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MMORPG truly a dying genre

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  • BluemazeBluemaze Member UncommonPosts: 4
    Lobo, I am an old gamer who couldn't agree with you more. MMO's are my favorite genre. Having played UO, EQ, WoW, SWG, etc and lots more, I have been so critical of many new MMO's and won't buy them because they don't advance the genre. I had TOTALLY lost faith that any company could do better....
    Then one day someone restored that faith....
    Jeremy Walsh from Chronicles of Elyria.
  • craftseekercraftseeker Member RarePosts: 1,740
    Not sure mmorpg's are dying they just have a confused identity crisis. You Have Card games, RP games, FPS, RTS, Turn based, Simulations, Sports, MMODGs and Social. I'm sure I forgot something. The point I'm making is there is so many choices (Niche games), players are just spread out. Games that have population problems are understandable. So many choices it is hard for people to stay loyal to a single game unless it is really really great.
    Yes there are a lot of MOGs out there, you have quite a list, there are more types of course.  But none of them are MMORPGs, which as the OP said are dying out.



    MOG = Multiplayer Online Game 
  • reeereeereeereee Member UncommonPosts: 1,636
    Another bitter EQ1 or UO vet announcing the genre is dead?  How many does that make for this month?
  • NorseGodNorseGod Member EpicPosts: 2,372
    reeereee said:
    Another bitter EQ1 or UO vet announcing the genre is dead?  How many does that make for this month?
    Care to share which game you are playing and for how long?
    To talk about games without the censorship, check out https://www.reddit.com/r/MMORPG/
  • reeereeereeereee Member UncommonPosts: 1,636
    NorseGod said:
    reeereee said:
    Another bitter EQ1 or UO vet announcing the genre is dead?  How many does that make for this month?
    Care to share which game you are playing and for how long?
    Just finished two pretty great months with BDO.  FFA PvP is not something I'm remotely interested in.  I was able to overlook that for a while because the other elements in the game were great but eventually it got to be too much.  If they had made a PvE server I would still be playing.

    Looking forward to going back to WoW in a  few months for the new expansion been playing that game on and off since launch. 

    Probably going to subscribe to SWTOR in a few days and catch up on the story there.

    Currently playing Blade and Soul and gw2.

    Oh wait, was that how long comment asking about my old school cred?
  • NorseGodNorseGod Member EpicPosts: 2,372
    reeereee said:
    NorseGod said:
    reeereee said:
    Another bitter EQ1 or UO vet announcing the genre is dead?  How many does that make for this month?
    Care to share which game you are playing and for how long?
    Just finished two pretty great months with BDO.  FFA PvP is not something I'm remotely interested in.  I was able to overlook that for a while because the other elements in the game were great but eventually it got to be too much.  If they had made a PvE server I would still be playing.

    Looking forward to going back to WoW in a  few months for the new expansion been playing that game on and off since launch. 

    Probably going to subscribe to SWTOR in a few days and catch up on the story there.

    Currently playing Blade and Soul and gw2.

    Oh wait, was that how long comment asking about my old school cred?
    Nah, just seeing if I was missing out on something worth being dedicated to.  
    To talk about games without the censorship, check out https://www.reddit.com/r/MMORPG/
  • nerovergilnerovergil Member UncommonPosts: 680
    yes because pve and pvp server need to be separated.  give endless grind to pve players and give max gear/level to pvp player in huge battle arena that has pve elements
  • VengeSunsoarVengeSunsoar Member RarePosts: 6,549
    Failed.  Hmm and yet more and more games are coming out that have  at least some kind of multiplayer online capability.  Interesting. 
    Yep more and more MOGs are coming out (Multiplayer Online Games).

    But MOGs are not MMORPGs, IMHO if you are spending more than 50% of your play time in an instance with a few other players you are in fact playing a MOG. MOBAs are obviously MOGs by this definition, but even the likes of WoW and EQ2 have become MOGs over time. Actual  MMORPGs are very rare these days.

    They are truly a dying b
    Just because you don't like it doesn't mean it is bad.
  • VengeSunsoarVengeSunsoar Member RarePosts: 6,549
    Odd double post thingy here.

    @craftseeker. I can see why many people believe that MMORPG's are dying and I don't necessarily disagree.

    However the OP"s first paragraph discusses how he was sure that online multiplayer play was the future and then discusses how it failed.

    It hasn't, it is overwhelmingly successfull and will continue that way. Just MMORPG part of online mulitplayer play is having a blip. 


    Just because you don't like it doesn't mean it is bad.
  • observerobserver Member RarePosts: 3,685
    edited May 2016
    It might not be dead, and there might be a large quantity to choose from, but the quality has been severely lacking since around 2012.

    The last major MMO games, with a modicum of quality, were Swtor, GW2, ESO, FFXIV, etc.

    Ever since those titles, we've had AA, B&S, BDO, H1Z1, Skyforge, EoS, WS, Landmark, etc... i mean seriously?  To deny that the genre isn't in a slump is to deny reality (ironically).

    Star Citizen might be the only upcoming MMO that could give the genre a much needed adrenaline shot, due to all the hype it's generated, and i say this as an SC skeptic/hater.
  • DullahanDullahan Member EpicPosts: 4,516
    Don't think the situation is quite as dire as the OP suggests, but its definitely a sad spot we find ourselves in.

    Not that dire because all it will take is 1 or 2 of these indie games spending a few million and making back 100x that will bring the triples A studios right back on board. Not that they really matter though, because they will simply emulate the shit out of whatever is succeeding until everyone gets sick of it and the entire process repeats itself.


  • AAAMEOWAAAMEOW Member UncommonPosts: 1,132
    There are just no market.

    Many people who enjoy mmorpg are already playing an mmorpg.  Even if newer ones come out, they'll still stick with the old ones.
  • PhaserlightPhaserlight Member EpicPosts: 2,941
    More than a decade later, MMORPGs are one of the few genres of video game I'm still interested in playing.  I think that says a lot about their appeal and relevance today.

    "The simple is the seal of the true and beauty is the splendor of truth" -Subrahmanyan Chandrasekhar
    Authored 139 missions in Vendetta Online and 4 tracks in Distance

  • nariusseldonnariusseldon Member EpicPosts: 27,772
    Dullahan said:
    Don't think the situation is quite as dire as the OP suggests, but its definitely a sad spot we find ourselves in.


    and i think it is great. Finally the market has moved on from old tired classical MMORPGs, and with more variety in online games than ever.

    Even Blizz ditches the classical mmorpg design, and made an online shooter. 
  • Loke666Loke666 Member EpicPosts: 21,441
    yes because pve and pvp server need to be separated.  give endless grind to pve players and give max gear/level to pvp player in huge battle arena that has pve elements
    I kinda think that they need more sepration than that, to really work you probably should have different games for them.

    At the moment one, the other or both are seriously hurt. PvEers focus a lot on improving stats and gear and usually have a huge powergap but PvP isn't very fun unless most fights are close enough to be interesting and that demands a low powergap. You could use a system similar to GW2s downleveling to get it to work (you probably need a bit more tuning though, downleveling gear to some point as well as stats and HP) but so far have I not seen that in an open world.

    Trying to make your game appeal to everyone usually makes no-one really happy, compromizes makes all kinds of gameplay worse.

    Arena PvP is easier but it honestly isn't near as fun as PvP in an open world.
  • Viper482Viper482 Member EpicPosts: 2,764
    FFFG said:
    Viper482 said:
    FFFG said:
    Wrong the old school bitter mmo vet is a dying breed.  Truthfully I think that is a good thing.  You guys have been left in the dust the fact today we have more people playing mmos then ever before and the fact we have more mmos to choose from then ever before pretty much destroy your doom and gloom rant...my advice to you OP is move on this isn't a battle (well you are fighting alone as developers clearly could care less about those like you) you can win...facts just aren't on your side.
    What facts are those? That gamers like you actually like this crap they try to call MMORPG's today? The fact is you have no clue what a true MMORPG is all about and what makes it great. We "old school bitter vets" are bitter. Because we had a genre we enjoyed, it was niche, but it was ours. Now devs cater to the masses of people like you willing to take some cheap experience you will play here and there and move on. Probably spend hundreds of dollars in the cash shop while you are at it. They love you and yours, which is why they will continue to put out this Asian MMO cash grab crap until you get bored and move on to some other genre.

    You are right, developers don't care about us, but do you think they care about you? You are a big fat money sack with bones to them, nothing more. They hear $$$$$cha-ching$$$$$ when they see you coming. So spare me the condescending remarks about us as if you are somehow the superior one here.
    Oh yeah show us your anger and hostility show us how emotional you get over video games yes let that anger over video games out you go man. 

    See the the difference is I am intelligent enough to know the Developers indie and big are here to make money.  I am also intelligent enough to make my own decisions on what I spend my money on.  I am also mature enough where I will never get emotionally involved in video games like you clearly are...so yes you put that all together I'm clearly far superior then those who act like you. 
    Dude. What hostility? What anger? What emotion? Did I do a emoticon? How do you get this from text? ALL CAPS? I don't recall using them. I simply smacked your ideas in the rear and sent them home. You talked smack, I smacked back. Looks like you are the one with the problem here, not me.
    Make MMORPG's Great Again!
  • Viper482Viper482 Member EpicPosts: 2,764
    Distopia said:
    Viper482 said:
    FFFG said:
    Wrong the old school bitter mmo vet is a dying breed.  Truthfully I think that is a good thing.  You guys have been left in the dust the fact today we have more people playing mmos then ever before and the fact we have more mmos to choose from then ever before pretty much destroy your doom and gloom rant...my advice to you OP is move on this isn't a battle (well you are fighting alone as developers clearly could care less about those like you) you can win...facts just aren't on your side.
    What facts are those? That gamers like you actually like this crap they try to call MMORPG's today? The fact is you have no clue what a true MMORPG is all about and what makes it great. We "old school bitter vets" are bitter. Because we had a genre we enjoyed, it was niche, but it was ours. Now devs cater to the masses of people like you willing to take some cheap experience you will play here and there and move on. Probably spend hundreds of dollars in the cash shop while you are at it. They love you and yours, which is why they will continue to put out this Asian MMO cash grab crap until you get bored and move on to some other genre.

    You are right, developers don't care about us, but do you think they care about you? You are a big fat money sack with bones to them, nothing more. They hear $$$$$cha-ching$$$$$ when they see you coming. So spare me the condescending remarks about us as if you are somehow the superior one here.
    Calm down....


    What about folks like myself who experienced both, can enjoy both old and new and have accepted shit in life changes? I can tell you one thing, it's better than being bitter and getting this angry over the topic.
    Calm down? rofl....you guys try to read into text too much. I don't care about the topic itself, I simply replied to a post I thought was full of crap.
    Make MMORPG's Great Again!
  • FFFGFFFG Member UncommonPosts: 73
    edited May 2016
    Viper482 said:
    FFFG said:
    Viper482 said:
    FFFG said:
    Wrong the old school bitter mmo vet is a dying breed.  Truthfully I think that is a good thing.  You guys have been left in the dust the fact today we have more people playing mmos then ever before and the fact we have more mmos to choose from then ever before pretty much destroy your doom and gloom rant...my advice to you OP is move on this isn't a battle (well you are fighting alone as developers clearly could care less about those like you) you can win...facts just aren't on your side.
    What facts are those? That gamers like you actually like this crap they try to call MMORPG's today? The fact is you have no clue what a true MMORPG is all about and what makes it great. We "old school bitter vets" are bitter. Because we had a genre we enjoyed, it was niche, but it was ours. Now devs cater to the masses of people like you willing to take some cheap experience you will play here and there and move on. Probably spend hundreds of dollars in the cash shop while you are at it. They love you and yours, which is why they will continue to put out this Asian MMO cash grab crap until you get bored and move on to some other genre.

    You are right, developers don't care about us, but do you think they care about you? You are a big fat money sack with bones to them, nothing more. They hear $$$$$cha-ching$$$$$ when they see you coming. So spare me the condescending remarks about us as if you are somehow the superior one here.
    Oh yeah show us your anger and hostility show us how emotional you get over video games yes let that anger over video games out you go man. 

    See the the difference is I am intelligent enough to know the Developers indie and big are here to make money.  I am also intelligent enough to make my own decisions on what I spend my money on.  I am also mature enough where I will never get emotionally involved in video games like you clearly are...so yes you put that all together I'm clearly far superior then those who act like you. 
    Dude. What hostility? What anger? What emotion? Did I do a emoticon? How do you get this from text? ALL CAPS? I don't recall using them. I simply smacked your ideas in the rear and sent them home. You talked smack, I smacked back. Looks like you are the one with the problem here, not me.
    Yeah crying about how a genre passed you by is really smacking my ideas lol.  No the old bitter vets who can't move on from a hobby that passed them by like you are the ones with issues.  You know a 6 year old is able to move on from a hobby?  It's amazing some  grown adults can't they stick around crying on some random forum about how all these games that passed them by are crap.   Yeah keep up the smack talk buddy lol. 
  • scorpex-xscorpex-x Member RarePosts: 1,030
    AAAMEOW said:
    There are just no market.

    Many people who enjoy mmorpg are already playing an mmorpg.  Even if newer ones come out, they'll still stick with the old ones.
    This right here.

    Every mmorpg that is lauched gets a slice of the market and players love that game and want to stick to it for a very long time, they even get defensive and attack newer games (you see this a lot with people bashing on BDO for instance).  

    The publishers have simply had enough of us and now don't make newer games because we just hate on them anyway, we are the worst market to make games for that there is.  All these publishers see how we acted to new games and the pleasure many of us took in ripping into games that competed with our titles, they saw the spectacular fails like Wildstar and they saw how tribal we are.  The real surprising thing is that people are shocked the developers don't want anything to do with this niche and toxic market anymore, can you really blame them?  Instead of being happy that new titles were coming out we all bashed them for anything we could (And the white knight fanboys were just as bad because they fanned the flames), ripped into them and played a big role in bringing some down.  We don't deserve new AAA games.

    As I've said before though, it really doesn't matter that much because we have a ton of mmorpg titles running and being updated, the mmorpg market is full of games that we can all swap between and enjoy. 
  • TheocritusTheocritus Member EpicPosts: 7,070
    We sure get alot of these same threads
  • nariusseldonnariusseldon Member EpicPosts: 27,772
    scorpex-x said:


    Every mmorpg that is lauched gets a slice of the market and players love that game and want to stick to it for a very long time
    say what? Most MMORPGs are f2p. On average f2p MMO loses 80% of their players within 30 days.

    https://www.superdataresearch.com/blog/understanding-mmo-retention/
  • Righteous_RockRighteous_Rock Member RarePosts: 1,234
    You can't really say mmorpg are dieing, look at the success of recently launched mmorpg Overwatch.
  • KrimzinKrimzin Member UncommonPosts: 683
    The Genre will never die. It may go down in popularity but it can never die as long as there are folks who enjoy it like myself. Its really only Genre I do like. I play FPS randomly, but always come back to MMOs. All it will take is one solid title to revamp the genre.

    Just because I'm a gamer doesn't mean I drive a Honda.

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  • DullahanDullahan Member EpicPosts: 4,516
    edited May 2016
    yes because pve and pvp server need to be separated.  give endless grind to pve players and give max gear/level to pvp player in huge battle arena that has pve elements
    PvP alone will never sustain an mmo playerbase. History has shown over and over that an mmo must be fun without PvP for it to be fun with it. Without something worthwhile to fight over like progression, it just gets boring.

    Most players who enjoy PvP also enjoy good PvE. At this point it can be established that tiny subset of players that remain in PvP games after everyone else has left(see Darkfall, see Mortal Online etc) do not represent the majority but only the vocal minority.


  • LobotomistLobotomist Member RarePosts: 5,820
    Bluemaze said:
    Lobo, I am an old gamer who couldn't agree with you more. MMO's are my favorite genre. Having played UO, EQ, WoW, SWG, etc and lots more, I have been so critical of many new MMO's and won't buy them because they don't advance the genre. I had TOTALLY lost faith that any company could do better....
    Then one day someone restored that faith....
    Jeremy Walsh from Chronicles of Elyria.
    But this is exactly what I am talking about.

    CoE is perhaps the only one pushing the genre forward. But you can not make such game with 2 million dollars.

    I wave worked on mobile game resembling Puzzle&Dragons , and it cost 2 million dollars.

    It was maybe 0.01% of scope of Elyra.


    Who ever supported CoE will get very rude awakening sooner or later. It just can not be done.



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