'I dont know which is why i was asking the question'
Ah, kk. I'm so used to people being sarcastic and cynical on here, I sometimes read into things.
So I ask again though.
If Star Citizen is considered a large budget then what are the likes of GTA 5? are such games just totally mismanaged budget wise or are we getting a better game for the dollar?
for the record I dont know if we are getting a better SC game but I do know generally speaking we are not getting a better game (speaking for GTA 5 specifically)
If you are in the top ten regarding cost for video games I consider that as big budget. SC doesn't have the biggest budget yet, but who knows, counter is still running.
but my orginal question STILL hasnt been answered.
I am not sure why its so hard to understand the question and to just answer it.
'If SC is big budget what does that make GTA 5'?
Please do not respond to me, even if I ask you a question, its rhetorical.
It doesn't matter. He has their money and they can't get refunds if they "donated" before "this month" (by tos) without an act of law enforcement or shady chargeback.
Someone need to put them in contact with guys behind greedmonger or the other kickstarter scam's to learn a thing or 2.... im pretty sure if your trying to run a scam you don't invite traditional news media into your offices, ...right?.
Meanwhile some other people keep searching the dark parts of the internet for unknown blogs proving its a scam!.
Wow, look at the date on this youtube video. That tells me people have felt the same concerns for this project almost two years. Maybe I should link "Time Warp" soon.
'I dont know which is why i was asking the question'
Ah, kk. I'm so used to people being sarcastic and cynical on here, I sometimes read into things.
So I ask again though.
If Star Citizen is considered a large budget then what are the likes of GTA 5? are such games just totally mismanaged budget wise or are we getting a better game for the dollar?
for the record I dont know if we are getting a better SC game but I do know generally speaking we are not getting a better game (speaking for GTA 5 specifically)
If you are in the top ten regarding cost for video games I consider that as big budget. SC doesn't have the biggest budget yet, but who knows, counter is still running.
but my orginal question STILL hasnt been answered.
I am not sure why its so hard to understand the question and to just answer it.
'If SC is big budget what does that make GTA 5'?
The answer to your question is GTA 5 is also big budget.
You can't compare a game made with investors to a game made by backers. They would keep the developers on track and not redo stuff at a drop of a hat like CR does.
The other games made with CR INVOLVED IN, you need to understand and accept the FACT he was not in position to change things and make it happen. People held him at bay and made him stick to the plan. Which is why his one company failed and Microsoft ended up finishing that game with CR in the background. Again CR has never released a finished game to this day.
The way things are at the moment CR will still not release the game you guys were told you would get. Hell he already cut out a lot of what backers signed up for years ago.
With hundredthousands of backers it is not feasible to satisfy 100 % of the backers 100 % of the time, as some expectations are mutually exclusive.
So I expect that there will always be some that will wail and despair when the game comes out, no matter how good the game will be.
I hope CIG does it like Bioware and follows the "Its done when its done" principle and does not push out the game too early due to pressure from impatient players.
Have fun
That's a very "safe" point of view, using 100%. What about 50%? 30%? 20%? How many are actually going to be disappointed with this? I'm willing to bet that number is going to be more than you would care to admit.
With hundredthousands of backers it is not feasible to satisfy 100 % of the backers 100 % of the time, as some expectations are mutually exclusive.
So I expect that there will always be some that will wail and despair when the game comes out, no matter how good the game will be.
I hope CIG does it like Bioware and follows the "Its done when its done" principle and does not push out the game too early due to pressure from impatient players.
Have fun
That's a very "safe" point of view, using 100%. What about 50%? 30%? 20%? How many are actually going to be disappointed with this? I'm willing to bet that number is going to be more than you would care to admit.
what games has a gamer NOT been disappointed with? I can list several titles myself but can you?
Please do not respond to me, even if I ask you a question, its rhetorical.
With hundredthousands of backers it is not feasible to satisfy 100 % of the backers 100 % of the time, as some expectations are mutually exclusive.
So I expect that there will always be some that will wail and despair when the game comes out, no matter how good the game will be.
I hope CIG does it like Bioware and follows the "Its done when its done" principle and does not push out the game too early due to pressure from impatient players.
Have fun
That's a very "safe" point of view, using 100%. What about 50%? 30%? 20%? How many are actually going to be disappointed with this? I'm willing to bet that number is going to be more than you would care to admit.
what games has a gamer NOT been disappointed with? I can list several titles myself but can you?
We are talking KS/Crowdfunding to KS/Crowdfunding right? You just can't compare it to any company with investors that keep the game real. I mean you backers have no say of any kind to keep CR in line. In FACT CR bans people if they complain about anything with the game(s) and their money.
With hundredthousands of backers it is not feasible to satisfy 100 % of the backers 100 % of the time, as some expectations are mutually exclusive.
So I expect that there will always be some that will wail and despair when the game comes out, no matter how good the game will be.
I hope CIG does it like Bioware and follows the "Its done when its done" principle and does not push out the game too early due to pressure from impatient players.
Have fun
That's a very "safe" point of view, using 100%. What about 50%? 30%? 20%? How many are actually going to be disappointed with this? I'm willing to bet that number is going to be more than you would care to admit.
what games has a gamer NOT been disappointed with? I can list several titles myself but can you?
We are talking KS/Crowdfunding to KS/Crowdfunding right? You just can't compare it to any company with investors that keep the game real. I mean you backers have no say of any kind to keep CR in line. In FACT CR bans people if they complain about anything with the game(s) and their money.
I am talking ANY game ever.
its rather rare to see any gamer (at least on a forum) not be upset or disapointed with ANY kind of release/pre-release/test/beta/alpha anything at all whatsoever
Please do not respond to me, even if I ask you a question, its rhetorical.
We are talking KS/Crowdfunding to KS/Crowdfunding right? You just can't compare it to any company with investors that keep the game real. I mean you backers have no say of any kind to keep CR in line. In FACT CR bans people if they complain about anything with the game(s) and their money.
Well we can compare it to other Ks games then right? Divinity OS, has plenty of disappointment associated with it and it's a great game IMO. There was a huge thread I read not long ago on Larian's forum that was nothing but a bunch of people bemoaning their release on consoles, as well as the enhanced edition because they put controller options in.
Apparently backers felt they didn't fund a game for consoles or controllers... there will always be people who are unhappy..
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
With hundredthousands of backers it is not feasible to satisfy 100 % of the backers 100 % of the time, as some expectations are mutually exclusive.
So I expect that there will always be some that will wail and despair when the game comes out, no matter how good the game will be.
I hope CIG does it like Bioware and follows the "Its done when its done" principle and does not push out the game too early due to pressure from impatient players.
Have fun
That's a very "safe" point of view, using 100%. What about 50%? 30%? 20%? How many are actually going to be disappointed with this? I'm willing to bet that number is going to be more than you would care to admit.
what games has a gamer NOT been disappointed with? I can list several titles myself but can you?
We are talking KS/Crowdfunding to KS/Crowdfunding right? You just can't compare it to any company with investors that keep the game real. I mean you backers have no say of any kind to keep CR in line. In FACT CR bans people if they complain about anything with the game(s) and their money.
I am talking ANY game ever.
its rather rare to see any gamer (at least on a forum) not be upset or disapointed with ANY kind of release/pre-release/test/beta/alpha anything at all whatsoever
But this isn't about any game. It's about this one. There are those who have come out and made the claim that this game will never see the light of day. I am not ready to jump on that particular bandwagon just yet, I do not believe this game is going to fully "deliver" on its promise.
And while there are those who say "Can't please 100% of the people". I believe such statements are downplaying and / or denying the inevitable backlash by claiming it happens with all games. And it does. However, I think that if this game does make it to release, the backlash and overall levels of disappointment are going to be on a much more epic scale than just "Can't please 100% of the people".
But this isn't about any game. It's about this one. There are those who have come out and made the claim that this game will never see the light of day. I am not ready to jump on that particular bandwagon just yet, I do not believe this game is going to fully "deliver" on its promise.
And while there are those who say "Can't please 100% of the people". I believe such statements are downplaying and / or denying the inevitable backlash by claiming it happens with all games. And it does. However, I think that if this game does make it to release, the backlash and overall levels of disappointment are going to be on a much more epic scale than just "Can't please 100% of the people".
you seem to be doing this on purpose in hopes to agitate.
Comment: 'will gamers be disappointed' Response: 'are gamers ever NOT disappointed with anything ever'
dont over complicate it, even more so just to be difficult.
Please do not respond to me, even if I ask you a question, its rhetorical.
But this isn't about any game. It's about this one. There are those who have come out and made the claim that this game will never see the light of day. I am not ready to jump on that particular bandwagon just yet, I do not believe this game is going to fully "deliver" on its promise.
And while there are those who say "Can't please 100% of the people". I believe such statements are downplaying and / or denying the inevitable backlash by claiming it happens with all games. And it does. However, I think that if this game does make it to release, the backlash and overall levels of disappointment are going to be on a much more epic scale than just "Can't please 100% of the people".
We've seen plenty of examples of epic scale disappointment, especially in this genre. In the end what's more important is how they handle the game post release. I think the epic scale disappointment is as inevitable as it was for SWTOR, ESO, GTAV OL... Etc...
This game is promised to be the epitome of deep engrossing Space Sims, which means a guarantee of epic bemoaning of that promise. Even if it turns out to be a deep engrossing game. Add the fact that it's crowdfunded and that only makes that more likely.
As folks who have seen such how many times? How exactly are we supposed to feel about it at this point? Personally I'll just wait and see if it looks fun or not, anything else is just a side-show..
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
But this isn't about any game. It's about this one. There are those who have come out and made the claim that this game will never see the light of day. I am not ready to jump on that particular bandwagon just yet, I do not believe this game is going to fully "deliver" on its promise.
And while there are those who say "Can't please 100% of the people". I believe such statements are downplaying and / or denying the inevitable backlash by claiming it happens with all games. And it does. However, I think that if this game does make it to release, the backlash and overall levels of disappointment are going to be on a much more epic scale than just "Can't please 100% of the people".
We've seen plenty of examples of epic scale disappointment, especially in this genre. In the end what's more important is how they handle the game post release. I think the epic scale disappointment is as inevitable as it was for SWTOR, ESO, GTAV OL... Etc...
This game is promised to be the epitome of deep engrossing Space Sims, which means a guarantee of epic bemoaning of that promise. Even if it turns out to be a deep engrossing game. Add the fact that it's crowdfunded and that only makes that more likely.
As folks who have seen such how many times? How exactly are we supposed to feel about it at this point? Personally I'll just wait and see if it looks fun or not, anything else is just a side-show..
Personally I think that title is already taken, Elite Dangerous
Although I find this title (SC) interesting and I find the stated reasons of why he wants to do it as one of the best I have heard in decades i still think Elite Dangerous is the better option.
Please do not respond to me, even if I ask you a question, its rhetorical.
Personally I think that title is already taken, Elite Dangerous
Although I find this title (SC) interesting and I find the stated reasons of why he wants to do it as one of the best I have heard in decades i still think Elite Dangerous is the better option.
AS for Elite, I'm waiting until it's a full game you buy for one set price ... I will for SC as well...
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
Personally I think that title is already taken, Elite Dangerous
Although I find this title (SC) interesting and I find the stated reasons of why he wants to do it as one of the best I have heard in decades i still think Elite Dangerous is the better option.
AS for Elite, I'm waiting until it's a full game you buy for one set price ... I will for SC as well...
more is coming on Elite. In fact, I think Elite will have all the SC declared features before SC does.
Its really a better managed firm Frontier. Anyway, sorry this thread is not about Froniter
Please do not respond to me, even if I ask you a question, its rhetorical.
What silly arguments, talking about "whether a game will satisfy backers".
"No game 100% satisfies."
"Few games have satisfied."
You should be ashamed to even come to the table with this.
Why is that? it's basically saying the same thing anyone else is.. it's doubtful... especially where grandiose promises have been made. WHat more need be said on the issue at present? We can talk about specifics when the time comes, right now how it will fail as well as how it will succeed are unknowns.
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
Here, look at this, the post by "samfreez". If you agree with this sentiment, if you even come close to empathizing with this sentiment, if you imagine this might be true, even in some parallel universe, you do not belong in constructive discussion about this project.
Nonsense. A depiction of product was presented. "Promises" were made. There have been, cited numerous times, "definitive lists of features". What people are "being led to think this project is" is precisely "what CIG is allowing these people to be led to think this project is".
People have their brains so messed up in lines of crap like this, they actually believe they're speaking clever truth. Mr. samfreez, the real world doesn't work in this manner you portray. People do, at times, present realistic plans, carry them through, and succeed. This is an odd work-around for the truth of this matter, a gigantic fraud.
Here, look at this, the post by "samfreez". If you agree with this sentiment, if you even come close to empathizing with this sentiment, if you imagine this might be true, even in some parallel universe, you do not belong in constructive discussion about this project.
Nonsense. A depiction of product was presented. "Promises" were made. There have been, cited numerous times, "definitive lists of features". What people are "being led to think this project is" is precisely "what CIG is allowing these people to be led to think this project is".
People have their brains so messed up in lines of crap like this, they actually believe they're speaking clever truth. Mr. samfreez, the real world doesn't work in this manner you portray. People do, at times, present realistic plans, carry them through, and succeed. This is an odd work-around for the truth of this matter, a gigantic fraud.
WHy would we bother to read some post on some other site? How is that pertinent to this discussion? As for trying to dictate who belongs in this discussion LMAO....
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
Because it's a discussion on the same topic in the SC subreddit.
Look, you're just arguing to argue. Come up with something substantive. Say something like, "but this game is everything Roberts said it would be!", or "I totally see everything CIG talked about over the last 4 years in game or in development!", or , well , anything. Say anything related to the game, Distopia. Right now. Try.
Talk about the scale of the vehicles, the scale of the star system, the game physics, the first person shooter aspect, the minimum system requirements, something about instances, something about space shooters, hell, at this point say something about polygons. Come on.
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I am not sure why its so hard to understand the question and to just answer it.
'If SC is big budget what does that make GTA 5'?
Please do not respond to me, even if I ask you a question, its rhetorical.
Please do not respond to me
Meanwhile some other people keep searching the dark parts of the internet for unknown blogs proving its a scam!.
ha!
thanks
Please do not respond to me, even if I ask you a question, its rhetorical.
Please do not respond to me
The other games made with CR INVOLVED IN, you need to understand and accept the FACT he was not in position to change things and make it happen. People held him at bay and made him stick to the plan. Which is why his one company failed and Microsoft ended up finishing that game with CR in the background. Again CR has never released a finished game to this day.
The way things are at the moment CR will still not release the game you guys were told you would get. Hell he already cut out a lot of what backers signed up for years ago.
Star Citizen – The Extinction Level Event
4/13/15 > ELE has been updated look for 16-04-13.
http://www.dereksmart.org/2016/04/star-citizen-the-ele/
Enjoy and know the truth always comes to light!
What about 50%? 30%? 20%?
How many are actually going to be disappointed with this?
I'm willing to bet that number is going to be more than you would care to admit.
Please do not respond to me, even if I ask you a question, its rhetorical.
Please do not respond to me
Star Citizen – The Extinction Level Event
4/13/15 > ELE has been updated look for 16-04-13.
http://www.dereksmart.org/2016/04/star-citizen-the-ele/
Enjoy and know the truth always comes to light!
its rather rare to see any gamer (at least on a forum) not be upset or disapointed with ANY kind of release/pre-release/test/beta/alpha anything at all whatsoever
Please do not respond to me, even if I ask you a question, its rhetorical.
Please do not respond to me
Apparently backers felt they didn't fund a game for consoles or controllers... there will always be people who are unhappy..
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
And while there are those who say "Can't please 100% of the people". I believe such statements are downplaying and / or denying the inevitable backlash by claiming it happens with all games. And it does. However, I think that if this game does make it to release, the backlash and overall levels of disappointment are going to be on a much more epic scale than just "Can't please 100% of the people".
Comment: 'will gamers be disappointed'
Response: 'are gamers ever NOT disappointed with anything ever'
dont over complicate it, even more so just to be difficult.
Please do not respond to me, even if I ask you a question, its rhetorical.
Please do not respond to me
This game is promised to be the epitome of deep engrossing Space Sims, which means a guarantee of epic bemoaning of that promise. Even if it turns out to be a deep engrossing game. Add the fact that it's crowdfunded and that only makes that more likely.
As folks who have seen such how many times? How exactly are we supposed to feel about it at this point? Personally I'll just wait and see if it looks fun or not, anything else is just a side-show..
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
Although I find this title (SC) interesting and I find the stated reasons of why he wants to do it as one of the best I have heard in decades i still think Elite Dangerous is the better option.
Please do not respond to me, even if I ask you a question, its rhetorical.
Please do not respond to me
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
Please do not respond to me, even if I ask you a question, its rhetorical.
Please do not respond to me
"No game 100% satisfies."
"Few games have satisfied."
You should be ashamed to even come to the table with this.
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
https://www.reddit.com/r/starcitizen/comments/45xmjt/star_citizen_can_we_keep_the_faith/d02ao7g?context=3
Nonsense. A depiction of product was presented. "Promises" were made. There have been, cited numerous times, "definitive lists of features". What people are "being led to think this project is" is precisely "what CIG is allowing these people to be led to think this project is".
People have their brains so messed up in lines of crap like this, they actually believe they're speaking clever truth. Mr. samfreez, the real world doesn't work in this manner you portray. People do, at times, present realistic plans, carry them through, and succeed. This is an odd work-around for the truth of this matter, a gigantic fraud.
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
Look, you're just arguing to argue. Come up with something substantive. Say something like, "but this game is everything Roberts said it would be!", or "I totally see everything CIG talked about over the last 4 years in game or in development!", or , well , anything. Say anything related to the game, Distopia. Right now. Try.