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What is Skyforge / My.com really up to?

RhoklawRhoklaw Member EpicPosts: 6,958
So, there was a time when My.com or whatever launch platform this game was using was accused of malicious use of user's computer information. I once told people that this launch platform was continuously searching my computer, even when I wasn't playing the game. Their EULA even stated for a time that it was selling information to 3rd party affiliates.

Now, I was just browsing facebook ( gag ) and came across some click bait article by Games Worth Sharing, supposedly. I was interested of course but noticed when I tried to view it, it was sending me directly to a malware website. I had to do a little more research, but apparently the article was supposed to be about Skyforge.

I've never seen so much nonsense from an MMO company when it comes to the use of malware. I highly suggest staying away from this game, unless you enjoy having your computer or personal information ransacked willingly.

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  • whilanwhilan Member UncommonPosts: 3,472
    I played some Skyforge in the past, and i'm on facebook now. I scrolled through all the posts, and I see nothing about this.  Not sure if this is indeed them doing it or if you just managed to get some weird program that is posting malware sites on your facebook page under the guise of skyforge.

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  • flizzerflizzer Member RarePosts: 2,434
    Hard to believe an MMO company would be doing such a thing.  I'm often critical of games but this seems a bit over the top. 
  • RhoklawRhoklaw Member EpicPosts: 6,958
    I can't say whether it's Skyforge or if they actually know what My.com is about, but here is an article that shows Russia is interested in American user data. Skyforge is a Russian game or developed by a Russian team, so I can't say what exactly is going on or who can be trusted.

    https://pando.com/2014/05/22/mail-ru-launches-in-america-as-my-com-ceo-admits-russian-government-could-grab-user-data/

  • ReizlaReizla Member RarePosts: 4,079
    Rhoklaw said:
    I can't say whether it's Skyforge or if they actually know what My.com is about, but here is an article that shows Russia is interested in American user data. Skyforge is a Russian game or developed by a Russian team, so I can't say what exactly is going on or who can be trusted.

    https://pando.com/2014/05/22/mail-ru-launches-in-america-as-my-com-ceo-admits-russian-government-could-grab-user-data/
    Now that doesn't surprise me at all (still have to read the article though). Putin and his latest laws concerning internet and stored data is aimed to gain control of ALL data that Russian companies and citizens produce. Part of these new laws is that ALL DATA from Russian citizens has to be stored on Russian soil (servers). Since this does include also Russian companies (like MY.com / SkyForge), it's only logical that Putin (or the Russian intelligence agencies) has direct access to this data. One of the reasons I never really play on Russian servers...

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  • LacedOpiumLacedOpium Member EpicPosts: 2,327

    We are all soldiers in the battle that is the cold war.  We are indeed all super heroes after all.
  • Adjuvant1Adjuvant1 Member RarePosts: 2,100
    You know, this rabbit hole goes much deeper than Skyforge. Here's something else to consider. Who owns controlling interest in Moscow CableCom Corp.?

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  • Octagon7711Octagon7711 Member LegendaryPosts: 8,966
    I thought that was pretty much what they all did.  Install tracking software and third party tracking software with no option to op-out.  

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  • RhoklawRhoklaw Member EpicPosts: 6,958
    I'm just glad I uninstalled that crap from my computer. Skyforge wasn't that good of a game anyways, lol.

  • TorvalTorval Member LegendaryPosts: 19,934
    You shouldn't click on articles to random websites. Pando.com used to be the domain for pando media booster. It's now a domain used for click-through adware and tracking. It has nothing to do with my.com or any of the other crap that is posted on that site.

    Don't let paranoia and shaky logic let you jump to poor conclusions. My.com and mail.ru may be selling your computer specs to data collectors, but it doesn't necessarily have anything to do with pando. That's its entirely its own mess.
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  • RhoklawRhoklaw Member EpicPosts: 6,958
    Yes, there are plenty of culprits on the internet, which is one reason I rarely use Facebook. However, I have the option of choosing what I'm looking at for the most part with FB. The fact My.com runs in the background whether I want it to or not is borderline criminal. Even after turning it off through task manager while I played Skyforge, I would logoff a few hours later, only to find My.com somehow turned itself back on.

  • TorvalTorval Member LegendaryPosts: 19,934
    I think you can tell their platform launcher not to run at startup or stay running in the background. I have the game installed but don't see a my.com or mail.ru process or service running. I could be missing it though. Do you remember the name of the service or process?
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  • WizardryWizardry Member LegendaryPosts: 17,512
    edited January 2016
    Well as soon as you enter my.com or any site you will have a ton of cookies loaded that use several url's within each.By time your information is shared it might have reached thousands of eyes in a matter of days.
    You best stay far away from the big three who all share back n forth to create tons of revenue for each other ...FB/Twitter and Google,everyone is using Google cookies
    I bet if i run my malware program right now it'll find at least one i need to get rid of.

    Last two i got were H1Z1 and that Ninelives game.I was suspicious of Ninelives fro mteh start because i usually do an online file check before unzipping but the file was too big so i couldn't.SO  eventually i decided to run my anti virus and sure enough it was detected.

    Matter of fact i think i will run the scan right now lmao.

    Yes that My.com usually stays running in your system even after your out of the game,you need to exit it from the menu bar at bottom.I totally deleted that my.com and Skyforge rather than waste my time disabling it in the start menu.

    Well that took a long time,10 secs in and an adware restart manager rpl.conduit.
    Loaded in registry i think to keep rehashing itself every time after i delete it. Not sure how after i delete the key it keeps coming back grrr.

    I usually like running my malware prog  and the free online Trend Micro,should find everything that way.

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  • cerulean2012cerulean2012 Member UncommonPosts: 492
    Rhoklaw said:
    Yes, there are plenty of culprits on the internet, which is one reason I rarely use Facebook. However, I have the option of choosing what I'm looking at for the most part with FB. The fact My.com runs in the background whether I want it to or not is borderline criminal. Even after turning it off through task manager while I played Skyforge, I would logoff a few hours later, only to find My.com somehow turned itself back on.
    Thats funny, I have Skyforge installed but rarely play and I can say that My.com does not run in the background of my computer. 

    Plus from a quick search I am not finding any articles, etc about my.com or skyforge doing any such thing.
  • Adjuvant1Adjuvant1 Member RarePosts: 2,100
    Adjuvant1 said:
     Who owns controlling interest in Moscow CableCom Corp.?
    This answer is http://www.renova.ru/en/structure/company/

    See any familiar names?

    Also http://forums.mmorpg.com/discussion/424012/will-skyforge-have-a-stigma-for-being-russian

    Is it just a matter of "more perfected weaponized Russian propaganda?" Yes and no...

    http://www.cracked.com/personal-experiences-2074-6-ways-youve-probably-read-russian-propaganda-today.html

    ( A humor site, Adjuvant1? Really? ) Humor is often honest tragedy viewed from afar.

    By our selection of vice, have we literally "plugged ourselves in" to the 21st century version of psychological warfare? We know for a fact the USA uses psyop to make manifest genuine change in public opinion abroad. What makes you think for an instant Russia would not? How dangerous is this?



  • Octagon7711Octagon7711 Member LegendaryPosts: 8,966

    4.  Users’ Authorization. Use of Data

    4.2. The User hereby agrees that MY.COM B.V. may collect, store for an indefinite term and otherwise process anonymous information on use by the User of the Software, information on hardware and software installed on the User’s personal computer, and any other anonymous technical and statistical information, which the MY.COM B.V. needs in order to identify and eliminate problems with operation of the Software, to improve the Software, and for marketing purposes. Thereby, the User hereby agrees that MY.COM B.V. has the right to download software program files to User’s computer system, that will record CPU, RAM, operating system, video card, sound card and any other anonymous technical and statistical information from User’s computer.

    http://legal.my.com/us/games/eula/

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  • RhoklawRhoklaw Member EpicPosts: 6,958
    I haven't played Skyforge since the first month it came out. I don't know how My.com works now, but when I was playing Skyforge, yes, My.com ran in the background constantly. They claimed it was because they were using peer to peer for helping people to download their game. I didn't care, because I don't want untrustworthy foreign programs sniffing my computer. So I would end the My.com process in my task manager and then play Skyforge. However, I would find My.com running again simply because I was playing Skyforge. Things may have changed, but this is how it was when it launched in the US.

  • PottedPlant22PottedPlant22 Member RarePosts: 800
    Not to sound paranoid, but I think sometimes people look at things from their point of view and assume that all countries operate by the same rules.  They do not.
  • zaberfangxzaberfangx Member UncommonPosts: 1,796
    edited January 2016
    Yeah mine does not run in the background out of the program is having problem closing like D3 does with me I have try to close it in processes. But any how most company track what program your running they can't tell what web page or what your working on in that program but mostly to keep track if people not running a hack but they may share that info or sell it to other company and even what OS you are on or video card,  cpu all the good info.


  • SpottyGekkoSpottyGekko Member EpicPosts: 6,916
    The lies that you find most believable become the "truth".
  • RzepRzep Member UncommonPosts: 767
    FB is collecting and selling your info, Google is doing it, MS is doing it, Blizzard is doing it. Everyone is. Every government in the world can sieze such info. That includes Russia an the US. That is the reality of internet. Don't like it? Stop using it. 
  • Adjuvant1Adjuvant1 Member RarePosts: 2,100
    edited January 2016
    Rzep said:
    FB is collecting and selling your info, Google is doing it, MS is doing it, Blizzard is doing it. Everyone is. Every government in the world can sieze such info. That includes Russia an the US. That is the reality of internet. Don't like it? Stop using it. 
    The qualification for "seizing personal information" are vastly different in policy from the US to Russia. If it gets out for one minute, specifically the companies you list, are just allowing "personal data" to be seized without due process, barring non-100% security (which is always the case), there would be hell to pay. Competitors would ride that legitimized breach of trust and you'd see a pivotal swing in market share.

    Aggregate anonymized data, sure, I can see what you're saying. That's used in advertisement solicitation and pasted all over. Data which might better allow a stalker to harm you, for example, though? No. Not for one moment, not on your life. There's entirely too much to lose.

    edit: These corporations know they collect and handle sensitive information. This is not taken lightly for one primary reason and the only reason I need to argue, profit. That's all need be said. If any act adversely affects profit, it will meet immediate and certain eschewal.
  • jmcdermottukjmcdermottuk Member RarePosts: 1,569
    Ok, so you never heard of Echelon then.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ECHELON

    Big Brother didn't arrive in 1984, he's been here since the 70's.
  • Adjuvant1Adjuvant1 Member RarePosts: 2,100
    Ok, so you never heard of Echelon then.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ECHELON

    Big Brother didn't arrive in 1984, he's been here since the 70's.
    Yes, of course there is ECHELON and also PRISM, but this is another issue, wholly and fundamentally. It's not even in the realm of this discussion, and if you don't understand why, there's no point going round and round trying to explain it.

    I'll just say, in short, the basis and intent of these programs are not to A ) produce profit, B ) propagandize, C ) impugn an individual, or D ) any combination or variation of A to C. If you're worried someone's horning in on your cybersexor or care how many times a day you take a dump, you're hallucinating. If you feel these are government programs to collect data for better mind control for the NWO, you're a sordidly lost conspiracy theorist.

    This isn't the same subject of the thread.
  • SebaliSebali Member UncommonPosts: 395
    OPs explanation is how i came to the MMORPG.com website to check out the game. the facebook article/advert is exactly like OP states. click it and it takes you thru my.com to what appears to be the skyforge site. something seemed fishy to me so i came here to check it out. not sure if it actually was the skyforge site, but i didnt want to take a chance
  • TerisBlueTerisBlue Member CommonPosts: 2
    edited March 2016
    Okay, guys just go to Skyforge.com if you are worried about any link.  Honestly, any link on any website can redirect you without you knowing and do a drive by download of malware.  It's the age we live in.

    As far as Skyforge being potentially used by Russia to build a database on me, there is much easier ways to get my information than spending countless hours developing gaming content to take it.  Throw up a porn site and you will have more information in your database than you can handle after a week. 

    I've been playing Skyforge for about six months.  If they want to track my data I hope they see want an awesome knight I've become in the game and if they are going to steal anything, take it from that damn gunner that is OP and keeps killing me in PvP.

    The site tells you when you go there that they use cookies and you have to accept them but so does Black Desert online, so does every other website out there, at least those two companies are being upfront about it.
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