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  • Jean-Luc_PicardJean-Luc_Picard Member LegendaryPosts: 8,034
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  • Soki123Soki123 Member RarePosts: 2,558
    Scot said:
    It does seem many players believed the hype, we have been doing this for over 16 years (if not back then on this site). Will I be able to come back here in ten years time and still see seasoned players who believed the hype?

    From what I have read BDO is good at what the devs aimed for and poor at everything else, not really a surprise.

    Hopefully I will not see you on the next hype train, but will see you standing in the train waiting room. Calmly assessing what has come out, not games that have not come out/been localised etc.

    Oh, I m extremely glad I got a key. I would have been very upset if I paid for this easy mode pve , part simulator, part MMO, wannabe sandbox, I think it s trying to be.
  • NightHaveNNightHaveN Member UncommonPosts: 1,051
    jmalmin said:
    This was the game I was looking the most forward too, the first sceenshots from this game looked amazing. After watching the Beta of this game I know I will never play the game, not having an end game or raids kinda makes sure that I would get bored very quickly. This is not a game for me

    Doing the same raid for 6 or more months with more than 2 toons get boring too.
  • shalissarshalissar Member UncommonPosts: 508
    Eh, 30 bucks for a costume but I don't have to pay a subscription. I'm actually okay with this.
  • ArChWindArChWind Member UncommonPosts: 1,313
    Scot said:
    It does seem many players believed the hype, we have been doing this for over 16 years (if not back then on this site). Will I be able to come back here in ten years time and still see seasoned players who believed the hype?

    From what I have read BDO is good at what the devs aimed for and poor at everything else, not really a surprise.

    Hopefully I will not see you on the next hype train, but will see you standing in the train waiting room. Calmly assessing what has come out, not games that have not come out/been localised etc.
    Personally, I haven't paid a cent for the game before I actually got beta access.
    I purchased AFTER trying and liking it.

    And I bet I'm not the only one here.

    Same here. Got interested did research. Tried CB was NOT impressed first day. Hate on it. Gave it a fair shake second go through in sandbox elements and really liked it so much I bought it.

    Not everyone is going to like it. Many games to play so pick what you are interested in and play them instead.

  • HeraseHerase Member RarePosts: 991
    Scot said:
    It does seem many players believed the hype, we have been doing this for over 16 years (if not back then on this site). Will I be able to come back here in ten years time and still see seasoned players who believed the hype?

    From what I have read BDO is good at what the devs aimed for and poor at everything else, not really a surprise.

    Hopefully I will not see you on the next hype train, but will see you standing in the train waiting room. Calmly assessing what has come out, not games that have not come out/been localised etc.
    Personally, I haven't paid a cent for the game before I actually got beta access.
    I purchased AFTER trying and liking it.

    And I bet I'm not the only one here.
    Same boat, I actually hated it when I tried the RU version and was like "hype for nothing, not buying this game", but got a key, took my time and tried to understand the game and now looking forward to the release
  • marcjt20marcjt20 Member UncommonPosts: 68
    Herase said:
    Scot said:
    It does seem many players believed the hype, we have been doing this for over 16 years (if not back then on this site). Will I be able to come back here in ten years time and still see seasoned players who believed the hype?

    From what I have read BDO is good at what the devs aimed for and poor at everything else, not really a surprise.

    Hopefully I will not see you on the next hype train, but will see you standing in the train waiting room. Calmly assessing what has come out, not games that have not come out/been localised etc.
    Personally, I haven't paid a cent for the game before I actually got beta access.
    I purchased AFTER trying and liking it.

    And I bet I'm not the only one here.
    Same boat, I actually hated it when I tried the RU version and was like "hype for nothing, not buying this game", but got a key, took my time and tried to understand the game and now looking forward to the release

    I did the same thing, the first Beta I wasnt impressed but then I played this last one and found it worth atleast giving a try and pre-ordered. We will see how it goes, I definitely dont have the play time I use to with work and all, but I hope to atleast play catch up and have fun with my friends. 
  • odinthor021odinthor021 Member UncommonPosts: 40
    Well there has been an adjustment to CS items check the site forums.
    I am not sure why there is all this talk about end game, Black Desert is an opened ended living world. You want end game and mindless repetition and good pvp action go play BnS that's a fatal attraction. With Black Desert you have to grow with the world and interact with it's inhabitants.
    One of the nicest things about this game is that it is not play to win from CS items
    I hope that with it's success it can also grow as a game with new content in the future, but that remains to be seen.
    I enjoyed every minute of it and aside from some common errors found in most games it is a very engaging story wise, quest wise and adventure wise much in the same way EQ2 was and actually still is today.
  • evilizedevilized Member UncommonPosts: 567
    How about you actually do some proper research and play the game before writing an article, Suzie?

    Or is just guessing about the facts and providing your opinion what passes as journalism these days?
  • bobfishbobfish Member UncommonPosts: 1,679
    I think it is also important to note that there was a poll early on before CBT1, where the player's essentially voted to make the game more grindy.

    In Korea, it takes about 8hrs to hit level 50, in the NA/EU version it now takes 28hrs. They've increased experienced required to level by 350% for the Western audience, because they listened to a few early adopters.

    What those people don't realize though is that 50-60 takes in the region of 1,000hrs in Korea, but here it is going to take 3,500hrs, making it the longest grind in any MMO ever!

    And there is no level cap, so for decades people have complained about Korean grinders, but for once, we actually have a game in the West with a worse grind than anywhere else in the world because Western players asked for it.
  • KiryiKiryi Member UncommonPosts: 9
    I was dubious about the game when I played in CBT1 (won a key), once the weekend ended and it stuck with me, I knew I had to get a package. This hasn't changed with CBT2.
    I enjoy the wandering, the scenery, the fishing, boats, the gathering. I ping ponged around 3 different classes enjoying each of them for what they are.
    Personally, I've noticed I've hit a stage in my MMO playing where action doesn't mean enjoyment, there needs to be a balance. I've enjoyed ESO very much where I don't feel like I'm constantly having to deal with mobs, there's more to the game than this.
    I'll be using my pearls on housing stuff. I DO wish the prices were a little more moderate by a reduction of...say, maybe 20-30%? When I look at the prices I go = ouch. Whereas in other B2P games like GW2 or ESO, I generally do not. I consider, do I want to spend my $$ on that, does it look/appear/cool?
    Point is, I enjoyed my time in BDO's CBTs. I want to play today, right now. My Valkyrie is ready. :D
  • TorvalTorval Member LegendaryPosts: 19,518
    Sainguin said:
    Ya know, one complaint I'm amazed I haven't seen more of: the voice acting is so bad it hurts.

    Like really, really bad. The Mayor of the first village, is so obviously a young man trying to sound like an old man that it's almost comical but ends up being pathetic.

    I'm 100% certain they just went around the office and grabbed random staff to voice act the entire game.
    I noticed this and was going to say something but the noise about the cash shop and everyone being indignant about paying for stuff sort of sapped the motivation.

    The worst, by far, is that the intro cut scene is the same as the trailer. It's voiced by that dude who sounds like he's reading children's books to a group of four year old kids. I'm sure even the kids would be put off by how bad that dude is. Seriously, if he's going to do animated voice over, then he needs to take voice acting lessons or give it up. I never skip those the first time through I play a game. I skipped that one.
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  • TorvalTorval Member LegendaryPosts: 19,518
    Scot said:
    It does seem many players believed the hype, we have been doing this for over 16 years (if not back then on this site). Will I be able to come back here in ten years time and still see seasoned players who believed the hype?

    From what I have read BDO is good at what the devs aimed for and poor at everything else, not really a surprise.

    Hopefully I will not see you on the next hype train, but will see you standing in the train waiting room. Calmly assessing what has come out, not games that have not come out/been localised etc.
    What do you people care if someone likes to ride the new game train every release? And by you people I mean you people... who criticize every new game that comes out and anyone who likes it.

    If someone plops $30/50/100 down without thinking it through and then complains about it, then that's their problem. I have no sympathy. But implying that anyone who enjoys the game shouldn't get excited is just messed up.

    Why do I have to come back in 10 years and still be excited about the game? Why do I even have to like it 10 years from now? I'm living in the now. Now I'm interested in it. Now I feel like playing it. What happened then or will happen 6 months or 10 years from now doesn't really matter where gaming is concerned.
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  • nethervoidnethervoid Member UncommonPosts: 531
    I had a LOT of fun! I'm a bit concerned at the seeming lack of dungeons and other PvE content. I will still be playing it, though, and will make a more educated assessment when I reach endgame.

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  • nimander99nimander99 Member UncommonPosts: 288

    Gdemami said:



    I'm just going to assume you made this comment in good faith and reply in the same manner... So, yes $30 is more than I have ever paid for a costume in a video game. No, it isn't that I can afford it, I have a disposable income but I don't ever want to feel like I've been taken advantage of.



    Daum is walking a fine line here... the costumes are multi pieced so you can mix an match costume pieces (if you don't mind spending $100 on 3 costumes) and that does imo raise the value of a costume. Games like ESO charge as much as $25 for a single costume which is only a skin... so $30 isn't that big of a stretch for BDO's costumes.



    Hope that clarified my remark.




    Well, you didn't elaborate the "ridiculous" part in any way, you even acknowledged yourself the price is about average. 

    Instead, you are adding even more weird statements - "being taken advantage of". How is someone taking an advantage of you by selling something you are not able to afford(willing to pay), probably not even interested in buying at all? 

    Does mere existence of luxury goods "take advantage" of you...?

    That's mind boggling...



    ri·dic·u·lous. 1.deserving or inviting derision or mockery; absurd.

    I meant it as is defined above.

    And the rest was to simply explain my thought process about the entire issue. But my very first reaction to $30+ dollars for a costume is... "how ridiculous" *see above definition.
  • nimander99nimander99 Member UncommonPosts: 288
    And I used the wording "feel like I'm being taken advantage of" therefore I am allowed plenty of latitude since I am speaking of my "feelings" and not yours...
  • utvetteguyutvetteguy Member UncommonPosts: 8
    Not every game has to follow the WoW formula! Let BDO rise!
  • monochrome19monochrome19 Member UncommonPosts: 715
    This game isn't close to being P2W, Hyutei and everyone else, is talking out of their backside. The prices are a bit extreme for cosmetic items but they are COSMETIC, you don't need them. If someone wants to pay a million dollars for a hat, more power to them, that doesn't effect me in the least. People are bashing the game simply because its Korean, claiming its AA 2.0, with no facts. Haters gonna hate.
  • VolgoreVolgore Member EpicPosts: 3,872
    Not every game has to follow the WoW formula! Let BDO rise!
    If a game follows the WOW formula it is "clone no.23879" and people complain about it.
    If a game actually takes a new approach here and there, it's "too far from home for me" and people complain about it.

    This genre's playerbase is crying for a change and if some game finally provides a change, nobody can get used to it.

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  • JJ82JJ82 Member UncommonPosts: 1,258
    The game is beautiful, large and seems to offer a great deal of things to do.

    Unfortunately it is defeated by a bland story, grindy quests, horrible UI, terrible controls that I spent 20 minutes on trying to keybind in a way that didnt blow chunks and it still felt awkward, twitch combat that doesnt stand up to even older action based MMOs like Vindictus, open world PvP end game which vastly limits gameplay choices, massive Korean MMO grind and what is clearly going to be a P2W shop.

    Another MMO that had so much potential and doesnt live up to it.

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  • ToxicTripsToxicTrips Member UncommonPosts: 2

    Distopia said:

    Much like SWG I wouldn't call BDO a true Sandbox, I think it does highlight why many actual sandboxes do not gain much traction in this genre. In a Sandbox 90% of the game is where you decide to place your efforts. Especially in terms of "endgame"...



    It's about building a community, for either roleplay, PVP, town building, commerce. Etc.. or all of the above. Which is the ideal approach. IE roleplay building a town, filling it with citizens, those citizens finding their place in it (fighters, crafters, merchants, gatherers, etc..), defending it, expanding it, and holding on to it. That's the game, and it can be very compelling with the right type of players.



    So to say a game like this has no "endgame" I just find a little funny, as to me it's true endgame, as it's wide open, and built for it, that's what all of these systems are for. It's not just a gear treadmill like so many games are in this genre.



    A perfect example of BDO. I think a lot of people do not understand that.
  • EuthionEuthion Member UncommonPosts: 4
    This is a great game!
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  • ToxicTripsToxicTrips Member UncommonPosts: 2

    hyutei said:

    disappointed in both the game and Daum as company,the game is badly optimized,and the cash shop made the game pay2win,i expected much from this game,but truth is,its same as with every other game,they can call it NEW,EPIC or what ever,but truth is,its same crap with different name,i dont see people playing this game for too long,it will be like archeage,1st month or two there will be fair amount of players,then it will go down and it will go down fast



    this game is archeage 2.0 however,its not even close to being better then archeage,the only thing that is better is graphics,and the skills looking cool,but in my opinion,archeage is better in every other aspect,but they do have 1 thing in common tho,both games will be/are destroyed by their publishers.



    There is no such thing as pay to win, What do you win if you spend some coin? The game? No. Are there games that want you to spend money on costumes that help in xp, crafting, riding? Yes. Does it really give you that much of an advantage over someone else? No.
  • DAOWAceDAOWAce Member UncommonPosts: 328
    edited February 2016
    The cash shop is the biggest problem with the game being B2P. That thread explained it perfectly.

    Also, the game is over a year out of date with KR, despite being published by the same damn company who runs the KR version, albeit their western counterpart. This shouldn't be happening. We're missing 2 classes and some actual PvE endgame. That is huge.

    And the servers.. there's only going to be two servers, both of them located in CA. This is very harmful to the majority of the playerbase (east coast), as the game is extremely action based more than any other MMO (aside from Vindictus) and requires very low latency. The servers should be split; one for west, one for east. I have to calk this up to them being a European company and either not realizing this, or not able to invest in having another datacenter. Overall, it's a huge negative to the game ontop of all the other issues.

    Game is beautiful (sans horrid pop-in), but with a lack of PvE endgame and a severe grind requirement, it's not living up to the hype a lot of people, myself included, had for the game.

    It definitely is a love/hate affair.
  • nimander99nimander99 Member UncommonPosts: 288
    JJ82 said:
    The game is beautiful, large and seems to offer a great deal of things to do.

    Unfortunately it is defeated by a bland story, grindy quests, horrible UI, terrible controls that I spent 20 minutes on trying to keybind in a way that didnt blow chunks and it still felt awkward, twitch combat that doesnt stand up to even older action based MMOs like Vindictus, open world PvP end game which vastly limits gameplay choices, massive Korean MMO grind and what is clearly going to be a P2W shop.

    Another MMO that had so much potential and doesnt live up to it.


    I def agree that the UI is horrid, I have always hated the "Its Xmass click me" buttons and tabs all over KR games.

    The combat control I personally found to be intuitive and far easier to learn than TERA.

    As far as the grind, it took me a while to get to 21 so I'm sure its real, but the amount of in depth systems the game has and mini games makes it fun. I played Ashen Empires to lvl 105 so nothing will ever really be a grind compared to that (in my mind anyways).

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