had a 4-man team working on this for the entire 3 week delay is unclear.
What is clear is that buying ready-made solutions provides no guarantee that you're going to save loads of time or can squeak-by with minimal experience.
Wouldn't it have been better to hire a webmaster? Or some sort of consultant? Or were they just lied to about the quality of what they bought?
What I read from CoE was they were having a hard time not getting the website to sell the pledges, but implementing an upgrade feature where you could upgrade your pledge to a higher amount. precanned ecommerce just doesn't do that. They probably don't have someone who has done anything with the ecommerce solution they picked. honestly prestashop is easy to modify and free, they could have used that and anyone who knew php could set this stuff up pretty quick including the upgrades. But we also don't know what they're working on becides the site, I doubt all their energy is going towards the site.
While people continue spreading rumors about Caspian perhaps they should actually get the FACTS first...like check what happened back in October 2015...
While people continue spreading rumors about Caspian perhaps they should actually get the FACTS first...like check what happened back in October 2015...
Don't just thump a dead cat on the table explain yourself. At first I assumed you were suggesting he had left Microsoft, but LinkedIn says he is still there, so what are these FACTS! you are referring to?
While people continue spreading rumors about Caspian perhaps they should actually get the FACTS first...like check what happened back in October 2015...
I'd have checked on their website too, but unfortunately it's not working at this time...
I haven't updated mine in years. I also have a Facebook account that I haven't used in years. Why is it such a drama...unless of course the guy who posted it wanted to CAUSE drama and you went along with it because you want to as well.
Up to you but if you want to post lies or spread rumors don't get defensive when someone points them out.
While people continue spreading rumors about Caspian perhaps they should actually get the FACTS first...like check what happened back in October 2015...
I'd have checked on their website too, but unfortunately it's not working at this time...
I haven't updated mine in years. I also have a Facebook account that I haven't used in years. Why is it such a drama...unless of course the guy who posted it wanted to CAUSE drama and you went along with it because you want to as well.
Up to you but if you want to post lies or spread rumors don't get defensive when someone points them out.
You still haven't pointed anything out, you just invited speculation.
While people continue spreading rumors about Caspian perhaps they should actually get the FACTS first...like check what happened back in October 2015...
I'd have checked on their website too, but unfortunately it's not working at this time...
So is the bone of the day, him maybe having two "jobs"? As for the date of delivery, wasn't it pretty much a universal thought (around these parts) they wouldn't have a full game next year anyway? At most a foundation?
Why do we need a new reason every day to explain what seems inevitable anyway, it just seems rather redundant, not to mention a blatant attempt to fan the fire to simply draw more folks into pointless arguments.
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
While people continue spreading rumors about Caspian perhaps they should actually get the FACTS first...like check what happened back in October 2015...
I'd have checked on their website too, but unfortunately it's not working at this time...
I haven't updated mine in years. I also have a Facebook account that I haven't used in years. Why is it such a drama...unless of course the guy who posted it wanted to CAUSE drama and you went along with it because you want to as well.
Up to you but if you want to post lies or spread rumors don't get defensive when someone points them out.
So far, you've pointed out nothing at all. You have however made some very slanderous allegations.
Jeromy Walsh's status is not a "rumour" or a "lie", it's there for all to see on his LinkedIn profile.
If he doesn't update his LinkedIn profile, that's not my problem, it's his problem.
If you want to use Social Media, make sure you keep it up to date.
If you are too slack to maintain your info, delete your profile, otherwise all kinds of people may get the wrong idea about you.
Ok I am not going to make excuses for SBS as they have delayed their first release due to unforseen problems.
But I have a question for all those "experts" and "moaners" here. How many of you would be willing to work till midnight on a Friday and Saturday to remedy a situation like this?
That would be a standard practice for most if not all salaried employees, the self employed, and plenty of low wage workers as well. At least in the US.
While people continue spreading rumors about Caspian perhaps they should actually get the FACTS first...like check what happened back in October 2015...
I'd have checked on their website too, but unfortunately it's not working at this time...
I haven't updated mine in years. I also have a Facebook account that I haven't used in years. Why is it such a drama...unless of course the guy who posted it wanted to CAUSE drama and you went along with it because you want to as well.
Up to you but if you want to post lies or spread rumors don't get defensive when someone points them out.
So far, you've pointed out nothing at all. You have however made some very slanderous allegations.
Jeromy Walsh's status is not a "rumour" or a "lie", it's there for all to see on his LinkedIn profile.
If he doesn't update his LinkedIn profile, that's not my problem, it's his problem.
If you want to use Social Media, make sure you keep it up to date.
If you are too slack to maintain your info, delete your profile, otherwise all kinds of people may get the wrong idea about you.
In October he went full time on the game.
But you would rather assume it is a problem worthy of kicking up a stink rather than the fact he left a job to become his own boss and didn't update Linkedin as it isn't that important in the scheme of things.
Why are you posting here when it is obvious you neither follow or back the game (evident by your lack of knowledge on what is actually being discussed) other then to Troll the game and it's followers? Move on if this game bothers you so much.
While people continue spreading rumors about Caspian perhaps they should actually get the FACTS first...like check what happened back in October 2015...
I'd have checked on their website too, but unfortunately it's not working at this time...
I haven't updated mine in years. I also have a Facebook account that I haven't used in years. Why is it such a drama...unless of course the guy who posted it wanted to CAUSE drama and you went along with it because you want to as well.
Up to you but if you want to post lies or spread rumors don't get defensive when someone points them out.
You still haven't pointed anything out, you just invited speculation.
How important is an out of date Linkedin profile to you? Personally I have NEVER had a use for it. Everyone I ever linked to I knew personally and every job I ever got while in IT was either through recommendation or interview with a CV.
So I fail to see why an out of date profile is either important or even relevant other then it being the new thing to bitch about today.
These devs are humans...chill, chill, chill. So many drama queens!
Yes, poop happens, delays happen. In most projects. It's about how they will rebound.
But right now, I can see why people are antsy, even if there is surely some overdramatization. This project has raised several red flags, people will react to that. People still remember the stuff that happened with some other overpromising projects. Unfortunately, due to the long dev times, there are no positive KS-MMORPG stories yet. So the negative is more dominant in people's minds.
Some drama from the (potential) customers is not necessarily a bad sign anyway. People getting invested / emotionally attached is a good thing. Especially for these very early announced long dev cycle projects with not much to show yet. Otherwise they could fizzle out until things get really rolling.
As a dev you prefer someone who gives negative feedback (at least you have his attention and you can hopefully improve your product/workflows and change his mind over time) over the indifferent person who quietly walks away (that's the guy who doesn't care about the product. You will have a hard time getting him back)
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If I were an investor, that would be a big no-no.
I'm not sure how long he'll be able to hold down a day job and simultaneously head-up a team that's building a crowdfunded MMORPG, but who knows ?
Inevitably, one of the two functions will suffer though.
"We all do the best we can based on life experience, point of view, and our ability to believe in ourselves." - Naropa "We don't see things as they are, we see them as we are." SR Covey
This is not all that uncommon. Actually, I wouldn't be surprised if their entire staff wasn't working somewhere else as well. Not like they got Star Citizen money. Don't know why you feel this is a "big no-no". It's pretty common place. Otherwise, they wouldn't have enough money to last a year, let alone finish a game.
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If you are investing into someone, you need to know they are 100% commited, otherwise you are sponsoring a hobby only.
You think it's perfectly acceptable for them to say they can build an MMO in their spare time and have it ready in 14 months ? 0.o
Damn, I need to relocate to the US, lol, it truly is the land of opportunity !
Do I wish the new site went up without problems, sure. Do I wish they kept the other site up till the new one was really flushed out, of course. If they had to do it over again I am sure they would make different decisions, chalk it up to a learning curve. But in the entire scheme of things a weekend delay (yes, they started coding on Friday, they put it off as long as possible) taking a week to make sure everything is right rather than just throw out something half a$$ will have little or now effect down the line. A week delay may look bad, but those looking forward to the game will let it slide, the other nay sayers will look for any excuse to tear them down, as they do any new game that comes out.
And then they wonder why we don't have any thing other that WoW clones being produced. If there are hickups or delays the drum beat of vaporware or never gonna be released start to sound off. The game is actually over year away so if you think a small delay over a website is a will doom the entire project, you are mistaken. And sure they 'may' be missing out on some revenue but very few are looking to donate 'now' and will not wait a week.
All in all, I would suggest we all take a chill pill and see where it goes. If you are worried about the delays or don't trust the devs or think they don't have what it takes, great, don't donate and move on. Don't play the game when it comes out and find another game to complain about. For me, I am willing to take a chance (and yes, I pledged high in Kickstarter) and don't have a problem with the situation or have any doubts about the future of the game. Do I have money to burn, no. Am I disappointed, sure. Do you see me bitching over 9 pages of forums over the same subject, of course not, I'm not a troll.
I didnt back the game, not really my thing after some investigation but seriously, this is going to happen a LOT with Kickstarted projects. Game developers are NOT Project Managers, they are artists first and foremost. So yes, they will overpromise and miss deadlines, its why big games companies have marketing departments, product managers, producers, and so on, because Devs make things, with very few exceptions all devs I have made want to do more than they are able to in the time they have.
Its only a webfront, its their first BIG push, they will learn a lot from it, but what the drama llamas are teaching them is that every mistake WILL be treat like a fatal one, no matter how much effort is put in.
So yes, its a shame their ability to sell more people shit for a game that isnt out yet is delayed. Its not the end of the world or the project.
But when ever you back a complicated product like an MMO on kickstarter expect delays and problems and thats the BEST case scenario.
Lol, if I said that I was going to shoot rainbows out of my ass, would you believe me? First problem is that if people are actually taking these estimates as anything more than that, then they're really gullible, really stupid, or a combination of both. Honestly? With the whole Star Citizen debacle still ongoing, the fact that people are somehow amazed that an estimate isn't a guarantee, baffles me.
Honestly, and I know you might find this difficult to believe, it's obviously not the national (or worldwide) crisis that people seem to think it is, considering that Shadow of Mordor was just investigated by the FTC over paying youtubers for to play and give positive feedback, and yet NOTHING has been opened with regards to Star Citizen. I'd say that I'm laughing my ass off over the whole issue, but I wouldn't want give you the impression that I'm actually laughing my ass off over it, it's just an expression of my amusement over people and their literal interpretation of everything that anyone says or does these days.
Maybe we should sue McDonald's for having all skinny people working in their commercials. Or maybe we should sue Wal-Mart for having greeters in their commercials who are younger than 70.
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If not, he'll be working on CoE in a fulltime capacity in the near future !
https://www.linkedin.com/in/jeromywalsh
I'd have checked on their website too, but unfortunately it's not working at this time...
Up to you but if you want to post lies or spread rumors don't get defensive when someone points them out.
Why do we need a new reason every day to explain what seems inevitable anyway, it just seems rather redundant, not to mention a blatant attempt to fan the fire to simply draw more folks into pointless arguments.
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
Jeromy Walsh's status is not a "rumour" or a "lie", it's there for all to see on his LinkedIn profile.
If he doesn't update his LinkedIn profile, that's not my problem, it's his problem.
If you want to use Social Media, make sure you keep it up to date.
If you are too slack to maintain your info, delete your profile, otherwise all kinds of people may get the wrong idea about you.
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But you would rather assume it is a problem worthy of kicking up a stink rather than the fact he left a job to become his own boss and didn't update Linkedin as it isn't that important in the scheme of things.
Why are you posting here when it is obvious you neither follow or back the game (evident by your lack of knowledge on what is actually being discussed) other then to Troll the game and it's followers? Move on if this game bothers you so much.
So I fail to see why an out of date profile is either important or even relevant other then it being the new thing to bitch about today.
Yes, poop happens, delays happen. In most projects. It's about how they will rebound.
But right now, I can see why people are antsy, even if there is surely some overdramatization.
This project has raised several red flags, people will react to that.
People still remember the stuff that happened with some other overpromising projects.
Unfortunately, due to the long dev times, there are no positive KS-MMORPG stories yet. So the negative is more dominant in people's minds.
Some drama from the (potential) customers is not necessarily a bad sign anyway.
People getting invested / emotionally attached is a good thing. Especially for these very early announced long dev cycle projects with not much to show yet. Otherwise they could fizzle out until things get really rolling.
As a dev you prefer someone who gives negative feedback (at least you have his attention and you can hopefully improve your product/workflows and change his mind over time) over the indifferent person who quietly walks away (that's the guy who doesn't care about the product. You will have a hard time getting him back)