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Would you pay to play offical WoW legacy servers?

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  • VarkingVarking Member UncommonPosts: 542
    The detractors are hilarious.  I look forward to reading more of their posts as the petition numbers grow.  Denial at its best!
    And what will "petition" numbers do? After 150 votes on this website you are making the claim with 80 yeses that interest is clearly there. Of coarse there are people interested in vanilla WoW. Nobody made the claim there wasn't interest. But is that interest enough to get Blizzard to make vanilla servers? I don't think so. I only tried the private servers because they were free while I paid to play other MMORPGs. The nostalgia wore off after a couple of weeks for my group and I. 


  • WhySoSeriousWhySoSerious Member UncommonPosts: 156
    Vanilla WoW is my fav MMO ever made. So yes... however, if they had some cash shop garbage like buyable 60's or something, that would be a deal-breaker for me, and I'd just stick to private servers.
  • VarkingVarking Member UncommonPosts: 542
    Varking said:
    The detractors are hilarious.  I look forward to reading more of their posts as the petition numbers grow.  Denial at its best!
    And what will "petition" numbers do? After 150 votes on this website you are making the claim with 80 yeses that interest is clearly there. Of coarse there are people interested in vanilla WoW. Nobody made the claim there wasn't interest. But is that interest enough to get Blizzard to make vanilla servers? I don't think so. I only tried the private servers because they were free while I paid to play other MMORPGs. The nostalgia wore off after a couple of weeks for my group and I. 


    Hmmmm ... yeah, you're wrong.  Nuff said.
    Great rebuttal. Also having no rebuttal to the questions I asked in the original post I made about updates, bugs, class balance, and so on.


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    Before you get to that point (where it's up and running) you've got all sorts of integration issues to get through, for example:

    - the launcher will need to be updated to allow you to install and maintain extra versions of the client, which weren't necessarily developed to be deployed using the current launcher

    - Battle.net integration has changed massively over the last 10 years; people will expect to continue to be able to talk to their RealID friends from the old servers, which means updating all that infrastructure in every version you release

    - the server architecture and data centers have almost certainly also changed over the years to handle new features; if nothing else someone will have to dig out the old specs and set up some new machines, but there's probably other details here in how they actually run the servers

    - they've said a few times that they don't actually have the backend old code lying around ready to use; this might just be an excuse, but if it's even just partly true, there's potential for a whole load of developer time here rolling things back to how they used to be and making sure it still works

    - all the website and account management services would need to be updated to e.g. stop you transferring characters between servers of different versions. And people will expect to be able to use services like faction transfers which weren't necessarily available in the past.

    Then once you get the servers up and running, you have to train your QA staff and GMs to work with all the different versions of the game and not provide answers which don't apply to this particular server; you have to train your data center engineers to perform weekly maintenance according to different procedures based on which server they're working on; and because you're now charging for access to a product, you have to make sure it lives up to a certain level of quality that your consumers expect - "it's an old version so just live with it being flaky" doesn't cut it when people like yourself might be paying their monthly subs specifically to access these servers.

    None of these are issues that private servers have to contend with - as long as their one server with their one version of the code is up and running, they don't really have to care about anything else, and everyone puts up with that because they don't expect anything different. It becomes a much bigger proposition if Blizzard themselves are going to offer that service.

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  • VelifaxVelifax Member UncommonPosts: 413
    I certainly would give it several months at least. The difficulty, time investment, and nostalgia would be worth it alone. Atop that I missed quite a bit of it, and wouldn't mind catching up. 

    It it wouldn't be "my game" though. Nowadays there are even better games, even from that era (EQ emu, EVE, FFXI emu).
  • ForgrimmForgrimm Member EpicPosts: 3,059
    The number of detractors or supporters is irrelevant. Blizz has said time and time again they have no plans of doing it. It's brought up so frequently on the WoW forums that there's an "official Wall of No" response template: http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/20742474845#14
  • nariusseldonnariusseldon Member EpicPosts: 27,775
    Forgrimm said:
    The number of detractors or supporters is irrelevant. Blizz has said time and time again they have no plans of doing it. It's brought up so frequently on the WoW forums that there's an "official Wall of No" response template: http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/20742474845#14
    simply .. Blizz don't think this will make enough money. Some small polls on MMO websites don't prove a thing, business-wise. 
  • tawesstawess Member EpicPosts: 4,227



    1;Having said that, yes it would still be worth it for Blizzard to host legacy servers.

    2:What made Blizzard one of the most successful game developers of all time?  If you know the answer to that question, then you'll understand my position.

    1: How?

    2: Their RTS games (and rock n roll racing)

    This have been a good conversation

  • ArmendiusArmendius Member UncommonPosts: 119
    edited April 2016
    Typical hype thing this whole idea, everyone is always possitive about how things would feel when they are not there yet, even with new games.

    But in the end if it were to become reality, only then you feel again what you miss and feel now.
    Everyone think that going back into the past would still feel the same, but you will certaintly run a cold end, as it will never ever be the same.

    The content is old, you know what to do, you feel again like doing the things you done before like that feeling with many games.

    It will only work if the old ways become the new habbit for future content as an option.

  • VengeSunsoarVengeSunsoar Member EpicPosts: 6,601
    They understood the 2005ish market well enough to make a game that would appeal to a great many different markets, those that played MMO's, didn't play MMO's and had tried MMO's and didn't like them, then were able to successfully market that game to those people.

    Bringing back the 2005ish game without the market being the same would not give the same results. Is the market the same?
    Just because you don't like it doesn't mean it is bad.
  • nariusseldonnariusseldon Member EpicPosts: 27,775
    Stizzled said:


    People forget that a lot of us are still, and have been for years, playing on private servers for these old versions of the game. We aren't asking for this because we think we want it, we're asking because we know we want it and we'd prefer it from an official source.
    and why is that of concern to Blizz? Are you a group big enough for them to even pay attention?
  • ArmendiusArmendius Member UncommonPosts: 119
    Armendius said:
    Typical hype thing this whole idea, everyone is always possitive about how things would feel when they are not there yet, even with new games.

    But in the end if it were to become reality, only then you feel again what you miss and feel now.
    Everyone think that going back into the past would still feel the same, but you will certaintly run a cold end, as it will never ever be the same.

    The content is old, you know what to do, you feel again like doing the things you done before like feeling that with many games.

    It will only work if the old ways become the new habbit for future content as an option.

    People forget that a lot of us are still, and have been for years, playing on private servers for these old versions of the game. We aren't asking for this because we think we want it, we're asking because we know we want it and we'd prefer it from an official source.


    You are telling me you would subscibe for years just playing the old content, limited to just that version for years?.
    What exactly is the difference that you are feeling to desire to pay for that being official?

    I do not wish to twist the topic about amasses or forgetting a part of the community poll.
    Could we atleast stay on the topic, and is no part of my post either you Quote. 
  • spicyflakesspicyflakes Member CommonPosts: 3
    I would actually pay to be part of a community where each person depends on one another. As of right now, it just feels like que for dungeon, fight, and leave. rinse and repeat.
  • VengeSunsoarVengeSunsoar Member EpicPosts: 6,601
    I would actually pay to be part of a community where each person depends on one another. As of right now, it just feels like que for dungeon, fight, and leave. rinse and repeat.
    I'm kind of a mix on that. I admit I may have an incompatible criteria. I like to be independent but I like others being around for the randomness that real people bring. I do like people needing me, I don't like needing them.

    It's a conundrum. 
    Just because you don't like it doesn't mean it is bad.
  • nariusseldonnariusseldon Member EpicPosts: 27,775
    Stizzled said:
    Stizzled said:


    People forget that a lot of us are still, and have been for years, playing on private servers for these old versions of the game. We aren't asking for this because we think we want it, we're asking because we know we want it and we'd prefer it from an official source.
    and why is that of concern to Blizz? Are you a group big enough for them to even pay attention?
    Maybe it is and maybe it isn't, we won't ever know unless we speak up. Is there any harm in making our wants known? 

    Why is our want of legacy servers any concern to those who don't?
    Of course not .. and is there any harm for me to question whether there is a big enough group?

    I did not ask you not to express your opinion, i merely question if enough holds the same opinions. A pretty fair question, don't you think?
  • nariusseldonnariusseldon Member EpicPosts: 27,775

    I would actually pay to be part of a community where each person depends on one another. As of right now, it just feels like que for dungeon, fight, and leave. rinse and repeat.
    I wouldn't. I don't want my fun to depend on others. Queuing for an instance, play and leave is great .. you can even treat others as NPCs. 
  • nariusseldonnariusseldon Member EpicPosts: 27,775

    I would actually pay to be part of a community where each person depends on one another. As of right now, it just feels like que for dungeon, fight, and leave. rinse and repeat.
    I wouldn't. I don't want my fun to depend on others. Queuing for an instance, play and leave is great .. you can even treat others as NPCs. 
    Great.  Then don't play on them.  You're in the minority on this poll currently, though.
    Of course I don't. And yes, i am a minority on this poll. Let me ask you this .. is Blizz going to actually put up a legacy server because of this poll?
  • ArmendiusArmendius Member UncommonPosts: 119
    Stizzled said:
    Stizzled said:


    People forget that a lot of us are still, and have been for years, playing on private servers for these old versions of the game. We aren't asking for this because we think we want it, we're asking because we know we want it and we'd prefer it from an official source.
    and why is that of concern to Blizz? Are you a group big enough for them to even pay attention?
    Maybe it is and maybe it isn't, we won't ever know unless we speak up. Is there any harm in making our wants known? 

    Why is our want of legacy servers any concern to those who don't?
    Of course not .. and is there any harm for me to question whether there is a big enough group?

    I did not ask you not to express your opinion, i merely question if enough holds the same opinions. A pretty fair question, don't you think?
    Indeed it is.  And to your answer your question, you may look at the results of this poll. :)
    Actually a poll is an indication, whether reallity is becomeing the same has to be seen.
  • MavolenceMavolence Member UncommonPosts: 635
    Yes, i'd sub for legacy WoW servers or Vanilla WoW pre TBC server.
  • NetspookNetspook Member UncommonPosts: 1,583
    No
  • NildenNilden Member EpicPosts: 3,916
    147,000+ signatures ...  of you don't want that ....
    Even as someone who signed that petition, let's be honest internet petitions are pretty useless...

    The private servers already proved demand and I'm one of the people who want legacy servers and would pay to play on them but don't play on private servers.

    Really if some volunteer team with no funding can put up private servers that bring in thousands of people I'm sure official Blizzard servers would double anything any private server could do even if people had to pay for it.

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  • jacker1991jacker1991 Member UncommonPosts: 191
    For sure! Specially since the retards would stay in the current easy mode servers. I have not played WoW since WoTLK and would love to go back to Vanilla/TBC.
  • nariusseldonnariusseldon Member EpicPosts: 27,775
    147,000+ signatures ...  of you don't want that ....

    Even if all of those ~150k people are willing to pay a sub (which probably is not true), we are talking about only $2.25M a month.

    Hearthstone, as a point of comparison, is bringing in $20M a month (http://www.polygon.com/2015/8/11/9130779/superdata-hearthstone-pulls-in-20-million-a-month-as-it-disrupts-the).

    So I highly doubt Blizz would care about 147k signatures, many may not even pay a sub. 
  • VengeSunsoarVengeSunsoar Member EpicPosts: 6,601
    I guess when you and they agree on what number significant means.
    Just because you don't like it doesn't mean it is bad.
  • NildenNilden Member EpicPosts: 3,916
    147,000+ signatures ...  of you don't want that ....

    Even if all of those ~150k people are willing to pay a sub (which probably is not true), we are talking about only $2.25M a month.

    Hearthstone, as a point of comparison, is bringing in $20M a month (http://www.polygon.com/2015/8/11/9130779/superdata-hearthstone-pulls-in-20-million-a-month-as-it-disrupts-the).

    So I highly doubt Blizz would care about 147k signatures, many may not even pay a sub. 
    Yea because what company would want to make 2 million a month on what could be done by volunteers with no funding. ;)

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  • WhySoSeriousWhySoSerious Member UncommonPosts: 156
    Armendius said:
    Typical hype thing this whole idea, everyone is always possitive about how things would feel when they are not there yet, even with new games.

    But in the end if it were to become reality, only then you feel again what you miss and feel now.
    Everyone think that going back into the past would still feel the same, but you will certaintly run a cold end, as it will never ever be the same.

    The content is old, you know what to do, you feel again like doing the things you done before like that feeling with many games.

    It will only work if the old ways become the new habbit for future content as an option.


    But.... I played on Nostalrius for over a year. My enjoyment of Vanilla WoW is real and lasting. Nostalgia has nothing to do with why I play Vanilla. 
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