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  • KiyorisKiyoris Member RarePosts: 2,130
    Wizardry said:

    The mindset and only criteria of gamer's seems to be,it is NEW must buy,must spend money.
    This has a name in photography. People call it "GAS"..short for Gear Acquisition Syndrome.
  • tawesstawess Member EpicPosts: 4,191
    Kiyoris said:
    Playstation VR is the only VR that makes any sense. It's $399, which is a figure most people can justify. And you don't need any expensive hardware upgrades, it will run on every playstation 4.


    Sure... 399 + move controllers and camera + the new PS4K if you like it to run at a solid 90 fps(sony has set 60 fps as the lower hard cap. So that is what they are ok with their VR running in.). That should land you at.... 

    It is a bit ballsy to say it will run on all PS4´s as we have yet to really see it run on any PS4. Proof will be one it hits retail. 

    Tawess gaming

    Tawess soapbox

    This have been a good conversation

  • TorvalTorval Member LegendaryPosts: 20,018
    edited March 2016

    observer said:
    Kyleran said:
    I'm more interested in how many MMORPG developers are rushing to support these devices, which ones will they support since there is no clear standard, and when will EVE support VR?

    All the rest is just background noise, I could care less about VR support for random console game XYZ that I'll never play.

    Stay Pure!


    I'm not sure VR is suitable for MMO's.  As someone mentioned above, mmo players play for up to 8 hours or more in one sitting.

    Not only that, but 3rd person VR is awkward.  Devs will need to come out with different camera positioning.
    If long play sessions are a problem for VR then VR is going to be a problem for gamers. It's not just mmo gamers that play for long sessions. A lot of PC and console gamers play for long sessions.

    If VR is a problem outside of first person view it's going to dramatically hamper adoption. Skyrim and FPS fans won't mind, but then they'll only be able to play for 20 minutes. That will be a deal breaker. All of the third person and isometric RPG, RTS, Sim, and sidescroller/arcade fans won't have any use for VR. That's a majority of the market.

    Until those things, along with the staggering cost of adoption are sorted out, it will remain a fringe technology. I'm sure it will eventually find popularity with its niche though once cost of adoption drops and the tech matures.
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  • TorvalTorval Member LegendaryPosts: 20,018
    PS4 with it's hardware limits is one part, as we don't see big AAA games hitting on the system, if they don't have a game or something make people use the VR most of the time, it's just going be a other gimmick. That people won't pick it up anymore when there still better games with out using the VR on the PS4.

    PC VR is like on the Edge being a gimmick being costing to much.
    The platform has AAA games like GTA V and I'm sure it will be popular with first person players. The limited play sessions are what might kill it outright.
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  • mgilbrtsnmgilbrtsn Member EpicPosts: 3,321
    Without a single one of these companies releasing any sales numbers the term "sold out" is meaningless. If all they are doing is running small production batches to test the waters then the actual number of VR units may actually be very, very small. It's all a marketing ploy to gin up hype.

    That said, once some games that I'm interested in get made for VR I'll be purchasing a Vive. From everything I've read it's the best Gen 1 headset .
    Why can't people accept good news.  Yes, we don't have the specific numbers, but when everyone coming out has sold out, it at least hints that things are looking good for VR.  No?

    That damn glass isn't always half empty.

    Concentrate on enjoying yourself, and not on why I shouldn't enjoy myself.

  • RexKushmanRexKushman Member RarePosts: 590
    mgilbrtsn said:
    Without a single one of these companies releasing any sales numbers the term "sold out" is meaningless. If all they are doing is running small production batches to test the waters then the actual number of VR units may actually be very, very small. It's all a marketing ploy to gin up hype.

    That said, once some games that I'm interested in get made for VR I'll be purchasing a Vive. From everything I've read it's the best Gen 1 headset .
    Why can't people accept good news.  Yes, we don't have the specific numbers, but when everyone coming out has sold out, it at least hints that things are looking good for VR.  No?

    That damn glass isn't always half empty.
    Don't know what glass you're drinking out of but mine is always 3/4 full. I think this newest generation of VR tech is awesome and I look forward to some games that I actually like being available on them. 

    That doesn't mean that I'm going to fall for a marketing ploy and a bunch of nonsense from paid shills.

  • observerobserver Member RarePosts: 3,685
    Torval said:

    observer said:
    Kyleran said:
    I'm more interested in how many MMORPG developers are rushing to support these devices, which ones will they support since there is no clear standard, and when will EVE support VR?

    All the rest is just background noise, I could care less about VR support for random console game XYZ that I'll never play.

    Stay Pure!


    I'm not sure VR is suitable for MMO's.  As someone mentioned above, mmo players play for up to 8 hours or more in one sitting.

    Not only that, but 3rd person VR is awkward.  Devs will need to come out with different camera positioning.
    If long play sessions are a problem for VR then VR is going to be a problem for gamers. It's not just mmo gamers that play for long sessions. A lot of PC and console gamers play for long sessions.

    If VR is a problem outside of first person view it's going to dramatically hamper adoption. Skyrim and FPS fans won't mind, but then they'll only be able to play for 20 minutes. That will be a deal breaker. All of the third person and isometric RPG, RTS, Sim, and sidescroller/arcade fans won't have any use for VR. That's a majority of the market.

    Until those things, along with the staggering cost of adoption are sorted out, it will remain a fringe technology. I'm sure it will eventually find popularity with its niche though once cost of adoption drops and the tech matures.
    This is why i think the gaming industry is the wrong target audience for VR.  It's more suitable for virtual worlds, collaboration/development, movies, concerts, exploration, documentaries, conferences, etc.

    There are so many other things it could be used for, but devs want to focus on the major money makers, which is currently game development.
  • rojoArcueidrojoArcueid Member EpicPosts: 10,421
    PS4 with it's hardware limits is one part, as we don't see big AAA games hitting on the system, if they don't have a game or something make people use the VR most of the time, it's just going be a other gimmick. That people won't pick it up anymore when there still better games with out using the VR on the PS4.

    PC VR is like on the Edge being a gimmick being costing to much.
    PS4 doesnt have big AAA games? Or do you specifically mean big VR AAA games?
    The former is flat out wrong, and the latter is the same for PC too as none of them are out yet.




  • SEANMCADSEANMCAD Member EpicPosts: 16,775
    ubisoft has made a VR game

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  • EponyxDamorEponyxDamor Member RarePosts: 733
    H0urg1ass said:
    Without a single one of these companies releasing any sales numbers the term "sold out" is meaningless. If all they are doing is running small production batches to test the waters then the actual number of VR units may actually be very, very small. It's all a marketing ploy to gin up hype.

    That said, once some games that I'm interested in get made for VR I'll be purchasing a Vive. From everything I've read it's the best Gen 1 headset .
    Going to media sites and telling everyone that their batch of 100 VR headsets has SOLD OUT! is a marketing trick as old as Rome.  When everyone hears that the first production run Sold Out!  or has Limited Quantities Available!, then they may be less skittish about pulling the trigger when they become available again.  OH man!  They're back on sale!  I had better get one of these things that I'm not even sure that I want before they sell out again!

    I'm not saying that VR won't be super popular or mainstream, but I am saying that this is a load of horse shit marketing.

    EDIT:  LOL, I didn't read to the bottom before posting but here's a golden nugget at the bottom of the article:  "For those who miss this round of pre-orders, Sony says not to despair, as it’ll offer a second wave this summer."

    Don't despair folks!  Their marketing plan is working as intended! kekeke
    Nail on the head.

    Some people don't understand how high-end electronic devices aren't capable of being mass-produced due to low demand. "Selling out" isn't an indicator of high demand; just that the item doesn't have many production runs due to low margins or limited capital to create inventory.
  • SEANMCADSEANMCAD Member EpicPosts: 16,775

    Nail on the head.

    Some people don't understand how high-end electronic devices aren't capable of being mass-produced due to low demand. "Selling out" isn't an indicator of high demand; just that the item doesn't have many production runs due to low margins or limited capital to create inventory.
    here is the issue I am having

    Claim 1: 'nobody is running out and buying these things right now'
    evidence to suggest Claim 1: 0

    Claim 2: 'people are running out to buy these things right now'
    evidence to suggest claim 2: 5  + other similar data points such as long lines at VR demos at conventions

    Rebute to 2: 'doesnt mean..'
    evidence to provide rebute 2: nothing

    rebute 2 might end up being correct however on this day right now with what we know, it appears people ARE running out to buy these things PLUS there is no evidence to suggest the opposite.. like zero

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  • EponyxDamorEponyxDamor Member RarePosts: 733
    SEANMCAD said:

    Nail on the head.

    Some people don't understand how high-end electronic devices aren't capable of being mass-produced due to low demand. "Selling out" isn't an indicator of high demand; just that the item doesn't have many production runs due to low margins or limited capital to create inventory.
    here is the issue I am having

    Claim 1: 'nobody is running out and buying these things right now'
    evidence to suggest Claim 1: 0

    Claim 2: 'people are running out to buy these things right now'
    evidence to suggest claim 2: 5  + other similar data points such as long lines at VR demos at conventions

    Rebute to 2: 'doesnt mean..'
    evidence to provide rebute 2: nothing

    rebute 2 might end up being correct however on this day right now with what we know, it appears people ARE running out to buy these things PLUS there is no evidence to suggest the opposite.. like zero
    Without sales numbers, even your claims mean nothing. Please; your agenda is showing.
  • SEANMCADSEANMCAD Member EpicPosts: 16,775
    edited March 2016
    SEANMCAD said:

    Nail on the head.

    Some people don't understand how high-end electronic devices aren't capable of being mass-produced due to low demand. "Selling out" isn't an indicator of high demand; just that the item doesn't have many production runs due to low margins or limited capital to create inventory.
    here is the issue I am having

    Claim 1: 'nobody is running out and buying these things right now'
    evidence to suggest Claim 1: 0

    Claim 2: 'people are running out to buy these things right now'
    evidence to suggest claim 2: 5  + other similar data points such as long lines at VR demos at conventions

    Rebute to 2: 'doesnt mean..'
    evidence to provide rebute 2: nothing

    rebute 2 might end up being correct however on this day right now with what we know, it appears people ARE running out to buy these things PLUS there is no evidence to suggest the opposite.. like zero
    Without sales numbers, even your claims mean nothing. Please; your agenda is showing.
    which I think is why you guys hang on to the one data point that has no information at all as your evidence point to support what appears to be happening.

    if you read what I said fairly carefully you will see what I am saying is 'at this moment in time it APPEARS as if....'

    I am making my claim of what APPEARS to be happening on at least some level of facts.

    you guys are making a claim of the exact opposite based on ZERO EVIDENCE whatsoever.

    go back read my claim example again, try to digest it


    maybe what you want me to do is dig deep and find some sales numbers? maybe that is what you are motovating me to do

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  • EponyxDamorEponyxDamor Member RarePosts: 733
    SEANMCAD said:
    SEANMCAD said:

    Nail on the head.

    Some people don't understand how high-end electronic devices aren't capable of being mass-produced due to low demand. "Selling out" isn't an indicator of high demand; just that the item doesn't have many production runs due to low margins or limited capital to create inventory.
    here is the issue I am having

    Claim 1: 'nobody is running out and buying these things right now'
    evidence to suggest Claim 1: 0

    Claim 2: 'people are running out to buy these things right now'
    evidence to suggest claim 2: 5  + other similar data points such as long lines at VR demos at conventions

    Rebute to 2: 'doesnt mean..'
    evidence to provide rebute 2: nothing

    rebute 2 might end up being correct however on this day right now with what we know, it appears people ARE running out to buy these things PLUS there is no evidence to suggest the opposite.. like zero
    Without sales numbers, even your claims mean nothing. Please; your agenda is showing.
    which I think is why you guys hang on to the one data point that has no information at all as your evidence point to support what appears to be happening.

    if you read what I said fairly carefully you will see what I am saying is 'at this moment in time it APPEARS as if....'

    I am making my claim of what APPEARS to be happening on at least some level of facts.

    you guys are making a claim of the exact opposite based on ZERO EVIDENCE whatsoever.

    go back read my claim example again, try to digest it


    The only logical claim you can make based on an item "selling out" is that there isn't enough supply to meet demand. Not that demand is high.

    Claiming that demand for VR headsets is high or that its somehow a popular item without solid sales figures and numbers is ridiculous; you just can't accept that fact.
  • SEANMCADSEANMCAD Member EpicPosts: 16,775
    edited March 2016

    which I think is why you guys hang on to the one data point that has no information at all as your evidence point to support what appears to be happening.

    if you read what I said fairly carefully you will see what I am saying is 'at this moment in time it APPEARS as if....'

    I am making my claim of what APPEARS to be happening on at least some level of facts.

    you guys are making a claim of the exact opposite based on ZERO EVIDENCE whatsoever.

    go back read my claim example again, try to digest it


    The only logical claim you can make based on an item "selling out" is that there isn't enough supply to meet demand. Not that demand is high.

    Claiming that demand for VR headsets is high or that its somehow a popular item without solid sales figures and numbers is ridiculous; you just can't accept that fact.
    ok let me help you out here

    all day I have been talking about TWO statements.

    Statement 1: 'nobody is running out and buying these things right now'

    Statement 2: (mine) 'it appears as if people are doing exactly that'

    to make me stop repeating Statement 1 over and over and over again would you care to address it?
    NOT statement two for now, we have plenty of that. Statement 1...address it....go no evidence is not evidence for statement number 1

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  • EponyxDamorEponyxDamor Member RarePosts: 733
    edited March 2016
    SEANMCAD said:

    which I think is why you guys hang on to the one data point that has no information at all as your evidence point to support what appears to be happening.

    if you read what I said fairly carefully you will see what I am saying is 'at this moment in time it APPEARS as if....'

    I am making my claim of what APPEARS to be happening on at least some level of facts.

    you guys are making a claim of the exact opposite based on ZERO EVIDENCE whatsoever.

    go back read my claim example again, try to digest it


    The only logical claim you can make based on an item "selling out" is that there isn't enough supply to meet demand. Not that demand is high.

    Claiming that demand for VR headsets is high or that its somehow a popular item without solid sales figures and numbers is ridiculous; you just can't accept that fact.
    ok let me help you out here

    all day I have been talking about TWO statements.

    Statement 1: 'nobody is running out and buying these things right now'

    Statement 2: (mine) 'it appears as if people are doing exactly that'

    to make me stop repeating Statement 1 over and over and over again would you care to address it?
    NOT statement two for now, we have plenty of that. Statement 1...address it....go no evidence is not evidence for statement number 1
    I never made statement number 1. Therefore, I will not argue it.

    You should really work on your discussion/argumentative skills; talking at people and demanding they address points they never even made is even more ridiculous than basing popularity on an item being sold out.
  • WarlyxWarlyx Member RarePosts: 3,051
    observer said:
    This is why i think the gaming industry is the wrong target audience for VR.  It's more suitable for virtual worlds, collaboration/development, movies, concerts, exploration, documentaries, conferences, etc.

    There are so many other things it could be used for, but devs want to focus on the major money makers, which is currently game development.
    u forgot the industry that will put 90% of they money , porn!
  • filmoretfilmoret Member EpicPosts: 4,906
    H0urg1ass said:
    Without a single one of these companies releasing any sales numbers the term "sold out" is meaningless. If all they are doing is running small production batches to test the waters then the actual number of VR units may actually be very, very small. It's all a marketing ploy to gin up hype.

    That said, once some games that I'm interested in get made for VR I'll be purchasing a Vive. From everything I've read it's the best Gen 1 headset .
    Going to media sites and telling everyone that their batch of 100 VR headsets has SOLD OUT! is a marketing trick as old as Rome.  When everyone hears that the first production run Sold Out!  or has Limited Quantities Available!, then they may be less skittish about pulling the trigger when they become available again.  OH man!  They're back on sale!  I had better get one of these things that I'm not even sure that I want before they sell out again!

    I'm not saying that VR won't be super popular or mainstream, but I am saying that this is a load of horse shit marketing.

    EDIT:  LOL, I didn't read to the bottom before posting but here's a golden nugget at the bottom of the article:  "For those who miss this round of pre-orders, Sony says not to despair, as it’ll offer a second wave this summer."

    Don't despair folks!  Their marketing plan is working as intended! kekeke
    Its a conspiracy man...    like far out mannnn...    Don't listen to them they are only trying to sell products by lying and cheating.  Just like the color television and laptops.  And those widescreen TV's and cellphones.  Don't fall for it just another hyped out trick fad.
    Are you onto something or just on something?
  • SEANMCADSEANMCAD Member EpicPosts: 16,775
    edited March 2016

    I never made statement number 1. Therefore, I will not argue it.

    You should really work on your discussion/argumentative skills; talking at people and demanding they address points they never even made is even more ridiculous than claiming basing popularity on an item being sold out.
    statement number 1 is what I am most agitated about and when people jump on me it sounds like they are SUPPORTING statement 1 without any evidence at all to support it. If they want me to stop they should address statement 1.

    Regarding statement 2: its like this:

    there is something you dont know, but you need to make a guess. lets say 'how far it is to the next gas stattion' and you dont have a GPS and you have a map with out a ledgend' 

    well.. you collect what you CURRENTLY know and then make a best guess. so you look at how far the last landmark was and then measure and guess.

    You dont keep driving thinking 'ah well sense I dont know 100000000% then it must be the distance from here to mars...clearly'

    it APPEARS....(appears does not mean fact...'appears' means you have colllected what is known and are making a guess...i want to make that clear) it APPEARS at this time....with WHAT WE KNOW, at this time....that people are running out and buying them...we dont know for sure but it APPEARS as this is the case. until we get the numbers which we may very well NEVER get them then we cant know for sure.


    are
    we
    clear
    yet?

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  • EponyxDamorEponyxDamor Member RarePosts: 733
    SEANMCAD said:

    I never made statement number 1. Therefore, I will not argue it.

    You should really work on your discussion/argumentative skills; talking at people and demanding they address points they never even made is even more ridiculous than claiming basing popularity on an item being sold out.
    it APPEARS....(appears does not mean fact...'appears' means you have colllected what is known and are making a guess...got it?) it APPEARS at this time....with WHAT WE KNOW....that people are running out and buying them...we dont know for sure but it APPEARS as this is the case. until we get the numbers which we may very well NEVER get them then we cant know for sure.


    are
    we
    clear
    yet?

    Crystal clear.

    People are buying these things.

    Yes.

    Crystal clear.

    That can be said of most products out there on the market.

    Again, the number of "people" is questionable and the amount of "these things" is unclear.
  • SEANMCADSEANMCAD Member EpicPosts: 16,775
    edited March 2016

    Crystal clear.

    People are buying these things.

    Yes.

    Crystal clear.

    That can be said of most products out there on the market.

    Again, the number of "people" is questionable and the amount of "these things" is unclear.
    getting MUCH better thanks.

    and would you agree that it also 'appears' that people are not....not running out and buying these things'

    do you think its fair with what we know right now in this moment in time and space that its a bit silly to say 'people are not running out and buying these things right now'

    because THAT statement is all I give two Fs about. everything you can have I dont care.,...whatever

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  • SlyLoKSlyLoK Member RarePosts: 2,698
    I would be surprised if all 3 combined are anywhere near 50,000 units..
  • SEANMCADSEANMCAD Member EpicPosts: 16,775
    SlyLoK said:
    I would be surprised if all 3 combined are anywhere near 50,000 units..
    see where do people get these numbers from?

    I read a post today that said 100,000? no more likely like 10,000.

    where does this guess come from? one thing I am NOT doing is making a random guess. I try to go on what is known, not what is not known or pulled from my A

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  • EponyxDamorEponyxDamor Member RarePosts: 733
    SEANMCAD said:

    Crystal clear.

    People are buying these things.

    Yes.

    Crystal clear.

    That can be said of most products out there on the market.

    Again, the number of "people" is questionable and the amount of "these things" is unclear.
    getting MUCH better thanks.

    and would you agree that it also 'appears' that people are not....not running out and buying these things'

    do you think its fair with what we know right now in this moment in time and space that its a bit silly to say 'people are not running out and buying these things right now'

    because THAT statement is all I give two Fs about. everything you can have I dont care.,...whatever
    You should really look into what a straw man argument is, because no one is claiming that statement as far as I can tell. Let me help:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Straw_man

    "A straw man is a common form of argument and is an informal fallacy based on giving the impression of refuting an opponent's argument, while actually refuting an argument that was not advanced by that opponent."
  • SEANMCADSEANMCAD Member EpicPosts: 16,775
    edited March 2016

    You should really look into what a straw man argument is, because no one is claiming that statement as far as I can tell. Let me help:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Straw_man

    "A straw man is a common form of argument and is an informal fallacy based on giving the impression of refuting an opponent's argument, while actually refuting an argument that was not advanced by that opponent."
    so you are or are not willing to suggest that the statement of:
     'nobody is running out and buying these things right now' 
    does not have any evidence to support it and the evidence that we do have seems to suggest the opposite?

    ok well I guess we just keep going then. Maybe if we are lucky we can debate on this on and off for a full week!


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