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What would it take for you to become an indie developer?

DKLondDKLond Member RarePosts: 2,207
On a serious level, what would it take for you to drop whatever you're doing now - and just go for it?
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  • CleffyCleffy Member RarePosts: 6,068
    Money, around $100k.
  • DMKanoDMKano Member LegendaryPosts: 21,540
    There is nothing in the world that would make me want to be a developer of any sort. I am happy being a locust. 

    If someone wants to be an indie developer all they need is desire and skill obviously  - because you can develop a game alone, many indies have done so.

    Another option is rpgmaker.
  • VrikaVrika Member EpicPosts: 5,845
    Skill, knowledge, experience, motivation and money.
     
  • SpottyGekkoSpottyGekko Member EpicPosts: 6,911
    DKLond said:
    On a serious level, what would it take for you to drop whatever you're doing now - and just go for it?
    A gun to the head ?

    I've been a software developer all my life, but in business applications, not games. At least in business apps, you never get death threats from users... :D 
  • DKLondDKLond Member RarePosts: 2,207
    DMKano said:
    There is nothing in the world that would make me want to be a developer of any sort. I am happy being a locust. 

    If someone wants to be an indie developer all they need is desire and skill obviously  - because you can develop a game alone, many indies have done so.

    Another option is rpgmaker.
    If skill and desire was enough, I'd be making games all day long.

    Ambition and energy, sadly, are needed too :)

    But I'm not asking what it takes - but what would make others do it.

    Just curious.
  • SovrathSovrath Member LegendaryPosts: 27,298
    DKLond said:
    DMKano said:
    There is nothing in the world that would make me want to be a developer of any sort. I am happy being a locust. 

    If someone wants to be an indie developer all they need is desire and skill obviously  - because you can develop a game alone, many indies have done so.

    Another option is rpgmaker.
    If skill and desire was enough, I'd be making games all day long.

    Ambition and energy, sadly, are needed too :)

    But I'm not asking what it takes - but what would make others do it.

    Just curious.
    It comes down to a money thing. I would want all the money that is required for every year of development, figuring in delays including an extra year or two as a buffer assuming I had figured out about how many people could feasibly buy the game and whether or not, once those sales happened, I would be in the black and would be able to continue with another game.





  • Righteous_RockRighteous_Rock Member RarePosts: 1,234
    Reliable income, benefits, skills. I would have a great time bringing games to life. I'm very creative and when I make things I'm passionate about them and can't wait to show them off. I work like a man possessed when it comes to projects. Game development would be an ultimate canvass for bringing my ideas to life.
  • CrazKanukCrazKanuk Member EpicPosts: 6,130
    More children! I currently have 4 boys and I've been teaching them about software development, using game development as a means to capture their attention. Things are coming along, but they tend to have the collective attention span of a poodle at the best of times "squirrel !!!". So I figure if I had another 10 or 20, we might be able to have a releasable game in the next decade :) 

    It would probably take a collective interest and a glimmer of hope. Oh! And a can of unicorn farts. 

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  • MisterZebubMisterZebub Member LegendaryPosts: 3,584
    DKLond said:
    On a serious level, what would it take for you to drop whatever you're doing now - and just go for it?
    In this current game climate? Nothing short of a gun to my head.

    "You have kept me at your beck and call for fifteen years. I shall never again do what you demand of me. By every rule of single combat, from this moment your life belongs to me. Is that not correct? Then I shall simply declare you dead. In all of your dealings with me, you'll do me the courtesy to conduct yourself as a dead man. I have submitted to your notions of honor long enough. You will now submit to mine."

  • SEANMCADSEANMCAD Member EpicPosts: 16,775
    DKLond said:
    On a serious level, what would it take for you to drop whatever you're doing now - and just go for it?
    A gun to the head ?

    I've been a software developer all my life, but in business applications, not games. At least in business apps, you never get death threats from users... :D 
    and then there is the other thing.

    I am a few years from early retirement, I have been behind a computer working for 24 years (10 years of which coding), do i want to spend my freedom coding or would I rather learn archery and travel the country.

    Please do not respond to me, even if I ask you a question, its rhetorical.

    Please do not respond to me

  • sunandshadowsunandshadow Member RarePosts: 1,985
    I am a hobbyist game designer, so the step from there to indie game designer would only be finding a teammate who wanted to lead development of a game that I had designed, or who wanted me to collaborate with someone on a new design.  I can do that from home in my free time, so I don't charge for that.  Concept art and script writing take a bit more work but I'd be happy to supply them in support of one of my own designs.  Buuuut, the question asked is about being a developer.  What, precisely, does that mean I'd have to do?  I'm not a programmer, aside from doing some basic scripting of quests and combat AI.  I'm not a professional quality artist either, though I could probably improve my 3D art to something usable for a game if I had 20k to throw at software and tools.  I don't have the personal drive and motivational and organizational skills, or the knowledge about engines and other development topics, to be a competent lead developer; no amount of money would fix that.  So finding such a person to work with would be the main requirement besides a pile of money.
    I want to help design and develop a PvE-focused, solo-friendly, sandpark MMO which combines crafting, monster hunting, and story.  So PM me if you are starting one.
  • SEANMCADSEANMCAD Member EpicPosts: 16,775
    I am a hobbyist game designer, so the step from there to indie game designer would only be finding a teammate who wanted to lead development of a game that I had designed, or who wanted me to collaborate with someone on a new design.  I can do that from home in my free time, so I don't charge for that.  Concept art and script writing take a bit more work but I'd be happy to supply them in support of one of my own designs.  Buuuut, the question asked is about being a developer.  What, precisely, does that mean I'd have to do?  I'm not a programmer, aside from doing some basic scripting of quests and combat AI.  I'm not a professional quality artist either, though I could probably improve my 3D art to something usable for a game if I had 20k to throw at software and tools.  I don't have the personal drive and motivational and organizational skills, or the knowledge about engines and other development topics, to be a competent lead developer; no amount of money would fix that.  So finding such a person to work with would be the main requirement besides a pile of money.
    to add to your question.

    What if  person created a rule set (as you have), organized it (as I assume you have) and put it in a book form as a D20 game. would one then be a indie game developer? I say yes

    Thus given that it sounds to me like you have about 80% of above then it sounds like indie developer to me.

    anyway, more of a question on my part given the example.

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  • sunandshadowsunandshadow Member RarePosts: 1,985
    edited May 2016
    SEANMCAD said:
    Buuuut, the question asked is about being a developer.  What, precisely, does that mean I'd have to do?
    to add to your question.

    What if  person created a rule set (as you have), organized it (as I assume you have) and put it in a book form as a D20 game. would one then be a indie game developer? I say yes

    Thus given that it sounds to me like you have about 80% of above then it sounds like indie developer to me.

    anyway, more of a question on my part given the example.
    That's true; if I wanted to spend about 3 months worth of my free time putting together a roleplaying handbook I'd be able to self-publish it as an ebook.  No money needed unless I wanted to try to promote it.  If I wanted to spend 6 months on it I could have actual illustrations.  Would anyone buy this book, well, with no promotional campaign it wouldn't sell much.  If I gave it away for free, does it then not count as an indie game?  There are a lot of interesting facets to this question.  But my guess is that the functional answer is going to be: "We're talking about video game development here, (maybe MMO development specifically?) and an indie roleplaying system developer just isn't the same as an indie game developer."
    I want to help design and develop a PvE-focused, solo-friendly, sandpark MMO which combines crafting, monster hunting, and story.  So PM me if you are starting one.
  • SEANMCADSEANMCAD Member EpicPosts: 16,775
    edited May 2016
    SEANMCAD said:
    Buuuut, the question asked is about being a developer.  What, precisely, does that mean I'd have to do?
    to add to your question.

    What if  person created a rule set (as you have), organized it (as I assume you have) and put it in a book form as a D20 game. would one then be a indie game developer? I say yes

    Thus given that it sounds to me like you have about 80% of above then it sounds like indie developer to me.

    anyway, more of a question on my part given the example.
    That's true; if I wanted to spend about 3 months worth of my free time putting together a roleplaying handbook I'd be able to self-publish it as an ebook.  No money needed unless I wanted to try to promote it.  If I wanted to spend 6 months on it I could have actual illustrations.  Would anyone buy this book, well, with no promotional campaign it wouldn't sell much.  If I gave it away for free, does it then not count as an indie game?  There are a lot of interesting facets to this question.  But my guess is that the functional answer is going to be: "We're talking about video game development here, (maybe MMO development specifically?) and an indie roleplaying system developer just isn't the same as an indie game developer."
    yeah and the question came up for me because its exactly what I am thinking about doing. 

    Going the PnP route with an idea I have. I am a programmer by trade but I dont want to go the full video game route becaues I dont want to code all night after coding all day. Now given my skill set I could make a online resource of the PnP which would kinda make it more of a webbased version of a PnP game? anyway been thinking about doing that

    Please do not respond to me, even if I ask you a question, its rhetorical.

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  • GrayPhilosopherGrayPhilosopher Member UncommonPosts: 78
    Financial stability and the skills required

  • AgnharAgnhar Member UncommonPosts: 105
    In my case a totally brand new brain.
  • ArChWindArChWind Member UncommonPosts: 1,313
    I worked on one for like 9 years before realizing it is just a waste of my time. Moved on to other stuff that ACTUALLY pays me to do it. Current project is financing the next project but it is NOT MMO.
  • SEANMCADSEANMCAD Member EpicPosts: 16,775
    ArChWind said:
    I worked on one for like 9 years before realizing it is just a waste of my time. Moved on to other stuff that ACTUALLY pays me to do it. Current project is financing the next project but it is NOT MMO.
    My next project which I hope to start in 2 more years is driving my RV all over american where ever I want to or not if I dont want to. My dream of doing going where I want, when I want...oh yeaha

    Please do not respond to me, even if I ask you a question, its rhetorical.

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  • sunandshadowsunandshadow Member RarePosts: 1,985
    SEANMCAD said:

    Going the PnP route with an idea I have. I am a programmer by trade but I dont want to go the full video game route becaues I dont want to code all night after coding all day. Now given my skill set I could make a online resource of the PnP which would kinda make it more of a webbased version of a PnP game? anyway been thinking about doing that
    The main reason I haven't done a book (which would be for an email/forum friendly system with dice used only by the GM) is that I don't play non-computer RPGs so I don't really know how many people still use book-based systems at all, or what they are looking for in a new system, or if they would prefer not to have to learn a new system.  Nor do I have any friends who have asked me to write up my system because they want to play with it. :confounded:  Meanwhile I am really in the mood for a FF-style PS1/2 era RPG with the satisfying kind of grinding and some ancient ruins containing the clues to some giant mystery...
    I want to help design and develop a PvE-focused, solo-friendly, sandpark MMO which combines crafting, monster hunting, and story.  So PM me if you are starting one.
  • besteverbestever Member UncommonPosts: 902
    Pretty much the skills to pull it off and other people with those skills, also the money to pay everyone. Have the ideas and engine just need the talent. 

    Its not easy. My brother is learning direct x right now and its kicking his ass.
  • waynejr2waynejr2 Member EpicPosts: 7,768
    DKLond said:
    On a serious level, what would it take for you to drop whatever you're doing now - and just go for it?

    97.8 million dollars.
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  • GeezerGamerGeezerGamer Member EpicPosts: 8,776
    A real job offer
  • MisterZebubMisterZebub Member LegendaryPosts: 3,584
    A real job offer
    Ah. Been getting those job offers where the office ends up looking like this eh?


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  • cameltosiscameltosis Member EpicPosts: 2,207
    I already work in IT as a technical development manager (managing a team of programmers) and I've been a programmer most of my adult life. 

    There is literally nothing you could do to get me to be a programmer again (except if it was the only job I could get - I'd rather be a programmer than homeless!). 

    However, if I had a bunch of friends who wanted to make games and at least one of them was a talented programmer then I'd be up for it. I'd willingly learn modelling skills and I'd love to do the design work / plan out mechanics / project management / marketing / finance. I'd also need the game idea to be something I genuinely believed in. 
  • DKLondDKLond Member RarePosts: 2,207
    I already work in IT as a technical development manager (managing a team of programmers) and I've been a programmer most of my adult life. 

    There is literally nothing you could do to get me to be a programmer again (except if it was the only job I could get - I'd rather be a programmer than homeless!). 

    However, if I had a bunch of friends who wanted to make games and at least one of them was a talented programmer then I'd be up for it. I'd willingly learn modelling skills and I'd love to do the design work / plan out mechanics / project management / marketing / finance. I'd also need the game idea to be something I genuinely believed in. 
    Yeah, I know what you mean.

    I can "borrow" code and merge it with bits and pieces of my own, but it'll never be my passion. I hate how coding something ends up being 95% detective work and 5% progress.

    I can do decent UI art, I'm an ok writer - and I'm willing to challenge anyone in terms of creative game design - but coding is damned hard work.
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