Why do we need another VR thread? We have a hot thread on that already?
Because it's not a VR thread. It's an AR education thread and how it makes VR a "hen of Leeds fad".
So an inflammatory thread that makes statements that cannot be proven or disproven for years to come then?
I guess, if by "cannot be proven" you really mean "is in the process of being proven, but not to me because I don't understand", then sure.
Thank you proving you are simply trying to flame.
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Thanks for... dismissing a premise because you feel your intelligence is being insulted? You obviously didn't read the thread content, to call it a "VR thread".
I don't know how else to respond, sorry. Can't save everybody.
Go to a gaming site and dis the latest gadget made for playing games while promoting the other gadget made for not playing games.
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Hey look another dumb VR thread from someone who has likely never even tried it. Take it from someone who has and someone who was thinking it might be a gimmick...guess what its not a gimmick, its pretty awsome and has applications outside of gaming. AR and VR are quite different in what they can do, they dont server the same purpose.
never anything wrong with opening your mind and giving something a fair shake. If you dont like it, ignore it. Not sure why something that barely exists right now thats so new that most people have not experinced needs to be ripped on by people with no idea.
Also what was the point of this thread? to just assume VR is bad and say AR is better (which again is just an assumption)?
I have to laugh at all the naysayers when it comes to Oculus Rift and the new push for VR. If it is as good as it appears it will be you will buy it and you know it. It almost seems as if some people want VR to fail. This can be an incredible gaming experience, why would you not want that?? Not saying it will be great, but cautious optimism is okay, I promise.
Why do we need another VR thread? We have a hot thread on that already?
Because it's not a VR thread. It's an AR education thread and how it makes VR a "hen of Leeds fad".
So an inflammatory thread that makes statements that cannot be proven or disproven for years to come then?
I guess, if by "cannot be proven" you really mean "is in the process of being proven, but not to me because I don't understand", then sure.
Thank you proving you are simply trying to flame.
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Thanks for... dismissing a premise because you feel your intelligence is being insulted? You obviously didn't read the thread content, to call it a "VR thread".
I don't know how else to respond, sorry. Can't save everybody.
It would appear every single person but yourself agrees with me. Democracy says your wrong kid, accept it.
Also the fact that you felt the need to insult anybody is what proves you are just out to flame... so thanks for owning yourself as well lol derpa.
VR will not take over mainstream gaming, that will stay well and clearly in the realm curved 4k displays for most genres, and successors to 4k. Try wearing VR on your head for 8 hours gaming day, he'll have a headache. Flight Sim lovers, and race gaming lovers will have a blast though. If you try do competitive FPS wearing these, those on fast full screen displays will have the edge.
I have to laugh at all the naysayers when it comes to Oculus Rift and the new push for VR. If it is as good as it appears it will be you will buy it and you know it. It almost seems as if some people want VR to fail. This can be an incredible gaming experience, why would you not want that?? Not saying it will be great, but cautious optimism is okay, I promise.
I couldn't care less if it succeeds or not, I certainly have no interest in it (but I don't "want" it to fail").
Personally, I don't even like to put sunglasses on as they feel uncomfortable to me. Certainly wouldn't wanna wear that. The premise doesn't really excite me at all either. As I said in another thread, I like gaming as it is already, I don't really see this as improving on that at all.
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
People seem to have an all or nothing view of things. Theiris room for both technologies. There is a story on BBC news right now about kids who use VR to take a tour of a museum. We need to remember that there is a world outside off gaming. VR has a ton of application in medical, cultural, etc... And yes, gaming. Same goes for AR. Google glass failed, not because it didn't have merit, but because they treated it like s finished product, which it wasnt.
'There can be only one' doesn't apply here. They can coexist.
All the years of Star Trek must have ruined me. VR won't come of age in my lifetime. I do agree AR will, in the short term, evolve into something more common and practical. I want neither in my games.
Apparently you never wore or seen Occulus rift. Its is far more advance than the shades of green and red that the 90s VR's had. I think eventually it will be like the Matrix or Sword Art online which I am looking forward to.
I just don't games being build around VR so they will be limited for a while until technology dictates otherwise.
Viable Augmented reality - ~2020+ (Better than google glass, but still external hardware based)
Retina Augmented reality - 2030+ (Like the contacts Mr. Kaku mentions)
Neural Augmented reality - ~2100+ (Think Deus Ex Neural implants) ; Can bring just about anything you can dream up into reality: HUD's, Diameters of your coffee mug, fall rates, temperature analysis, height analysis, stop watch, test cheats, pong, you can paste details over objects and people; remember the saying "think of them as a talking fish? There's an app for that! Want to give your Christmas tree to your friends? Scan it with your brain and copy/past it into their room. Just beware of DRM. Last but not least, augmented objects that simulate tangible gravitational effects such as baseballs that you can throw (Augmented sports?!). --- Of course, you can jump into your favorite virtual world on the fly as well = No more boredom at the DMV. Why be bored at the DMV when you can take a seat at the 2116 International Virtual Boxing competition for only 500 creds? Sure you could do much of this with previous generations of augmented reality minus jumping into VR, but now you can simply use your mind to access any of it. Want to play the 9th spiritual successor to Star Citizen while sitting on the toilet? Go for it! It's Virtual using a real augmented overlay within the virtual space, allowing the game to mimic real world visuals. It's like reverse rape, but pertaining to augmented reality and VR. Don't kid yourself into thinking you ever actually go out and talk to people though;; Psh, that's what the internet is for. That and porn.
------------------- 3000+ Humans extinct?
Humans will be extinct far sooner than 3000+ according to some like Kurzweil.
If Kurzweil is anywhere near correct - the strong AI happens in 2030s - singularity in 2050s - at which point humanity as is loses all purpose (the rate of advancement is beyond collective human understanding), the AI superintelligence is so far advanced that a human mind (without augmentation) can't grasp it anymore.
Our collective understanding of technology/AI isn't exactly stellar as it is, so it wouldn't be a surprise.
AR has extremely limited application when it comes to gaming. You can't make my livingroom look like a space station or the surface of Mars or a treasure-filled dungeon just by adding a few overlays to what I see before me. You'd have to entirely replace what I see in front of me, and that's what VR headsets do.
I have no doubt that there will be some really great apps for AR, but AR and VR will not compete in gaming.
The point i think is that with AR you still in reality but you enhance it. This has a distinct advantage because you can still function as a human being. With a VR helmet you are a potato when it comes to any interaction with the rest of the world.
Let's pretend we have a set of contact lenses instead of something like google glass:
1. Cars: As soon as you enter the car it connects to the contact lenses and uses them to display all information. Traffic and GPS is integrated including movement information of other cars (speed, distance to you). Warnings and signs are enhanced. A rear mirror with 2 perspectives or more. Your car has a complete HUD now for all dashboard info.
2. Buildings: As soon as you enter the building connects to your contact lenses to Overlay information of all offices, who works where and how to get there. A Museum overlays information and animation on top of the exhibits. Stores display prices, information about the product and special deals.
Schools enhance learning in classrooms.
You booked a flight with American Airlines to Paris. As soon as you enter the Airport it will recognize you and your booking, direct you to the check in and waiting area. Once it's time it shows you your seat. On the plane you get flight information, menu information and of cause a movie overlay.
__________
Just 2 examples where AR is going to make a huge difference for EVERYONE because it enhances LIFE. It does not shut out reality. It's practical and useful.
Compared that to a VR helmet that makes you blind, sitting at home in a chair playing virtual reality games. The difference between the 2 could not be bigger. VR is an extreme niche and a gimmick, AR is the future.
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Just 2 examples where AR is going to make a huge difference for EVERYONE because it enhances LIFE. It does not shut out reality. It's practical and useful.
Compared that to a VR helmet that makes you blind, sitting at home in a chair playing virtual reality games. The difference between the 2 could not be bigger. VR is an extreme niche and a gimmick, AR is the future.
The problems with those examples, especially the car example is this: it would require / encourage lots of multitasking. Which was all the rage over the last past years, but it also doesn't work. One cannot do multiple things at once as effectively as when you devote your attention to one task (driving).
Using cellphones, texting etc. behind the wheel has already been shown to increase the chance of accidents more so than alcohol. Getting tons of info from AR glasses / lenses will carry those risks as well, especially if people start using them for the aforementioned things as well.
Unless we all make the switch to self-driving automated everything.
As for VR, I also believe it will remain a gimmick for now. Unless they start shipping them for free with all consoles or something. The prime use for me would be actually seeing what the hell I'm playing from the couch, as developers keep making those damn fonts smaller lol.
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VR have great applications as a accessibility and visualisation tool. The main problem is that most people only look at it from a "gaming" point of view. Same with AR.
I do no think either will ever be a huge gaming thing (just look at the Gear VR for an example.. ).. At least not a mobile one. But that does not equal that they do not have a massive amount of areas where it actually is usefull.
After all. AR pretty much got it´s start as a schematic tool for Boeing.
Let's pretend we have a set of contact lenses instead of something like google glass:
...
That's the realm of extreme science fiction at this point.
Even if the contact lenses were some form of advanced miniaturized transparent display screen, what would be their power source ? How would the data be transferred to the lens/screen ? How would the contact lens know what your eyes were looking at, or whether you were focusing on something close or far away ?
The amount of data gathering, processing and miniaturization required is huge. It would most probably be a few centuries before that kind of device becomes mass-produced consumer tech.
Devices like Google Glass are what we'll see in the near and medium-term future.
You can already play AR games now. Minecraft for example.
There are currently 179 games listed with VR support and that list is about to double on release of the Oculus. But Microsoft has 1 game which nobody can play other than them?
I find it odd how some people think a prooven technology with applications and games that can be used right now and is about to go to commerical releae and has sold out and has billions of dollars pumped into it will fail but a theortical technology that only exists in labs is the real gem of the future.
That is like being an 'innovator' and a 'lagard' all at the same time
Please do not respond to me, even if I ask you a question, its rhetorical.
Viable Augmented reality - ~2020+ (Better than google glass, but still external hardware based)
Retina Augmented reality - 2030+ (Like the contacts Mr. Kaku mentions)
Neural Augmented reality - ~2100+ (Think Deus Ex Neural implants) ; Can bring just about anything you can dream up into reality: HUD's, Diameters of your coffee mug, fall rates, temperature analysis, height analysis, stop watch, test cheats, pong, you can paste details over objects and people; remember the saying "think of them as a talking fish? There's an app for that! Want to give your Christmas tree to your friends? Scan it with your brain and copy/past it into their room. Just beware of DRM. Last but not least, augmented objects that simulate tangible gravitational effects such as baseballs that you can throw (Augmented sports?!). --- Of course, you can jump into your favorite virtual world on the fly as well = No more boredom at the DMV. Why be bored at the DMV when you can take a seat at the 2116 International Virtual Boxing competition for only 500 creds? Sure you could do much of this with previous generations of augmented reality minus jumping into VR, but now you can simply use your mind to access any of it. Want to play the 9th spiritual successor to Star Citizen while sitting on the toilet? Go for it! It's Virtual using a real augmented overlay within the virtual space, allowing the game to mimic real world visuals. It's like reverse rape, but pertaining to augmented reality and VR. Don't kid yourself into thinking you ever actually go out and talk to people though;; Psh, that's what the internet is for. That and porn.
------------------- 3000+ Humans extinct?
Humans will be extinct far sooner than 3000+ according to some like Kurzweil.
If Kurzweil is anywhere near correct - the strong AI happens in 2030s - singularity in 2050s - at which point humanity as is loses all purpose (the rate of advancement is beyond collective human understanding), the AI superintelligence is so far advanced that a human mind (without augmentation) can't grasp it anymore.
One of several reasons as to why human evolution will need to change from natural selection to 'manual' genetic manipulations and human cyberization both in order to enchance human capabilities.
Question is though will that mean that human race will stop being human.
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I don't know how else to respond, sorry. Can't save everybody.
Go to a gaming site and dis the latest gadget made for playing games while promoting the other gadget made for not playing games.
“Microtransactions? In a single player role-playing game? Are you nuts?”
― CD PROJEKT RED
never anything wrong with opening your mind and giving something a fair shake. If you dont like it, ignore it. Not sure why something that barely exists right now thats so new that most people have not experinced needs to be ripped on by people with no idea.
Also what was the point of this thread? to just assume VR is bad and say AR is better (which again is just an assumption)?
Also the fact that you felt the need to insult anybody is what proves you are just out to flame... so thanks for owning yourself as well lol derpa.
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Personally, I don't even like to put sunglasses on as they feel uncomfortable to me. Certainly wouldn't wanna wear that. The premise doesn't really excite me at all either. As I said in another thread, I like gaming as it is already, I don't really see this as improving on that at all.
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
There is a story on BBC news right now about kids who use VR to take a tour of a museum. We need to remember that there is a world outside off gaming. VR has a ton of application in medical, cultural, etc... And yes, gaming. Same goes for AR. Google glass failed, not because it didn't have merit, but because they treated it like s finished product, which it wasnt.
'There can be only one' doesn't apply here. They can coexist.
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I self identify as a monkey.
I just don't games being build around VR so they will be limited for a while until technology dictates otherwise.
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This isn't a signature, you just think it is.
I have no doubt that there will be some really great apps for AR, but AR and VR will not compete in gaming.
Some examples of non-gaming VR: http://www.bbc.com/news/technology-35205783
Let's pretend we have a set of contact lenses instead of something like google glass:
1. Cars: As soon as you enter the car it connects to the contact lenses and uses them to display all information. Traffic and GPS is integrated including movement information of other cars (speed, distance to you). Warnings and signs are enhanced. A rear mirror with 2 perspectives or more. Your car has a complete HUD now for all dashboard info.
2. Buildings: As soon as you enter the building connects to your contact lenses to Overlay information of all offices, who works where and how to get there. A Museum overlays information and animation on top of the exhibits. Stores display prices, information about the product and special deals.
Schools enhance learning in classrooms.
You booked a flight with American Airlines to Paris. As soon as you enter the Airport it will recognize you and your booking, direct you to the check in and waiting area. Once it's time it shows you your seat. On the plane you get flight information, menu information and of cause a movie overlay.
__________
Just 2 examples where AR is going to make a huge difference for EVERYONE because it enhances LIFE. It does not shut out reality. It's practical and useful.
Compared that to a VR helmet that makes you blind, sitting at home in a chair playing virtual reality games. The difference between the 2 could not be bigger. VR is an extreme niche and a gimmick, AR is the future.
"It's pretty simple, really. If your only intention in posting about a particular game or topic is to be negative, then yes, you should probably move on. Voicing a negative opinion is fine, continually doing so on the same game is basically just trolling."
- Michael Bitton
Community Manager, MMORPG.com
"As an online discussion about Star Citizen grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Derek Smart approaches 1" - MrSnuffles's law
"I am jumping in here a bit without knowing exactly what you all or talking about."
- SEANMCAD
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Using cellphones, texting etc. behind the wheel has already been shown to increase the chance of accidents more so than alcohol. Getting tons of info from AR glasses / lenses will carry those risks as well, especially if people start using them for the aforementioned things as well.
Unless we all make the switch to self-driving automated everything.
As for VR, I also believe it will remain a gimmick for now. Unless they start shipping them for free with all consoles or something. The prime use for me would be actually seeing what the hell I'm playing from the couch, as developers keep making those damn fonts smaller lol.
Feel free to use my referral link for SW:TOR if you want to test out the game. You'll get some special unlocks!
I do no think either will ever be a huge gaming thing (just look at the Gear VR for an example..
After all. AR pretty much got it´s start as a schematic tool for Boeing.
This have been a good conversation
Even if the contact lenses were some form of advanced miniaturized transparent display screen, what would be their power source ? How would the data be transferred to the lens/screen ? How would the contact lens know what your eyes were looking at, or whether you were focusing on something close or far away ?
The amount of data gathering, processing and miniaturization required is huge. It would most probably be a few centuries before that kind of device becomes mass-produced consumer tech.
Devices like Google Glass are what we'll see in the near and medium-term future.
But Microsoft has 1 game which nobody can play other than them?
I find it odd how some people think a prooven technology with applications and games that can be used right now and is about to go to commerical releae and has sold out and has billions of dollars pumped into it will fail but a theortical technology that only exists in labs is the real gem of the future.
That is like being an 'innovator' and a 'lagard' all at the same time
Please do not respond to me, even if I ask you a question, its rhetorical.
Please do not respond to me
Question is though will that mean that human race will stop being human.
uh god damnit, thank you.
thought i am the only one feeling like that :P
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