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  • VucarVucar Member UncommonPosts: 311
    The main reason I won't back any game.  If a dev isn't willing to back their own idea, then why should I?
    He already backed it with $500k before the kickstarter of his own personal money.
  • blueturtle13blueturtle13 Member LegendaryPosts: 12,698
    Zultra said:
    Anyone know anything about his previous stint as CEO?
    Four years with Modern Genealogy LLC as co-owner. There is a stub website with the domain name for sale at $540.

    How many employees?
    Did it ever produce a working product? 
    GenSoftReviews has an entry but no reviews http://www.gensoftreviews.com/?p=1059
    Was the company sold or did it fail?

    The genealogy software was apparently in its "latest stages of testing" as of September 2008 or earlier. There was a link on the website to register to the Beta test (early access) from mid 2008 to early/mid 2011 if I'm correct, with the mention "The beta version of Modern Genealogy™ 2009 will be available for testing later this summer." The last screenshot for this website was taken in February 2011, then it went down. 
    Interesting, kind of blows a large hole in his resume. Also gives us a hint at his ability to deliver a project on time.
    Coming from a wannabe "pro" here? 
    No, not a wannabe anything. Thirty-five years in IT, lots of experience in recruiting staff from programers to Project Managers. Not only that I know I am not alone on this site there are least a half dozen others with much better resumes than Caspian's.
    A resume only goes so far though. 
    Theyve claimed that they can make an MMO that puts AAA titles to shame for the tidy sum of 1.5 million and it'll be done next yearish. When you factor in those laughable claims, bring up their complete lack of experience is a fair point. Now had they set reasonable expectations and not promised things any sane developer would not have, people would be more inclined to give them the benefit of the doubt.

    I agree they have been a bit too bold in their claims (ala Peter M with Fable) but another way to look at it is it worked. People are talking about it. That creates buzz. Lack of experience in making an MMO really means nothing. Honestly. Look at all the so called expert MMO vets that have tried to create their own game and failed. I think more people give them the benefit of the doubt than you realize. Forum warriors are the loud vocal minority. I am not saying they can or will deliver but at the same time, Why couldn't they? 

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  • Octagon7711Octagon7711 Member LegendaryPosts: 8,968
    Even the big studios run into unexpected problems.  After I've seen what games and movies for that matter have to go through to get produced it's a miracle they get released at all.  Most of the time they take on a life of their own and the finished product may look completely different than what it looked like on paper.  

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  • RusqueRusque Member RarePosts: 2,785
    Even the big studios run into unexpected problems.  After I've seen what games and movies for that matter have to go through to get produced it's a miracle they get released at all.  Most of the time they take on a life of their own and the finished product may look completely different than what it looked like on paper.  
    Yes, this is true. The reason CoE devs are getting so much flak is because they came out swinging with a huge amount of ego. Maybe to inspire confidence, maybe to build hype, I dunno why they did it. But no one made them act like they were hot shit and that they're going to knock this MMO out of the park in one year and it'll be amazeballs.

    So when the inevitable development hurdles that everyone knows exist showed up, they're [rightfully] getting all that hubris shoved back in their face. This also won't be the only or last hurdle that they will face, we'll see how they cope with future challenges.

  • ArchlyteArchlyte Member RarePosts: 1,405
    I'm with Rusque if I read that post right. I hope they succeed, but they have a big hill to climb. Wasting energy calling back down at unenthused spectators isn't going to help get up that mountain, so they should make sure and stop doing that last week. 
    MMORPG players are often like Hobbits: They don't like Adventures
  • craftseekercraftseeker Member RarePosts: 1,740
    Vucar said:
    The main reason I won't back any game.  If a dev isn't willing to back their own idea, then why should I?
    He already backed it with $500k before the kickstarter of his own personal money.
    I would want to see an independent auditors report before accepting that. After all his resume shows a failed company that he presumably put his own personal money into in 2009, not a lot of tme to accumulate another 500k.
  • VucarVucar Member UncommonPosts: 311
    Vucar said:
    The main reason I won't back any game.  If a dev isn't willing to back their own idea, then why should I?
    He already backed it with $500k before the kickstarter of his own personal money.
    I would want to see an independent auditors report before accepting that. After all his resume shows a failed company that he presumably put his own personal money into in 2009, not a lot of tme to accumulate another 500k.
    If you had done any reading on his background at all, you'd know Caspian sold his dream home to come up with that 500k. 

    An investor has a right to see precisely what funds have been made available and where they have been allocated during game development.

    Some random on the internet that clicks "LOL" on all the comments he disagrees with is not entitled to that information. Neither am I, for that matter.

    I am just a kickstarter backer. I accept that I took him at his word that he put money down for this project and i pledged an amount I wouldn't lose sleep over even if i had taken it out of my wallet and set fire to it. 

    That's all there is to it regarding backing: you believe them, have some faith, and donate some money -- then you walk away and hope for the best. Or, you don't have faith, and you don't donate money.
  • SpottyGekkoSpottyGekko Member EpicPosts: 6,916
    Vucar said:
    ...
    ... 

    That's all there is to it regarding backing: you believe them, have some faith, and donate some money -- then you walk away and hope for the best. Or, you don't have faith, and you don't donate money.
    Either way, you get hours of free entertainment criticising or defending pie-in-the-sky projects on game forums ! :D
  • KyleranKyleran Member LegendaryPosts: 37,006
    Zultra said:
    Anyone know anything about his previous stint as CEO?
    Four years with Modern Genealogy LLC as co-owner. There is a stub website with the domain name for sale at $540.

    How many employees?
    Did it ever produce a working product? 
    GenSoftReviews has an entry but no reviews http://www.gensoftreviews.com/?p=1059
    Was the company sold or did it fail?

    The genealogy software was apparently in its "latest stages of testing" as of September 2008 or earlier. There was a link on the website to register to the Beta test (early access) from mid 2008 to early/mid 2011 if I'm correct, with the mention "The beta version of Modern Genealogy™ 2009 will be available for testing later this summer." The last screenshot for this website was taken in February 2011, then it went down. 
    Interesting, kind of blows a large hole in his resume. Also gives us a hint at his ability to deliver a project on time.
    Coming from a wannabe "pro" here? 
    No, not a wannabe anything. Thirty-five years in IT, lots of experience in recruiting staff from programers to Project Managers. Not only that I know I am not alone on this site there are least a half dozen others with much better resumes than Caspian's.
    A resume only goes so far though. 
    Theyve claimed that they can make an MMO that puts AAA titles to shame for the tidy sum of 1.5 million and it'll be done next yearish. When you factor in those laughable claims, bring up their complete lack of experience is a fair point. Now had they set reasonable expectations and not promised things any sane developer would not have, people would be more inclined to give them the benefit of the doubt.

    I agree they have been a bit too bold in their claims (ala Peter M with Fable) but another way to look at it is it worked. People are talking about it. That creates buzz. Lack of experience in making an MMO really means nothing. Honestly. Look at all the so called expert MMO vets that have tried to create their own game and failed. I think more people give them the benefit of the doubt than you realize. Forum warriors are the loud vocal minority. I am not saying they can or will deliver but at the same time, Why couldn't they? 
    Of course they "could" deliver....

    Just not the way to bet, odds are too long against.

    ;)

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  • GeezerGamerGeezerGamer Member EpicPosts: 8,847
    Kyleran said:
    Zultra said:
    Anyone know anything about his previous stint as CEO?
    Four years with Modern Genealogy LLC as co-owner. There is a stub website with the domain name for sale at $540.

    How many employees?
    Did it ever produce a working product? 
    GenSoftReviews has an entry but no reviews http://www.gensoftreviews.com/?p=1059
    Was the company sold or did it fail?

    The genealogy software was apparently in its "latest stages of testing" as of September 2008 or earlier. There was a link on the website to register to the Beta test (early access) from mid 2008 to early/mid 2011 if I'm correct, with the mention "The beta version of Modern Genealogy™ 2009 will be available for testing later this summer." The last screenshot for this website was taken in February 2011, then it went down. 
    Interesting, kind of blows a large hole in his resume. Also gives us a hint at his ability to deliver a project on time.
    Coming from a wannabe "pro" here? 
    No, not a wannabe anything. Thirty-five years in IT, lots of experience in recruiting staff from programers to Project Managers. Not only that I know I am not alone on this site there are least a half dozen others with much better resumes than Caspian's.
    A resume only goes so far though. 
    Theyve claimed that they can make an MMO that puts AAA titles to shame for the tidy sum of 1.5 million and it'll be done next yearish. When you factor in those laughable claims, bring up their complete lack of experience is a fair point. Now had they set reasonable expectations and not promised things any sane developer would not have, people would be more inclined to give them the benefit of the doubt.

    I agree they have been a bit too bold in their claims (ala Peter M with Fable) but another way to look at it is it worked. People are talking about it. That creates buzz. Lack of experience in making an MMO really means nothing. Honestly. Look at all the so called expert MMO vets that have tried to create their own game and failed. I think more people give them the benefit of the doubt than you realize. Forum warriors are the loud vocal minority. I am not saying they can or will deliver but at the same time, Why couldn't they? 
    Of course they "could" deliver....

    Just not the way to bet, odds are too long against.

    ;)
    There is an old saying. If something looks too good to be true.....It (probably) is.

    AAA Title on 1.5M in 2 years?

    Doesn't that sound a little too good to be true?
  • MaygusMaygus Member UncommonPosts: 374
    Kyleran said:
    Zultra said:
    Anyone know anything about his previous stint as CEO?
    Four years with Modern Genealogy LLC as co-owner. There is a stub website with the domain name for sale at $540.

    How many employees?
    Did it ever produce a working product? 
    GenSoftReviews has an entry but no reviews http://www.gensoftreviews.com/?p=1059
    Was the company sold or did it fail?

    The genealogy software was apparently in its "latest stages of testing" as of September 2008 or earlier. There was a link on the website to register to the Beta test (early access) from mid 2008 to early/mid 2011 if I'm correct, with the mention "The beta version of Modern Genealogy™ 2009 will be available for testing later this summer." The last screenshot for this website was taken in February 2011, then it went down. 
    Interesting, kind of blows a large hole in his resume. Also gives us a hint at his ability to deliver a project on time.
    Coming from a wannabe "pro" here? 
    No, not a wannabe anything. Thirty-five years in IT, lots of experience in recruiting staff from programers to Project Managers. Not only that I know I am not alone on this site there are least a half dozen others with much better resumes than Caspian's.
    A resume only goes so far though. 
    Theyve claimed that they can make an MMO that puts AAA titles to shame for the tidy sum of 1.5 million and it'll be done next yearish. When you factor in those laughable claims, bring up their complete lack of experience is a fair point. Now had they set reasonable expectations and not promised things any sane developer would not have, people would be more inclined to give them the benefit of the doubt.

    I agree they have been a bit too bold in their claims (ala Peter M with Fable) but another way to look at it is it worked. People are talking about it. That creates buzz. Lack of experience in making an MMO really means nothing. Honestly. Look at all the so called expert MMO vets that have tried to create their own game and failed. I think more people give them the benefit of the doubt than you realize. Forum warriors are the loud vocal minority. I am not saying they can or will deliver but at the same time, Why couldn't they? 
    Of course they "could" deliver....

    Just not the way to bet, odds are too long against.

    ;)
    There is an old saying. If something looks too good to be true.....It (probably) is.

    AAA Title on 1.5M in 2 years?

    Doesn't that sound a little too good to be true?
    Where have they referred to COE as being a AAA game?
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  • goboygogoboygo Member RarePosts: 2,140
    People just LOVE to be critical of others its an obsession for some.  I could give two shits about them missing some arbitrary deadline for a freaking web page WHO CARES, they will get it done have some freaking PATIENCE.  All these flipping arm chair everything people are driving me nuts.
  • craftseekercraftseeker Member RarePosts: 1,740
    Vucar said:
    Vucar said:
    The main reason I won't back any game.  If a dev isn't willing to back their own idea, then why should I?
    He already backed it with $500k before the kickstarter of his own personal money.
    I would want to see an independent auditors report before accepting that. After all his resume shows a failed company that he presumably put his own personal money into in 2009, not a lot of tme to accumulate another 500k.
    If you had done any reading on his background at all, you'd know Caspian sold his dream home to come up with that 500k. 

    An investor has a right to see precisely what funds have been made available and where they have been allocated during game development.

    Some random on the internet that clicks "LOL" on all the comments he disagrees with is not entitled to that information. Neither am I, for that matter.

    I am just a kickstarter backer. I accept that I took him at his word that he put money down for this project and i pledged an amount I wouldn't lose sleep over even if i had taken it out of my wallet and set fire to it. 

    That's all there is to it regarding backing: you believe them, have some faith, and donate some money -- then you walk away and hope for the best. Or, you don't have faith, and you don't donate money.
    Firstly I only click LOL on posts I find amusing or silly. Lots of posts I disagree with and never click any of the buttons.

    Secondly I think you are being incredibly naive if you buy that story about the dream home and the $500k based on his resume. Sure it could possibly be true but it is very unlikely.

    Finally you are absolutely right with your last paragraph. I don't have any faith in his promises or the money story, and so I didn't donate any money. I am just totally gob smacked that apparently intelligent people did.
  • GeezerGamerGeezerGamer Member EpicPosts: 8,847
    edited August 2016
    Maygus said:

    There is an old saying. If something looks too good to be true.....It (probably) is.

    AAA Title on 1.5M in 2 years?

    Doesn't that sound a little too good to be true?
    Where have they referred to COE as being a AAA game?
    "There is an old saying. If something looks too good to be true.....It (probably) is.

    MMORPG Title on 1.5M in 2 years?

    Doesn't that sound a little too good to be true?"

    OK, I've made the necessary changes. 
  • Slapshot1188Slapshot1188 Member LegendaryPosts: 12,532
    goboygo said:
    People just LOVE to be critical of others its an obsession for some. 
    Does this obsession to being critical of others only apply to developers or does criticizing other posters for criticizing developers fit?

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  • Octagon7711Octagon7711 Member LegendaryPosts: 8,968
    So, is the store up?

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  • VucarVucar Member UncommonPosts: 311
    Firstly I only click LOL on posts I find amusing or silly. Lots of posts I disagree with and never click any of the buttons.

    Whatever you say chief.


    Secondly I think you are being incredibly naive if you buy that story about the dream home and the $500k based on his resume. Sure it could possibly be true but it is very unlikely.


    Actually I buy that story because he showed pictures of it to me, and i happen to live very close to the SBS office and the property he linked, and i'm familiar with the area.

    Sure it could possibly be the case that he went to a lot of trouble to fool me about $500k he didn't have, but that would almost be as weird as fanatically stalking an mmo you think will fail for months and months.
  • craftseekercraftseeker Member RarePosts: 1,740
    Vucar said:
    Firstly I only click LOL on posts I find amusing or silly. Lots of posts I disagree with and never click any of the buttons.

    Whatever you say chief.


    Secondly I think you are being incredibly naive if you buy that story about the dream home and the $500k based on his resume. Sure it could possibly be true but it is very unlikely.


    Actually I buy that story because he showed pictures of it to me, and i happen to live very close to the SBS office and the property he linked, and i'm familiar with the area.

    Sure it could possibly be the case that he went to a lot of trouble to fool me about $500k he didn't have, but that would almost be as weird as fanatically stalking an mmo you think will fail for months and months.
    Yeah, sure.
  • MareliusMarelius Member UncommonPosts: 130
    Vucar said:
    Firstly I only click LOL on posts I find amusing or silly. Lots of posts I disagree with and never click any of the buttons.

    Whatever you say chief.


    Secondly I think you are being incredibly naive if you buy that story about the dream home and the $500k based on his resume. Sure it could possibly be true but it is very unlikely.


    Actually I buy that story because he showed pictures of it to me, and i happen to live very close to the SBS office and the property he linked, and i'm familiar with the area.

    Sure it could possibly be the case that he went to a lot of trouble to fool me about $500k he didn't have, but that would almost be as weird as fanatically stalking an mmo you think will fail for months and months.
    LOL even the most gullible person would find any of that as believable!
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  • Slapshot1188Slapshot1188 Member LegendaryPosts: 12,532
    Vucar said:

    Actually I buy that story because he showed pictures of it to me, and i happen to live very close to the SBS office and the property he linked, and i'm familiar with the area.


    It all makes sense now.

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    Starvault's reponse to criticism related to having a handful of players as the official "test" team for a supposed MMO: "We've just have another 10ish folk kind enough to voulenteer added tot the test team" (SIC) This explains much about the state of the game :-)

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  • VucarVucar Member UncommonPosts: 311
    Wow, quoted by 3 people in a row.

    That comment about being weird mmo stalkers really hit close to home didn't it.
  • RPGMASTERGAMERRPGMASTERGAMER Member UncommonPosts: 516
    well well well

    look like i was right calling peoples backing this kinda crazy

    that was their first mmorpg, and would be biggest that anything we have ever got, got so many crazy features we have yet to see any dev release even from AAA dev team with hundred of peoples... yet this small team indie team first gamewould have pull that in a budget who would be 10% of what they would have need ?

    let me call it before they do : they will tell they need more money

    in 8 years this game not releases, but hey they got YOUR money lol why they would do more ?
  • craftseekercraftseeker Member RarePosts: 1,740
    Vucar said:
    Wow, quoted by 3 people in a row.

    That comment about being weird mmo stalkers really hit close to home didn't it.
    Funny thing Vucar, your profile says that you live in Freemont California not Issaquah Washington. Now I may be wrong but it seems to me that is inconsistent with your statement:

    "I happen to live very close to the SBS office and the property he linked, and i'm familiar with the area."
  • VucarVucar Member UncommonPosts: 311
    Vucar said:
    Wow, quoted by 3 people in a row.

    That comment about being weird mmo stalkers really hit close to home didn't it.
    Funny thing Vucar, your profile says that you live in Freemont California not Issaquah Washington. Now I may be wrong but it seems to me that is inconsistent with your statement:

    "I happen to live very close to the SBS office and the property he linked, and i'm familiar with the area."
    Oh god, you caught me, you caught me in my web of lies!

    ...

    Or i put something bogus when i was forced to select a city on creating my account here. 

    Are you telling me you actually put your real complete name, your actual address, city, state, and birthday on this site? Is that what you just inadvertently admitted to?
  • craftseekercraftseeker Member RarePosts: 1,740
    Vucar said:
    Vucar said:
    Wow, quoted by 3 people in a row.

    That comment about being weird mmo stalkers really hit close to home didn't it.
    Funny thing Vucar, your profile says that you live in Freemont California not Issaquah Washington. Now I may be wrong but it seems to me that is inconsistent with your statement:

    "I happen to live very close to the SBS office and the property he linked, and i'm familiar with the area."
    Oh god, you caught me, you caught me in my web of lies!

    ...

    Or i put something bogus when i was forced to select a city on creating my account here. 

    Are you telling me you actually put your real complete name, your actual address, city, state, and birthday on this site? Is that what you just inadvertently admitted to?
    Personally I am going with the web of lies, after all you just admitted lying. You just left it to us to pick when: in May 2015 when you had no real reason to or now when you have been caught in a fantasy of your own contriving.
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