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Playstation RPG developer Idea Factory pulling out of the West due to censorship.

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  • bartoni33bartoni33 Member RarePosts: 2,044
    Gdemami said:
    bartoni33 said:
    Ah yes, the whole "OMG someone made a funny and I am a special butthurtfly" retardedness (OMG he used a clinical term in jest, oww my ass hurts). That was the first time I saw the term Social Justice Warrior used. A sad day for gaming and liberal society in general. But here we are...
    I might be wrong but from the links provided and other links, this isn't about being censored, they are not.

    They just get ESRB Mature rating for US market. There goes the hypocrisy about not being "true to the original developed art". No one is preventing them from selling same content they do in Japan, they will just get a nice Mature staple on their products and probably won't make as much money(?).
    You are correct. The post you quoted was in reference to the actual censorship that was brought on by SJW tears in respect to Pillars of Eternity.

    Their is a lot going on in this thread isn't their? :o

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  • KyleranKyleran Member LegendaryPosts: 41,537
    Fine with me, appears we'll be better off without games featuring prepubescent girls as the main characters.

    Anime is frequently just weird and by no means "art"


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  • KyleranKyleran Member LegendaryPosts: 41,537
    Gdemami said:
    bartoni33 said:
    Ah yes, the whole "OMG someone made a funny and I am a special butthurtfly" retardedness (OMG he used a clinical term in jest, oww my ass hurts). That was the first time I saw the term Social Justice Warrior used. A sad day for gaming and liberal society in general. But here we are...
    I might be wrong but from the links provided and other links, this isn't about being censored, they are not.

    They just get ESRB Mature rating for US market. There goes the hypocrisy about not being "true to the original developed art". No one is preventing them from selling same content they do in Japan, they will just get a nice Mature staple on their products and probably won't make as much money(?).
    Bingo.  These titles aren't censored, they get rated appropriately which lowers sales which is really what's at play here.

    No great defense of art, just financially not worth the cost vs the return on doing so.

    Amazing people fall for this corporate BS.

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  • Gaming.Rocks2Gaming.Rocks2 Member UncommonPosts: 531
    Kyleran said:
    Fine with me, appears we'll be better off without games featuring prepubescent girls as the main characters.

    Anime is frequently just weird and by no means "art"



    I don't want to make a long list, but there are Animes that are in top 100 movies of all time, won Oscars and many other international awards. It is by all means art. 
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  • EponyxDamorEponyxDamor Member RarePosts: 749
    edited December 2015
    I do consider anime/manga to be an art form, albeit an art form that I'm not particularly fond of or completely understand (to each their own). Although, that's not what the heart of this argument is about; it's about a game company withdrawing sales from a region.

    This isn't an issue about censorship, from my understanding. They withdrew sales from the West because of the rating system, not censorship, which hurt sales that would primarily be coming from minors. Instead of changing their game so that they could have more sales in a different region, they've opted not to do so.

    No matter how you want to spin it, these games (specifically the video you posted) depict sexual acts (such as tit rubbing and jacking off) between or involving (what appear to be) severely (10? 12?) under-aged children. That is looked down upon in the Western market, and as such, sales will be lower; games of this sort never do particularly well in the Western market from my understanding, so they likely pulled out of the region because of this.

    It's just not the market for it; nothing to do with censorship.
    Post edited by EponyxDamor on
  • NightliteNightlite Member UncommonPosts: 227
    I find it funny in Libtard America that every sexual perversion has been made mainstream, and cultural standards sacrificed in the name of political correctness; would refuse to accept what the Japanese and Koreans consider artist in their society.

    Do any of you even get upset when you see who is sexualizing REAL children and putting them on display in your own country? No, I didn't think so..
  • LetsinodLetsinod Member UncommonPosts: 385
    Am I missing something here?  I never heard of this developer since I don't play Japanese games.  I looked through the best selling games of all time top 25 from multiple systems (including Nintendo) and couldn't find them or any game they made.  Who the hell are they?
  • IselinIselin Member LegendaryPosts: 17,916
    Kyleran said:
    Gdemami said:
    bartoni33 said:
    Ah yes, the whole "OMG someone made a funny and I am a special butthurtfly" retardedness (OMG he used a clinical term in jest, oww my ass hurts). That was the first time I saw the term Social Justice Warrior used. A sad day for gaming and liberal society in general. But here we are...
    I might be wrong but from the links provided and other links, this isn't about being censored, they are not.

    They just get ESRB Mature rating for US market. There goes the hypocrisy about not being "true to the original developed art". No one is preventing them from selling same content they do in Japan, they will just get a nice Mature staple on their products and probably won't make as much money(?).
    Bingo.  These titles aren't censored, they get rated appropriately which lowers sales which is really what's at play here.

    No great defense of art, just financially not worth the cost vs the return on doing so.

    Amazing people fall for this corporate BS.
    This is one case where the company itself is making statements pointing the finger at Western political movements:

    Last month, a community manager for developer Team Ninja implied in a Facebook post that the decision to not publish Dead or Alive Xtreme 3 in the West was due to "many issues happening in video game industry with regard to how to treat female in video game industry."

    This, of course, feeds right into the OP's gynophobic world view.

    But yeah, what we actually have here is a peddler of child porn moaning about having to comply with the customs of other countries that are less permissive than Japan with respect to manga pedophilia if they want to make the kind of profit they're used to making, finding that it's too much hassle for them and pointing fingers at the same gamergate boogy(wo)men trying to get those scumbags to rally behind their "fight for freedom of expression."

    Child porn peddlers whining... nothing to see here.
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  • iixviiiixiixviiiix Member RarePosts: 2,256

    Raxeon said:
    just release english sub version on playasia so people can order from  there save you localization cost
    Im OK with that. I play JRPGs with english subtitles when available to help with my Japanese, which i dont speak at all, but gotta start somewhere. The best part of it is im giving my money directly to Japans market so they can make more games. I say that because my favorite games have always been Japanese RPGs.

    Agree . If talk about Japanese game , i prefer English sub instead of dub . They just need to release the version with multiple languages .
    If it's a game i want , pay more for shipping cost is fine .

    You know , i was ROFL when saw some anime with censorship like yugioh or some other . They censor the guns so you have invisible air guns lol .
    And that anime originally r-12 or r-16 . At that age , kid know what's gun , they aren't pure .
  • OnigodOnigod Member UncommonPosts: 756
    You know you live in a great world when NONE of the gamers that play these games want them to be censored but they are forced to be censored because people who would never play them want so.
  • BigRamboBigRambo Member UncommonPosts: 191
     When you rely solely on boobs and bare butts as selling points for your game, then we shouldn't have it in the west in the first place. If I wanted porn, I'd google it, plain and simple. Let's stop being politically correct for a while and speak facts, instead of banning people like me that hit subjects such as these straight on without hesitation.  I play a game to enjoy the game play and the adventure that goes with it.  Something that is really lacking in today's titles that put all the effort on high end graphics, but in this case, tits N' ass. 

      Boobs and butt naked female toons are childish games that you find for under 6$ on Steam and are meant as a joke more than anything.  For a huge title though, I want something serious.  

      I've said it countless times and I'll say it again, the East can keep their garbage.  I got more respect for Hello Kitty than most games coming out of the East right now. 

     All of you who play games for cartoonish breasts and butts, have you ever tried googling a porn site? Pete's sake, do yourselves a favor and google some pornography, watch some Hentai porn for all I care. But leave sex out of major titles. I'd rather have devs work on game play and class balancing through out the game instead of having them balancing breasts and what color thong to put on goblin female characters. 

      
  • IselinIselin Member LegendaryPosts: 17,916
    Onigod said:
    You know you live in a great world when NONE of the gamers that play these games want them to be censored but they are forced to be censored because people who would never play them want so.
    Yeah right? There are all these people worldwide campaigning against female genital mutilation customs that have never been mutilated themselves... what's up with that?
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  • ShodanasShodanas Member RarePosts: 1,933
    Kiyoris said:
    DMKano said:
    How many threads are you going to start on the same thing?
    I have never started a thread on this. It's one of the largest Japanese RPG developers. 

    What does it matter to you. Leave the thread if you don't like the thread instead of trolling it.

    Go, shoo.
    Yeah well, maybe said developers should focus more on building good rpg's instead of filling them with girls dressed in mini school uniforms displaying their x-sized boobs for the teenagers to j**k off.
  • SovrathSovrath Member LegendaryPosts: 30,960
    Gdemami said:
    bartoni33 said:
    Ah yes, the whole "OMG someone made a funny and I am a special butthurtfly" retardedness (OMG he used a clinical term in jest, oww my ass hurts). That was the first time I saw the term Social Justice Warrior used. A sad day for gaming and liberal society in general. But here we are...
    I might be wrong but from the links provided and other links, this isn't about being censored, they are not.

    They just get ESRB Mature rating for US market. There goes the hypocrisy about not being "true to the original developed art". No one is preventing them from selling same content they do in Japan, they will just get a nice Mature staple on their products and probably won't make as much money(?).
    Exactly. They just don't want to deal with the flack from such a rating so they aren't bothering. This isn't censorship, it's them assessing what's going to happen and realizing it's not worth it.
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  • MyriaMyria Member UncommonPosts: 699
    edited December 2015
    How exactly is 'censorship' involved here?

    If I want to sell a game in China I have to meet a host of requirements and get government approval before I can even think about it. Government doesn't approve of my game, I can't sell it.

    That's censorship.

    Japan has fairly strict laws regarding penetration. If your game depicts sexual penetration without blurring the genitals, the government will not allow it to be sold.

    That's censorship.

    If I want to sell a game in The West that's a poor excuse for borderline child porn a few SJWs, who apparently vie with Derek Smart for hiding places behind every rock, might complain.

    That's not censorship.

    Since when is the free market at work 'censorship'?

    Someone *might* object to their game -- and, let's face it, not entirely without reason -- so they're not going to bother?

    Yeah, bummer, cry me a river.
  • TybostTybost Member UncommonPosts: 629
    Kyleran said:
    Anime is frequently just weird and by no means "art"

  • GeezerGamerGeezerGamer Member EpicPosts: 8,852
    edited December 2015
    OMG! These games aren't going to release in the West?!?!?!?
    How devastating a loss this must be for us!


    Edit:
    Here's another perspective.
    It's less about censorship and more about shitty games not recovering the cost of editing the games for English speaking markets.




    Post edited by GeezerGamer on
  • TenkouseiTenkousei Member UncommonPosts: 114
    Kyleran said:
    Anime is frequently just weird and by no means "art"




    Also, Hayao Miyazaki wants a word with you. Just in case you'd want to discuss the artistic value of japanese animation, here's something to start with: http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0594503/awards.

    Not that i'd expect a biased fool like you to realize the error of your ways, though ...

  • WaterlilyWaterlily Member UncommonPosts: 3,105
    Torval said:
    This is about pictures of children or child-like images and rubbing their breasts and genitals.

    I've been following this thread for a while, and I love how the people against these games end up being the weirdos focusing on the protagonists, finding the games with the youngest characters, equating all anime with porn. It's interesting to say the least.


  • WaterlilyWaterlily Member UncommonPosts: 3,105
    edited December 2015
    Kyleran said:
    Fine with me, appears we'll be better off without games featuring prepubescent girls as the main characters.

    Anime is frequently just weird and by no means "art"


    Good lord. Miyazaki has won an oscar featuring  a prepubescent girl. The movie Spirited Away.
  • EponyxDamorEponyxDamor Member RarePosts: 749
    edited December 2015
    Waterlily said:
    Torval said:
    This is about pictures of children or child-like images and rubbing their breasts and genitals.

    I've been following this thread for a while, and I love how the people against these games end up being the weirdos focusing on the protagonists, finding the games with the youngest characters, equating all anime with porn. It's interesting to say the least.


    Except it was the OP who posted the "pornographic" video, featuring "gameplay" that involves "jerking off" your PSVita and rubbing the breasts of cartoon children, not the "people against these games".

    Torval posted above the original video that the OP linked, and also noted how the OP removed the video since it completely contradicted the basis of the OP's argument. It's obvious the OP didn't even watch the video he posted in the first place, instead they just immediately went into rant mode about censorship. Which, by the way, isn't even the crux of the issue; if you care to actually look into it, it's clearly evident that the publishers don't wish to spend money in order to edit their games to appeal to a broader audience in the West.

    It has absolutely nothing to do with censorship.
    Post edited by EponyxDamor on
  • Torque2484Torque2484 Member UncommonPosts: 50
    Can we please have a Forum Director close this thread already this person named Kiyoris has nothing to provide other than whining about games from east to west not coming out seriously go away you do nothing but whine and whine no one wants to hear it anymore from you we are all sick and tired of you and yes I will post in this thread and no I don't care if you report me I guarantee nothing will happen to me because I posted on one more of you threads about you whining about something.

      This also is your second one you have started in the past week or so the first one I have read through and it's you complaining about how BDO is P2W you have nothing to offer to this community other than whining again and not listening to anyone else's opinions other than you own so please leave and never come back to these threads whining like you do.
  • FlyByKnightFlyByKnight Member EpicPosts: 3,967
    Hentai Pedophile Fapper Squad:

    "I don't see the difference between cartooned sexualization of underage kids and a historical sculpture with nudity"

    *proceeds to blame SJW and censorship and make references to other things kids may or may not see*

    Next thing you know the same creep is being asked "do you know who I am?" by Chris Hansen.

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  • Xeno.phonXeno.phon Member UncommonPosts: 350
    edited December 2015
    Kyleran said:
    Fine with me, appears we'll be better off without games featuring prepubescent girls as the main characters.

    Anime is frequently just weird and by no means "art"


    Lol did you forget to take your lithium today? Anime is intl recognized as a form of art, consider yourself educated.

    Also this is more about cultural difference and how extremist muricans are when faced with any other culture than thier own.
  • WaterlilyWaterlily Member UncommonPosts: 3,105

    Hentai Pedophile Fapper Squad:

    "I don't see the difference between cartooned sexualization of underage kids and a historical sculpture with nudity"

    *proceeds to blame SJW and censorship and make references to other things kids may or may not see*

    Next thing you know the same creep is being asked "do you know who I am?" by Chris Hansen.

    Better hide under your blanket, someone is going to come arrest you if you watch too much evil anime and play too many evil games.
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