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Why Is the Warcraft Movie Getting a Bad Rap? - Garrett Fuller at MMORPG.com

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  • gervaise1gervaise1 Member EpicPosts: 6,919
    edited May 2016
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    They still get paid royalties for that movie. Even if they didn't make it.
    Probably not. Activision Blizzard and Legendary films entered into a "content licensing". deal. This could involve 1. a straightforward payment to Blizzard 2. a share of any profit 3. A minimum payment + (smaller) share of any profit.

    Now  I am certainly not privy to the deal but:  

    Based on Sam Mendes's comments (initial director) and Duncan Jones more recent comments it is clear that Blizzard have been actively involved in the film e.g. scrapping a script. They have certainly been involved in promoting the film. And there were the reports that Universal wanted a different release date but Blizzard wanted summer - for obvious reasons. This is huge though. 

    This points to control, involvement, direction, partnership. And the decisions they have been taking cost money and influence revenue. So they may have part funded the film as well - hence their influence. With the costs possibly classed as advertising.

    So will the film make them money?
    Probably not directly - cinema owners, the distributor etc. all take a share whiich is why films have to take more than they cost. And with so many films - hard to see.
    Indirectly? A positive benefit on WoW presumably but we won't know of course.
  • daltaniousdaltanious Member UncommonPosts: 2,381
    Been yesterday and I'm going also tomorrow with another friends. Guess will go to see it 1 time more next week. Have not did this from times of Star wars, Conan, ... and maybe Terminator if I remember correctly. That says it all. Movie is INCREDIBLE, love it, enjoy it every single minute. Effects, story, historical characters, .... just incredible. Sure helps I'm in love with Wow in general and I know Stormwind and other places and was incredible feeling seeing them in movie, but would be the same anyway. And having 8.1 on IMDB I think majority enjoyed. I just hope there will be more and more Wow movies.
  • IggiePuffIggiePuff Member UncommonPosts: 146
    Everyone I've heard of that already got to see Warcraft has said it's a very good movie. Even saying that it makes you want to play WoW.
  • DKLondDKLond Member RarePosts: 2,273
    EqualsM said:
    Everyone I've heard of that already got to see Warcraft has said it's a very good movie. Even saying that it makes you want to play WoW.
    I made a Paladin just yesterday :)
  • BenbradaBenbrada Member UncommonPosts: 519
    I know people are ripping on the lore but it can't be an worse than Fox's "adaptation" of the X-Men. Being a big comic book nerd it took restraint not to walk out of that one because the lore was non-existent.
  • DKLondDKLond Member RarePosts: 2,273
    DKLond said:
    Perhaps an american can explain what it might be about the movie that american critics don't like?
    My American mate that saw it described it as "another John Cater of Mars." Which having never seen that film but knowing it bombed I asked him to elaborate. He explained to me that while he felt that the film makers spent quite a lot of time on the fine details like the lore and the CGI they seem to have forgotten to give that same care and attention to detail to the story itself. In other words gorgeous movie world, terrible script.
    Americans caring about script?

    Are we talking about planet Earth here - where Avatar and superhero movies do more business than just about anything?
  • RusqueRusque Member RarePosts: 2,785
    I'm going to see it anyway, but I think after LotR everyone has newfound expectations of what a fantasy movie CAN be. And there is no reason that Warcraft couldn't have been of the same quality as LotR, it has a ton of lore and story to draw from and they could have cut it down to whatever size would have made the best movie. They could have fleshed out the characters and done a great job, by the state of reviews, it didn't quite hit that mark.


    It's not about "video game movies always suck." It's that they don't HAVE to suck. Especially when there's a lot to build upon to make a great cinematic experience. And it's even more amusing coming from Blizzard who can tell stories even in their tiny promo cinematic trailers for expansions. I don't know where those guys were during the storyboarding process.
  • DKLondDKLond Member RarePosts: 2,273
    Rusque said:
    I'm going to see it anyway, but I think after LotR everyone has newfound expectations of what a fantasy movie CAN be. And there is no reason that Warcraft couldn't have been of the same quality as LotR, it has a ton of lore and story to draw from and they could have cut it down to whatever size would have made the best movie. They could have fleshed out the characters and done a great job, by the state of reviews, it didn't quite hit that mark.


    It's not about "video game movies always suck." It's that they don't HAVE to suck. Especially when there's a lot to build upon to make a great cinematic experience. And it's even more amusing coming from Blizzard who can tell stories even in their tiny promo cinematic trailers for expansions. I don't know where those guys were during the storyboarding process.
    Except Tolkien >>> Blizzard and LotR had 3 movies funded.
  • DKLondDKLond Member RarePosts: 2,273
    edited May 2016
    DKLond said:
    DKLond said:
    Perhaps an american can explain what it might be about the movie that american critics don't like?
    My American mate that saw it described it as "another John Cater of Mars." Which having never seen that film but knowing it bombed I asked him to elaborate. He explained to me that while he felt that the film makers spent quite a lot of time on the fine details like the lore and the CGI they seem to have forgotten to give that same care and attention to detail to the story itself. In other words gorgeous movie world, terrible script.
    Americans caring about script?

    Are we talking about planet Earth here - where Avatar and superhero movies do more business than just about anything?
    Well the script part was my interpretation. I imagine its more like gorgeous movie word, but uninteresting film.
    Well, that's not quite my take.

    The story was certainly nothing too special - but it was fine, and the Orc characters were better than most characters in Hollywood spectacle movies. Human characters were "meh" - and maybe that was part of the reason.
  • SovrathSovrath Member LegendaryPosts: 29,204
    DKLond said:
    Perhaps an american can explain what it might be about the movie that american critics don't like?
    My American mate that saw it described it as "another John Cater of Mars." Which having never seen that film but knowing it bombed I asked him to elaborate. He explained to me that while he felt that the film makers spent quite a lot of time on the fine details like the lore and the CGI they seem to have forgotten to give that same care and attention to detail to the story itself. In other words gorgeous movie world, terrible script.
    Part of that is of course the fault of the script writers as they did change some things from the original book. Still, it's "John Carter of Mars" and was sort of a Mars version of Conan to put it simply. Meaning that it was a pulp work of fiction and there really wasn't any "deep" story.

    However, the John Carter books are some of my very favorite books of my teenage years.
  • RusqueRusque Member RarePosts: 2,785
    DKLond said:
    Rusque said:
    I'm going to see it anyway, but I think after LotR everyone has newfound expectations of what a fantasy movie CAN be. And there is no reason that Warcraft couldn't have been of the same quality as LotR, it has a ton of lore and story to draw from and they could have cut it down to whatever size would have made the best movie. They could have fleshed out the characters and done a great job, by the state of reviews, it didn't quite hit that mark.


    It's not about "video game movies always suck." It's that they don't HAVE to suck. Especially when there's a lot to build upon to make a great cinematic experience. And it's even more amusing coming from Blizzard who can tell stories even in their tiny promo cinematic trailers for expansions. I don't know where those guys were during the storyboarding process.
    Except Tolkien >>> Blizzard and LotR had 3 movies funded.
    Yes, Tolkien is better than Blizzard, not sure why that would mean they can't make a good movie?

    Games of Thrones is garbage as far as literature goes and is hugely inferior to Tolkien's work, yet the TV show is very well done, so it's possible. Quality of how a story is told in a cinematic manner is not reliant on it's source material. If you have 4 hours of character building and you need to fit it into 90-120minutes of screen time, then you have to reassess how much of the story you're going to tell in the first installment in order to have a good end product. If they had crammed LotR into 90 minutes, I think it would have been a hot mess.

    I mean, Peter Jackson was almost universally panned for stretching The Hobbit into 3 films and adding new stuff. So source material can be used in all sorts of ways, for better or worse. One story being better than another doesn't mean that they can't have quality movies.
  • YashaXYashaX Member EpicPosts: 2,781

    "An epic fantasy adventure with all the trimmings – but none of the personality

    The role-playing video game ‘World of Warcraft’ was a clunky Frankenstein thing, cobbled together from the most obvious parts of countless fantasy franchises. So a certain level of respect is due to ‘Moon’ director Duncan Jones for attempting to inject new life – and a hint of relevance – into this tired, so-last-decade concern. Sadly, his best intentions aren’t enough: like its ten-foot anti-heroes the orcs, ‘Warcraft’ is noisy, lumbering and not terribly bright. "

    http://www.timeout.com/london/film/warcraft


    Sure sounds promising....

    ....
  • MardukkMardukk Member RarePosts: 2,222
    I didnt care about WoW lore or "story" when I played the game (it should be a virtual world not force feeding me stories). I thought the movie preview was cringe worthy. No way I would spend time seeing it anywhere.
  • hallucigenocidehallucigenocide Member RarePosts: 1,015
    critics rarerly have realistic expectations when it comes to movies so who gives an f what they think?
    anyways i dont think it'll go down as one of the great ones but i'm pretty sure it'll be enjoyable and it will probably rake in a ton of cash. (from the movie goers, not the guys with screeners that bitch about everything)


    I had fun once, it was terrible.

  • AoriAori Member EpicPosts: 4,182
    Just like gaming these days, people just can't go to a movie, sit down enjoy and have fun. There is absolutely nothing wrong with a simple fun popcorn movie. It seems this is what Warcraft is shaping up to be, a fun movie. 

    I thought Fellowship of the Ring was boring, slow and long. Nothing about that movie was particularly noteworthy, it sure as hell wasn't fun. Honestly if it weren't for hype and the acclaimed critic review, I don't think it would have done as well as it did. A few people I know who actually saw it in theatres said it was simply to long, they even started dosing off at points.

    I simply think it is unfair to compare LOTR and Warcraft, they are not the same by any means.

    Different strokes for different folks and all that.
  • ceratop001ceratop001 Member RarePosts: 1,594
    DKLond said:
    DKLond said:
    Perhaps an american can explain what it might be about the movie that american critics don't like?
    My American mate that saw it described it as "another John Cater of Mars." Which having never seen that film but knowing it bombed I asked him to elaborate. He explained to me that while he felt that the film makers spent quite a lot of time on the fine details like the lore and the CGI they seem to have forgotten to give that same care and attention to detail to the story itself. In other words gorgeous movie world, terrible script.
    Americans caring about script?

    Are we talking about planet Earth here - where Avatar and superhero movies do more business than just about anything?
    Quit bashing Americans. You obviously has some issue with us. Try keeping it to yourself.
     
  • joeslowmoejoeslowmoe Member UncommonPosts: 127
    DKLond said:
    DKLond said:
    Perhaps an american can explain what it might be about the movie that american critics don't like?
    My American mate that saw it described it as "another John Cater of Mars." Which having never seen that film but knowing it bombed I asked him to elaborate. He explained to me that while he felt that the film makers spent quite a lot of time on the fine details like the lore and the CGI they seem to have forgotten to give that same care and attention to detail to the story itself. In other words gorgeous movie world, terrible script.
    Americans caring about script?

    Are we talking about planet Earth here - where Avatar and superhero movies do more business than just about anything?
    Right, because only Americans consume American movies.  It's not those same superhero movies that are smashing global box office records or anything...

    Try harder; your hipster hatred for America isn't shining through hard enough yet.
  • DistopiaDistopia Member EpicPosts: 21,182
    edited May 2016
    YashaX said:

    "An epic fantasy adventure with all the trimmings – but none of the personality

    The role-playing video game ‘World of Warcraft’ was a clunky Frankenstein thing, cobbled together from the most obvious parts of countless fantasy franchises. So a certain level of respect is due to ‘Moon’ director Duncan Jones for attempting to inject new life – and a hint of relevance – into this tired, so-last-decade concern. Sadly, his best intentions aren’t enough: like its ten-foot anti-heroes the orcs, ‘Warcraft’ is noisy, lumbering and not terribly bright. "

    http://www.timeout.com/london/film/warcraft


    Sure sounds promising....

    Ouch.
    That seems more an inference into the reviewer's opinion of Warcraft as a whole, (which is pretty spot on in my eyes), it could honestly apply to most videogame properties fantasy or otherwise, even the best of them are nothing more than lifting popular tropes from films like Star Wars, LOTR, Disney, Anime etc... .

     Hence why the two mediums rarely mix well.. AT least when they're relying on the stories told in games. The worlds and lore feel lesser because they are in most cases.. Which makes for ho-hum movies. That need to rely on other things for entertainment: effects, humor, good acting etc... which doesn't always translate well for the audience. 

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  • ButeoRegalisButeoRegalis Member UncommonPosts: 594
    "I would say that Game of Thrones has been given the right platform by HBO. It is a series that follows very real human emotions and events."
    Also: bewbs! And blood. Sometimes both.

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  • Little-BootLittle-Boot Member UncommonPosts: 158
    DKLond said:
    DKLond said:
    Perhaps an american can explain what it might be about the movie that american critics don't like?
    My American mate that saw it described it as "another John Cater of Mars." Which having never seen that film but knowing it bombed I asked him to elaborate. He explained to me that while he felt that the film makers spent quite a lot of time on the fine details like the lore and the CGI they seem to have forgotten to give that same care and attention to detail to the story itself. In other words gorgeous movie world, terrible script.
    Americans caring about script?

    Are we talking about planet Earth here - where Avatar and superhero movies do more business than just about anything?
    Right, because only Americans consume American movies.  It's not those same superhero movies that are smashing global box office records or anything...

    Try harder; your hipster hatred for America isn't shining through hard enough yet.
    Explosions sell in any language; the problem with the Hollywood studio system is that in their eternal pursuit of profit they aim for the lowest common denominator, they create a huge over-blown CGI mess that anyone can understand in any language, and they remove any nuance and subtlety that won't easily translate. As a result they are turning the entire industry into a juvenile, moronic plotless, characterless clusterfuck of CGI. 
  • SmokeysongSmokeysong Member UncommonPosts: 247
    People that listen to movie critics get what they deserve - bad advice that leads to missed opportunities. Might as well throw knives at your own feet.

    The worst comments I've heard about it were that there's too much in it. Some people like it, others love it. I have no doubt that it will be a fun time for anyone that is willing to try to enjoy it.

    Have played: Everquest, Asheron's Call, Horizons, Everquest2, World of Warcraft, Lord of the Rings Online, Warhammer, Age of Conan, Darkfall

  • scorpex-xscorpex-x Member RarePosts: 1,030
    edited June 2016
    Honestly, I think it's getting hated for one reason.  Because they are releasing in the US last and all these movie critics make their money from reviews when films are new.

    They want to pan it in the hope they punish movie studios for doing this and it doesn't become more common.  Truth is, whether they make a sequel is down to how it does in China.  America isn't the be all and end all it used to be.

    Also to people who say this is based on wow?  it's not based on wow at all, it's based on the original warcraft game.
  • fiontarfiontar Member UncommonPosts: 3,682
    The CGI looks cartoonish, which just clashes with the live actors badly. I agree with the author of the article, the entire movie should have been CGI. I'll watch it when it's on one of the movie channels or for rent on line cheap, but it just has no appeal to me as something I would want to see in the theater, in spite of my WoW nostalgia.

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  • wgc01wgc01 Member UncommonPosts: 241
    edited June 2016
    I am not a wow fan, but I plan on seeing the movie, it looks fun, that is why movie critics never give most fantasy movies or good ole blow up stuff action movies very good reviews I think they forget some folks go to a movie just for fun not to see it is an Oscar contender. I am sure it wont be the worst I have seen and not the best, just a way to chill one afternoon. :) I will never understand why some people just nitpick everything down to the atom's, it is what it is.. :)
  • daltaniousdaltanious Member UncommonPosts: 2,381


    I don't listen to critics. I never have and I never will. They are good for one thing though, I know if they trash a movie that I will like it and if they are slobbering all over a movie, I will most likely hate. My youngest daughter who plays wow, want to see it as do I, so we will be going.



    We saw X-men this weekend and loved it. The theater was packed so I guess none of those movie goers pay any attention to the critics either.



    Agreed. And Warcraft je incredible movie, watched it 3 times in one week. And was fun all three times as first time. For last 30 I can't remember I did something like this.
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