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This game doesn't seem like it should be pick of 2015...
Colt47
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I'm at the point where I think this game is run by well intentioned idiots. I've played the game since it was Reborn back in 2014 and went through the heavensward expansion before they hit the content patches. It's a fun game, but they just did not plan out at all any of the long term systems to keep people invested in the game after hitting end game. First they charged for inventory expansion by adding more to the subscription cost thanks to their ill conceived retainer system, then they limited crafting viability as a way to reach end game equity with those who are dedicated raiders, and finally they've now had not one, but two different housing disasters thanks to their guild housing system.
MMORPGs shouldn't be defined solely by how good their main story and leveling content is. They got to be defined by their ability to be lived in, as that is the point of an RPG. If players have to live with inconveniences and get charged just to have those things fixed, there is a problem with the game that needs to get resolved.
Gods this feels almost pointless posting this, but it's just so incomparably bad of a situation the game is in. The only thing keeping this game floating is content. If SE so much as reshuffles their development resources once and goes to blizzards schedule it's going to crash.
MMORPGs shouldn't be defined solely by how good their main story and leveling content is. They got to be defined by their ability to be lived in, as that is the point of an RPG. If players have to live with inconveniences and get charged just to have those things fixed, there is a problem with the game that needs to get resolved.
Gods this feels almost pointless posting this, but it's just so incomparably bad of a situation the game is in. The only thing keeping this game floating is content. If SE so much as reshuffles their development resources once and goes to blizzards schedule it's going to crash.
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Retainers were in the game in 1.0 when the game first launched, it seems absurd to complain about the retainers as if they're a new thing that was post ARR and part of the problem with the current management. 14 has a lot of 'world' in it, there are so many side activities. Just to name a few, Housing, Verminion, treasure hunting, allied hunts, weddings, group crafting, and all of the crafting.
You don't mention what these 'housing disasters' are so I can't refute them, however, I've not heard of ANYTHING negative about the housing. As for crafting viability? It's extremely viable... What do you mean it's limited as a way to get equal to raiding? Some raid drops are used in crafting, some crafted gear is better than raid gear...
Honestly no offense but you didn't explain any of your points and this whole thing comes off as confusing.
As for housing, I totally understand why they did what they did and agree it is necessary to have the 45 day timer, but players need a way to get back the time and effort they put into buying that house. This isn't a small money sink: it can take some players sixty or more gaming hours to get enough for even a small house, and that is being optimistic.
Not our fault your a hoarder. Before you get any retainers you get 200 inventory slots. In WoW you get 10. ESO you get 60. Should I keep going?
yeah dude, you're trying too much and reaching too far.
Let me edit. I know what you want, you want a game that gives you to slots. then you can buy more, say a total of 200 slots and you think that game is the bomb right?
Yeah no thank's. 600 inventory slots if fine enough for anybody except you.
Plus if you pay 12.99$ like I do, you could add another retainer and you're sub will be 14.99$
Really not seeing the issue here. Sub games are usually 14.99$.
Also, "hoarder"? What? Someone is inventing some interesting conclusions.
For crafting and gathering you often need several or more different items that could be used across several recipes and quests. This leads to a LOT of room being eaten up in an inventory and I'd hardly call anyone who crafts a hoarder. At least not the ones I knew. People do tend to keep cosmetic armor pieces so I suppose you could call that hording, but given the developers intend us to actually keep those items to begin with, that isn't exactly hoarding.
Right now I feel like your response is sort of akin to "I ignore 90% of the game mechanics that are giving you issues. Therefore, you are a dumb ass."
How the heck does that conclusion make any sense?!
Again, WOW starts with 10. ESO has 60. SWTOR starts with 20. WE START WITH 200.
WoW only has 400 slots. SWTOR has 600 max. Including storage.
In FF for 14.99$ you can have the game for the month and the sub rewards and an extra retainer putting you at 800 inventory slots.
Again, where is the issue?
http://n4g.com/news/1842922/ffxiv-is-in-the-midst-of-a-major-housing-crisis
Original housing crisis funny shinaniganry
https://www.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/comments/2gjd3o/how_to_fix_the_current_housing_crisis/
Thread on the steam community about retainers and heavensward...
https://steamcommunity.com/app/39210/discussions/0/594820656463600272/
and more from reddit...
https://www.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/comments/3i3ufn/can_we_please_have_more_retainerinventory_slots/
It's kind of everywhere, actually. Most of that I was able to find off of using google search in about 5 minutes of time. O.o
Number one rule in my books,don't copy anything from Wow.
Even still it is a greatr looking game,a fair bit of stuff to do other than JUST quests and crafting is soild and well laid out.
Too bad like EVERY developer they went cheap on housing, but yeah nobody goes all in one of the most important aspects of a mmorpg and many games don't have it at all.
I realize and again it is the same through all developers,nobody is going all in,they cut corners some where and in case of FFXIV,no water zones as well as avoiding falling damage,unless they put it in since i left.
I don't think i will ever see a complete game in my lifetime,so we just have to pick and choose from what we have and imo FFXIV is not a bad choice at all.For me ,i have gone back to the routes and playing some really good single player games while i wait for my FFXI replacement.
Never forget 3 mile Island and never trust a government official or company spokesman.
Any mmo worth its salt should be like a good prostitute when it comes to its game world- One hell of a faker, and a damn good shaker!
Mind you, I never said anything about housing. I agree 100% it's BS. I want a house but can't afford one.
Now, the reason i'm not going to take you seriously is because you could not link anything from the OF. Because that's where people who play the game, go to voice their complaints. Real people because they pay a sub and their voice matters. Not unsubbed, unhappy trolls on reddit or, god forbid, **shudders**, steam community. I have used steam for years and never used their "community". Same with reddit. Just go look at the garbage they spew. And mods only agree with people they like too.
So with that said, yeah, you're reaching, again. You're probably mad because FF XIV ARR is doing better then you're current mmo or you're one of those people who hate every game no matter what it is. If housing and inventory are you're biggest concerns, then you should never play an mmo again. Especially a f2p mmo. Housing does not help you in game. Housing is more of a, "Look what I got. Is'nt it pretty", kinda thing. You owning a house over me will not help you're chances of trying to out dps me lol. You're not going to get weapons faster. You're not going to level faster. You can buy a room in you're FC house. You can do the voyages from the FC house. Hell, you can do anything from an FC house. Or you're like the 0.0001% of people who are not part of an FC for some dumb reason. Or you're one of those who comes to an mmorpg and just never be social, ever.
Whatever dude. These are you're two reasons for not playing. Sorry that I see it as petty and trivial.
Unlike you, I live in my world with my room in my FC mansion where we go on exploratory missions for Diadem Hard mode.
I don't know why you're concerned that a small percentage of people are concerned. It's like, Monkey See - Monkey Do. If they bitch, I can bitch. LOL
So many people have these same complaints; it doesn't matter that the information comes from the OF or not. Anyone who's played the game knows that it's a common complaint that the inventory management system is archaic, clunky, and in drastic need of an overhaul. Sticking your head in the sand and pretending like the problem doesn't exist doesn't do anything for anyone. If you don't have this particular problem, awesome! However, that doesn't mean other people won't have this problem and complain, though.
OP, I agree with all of your points. They're points of contention I've had with the game myself, as well as many others; however, the game does deserve pick of 2015. It's not enough of a reason to hate the game or take away from it's standing as the "best" current theme-park, vertical progression, treadmill content game.
Yoshi-p has created a lovely living world, and there's tons to do in the game if you're just picking it up. In fact, it's overwhelming if you're just starting, because there seems to be a "limitless" amount of content.
We know housing is an issue and somehow you two have problems managing the biggest inventory in mmo's out but, to each their own I guess.
So, instead of complaining here, where clearly nobody will listen, go to the OF and post there. Clearly they do listen and try to fix things.
If you can't post on the OF because you don't play, then why even bother wasting the energy on a game you don't want to play or were so unhappy with it, you unsubbed? I mean, honestly? What would be the point if I went to the Wildstar forums and bitched about end game? I currently don't play and will never play again so, out of sight, out of mind. I sure as hell am not going to burden myself over it.
There's little reason to dispute the points of someone who so quickly resorts to personal attacks; once you've resorted to that, you're clearly out of points to make anyways.
Inventory management is subjective at best and varies from opinion to opinion. Jeeze dude.
Can I ask why you're not addressing all my points as I have done for you? Is their a reason you're trying to stick to quoting one liners? Misdirection? Avoiding something? Maybe I have valid points? Maybe you're having trouble disputing those points so you just avoid it by misdirecting to quoting one liners and using them as a defense shield for you're argument? Shocking I know. May I ask how I attacked you? I was informing you on reddit facts lol.
Not to mention while Reddit is a cesspool of vitriol, it's the best place in the world to find complaints on any one subject because it has that reputation. People know they can voice themselves there without a lot of moderation, and so as long as someone reads between the lines it's great.
Again, you're resorting to personal attacks for the basis of an argument. It completely undermines and sort of "points" you're trying to make.
Go to the Official Forums, and do a search for Inventory Space. Look at all the results that come back.
The limitations of inventory space has been discussed many times over there.
It was even raised as a question for Yoshida just yesterday.
If you want to remain willfully ignorant to the reality of concerns and issues people have with this game - yes, even those playing it - that's fine. Just understand, many others aren't.
Oh, and when you're trying to dismiss or debunk someone else's arguments, make sure your replies are actually correct.
Now, go ahead and try to paint me as someone who isn't playing (hint: I am) because I'm not agreeing with you.
That said... Frankly, I agree with the OP. As time goes on, and we see what Yoshida is releasing with each update, and what's planned in the future, I'm beginning to believe the guy has hit the ceiling of what he can bring to this game. I'm thinking it might be near time for him to step aside and bring someone else in with more imagination, and the will to try new things, and who isn't obsessed with coddling the players, and ever-fearful of "stressing us out", like we're all made of tissue paper.
Where the game falls is it's inventory management and housing systems, Character design, and world lore / story. The first is pretty easy to see as limited lots have caused many issues with people abusing the housing lots for profit, while the inventory system becomes problematic thanks to crafting materials glut and retainers being a way for SE to increase the subscription fee.
The biggest issue I have with the game is the lack of character in the racial designs. Final Fantasy XI nailed it with an almost wizard of oz feel. It merged animal features in such a way that it made the races more than just people with cat ears or people with dark skin and even gave them traits that fit the race well (Mithra rolling their r's was a nice touch). FFXIV takes the designs and makes them a bit too close to being human. The only race to come out mostly unscathed was the Galka / Roe, which only lost their tail and some facial hair.
Welcome to a world where online games with no world building and players walk on a set of rails are considered MMORPGs.