Is logitech ripping off European gamers?

Kiyoris

US $39
http://www.amazon.com/Logitech-G600-Gaming-Mouse-Black/dp/B0086UK7IQ/ref=sr_1_1?srs=2529810011&ie=UTF8&qid=1453771301&sr=8-1&keywords=g600

 

Spain €70

http://www.amazon.es/Logitech-G600-programables-Resoluci%C3%B3n-movimiento/dp/B00CJ5FL6C/ref=sr_1_3?...

Germany  €67

http://www.amazon.de/Logitech-Optische-MMO-Gaming-Maus-schnurgebunden-schwarz/dp/B00CJ5FL6C/ref=sr_1...

France  €65

http://www.amazon.fr/Logitech-Science-Souris-Gaming-boutons/dp/B00CJAEZ82/ref=sr_1_1?s=computers&ie=...

What are they doing selling MMO mice as first party vendors through Amazon at almost twice the price in Europe?

Ridelynn

Whatever the market will bear.

Also, no way to pin it directly on Logitech - it could be Amazon, or VAT, or import tariff, or exchange rate, or competitive pricing, or any number of other things inflating the price besides just Logitech.

Kiyoris

Well, the most ridiculous thing is.

That Europeans should be buying these mice from the US, use priority fast shipping and you are still cheaper off than buying the mice in Europe.

Buying a Logitech mouse in the US, sending it half across the world on a plane with priority shipping, is cheaper than buying it in Europe.

That is insane and wrong.

I posted on the Logitech board to see if they'll respond.

Sector13

Yeap, another post about how EU has it worse then US when it comes to gaming. Moving on. 

Kiyoris

Sector13 said:

Yeap, another post about how EU has it worse then US when it comes to gaming. Moving on. 

than*

then is an adjective indicating time

Quizzical

I'm going to call Betteridge's Law of Headlines on this one:  any headline that ends in a question mark can be answered "no".

Congratulations.  You have discovered that some stores charge more than others for the same item.  Here's another place you could have discovered that, even comparing purely within the US:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16826104674
http://www.walmart.com/ip/21609689
http://www.bestbuy.com/site/logitech-g600-mmo-gaming-mouse-black/5608091.p

Ridelynn

I don't know that I would call it wrong - it just sounds like your a smart consumer.

I can buy my gas down the street. It's nice because it's on the way to work and home, and it's right down the road, and there's almost never a line at the pump.

If I go to Costco, I can get gas almost $0.50 cheaper per gallon. That's about $10 a fill up.

I pay for the more expensive gas. Because it's down the road. I don't have to wait in line at a Costco. I don't have to make a special trip to Costco. I could be saving $hundreds per year... 

But it's the same gasoline. I don't think the gas station down the road is "ripping" me off. They are just charging what the local market will bear. And I'm happy to pay it in that case, because it saves me time and hassle.

Convenience and locality has a cost as well. And if the people in Spain, Germany, and France are willing to pay marked up prices, you better believe they will get charged marked up prices. The same thing would occur in the US, but I suspect Logitech faces stiffer competition here, and that's probably no small part in why it's less expensive here. It's not like the ~only~ mice available are Logitechs, and the ~only~ place to get them is via Amazon.

Sector13

Kiyoris

Quizzical said:

Congratulations.  You have discovered that some stores charge more than others for the same item.  Here's another place you could have discovered that, even comparing purely within the US:

ok, but that's not the point of my thread though

I'm comparing US to EU prices from the same store, not differences in prices within the US from different stores. It's a much more substantial difference, almost twice the price.

Quizzical

Kiyoris said:

Quizzical said:

Congratulations.  You have discovered that some stores charge more than others for the same item.  Here's another place you could have discovered that, even comparing purely within the US:

ok, but that's not the point of my thread though

I'm comparing US to EU prices, not differences in prices within the US. It's a much more substantial difference, almost twice the price.

You found a place in the US that has the item on sale, and places in Europe that don't.  That's all you did.  There's really nothing more to this thread than that, unless you want to count various European countries having large VATs while the US doesn't.

Kiyoris

Quizzical said:

You found a place in the US that has the item on sale, and places in Europe that don't.  That's all you did.

What do you mean, Amazon  in Europe have it for sale. See my OP, I even wrote down the prices.

What do you mean "places in Europe that don't". It's for sale in Europe, it's in my OP.

Sector13

Kiyoris said:

Quizzical said:

You found a place in the US that has the item on sale, and places in Europe that don't.  That's all you did.

What do you mean, Amazon  in Europe have it for sale. See my OP, I even wrote down the prices.

What do you mean "places in Europe that don't". It's for sale in Europe, it's in my OP.

if you actually look at all the new condition listings, only amazon directly has it for the price you listed. it goes up more and more and averages around 60 bucks which is closer to the EU price. Finding a  good deal isnt a meaning of EU being ripped off. 

Didn't you find it weird that it was cheaper new then refurbished? 

Kiyoris

Sector13 said:

if you actually look at all the new condition listings, only amazon directly has it for the price you listed. it goes up more and more and averages around 60 bucks which is closer to the EU price. Finding a  good deal isnt a meaning of EU being ripped off. 

Didn't you find it weird that it was cheaper new then refurbished? 

You mean from third party vendors? Yes that's true, only Amazon is capable of selling it so cheap. (see picture)

But if Amazon is selling it, afaik, then it's directly coming from Logitech as a first party vendor through one of their US distributors.

The price difference just doesn't make a lot of sense.

Hulluck

Three of three sellers is Amazon.  Not Logitech. Not sure who the seller in Spain is. Google translate just said shipped by amazon for that one.   Why do objects of the exact same thing but different colors have vastly different prices in the same region? Sometimes twice the price or more. Probably because more in demand and people will pay more for a given color. Do what any smart shopper would do and find a cheaper option to buy one if that's what you want.  No conspiracy. It's what they think the item can sell for.  Why not ask Amazon why the price varies so much since it's their stock in three of those instances.

Kiyoris

Hulluck said:

Why not ask Amazon why the price varies so much since it's their stock in three of those instances.

I might, if I can actually find their contact info, I remember wasting a couple of hours on that last time so I'm not keen to do it again.

Hulluck

Kiyoris said:

Hulluck said:

Why not ask Amazon why the price varies so much since it's their stock in three of those instances.

I might, if I can actually find their contact info, I remember wasting a couple of hours on that last time so I'm not keen to do it again.

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Malabooga

Amazon in EU is not all that competitive unless black friday/christmas or some such sales.

Dakeru

Well damn I got screwed over too.

Asm0deus

Kiyoris said:

Well, the most ridiculous thing is.

That Europeans should be buying these mice from the US, use priority fast shipping and you are still cheaper off than buying the mice in Europe.

Buying a Logitech mouse in the US, sending it half across the world on a plane with priority shipping, is cheaper than buying it in Europe.

That is insane and wrong.

I posted on the Logitech board to see if they'll respond.

There's nothing new about this, its been happening to people in Australia and even Canada to some extent though that has gone way down since some big car companies got in trouble for this very thing.  Not sure how it stands now but shady practices like this have been going on for a long long time. 

http://www.cbc.ca/news/business/canadian-car-buyers-blocked-from-cheaper-u-s-prices-1.2435299

crashburn162

Just have some buddy with VAT registered company buy you the periphials with the VAT number and depending on the country after max of 35 days the country will return the VAT to the company for Electronics, Building Materials, Tires, Auto Parts . And then it's somewhat ok. US doesn't have VAT or import duty tax from China and Japan which in Europe for electronics is 8% and it's not refundable as the VAT. Also the example you showed it's not good one because if the mouse was нот in a discount it would have cost the same as in Europe + handling and VAT. Vat is usually 20% but in some countries like Germany is 19% or like Romania up untill this year was 24% now it's back down to 20%.

tawess

We also have different proceedings when it comes to sales tax and price dumping. Keep in mind that the EU are 28 different countries... Not 28 states of the same country... 

As in 28 tiny USA trying to get along. With wildly different economical histories. 

For an example here in Sweden any consumer goods are taxed 25% before we even get a chance to look at it.Then we have the entire issue of conversion rates and relative value based on earnings. 

So it is not as cut n dry as to say... herp derp y u pay moar. 

CavemanBE

Buy a white one its cheaper in europe lol

Vrika

CavemanBE said:

Buy a white one its cheaper in europe lol

A conspiracy to damage European interior decorations with bad looking mice?

Reizla

Kiyoris said:

Well, the most ridiculous thing is.

That Europeans should be buying these mice from the US, use priority fast shipping and you are still cheaper off than buying the mice in Europe.

Buying a Logitech mouse in the US, sending it half across the world on a plane with priority shipping, is cheaper than buying it in Europe.

That is insane and wrong.

I posted on the Logitech board to see if they'll respond.

Sadly but true... Most US products we pay too much for in the EU, partly because of tax. The cases you've shown have nothing to do with tax at all, other than the difference of a few € between the countries. The 60% increase in price must have some other reason...

Also, depending on the country you live in, you can import without the import fees/taxes. If you don't import a lot of stuff you might get lucky and slip through customs (even with the actual price tag on it). Also, some countries have free postal import up to €50 and depending on law that might even be excluding postage fees.

So yeah, it really pays off if you look around and ask info about importing from your local tax department. Also, when not in a rush to get something (like no immediate replacement of a broken device) it's always worth to import from the US/CA/HK...

Warlyx

the cheapest i could found it on my country is 54.95€ (45.41 + IVA ) and is sold out atm in that shop.

but yeah , we pay wayyy more , even on digital sales we have to pay tax now and it sucks.

Wizardry

IDK how Amazon stock buying works.They might have one main purchasing order or each region might handle their own.
If they handle individually then maybe the USA division bought a ton of stock so got a really good deal.

Being in Canada ,i am used to getting ripped off because our dollar is always low on the market ,we pay high tax and prices are high,those higher prices of course also drive the tax up higher.
CDN prices
BLK wired 79.99
WHT wired 59.50
BLK USB 134.09

IDK the actual conversion to lazy to look but i would guess the BLK wired price would be around  100 an d the USB around 160 or so.