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MMORPG truly a dying genre

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  • JDis25JDis25 Member RarePosts: 1,350
    It's definitely on a downward trend right now. Reason being is because life is hard right now on too many people. It isn't easy to balance an MMORPG with work and family, people need to work two jobs to make end's meat. More people are going for graduate degrees to compete in the market, etc etc. Nobody has free time anymore.

    Games that you can pick up and play and have reasonable amounts of fun are what's popular right now because of this. Games that are Free (or very inexpensive) are also popular because of this.

    MMORPG's fit neither category. They are time intensive and generally expensive as well. But MMOs (many that aren't RPGs as well) do show reasonable popularity. H1Z1, Destiny, WoW, World of Tanks, Runescape, The Division, Lineage II, Ark, Rust, GW2, EvE, Black Desert, Blade and Soul etc. All maintain popularity right now and are some of the top games on twitch. Some aren't HUGE, but they maintain a steady presence.
    Now Playing: Bless / Summoners War
    Looking forward to: Crowfall / Lost Ark / Black Desert Mobile
  • TyranusPrimeTyranusPrime Member UncommonPosts: 306
    While I do understand some people's despair at the direction some MMOs and companies have turned towards, I will never agree with the "MMOs are dying/dead" thread-o'-the-week..

    As long as there are games.. the need for entertainment.. and more than 100k people on the planet Earth.. massive multi-player games will just continue to be born.. The inherent need for people to gather, socialize, or compete will keep MMO game evolution going..

    ..because we're gamers, damn it!! - William Massachusetts (Log Horizon)

  • NorseGodNorseGod Member EpicPosts: 2,372
    While I do understand some people's despair at the direction some MMOs and companies have turned towards, I will never agree with the "MMOs are dying/dead" thread-o'-the-week..

    As long as there are games.. the need for entertainment.. and more than 100k people on the planet Earth.. massive multi-player games will just continue to be born.. The inherent need for people to gather, socialize, or compete will keep MMO game evolution going..
    I think they specifically talking about MMORPGs, not MMOs.
    To talk about games without the censorship, check out https://www.reddit.com/r/MMORPG/
  • HarikenHariken Member RarePosts: 2,384
    I agree with the OP. And all these kickstarter games are pretty niche. Non of them will have large playerbases in them. The small indie companies are the ones keeping the genre alive. If it wasn't for them the genre would have almost died out for sure.
  • majimaji Member UncommonPosts: 2,091
    edited May 2016
    I loved MMORPGs. I still really like the genre. But I haven't played any for a long time.

    Why?

    Because they're crap.

    - They're pay2win fests. Basically each MMORPG has a slider, that reads "no fun / no money" on one end, and "hundreds of $$$ and quite some fun" on the other. You can move the slider around as you like. The problem is: in no position it's worth it. A crappy free game is not worth my time, nor is paying hundreds of $$$ for a game.  
    - They're often technologically behind recent games of other genres. NPCs stand around like statues all day and night long, the mobs have basically no AI whatsoever.
    - They're boring as %§$%. The quests are bland and soporific, the grind is hell, the classes and skills are basically the same as always.
    - As boring and grindy as the PvE is, is the PvP dictated by the cash shop. Pay more, win more.

    I like the genre, but why should I put up with that?

    If I want PvP, I much rather play something that is balanced and not as P2W, such as DOTA2 or TF2 or whatnot.
    If I want PvE, I play something that has a decent storyline and quests.

    I like MMORPGs, but I don't play them anymore, because they suck imo.

    And another word to that F2P nonsense: basically "F2P" means this: create an average game, then add lots of barriers and obstacles that make it worse and that can only be removed by paying money.
    No thanks. It's as if I go to see a movie for free in the cinema, and suddenly the image is blurry, the audio is missing, somebody kicks my chair, the image gets blurry and so on, and I have to pay for each of those annoyances to stop.

    I rather pay some money upfront and have some quality service than getting crap for free.

    Let's play Fallen Earth (blind, 300 episodes)

    Let's play Guild Wars 2 (blind, 45 episodes)

  • 0theri0n0theri0n Member UncommonPosts: 114
    I have come to the realization that it isn't mmos that have changed, its me. Mmos play the same way they have always played, its just now im older, have less time, and the market is so over saturated with them that the feeling of wonderment and curiosity just isnt there anymore. 
  • monochrome19monochrome19 Member UncommonPosts: 715
    Yeah, MMOs are pretty much dead, as evidenced by the rise of MOBAs. People would rather play a fun short game and accomplish something than grind for an hour and achieve nothing. There are still good MMOs out that I plan to play but not as frequently or as reverently.
  • Xeno.phonXeno.phon Member UncommonPosts: 350
    Let me guess, rap is just a fad as well........

    Big diff between dead and saturation.
  • KyleranKyleran Member LegendaryPosts: 34,341
    edited May 2016
    FFFG said:
    Kyleran said:
    ...for the next 10 years.

    Something new and good is bound to come around by then, don't you think?
    Dunno, ask the people fleeing WoW. Or the ones that fled EQ, ten years earlier.

    A lot of them sound like they've grown pretty tired of waiting.
    What about the ones fleeing Eve? 
    Just recently broke the 40K accounts concurrently online barrier for the first time since 2013, there's a "fact" for you and a figure most modern MMORPGs won't share.

    FFFG said:
    Kyleran said:
    I solved "the problem".  I found one MMORPG that I really, really enjoy, and I play it extensively and exclusively.

    Fortunately the company is on sound financial ground, regularly adds new content, and seems likely to be around for the next 10 years.

    Something new and good is bound to come around by then, don't you think?


    Hmm facts don't seem to agree with your comments...can't say I'm surprised though.  

    Seems like they have been struggling since 2014

    http://evenews24.com/2014/08/28/ccp-financial-report-shutting-down-san-francisco-office-layoffs-and-losses/

    And then in 2015 they went dark in financial information.  

    https://www.themittani.com/news/ccp-goes-dark-company-financials

    Sorry to ruin your parade with facts....
    Deadwood projects unrelated to EVE shut down, increased focus on the core moneymaker, increased focus on VR titles which may (or may not) be the next big thing.

    Meanwhile in EVE we just received a significant content update with the new Citadels already triggering epic battles everywhere.

    My alliance lost the fight to stand up a large fortrizar by 1 minute and 30 seconds.

    10 Titans and 9 Super carriers showed up including PL who just wanted to get in on the kill mail.

    Things couldn't be any busier and the future is bright indeed.

    But I guess you had to be there. :pleased: 


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    Just trying to live long enough to play a new, released MMORPG, playing POE at the moment.

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  • FFFGFFFG Member UncommonPosts: 73
    Kyleran said:
    FFFG said:
    Kyleran said:
    ...for the next 10 years.

    Something new and good is bound to come around by then, don't you think?
    Dunno, ask the people fleeing WoW. Or the ones that fled EQ, ten years earlier.

    A lot of them sound like they've grown pretty tired of waiting.
    What about the ones fleeing Eve? 
    Just recently broke the 40K accounts concurrently online barrier for the first time since 2013, there's a "fact" for you and a figure most modern MMORPGs won't share.

    FFFG said:
    Kyleran said:
    I solved "the problem".  I found one MMORPG that I really, really enjoy, and I play it extensively and exclusively.

    Fortunately the company is on sound financial ground, regularly adds new content, and seems likely to be around for the next 10 years.

    Something new and good is bound to come around by then, don't you think?


    Hmm facts don't seem to agree with your comments...can't say I'm surprised though.  

    Seems like they have been struggling since 2014

    http://evenews24.com/2014/08/28/ccp-financial-report-shutting-down-san-francisco-office-layoffs-and-losses/

    And then in 2015 they went dark in financial information.  

    https://www.themittani.com/news/ccp-goes-dark-company-financials

    Sorry to ruin your parade with facts....
    Deadwood projects unrelated to EVE shut down, increased focus on the core moneymaker, increased focus on VR titles which may (or may not) be the next big thing.

    Meanwhile in EVE we just received a significant content update with the new Citadels already triggering epic battles everywhere.

    My alliance lost the fight to stand up a large fortrizar by 1 minute and 30 seconds.

    10 Titans and 9 Super carriers showed up including PL who just wanted to get in on the kill mail.

    Things couldn't be any busier and the future is bright indeed.

    But I guess you had to be there. :pleased: 


    My comment wasnt about having a battle in a game where the point is to have battles.  You must be a little desperate if you need to resort  to bragging about doing things in a game that you should be doing..  

    Well you keep bragging about playing a game the facts will still be on the internet for you to look up if need be.

    http://www.technobuffalo.com/2015/06/29/eve-online-seeing-lowest-player-count-since-2008/

    How about a link for your fact?  I am looking and the last time something was posted about concurrent users in EVE was from 2010.  Or did you guys just say in chat ok everyone ill start but lets see how high we can count get and bam you have a fact? 
  • MrMelGibsonMrMelGibson Member EpicPosts: 3,019
    Dullahan said:
    Don't think the situation is quite as dire as the OP suggests, but its definitely a sad spot we find ourselves in.

    Not that dire because all it will take is 1 or 2 of these indie games spending a few million and making back 100x that will bring the triples A studios right back on board. Not that they really matter though, because they will simply emulate the shit out of whatever is succeeding until everyone gets sick of it and the entire process repeats itself.
    To be fair.  You could kinda say this about every market.  
  • MrMelGibsonMrMelGibson Member EpicPosts: 3,019
    Hariken said:
    I agree with the OP. And all these kickstarter games are pretty niche. Non of them will have large playerbases in them. The small indie companies are the ones keeping the genre alive. If it wasn't for them the genre would have almost died out for sure.
    Games that don't exist yet are not keeping the genre from dying lol.  You would be more on the money if you said Asian developed mmos are keeping the genre alive.  The former is only true in your mind.
  • thinktank001thinktank001 Member UncommonPosts: 2,144
    MMOs are doing fine.  Considering the low failure rate of MMOs (actual failure) compared to other video games, investing in developing MMOs is probably the safest investment you could make.  MMOs considered failures by us are actually still making money.  Very few developed MMOs ever lose money overall.


    A successful product doesn't just reimburse the cost during development, but also makes enough to fund the next project, and very few MMORPGs actually fall into this category.   
  • someforumguysomeforumguy Member RarePosts: 4,035
    edited May 2016
    MMORPG's will not disappear. Any game genre keeps coming back. Platformers, point and click adventures, pixel art, this is all the rage now. I don't know why the OP thinks that point and click adventures are dead. Just the AAA companies don't bother with those. Fortunately there are a ridiculous amount of indie developers that release gems of games in all kinds of genres.

    Look beyond this website. This website only follows mainstream gaming.
  • Vermillion_RaventhalVermillion_Raventhal Member EpicPosts: 3,944
    I think MMORPG lost focus on what makes the genre unique.  The potential to make virtual societies has taken a back seat to largely unsatisfying grind mechanics with a reward of progression. There is a certain novelty to doing things that aren't fun on its own like grinding monsters and quests or even pvp. But all these later MMORPG have been trimmed down to this with the hooks and advantage of other players being downplayed.

    The audience doesn't want MMORPG. Selling to and catering the games based around them has lead the genre down this road of emulating gameplay done better in othe genres.  It's alienated a large portion of its old base and not good enough quality to truly win over new base that took hold with WoW's expansion in players into the genre.
  • DarkestOverlordDarkestOverlord Member UncommonPosts: 545
    Well you can choose to live alone and be the king in every game due to all the time you have not having kids or wife or freinds :D   Just like me hahaha. I do have a job but  a part timer to increase game time ;)




  • TheodwulfTheodwulf Member UncommonPosts: 307
    It's dead to me ( Since SWtOR launched) but it seems the industry doesn't miss my money. It's not just MMORPGs that have drifted away from me but strategy games as well and don't even get me started about country music.

     
  • Octagon7711Octagon7711 Member LegendaryPosts: 8,854
    The markets full.  So many MMO's out there that people are spread thin.  Most are playing 2 or 3 at a time some more then that.

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  • DMKanoDMKano Member LegendaryPosts: 21,545
    The markets full.  So many MMO's out there that people are spread thin.  Most are playing 2 or 3 at a time some more then that.
    Indeed - some are playing more than a dozen .. ;)
  • madazzmadazz Member RarePosts: 1,995
    I don't even know what to say... these threads have been popping up for nearly a decade now. It is tiresome. I disagree, and will continue to disagree. 
  • KyleranKyleran Member LegendaryPosts: 34,341
    madazz said:
    I don't even know what to say... these threads have been popping up for nearly a decade now. It is tiresome. I disagree, and will continue to disagree. 
    What's it like to be wrong for so long?

    "See normal people, I'm not one of them" | G-Easy & Big Sean

    "I need to finish" - Christian Wolff: The Accountant

    Just trying to live long enough to play a new, released MMORPG, playing POE at the moment.

    Fools find no pleasure in understanding, but delight in airing their own opinions. Pvbs 18:2, NIV

    Don't just play games, inhabit virtual worlds™

    "This is the most intelligent, well qualified and articulate response to a post I have ever seen on these forums. It's a shame most people here won't have the attention span to read past the second line." - Anon






  • koldmiserkoldmiser Member UncommonPosts: 158
    MMO's are not dead. We just have a ton of elitists who abandon ship when one little thing doesn't fit with their image of what an MMO should be. 
  • Starbuck1771Starbuck1771 Member UncommonPosts: 375
    I used to love video games, but it all changed when I played a game called MUD. Simply a text game it had no finesse other games of that era had. But playing in a world populated by real people - it was clear to me even than : this is the future of video games, a higher state altogether. It is pointless for video games to go anywhere else.

    And for long time they did. EQ , DAOC, UO ... than came WoW blew the lid off these games and opened it to the world. And everyone knew this is the way to go.

    Games were made by top companies, books were written like "ready player one" - the sky was the limit.

    But it failed. No need to go into details why. We all know it did.


    What interest me is now.

    What was once a pinnacle of gaming perfection and future of gaming. Today no professional game company want to touch.
    Heck even the company that made trillions on their MMO (Blizzard) stepped out of the game and started making casual products.

    Instead of AAA company like Naughty Dog or CD Project Red pushing the technological envelope to MMO,
    we are left with handfull of "Indie" companies making MMOs

    With low budgets , none of the resources or manpower of big companies - best they can make is mini-mmo , rehash of old formula ... or fail


    Bottom line, even if those indie kickstarter funded games get released, which not all of them will. It will be far cry from what a healthy genre growth should have been.

    They will most likely be the last to attempt it too.


    And MMO will simply disappear as Point and Click adventures , RTS strategies etc did. Maybe to be unburied years after as nostalgia novelty for another round of kickstarters.




    The Genre isn't dead. It's nowhere near dead. The thing is there are so many games these days thanks to the market being flooded by Asian made MMO's that the community is spread thin. The community isn't shrinking but growing but the amount of games out there are growing faster so it looks like the community is dying but we are not. It isn't like it was 20 years ago where there were only a handful of games in the genre.

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  • Little-BootLittle-Boot Member UncommonPosts: 158
    I agree that it is a dying genre, but personally I think it's because the first M disappeared out of MMO in favour of solo-centric, easy-mode gameplay and cash shop items. In fact I'd replace the Massively with Moribund. 
  • craftseekercraftseeker Member RarePosts: 1,740
    koldmiser said:
    MMO's are not dead. We just have a ton of elitists who abandon ship when one little thing doesn't fit with their image of what an MMO should be. 
    MOGs are not dead and indeed are thriving.

    MMORPGs, however are on life support and fading fast. Insisting that the health of MOGs (multiplayer online games) somehow shows that MMORPGs are healthy too is simply ridiculous.
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