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A history of Star Marine - The FPS shooter component of Star Citizens.

MrSnufflesMrSnuffles Member UncommonPosts: 1,117

PAX AUSTRALIA – November 5th, 2014

Chris Roberts debuts promising footage of the upcoming FPS shooter component of Star Citizen to a rapturous audience. Later in the presentation, he introduces Illfonic, the contractor developing the game.


STAR CITIZEN PAX EAST PRESENTATION – March 6th, 2015

Chris Roberts shows improvements made in the last quarter to the FPS component. He explains that the FPS will release in “3 weeks time”, as soon as they finish transition animations and finish modeling trickier elements like Zero-G combat. He then states that CIG’s goal is to have the best playable soldiers on the simulated battlefield.

Not long thereafter, he introduces the in-game fiction name of their combat module, “Star Marine”, apparently unaware that the trademark has already been registered by another party for use in video game and film properties.


INTERVIEW WITH REDBULL.COM – June 4th, 2015

In an interview with RedBull.com, Chris Roberts says of his FPS ambitions that “Star Citizen has to be as good or better than anything out there.” He later speaks of his plans to add a procedural system for destructible environments, to improve upon Battlefield 4’s scripted events.


POLYGON, OTHERS REPORTS “STAR MARINE” MAY BE DELAYED INDEFINITELY- June 30th, 2015

Seizing on either ill-chosen or confessional disclosures in the latest “Letter from the Chairman“, Polygon reports:

“Chris Roberts’ Star Citizen, the spiritual successor to the Wing Commander series and unprecedented crowdfunding success, has encountered serious technical and gameplay issues that will indefinitely delay one of the game’s key modules, a first-person shooter called Star Marine.“


GUIDE TO STAR MARINE – July 2015

This is a well-made, fan-generated overview of the game from July of 2015. Note that there is no speculation here; the fan has simply condensed material (video, lore, weapons, interfaces and gameplay info) that had been previously disseminated by CIG since they debuted FPS gameplay at PAX Australia in November of 2014.

Introduction
Game Modes & Maps
Customization
The Armory
Advanced Mastery
Access



GAMESCOM 2015 – August 7th, 2015

One month after that fan video was released, Chris Roberts shows a live, multiplayer playthrough of illfonic’s “Star Marine”. In an attempt to rebut rumors that Star Marine had been cancelled, Chris Roberts states:

“Just to show you basically its not cancelled, that its in development, it exists… We’re hoping to have that to you guys before CitizenCon.“

Later in the presentation, Chris Roberts states that Star Marine v1: The Battle for Gold Horizon will be available at the end of September 2015.

This was the last build of Illfonic’s now-scrapped game that they showed at a Citizen event. Janky though the player animations were, it appeared to have more weapons (including grenades and an electric shotgun) that have since vanished.


Curiously, there was a much-deridedhype teaser for Star Marine right before CitizenCon 2015. The chilly reception of fans (and open mockery of critics) prompted CIG to table discussion of “Star Marine” at the show.

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"It's pretty simple, really. If your only intention in posting about a particular game or topic is to be negative, then yes, you should probably move on. Voicing a negative opinion is fine, continually doing so on the same game is basically just trolling."
- Michael Bitton
Community Manager, MMORPG.com

"As an online discussion about Star Citizen grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Derek Smart approaches 1" - MrSnuffles's law

"I am jumping in here a bit without knowing exactly what you all or talking about." 
- SEANMCAD

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  • MrSnufflesMrSnuffles Member UncommonPosts: 1,117

    STAR MARINE STATUS UPDATE – October 17th, 2015

    After weeks of openly frustrated progress reports by (recently departed) Jason Hutchins, the last entry in CIG’s ongoing series of Star Marine updates appears on the RSI site. It is here that an early conflation of “Star Marine” with the PTU Alpha begins, though it’s worth noting that even at this date, “Star Marine” was still being referred to as a module akin to “Arena Commander”.

    “Meanwhile, work on Star Marine proper continues. Some of the deeper features are taking a back seat this week we roll out the basic movement and gunplay that will be available to all players on the Crusader map. This allows us to focus our attention on making the time players are outside their ships a good experience. What’s not included in Star Citizen Alpha 2.0? Game systems such as the score screen and Star Marine lobby UI, as well as some gameplay engineering and design work that is needed for Headquarters game mode. Have no fear, though, for Star Marine will return and your appetite for first person combat will be whetted by the action on Bravo station in the Crusader map. We will continue developing features and gameplay modes that are ultimately for use within Star Citizen, and we will continue to use Arena Commander and the Star Marine modes as a test bed for them. For now, and into the future, the FPS experience will be an integral part of Star Citizen Alpha, and we can’t be more happy about that!”


    10 FOR THE PRODUCERS – November 23, 2015

    In an interview with Jason Hutchins (don’t forget the name), he describes Star Marine as “a test bed for new features, new game types, new mission objectives and maps” and later, a means to roll out “new enemy AI behavior for certain monsters or other NPCS out there“. The point, he notes, is to allow upcoming FPS gameplay additions to be tested in the module before they are added into the game proper (the PTU).

    Jake Ross adds, “And Star Marine is also used like ‘Arena Commander’ is used, like a simulation to practice your dogfighting skills. This is a simulator to practice your first person shooter skills.


    10 FOR THE CHAIRMAN – January 25, 2016

    Aside from discussion by Jason Hutchins in 10 FOR THE PRODUCERS, and despite ample opportunities available during both CIG’s Anniversary and Holiday Livestreams, little attention was paid to “Star Marine” in the months of November and December.

    Chris Roberts finally addresses the elephant in the room during his first “10 for the Chairman” interview of the year.

    “So yes it is still in the pipeline. I do actually kind of like to say something because I sort of get annoyed sometimes when I see this pop up in comments like “Oh Star Marine is cancelled or Where’s Star Marine!?” Star Marine was just a game mode for people to play the FPS elements of Star Citizen until we could combine everything together: Flying, walking around, shooting, doing all the rest of the stuff, all together, that is what is in 2.0, that’s what it’s 2.1.

    With SC Alpha 2.0 onwards, you have basically what we were planning to do from Star Citizen and from the very very beginning. If you could back and look at the original pitch we didn’t say “Hey we’re doing Star Marine,” We said we will have FPS and Board, well you have FPS and you have boarding right now and so what’s really happening is there will not be features that will only be for Star Marine outside a sort of competition match and scoring that isn’t going to be in the game and so we’re actually rolling out the FPS features.

    So 2.2 will have some more features on the FPS side and 2.3 will have some more and so on until we sort of what we consider the basic functionality. 2.2 has cover and some other things in it and we’ll obviously have future, there’s things like vaulting and sliding and different kind of stances that we have and there’s a lot more weapons that we have and they’re all getting rolled out and honing it and you guys are going to be able to play it in 2.2 and 2.3 and 2.4

    When we’ve got that basic set together we will sort of turn on the map for Star Marine because all Star Marine is, is a game mode. Basically allows you to play a game, have two teams, have some points and so you can just sort of have a Arena Commander style match, but for FPS. That’s useful for you to hone your FPS skills without sort of being in the mini PU and risking some other stuff, but you already have FPS in the game so it’s not like FPS got cancelled or anything like that.

    It’s definitely in and Star Marine was originally our idea of how to get people to play the FPS before we could put everything together, but since that obviously took longer than we expected to get FPS to the level that we are comfortable with. By the time we got it to the level we said ”Okay you guys can play this.” Well we already had all the other things combined with the Large World and the 64-bit coordinates and the zone system so that was it. So there you are, we will have Gold Horizon, we will have Star Marine, but that will come online once all the basic FPS features are out in and live in the mini PU.”

    In the span of only a few minutes, Chris Roberts introduces a revisionist fiction that completely contradicts literally hundreds of public statements made by him and other members of CIG and Illfonic over the course of the last year. There will be no Star Marine module, and there need not be one, as the features formerly promised are now available in the PTU. Deal with it.

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    "It's pretty simple, really. If your only intention in posting about a particular game or topic is to be negative, then yes, you should probably move on. Voicing a negative opinion is fine, continually doing so on the same game is basically just trolling."
    - Michael Bitton
    Community Manager, MMORPG.com

    "As an online discussion about Star Citizen grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Derek Smart approaches 1" - MrSnuffles's law

    "I am jumping in here a bit without knowing exactly what you all or talking about." 
    - SEANMCAD

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  • BrenicsBrenics Member RarePosts: 1,939
    I was going to put something like this together tomorrow, but glad you did it. Very nice and now I hope people that want a refund gets it. 
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  • MrSnufflesMrSnuffles Member UncommonPosts: 1,117
    Brenics said:
    I was going to put something like this together tomorrow, but glad you did it. Very nice and now I hope people that want a refund gets it. 
    Thanks.

    To be fair, i copy and pasted most of it but it is important that people know this and look at it in context of how it was announced, developed and now put on the back burner. This behaviour is systematic with SC and i expect nothing less to happen with SQ42 and all the other promises that have been made
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    "It's pretty simple, really. If your only intention in posting about a particular game or topic is to be negative, then yes, you should probably move on. Voicing a negative opinion is fine, continually doing so on the same game is basically just trolling."
    - Michael Bitton
    Community Manager, MMORPG.com

    "As an online discussion about Star Citizen grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Derek Smart approaches 1" - MrSnuffles's law

    "I am jumping in here a bit without knowing exactly what you all or talking about." 
    - SEANMCAD

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  • holdenhamletholdenhamlet Member EpicPosts: 3,766
    edited January 2016
    I wonder who would win in a fight- Clint Eastwood or a Rabbit with sunglasses.

    I have a feeling we're about to find out.

    Have fun.
  • MrSnufflesMrSnuffles Member UncommonPosts: 1,117
    I wonder who would win in a fight- Clint Eastwood or a Rabbit with sunglasses.

    I have a feeling we're about to find out.

    Have fun.
    In a FPS shooter like Star Marine the winner would be obvious ;)

    I doubt we will see Erillion in here because all that information comes directly from the Star Citizen website and from the official videos (with one exception which is a fan video).

    There is really nothing even he can do that changes these facts.
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    "It's pretty simple, really. If your only intention in posting about a particular game or topic is to be negative, then yes, you should probably move on. Voicing a negative opinion is fine, continually doing so on the same game is basically just trolling."
    - Michael Bitton
    Community Manager, MMORPG.com

    "As an online discussion about Star Citizen grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Derek Smart approaches 1" - MrSnuffles's law

    "I am jumping in here a bit without knowing exactly what you all or talking about." 
    - SEANMCAD

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  • QuesaQuesa Member UncommonPosts: 1,432
    In all seriousness, apart from delays (which I deem inevitable for any game in development, especially one of this size and scope), what is it that all of this is trying to illustrate?
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  • KefoKefo Member EpicPosts: 4,229
    I wonder who would win in a fight- Clint Eastwood or a Rabbit with sunglasses.

    I have a feeling we're about to find out.

    Have fun.
    In a FPS shooter like Star Marine the winner would be obvious ;)

    I doubt we will see Erillion in here because all that information comes directly from the Star Citizen website and from the official videos (with one exception which is a fan video).

    There is really nothing even he can do that changes these facts.

    You seriously under estimate the lengths he will go to to bury everything under a mountain of useless info, try to derail the topic or just use the "its alpha what do you expect?" excuse.


    Kudos for throwing that all up in one spot though. You deserve +10 internetz
  • DistopiaDistopia Member EpicPosts: 21,182
    edited January 2016
    Sounds like talking stuff up before you know if you can deliver it, AOC was supposed to have drunken Brawling, hell it was on the box and never showed up in game... Elite was supposed to ship with offline play..... "there is no NGE"...so on so forth.. It's F'd up sure, but what can ya do?

    For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson


  • ElRenmazuoElRenmazuo Member RarePosts: 5,361
    As long as there is FPS gameplay in the normal main game I dont care.  I dont care about any kind of separate game mode thats like team deathmatch or whatever, there is call of duty for that.
  • rpmcmurphyrpmcmurphy Member EpicPosts: 3,497
    edited January 2016
    The problem as I see it is that the apologists don't care if the information is valid.
    Roberts could do whatever the frak he likes and they would just make up excuses to defend his decisions rather than growing a backbone and being critical about what their money is spent on.
  • jesteralwaysjesteralways Member RarePosts: 2,560
    As long as there is FPS gameplay in the normal main game I dont care.  I dont care about any kind of separate game mode thats like team deathmatch or whatever, there is call of duty for that.
    Whether they wanna call it "star marine" or "star fool" who cares(well other than people who is never going to play the game and want it to fail) as long as they have a fps game mode? They have already mentioned they are doing fps mode and developing gameplay component to suit fps mode. All of these are nothing but nonsense.

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  • DistopiaDistopia Member EpicPosts: 21,182
    The problem as I see it is that the apologists don't care if the information is valid.
    Roberts could do whatever the frak he likes and they would just make up excuses to defend his decisions rather than growing a backbone and being critical about what their money is spent on.
      What will be, will be. Being critical on MMORPG.com will do what for whom at this point? From what I can see FPS elements are still being built, as are seemingly the other aspects, other than that I have no idea what is going on behind the scenes, so what am I too be critical of exactly? It's not my money and won't be until there is a product called Star Citizen...


    For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson


  • rpmcmurphyrpmcmurphy Member EpicPosts: 3,497
    Distopia said:
      What will be, will be. Being critical on MMORPG.com will do what for whom at this point? From what I can see FPS elements are still being built, as are seemingly the other aspects, other than that I have no idea what is going on behind the scenes, so what am I too be critical of exactly? It's not my money and won't be until there is a product called Star Citizen...


    Being critical on mmorpg is irrelevant, I'm talking in general. If the prevailing consensus amongst backers was "Hey, we're not happy about this!" then the devs would probably be more careful about what they do and what they say but because of the way the vocal backers of this game behave they don't feel like that.

    Personally I don't care that they've scrapped it, what I don't like is the way that Roberts & Co. hyped it month after month (without being assured it was in a releasable state) and then scrapped it while snarking at the backers who were asking wtf was going on. We want your money but we don't want your questions!!
  • jesteralwaysjesteralways Member RarePosts: 2,560
    Distopia said:
      What will be, will be. Being critical on MMORPG.com will do what for whom at this point? From what I can see FPS elements are still being built, as are seemingly the other aspects, other than that I have no idea what is going on behind the scenes, so what am I too be critical of exactly? It's not my money and won't be until there is a product called Star Citizen...


    Being critical on mmorpg is irrelevant, I'm talking in general. If the prevailing consensus amongst backers was "Hey, we're not happy about this!" then the devs would probably be more careful about what they do and what they say but because of the way the vocal backers of this game behave they don't feel like that.

    Personally I don't care that they've scrapped it, what I don't like is the way that Roberts & Co. hyped it month after month (without being assured it was in a releasable state) and then scrapped it while snarking at the backers who were asking wtf was going on. We want your money but we don't want your questions!!
    So backers should be unhappy that now they decided to do fps game mode but not call it "Star Marine"? People these days....

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  • rpmcmurphyrpmcmurphy Member EpicPosts: 3,497
    So backers should be unhappy that now they decided to do fps game mode but not call it "Star Marine"? People these days....

    By all means be flippant if that's easier for you.

    Why would you not want to hold someone to their word? If a person enticed others to hand over money based on demos, screenshots, big write ups, promises about 'weeks not months' etc and then goes back on their word - why would you be so apathetic?
    The point is not that they've gone back to the drawing board and will be trickling in FPS features, it's that they got money based on what they were advertising and then totally moved the fraking goalposts.
    If that sort of practice is acceptable to you then you are part of the reason that the industry is so notoriously crap.
  • screecwescreecwe Member UncommonPosts: 127

    Personally I don't care that they've scrapped it, what I don't like is the way that Roberts & Co. hyped it month after month (without being assured it was in a releasable state) and then scrapped it while snarking at the backers who were asking wtf was going on. We want your money but we don't want your questions!!

    Erm....it's not scrapped. 
  • ErillionErillion Member EpicPosts: 10,232
    screecwe said:

    Personally I don't care that they've scrapped it, what I don't like is the way that Roberts & Co. hyped it month after month (without being assured it was in a releasable state) and then scrapped it while snarking at the backers who were asking wtf was going on. We want your money but we don't want your questions!!

    Erm....it's not scrapped. 
    THIS ! ;-)


    Have fun
  • rpmcmurphyrpmcmurphy Member EpicPosts: 3,497
    screecwe said:

    Personally I don't care that they've scrapped it, what I don't like is the way that Roberts & Co. hyped it month after month (without being assured it was in a releasable state) and then scrapped it while snarking at the backers who were asking wtf was going on. We want your money but we don't want your questions!!

    Erm....it's not scrapped. 

    Star Marine, as a module, is scrapped.
  • ErillionErillion Member EpicPosts: 10,232
    screecwe said:

    Personally I don't care that they've scrapped it, what I don't like is the way that Roberts & Co. hyped it month after month (without being assured it was in a releasable state) and then scrapped it while snarking at the backers who were asking wtf was going on. We want your money but we don't want your questions!!

    Erm....it's not scrapped. 

    Star Marine, as a module, is scrapped.
    Incorrect.


    Have fun
  • screecwescreecwe Member UncommonPosts: 127
    edited January 2016
    "“By the time we got it to the level we said, ‘Okay you guys can play this.’ Well we already had all the other things combined with the large world and the 64-bit coordinates and the zone system so that was it. So there you are, we will have Gold Horizon, we will have Star Marine, but that will come online once all the basic FPS features are out in and live in the mini PU.”"

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=40&v=GGreb21dKdg

    Cant get much more clear than that.
  • HedeonHedeon Member UncommonPosts: 997
    The problem as I see it is that the apologists don't care if the information is valid.
    Roberts could do whatever the frak he likes and they would just make up excuses to defend his decisions rather than growing a backbone and being critical about what their money is spent on.
    This and also should think the most hardcore fans never saw a game in development fail before, especially when it come to online games
  • rpmcmurphyrpmcmurphy Member EpicPosts: 3,497
    Erillion said:
    Incorrect.


    Have fun

    Wow, what a wealth of information you are...

    Of course it's scrapped. It's only weasel word apologists who will vehemently try to oppose that it isn't scrapped.
    Sure, in time the ideas of what the SM module would consist of will be added to the PU, but that is nowhere near the same as taking everything that currently makes up the SM module and just placing it into the PU.
  • ErillionErillion Member EpicPosts: 10,232
    Erillion said:
    Incorrect.


    Have fun

    Wow, what a wealth of information you are...

    Of course it's scrapped.
    Will there be a game in the game where you can safely train FPS PvP multiplayer without losing any of your lives counting to the permadeath score ?

    Answer : Yes

    Is it scrapped ?

    Answer : No. See above.

    Where will it be played ?

    Answer: Via the sim pod in the hangar. Its NOT "real" combat in the Persistent Universe (where you will also be able to do FPS combat, but it will be much more risky in the PU itself due to permadeath mechanic).

    When does it come ?

    Answer: When the basic mechanics are in place. Those are currently developed and tested with the SC Alpha build. It takes longer than expected.

    How will it be named ?

    Answer: No one knows yet. The working title "Star Marine" cannot be used due to protected IP reasons, so CIG has to find another name.


    Have fun


  • rpmcmurphyrpmcmurphy Member EpicPosts: 3,497
    screecwe said:

    Cant get much more clear than that.

    This is the guy that said we would have SM back in April last year, the guy who said it was weeks, not months away, that it would be playable in 2.1 (or shortly after) and all of those other sweet things he promised it would be.

    After all of that why would anyone believe this person means what he says? The man is a gobshite.
  • rpmcmurphyrpmcmurphy Member EpicPosts: 3,497
    edited January 2016
    Erillion said:
    weasel words


    Which is all totally irrelevant.
    Just because something similar will eventually be in the game does not mean that the current module is not scrapped.

    If I designed a car called 'The Erillion', I build it but find it can't get round corners upon which I decide to go back to the drawing board and design a new car, now known as 'The Smart Car' which can get round corners, it would still mean 'The Erillion' has been scrapped despite 85% of 'The Smart Car' consisting of identical parts.
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