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  • MrMelGibsonMrMelGibson Member EpicPosts: 3,025
    edited November 2015
    Nope, you definitely have no axe to grind with SC lol.  
  • BrenicsBrenics Member RarePosts: 1,939
    Nope, you definitely have no axe to grind with SC lol.  
    Not like I tried to hide it. Yes I agree with DS. What pushed me over to his side was all the attacks coming at him from every side. If CR was doing everything right with SC I couldn't see why the heck would all these people try and shut DS up? If there really is a game and even if some ex and current employees said they only have like 8m left why isn't there a game coming down the pipe to beta. 

    Weird part there are so many reasonable questions of why CR has been doing what he has than why is DS going after this game. I also don't believe he is doing it out of jealousy like some of these attackers say because of his past games. That makes absolutely no sense at all. So yeah if you look at SC with an open mind it sure does seem like something is fishy. 

    Then throw in today and I still do not see a game, I do see a crashing Alpha 2.0 but am sure a lot of people will say it is right where it should be. So here we are, two sides with different view points. Fun isn't it. Plus all this will do is either make crowdfunding greater or fall big time, right now am on the fail side. Which is exactly what this is all about. 

    Oh and why would CR only pay less than 20 minutes at the end of over 3 hour stream on Alpha 2.0? The rest of the show was really about selling pictures of ships. 
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  • RealizerRealizer Member RarePosts: 724
    edited November 2015
    Brenics said:
    Nope, you definitely have no axe to grind with SC lol.  
    Not like I tried to hide it. Yes I agree with DS. What pushed me over to his side was all the attacks coming at him from every side. If CR was doing everything right with SC I couldn't see why the heck would all these people try and shut DS up? If there really is a game and even if some ex and current employees said they only have like 8m left why isn't there a game coming down the pipe to beta. 

    Weird part there are so many reasonable questions of why CR has been doing what he has than why is DS going after this game. I also don't believe he is doing it out of jealousy like some of these attackers say because of his past games. That makes absolutely no sense at all. So yeah if you look at SC with an open mind it sure does seem like something is fishy. 

    Then throw in today and I still do not see a game, I do see a crashing Alpha 2.0 but am sure a lot of people will say it is right where it should be. So here we are, two sides with different view points. Fun isn't it. Plus all this will do is either make crowdfunding greater or fall big time, right now am on the fail side. Which is exactly what this is all about. 

    Oh and why would CR only pay less than 20 minutes at the end of over 3 hour stream on Alpha 2.0? The rest of the show was really about selling pictures of ships. 
     Just because people attack a person who blatantly bring it upon themselves, and even encourages it on his social media. Doesn't mean that person is right. If this is your first experience with Dsmart you may think the things people say about him are a little extreme. I'd say the man has everything people say about him coming his way deservedly. 

     He has called the players who have paid him for his games scumbags and retards because they called him out on the bugs and non working features. He has a game on steam in early access that he says is a complete game and still won't officially launch it. Because he knows people would request refunds.  He bans anyone who speaks the truth about his products. 

     Dsmart has also practically been Chris Roberts direct competitive rival since the late 80's. They are both UK Space Sim devs from the same era of gaming, albeit Roberts products were always much more fleshed out and playable when launched. The guy is simply trying to promote his LoD game which uses an engine from the 90's. This is his last hurrah as it were, he openly admits on planning to retire after SC launches. 

     Also he has a history of hostile take overs, as seen with Alganon Online where he pushed David Allen out of his own game company, by convincing shareholders that he could do it cheaper. He then continued to dismantle the game and burn all of it's promise to the ground. He also walked away with a nice sum of money, that he wouldn't have had otherwise.
  • waynejr2waynejr2 Member EpicPosts: 7,768
    Brenics said:
    Looks like they may owe more than they have?

    https://beta.companieshouse.gov.uk/company/08703814/filing-history

    1 down how many to go?
    when you are a hammer every problem looks like a nail

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  • BrenicsBrenics Member RarePosts: 1,939
    Realizer said:
    Brenics said:
    Nope, you definitely have no axe to grind with SC lol.  
    Not like I tried to hide it. Yes I agree with DS. What pushed me over to his side was all the attacks coming at him from every side. If CR was doing everything right with SC I couldn't see why the heck would all these people try and shut DS up? If there really is a game and even if some ex and current employees said they only have like 8m left why isn't there a game coming down the pipe to beta. 

    Weird part there are so many reasonable questions of why CR has been doing what he has than why is DS going after this game. I also don't believe he is doing it out of jealousy like some of these attackers say because of his past games. That makes absolutely no sense at all. So yeah if you look at SC with an open mind it sure does seem like something is fishy. 

    Then throw in today and I still do not see a game, I do see a crashing Alpha 2.0 but am sure a lot of people will say it is right where it should be. So here we are, two sides with different view points. Fun isn't it. Plus all this will do is either make crowdfunding greater or fall big time, right now am on the fail side. Which is exactly what this is all about. 

    Oh and why would CR only pay less than 20 minutes at the end of over 3 hour stream on Alpha 2.0? The rest of the show was really about selling pictures of ships. 
     Just because people attack a person who blatantly bring it upon themselves, and even encourages it on his social media. Doesn't mean that person is right. If this is your first experience with Dsmart you may think the things people say about him are a little extreme. I'd say the man has everything people say about him coming his way deservedly. 

     He has called the players who have paid him for his games scumbags and retards because they called him out on the bugs and non working features. He has a game on steam in early access that he says is a complete game and still won't officially launch it. Because he knows people would request refunds.  He bans anyone who speaks the truth about his products. 

     Dsmart has also practically been Chris Roberts direct competitive rival since the late 80's. They are both UK Space Sim devs from the same era of gaming, albeit Roberts products were always much more fleshed out and playable when launched. The guy is simply trying to promote his LoD game which uses an engine from the 90's. This is his last hurrah as it were, he openly admits on planning to retire after SC launches. 

     Also he has a history of hostile take overs, as seen with Alganon Online where he pushed David Allen out of his own game company, by convincing shareholders that he could do it cheaper. He then continued to dismantle the game and burn all of it's promise to the ground. He also walked away with a nice sum of money, that he wouldn't have had otherwise.
    I was around when Alganon was being made and knew Allen from the AC2 forums. So I know the whole story and it's over and done with. I only said I took DS side on this issue, and because of his past I can't ignore everything going on with SC and crowd funding. Like I said if you go in with an open mind and look at what is going on now it has nothing to do with the past.

    If CR pulls this off and does end up having a game that plays like he says and gets it to a release then I will admit I was wrong. But as of now there is something that just doesn't seem right and it does look like a scam with only pictures of space ships are being sold. After CR was already given more than he asked for to make the game.

    Hell I bet if we look into everyone's past you will find some BS we could throw at them but really does that cover up the facts we have now with SC? I understand you will just throw more dirt this way on why am wrong and I can accept. What ever argument you throw at me won't change my mind on how SC is being developed or should I say not being developed! After all isn't this what we are actually talking about. not two people's pasts? 
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    Star Citizen – The Extinction Level Event


    4/13/15 > ELE has been updated look for 16-04-13.

    http://www.dereksmart.org/2016/04/star-citizen-the-ele/

    Enjoy and know the truth always comes to light!

  • ErillionErillion Member EpicPosts: 10,235
    Realizer said:

     Also he has a history of hostile take overs, as seen with Alganon Online where he pushed David Allen out of his own game company, by convincing shareholders that he could do it cheaper. He then continued to dismantle the game and burn all of it's promise to the ground. He also walked away with a nice sum of money, that he wouldn't have had otherwise.
    And he is trying it again with Star Citizen, as you can see from his twitter feed quotes, where he tries to convince SC backers to dispose of the current project leadership:

    "ONLY way that this project succeeds, is if Chris, Sandi, Ortwin were ejected & the game scaled back to "vision 1.0". There is NO other way"

    And THAT is his real motivation in my opinion. Another game to take over and scavenge for developer tools and game engines.

    Sounds to me like The Smarty  is getting a bit desperate now, as the game "that can never be made" just was opened to the first 1000 playtesters in the Alpha version of the mini-PTU and will soon be available to the rest of the backers.


    Have fun
  • ArillixArillix Member UncommonPosts: 88
    @Erillion,

    Agreed, I had a feeling that's what he was really up to.

    Well here is the reality posted only an hour ago on youtube.






  • CryptorCryptor Member UncommonPosts: 523
    SC is imho a scam and got my money back.

    Any company that crowd funds and then buys $20,000 espresso machines for their offices, or hires completely incompetent person as HR just 'couse she's married to the big cheese, spends millions of dollars for trailers and presentations - that is not a place i can give any money and still be able to look myself in the mirror.

  • filmoretfilmoret Member EpicPosts: 4,906
    Arillix said:
    @Erillion,

    Agreed, I had a feeling that's what he was really up to.

    Well here is the reality posted only an hour ago on youtube.






    have to admit this looks pretty cool.  YOINK  lol
    Are you onto something or just on something?
  • MrSnufflesMrSnuffles Member UncommonPosts: 1,117
    MrSyn said:
    Funny how people think this game is ever going to have money troubles... even if the crowdfunding funds do dry up, im sure a lot of publishers and investors have been making them offers to try and get in on it.

    Recently it took Shenmue 3 only 2mil to to raise and show interest for Sony to back the development... this game has raised 90mil... you can bet those greedy big publishers and investors want a piece of this.
    Unfortunately no publisher will want to have anything to do with this game. All the money pouring into this is no profit for the publisher and they already owe all these people a game so those are ZERO sales for the publisher.

    As a publisher you don't invest into a company that already sold the majority of their games and DLC/Digital items. The prospect of more sales when the game already hit almost $100 million and 1 million copies sold is minimal at best, especially for a niche game like SC.
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    "It's pretty simple, really. If your only intention in posting about a particular game or topic is to be negative, then yes, you should probably move on. Voicing a negative opinion is fine, continually doing so on the same game is basically just trolling."
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  • MrSnufflesMrSnuffles Member UncommonPosts: 1,117

    Xeno.phon said:
    Brenics said:
    Amazing how news is now trolling. You guys are funny. Let's wait till next company involved with SC hits. 
    Its not news, its proof you have no concept of how companies operate, that is all.
    So you know how they operate? Please share your insight and wisdom with the rest of us.

    Thank you.
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    "It's pretty simple, really. If your only intention in posting about a particular game or topic is to be negative, then yes, you should probably move on. Voicing a negative opinion is fine, continually doing so on the same game is basically just trolling."
    - Michael Bitton
    Community Manager, MMORPG.com

    "As an online discussion about Star Citizen grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Derek Smart approaches 1" - MrSnuffles's law

    "I am jumping in here a bit without knowing exactly what you all or talking about." 
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  • CrazKanukCrazKanuk Member EpicPosts: 6,130
    Brenics said:
    Looks like they may owe more than they have?

    https://beta.companieshouse.gov.uk/company/08703814/filing-history

    1 down how many to go?

    Lol, you asked in another post why they would have 15 companies. Then you feel like this is some magic bullet? You do understand that Foundry 42 doesn't represent the income of CIG, right? This is one of those reasons that they have 15 companies. Also, I'd give you more of an argument, but I'm not exactly sure what the context of your claim is, so I really can't. 

    Crazkanuk

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  • thunderclesthundercles Member UncommonPosts: 510
    Hey guys, hating on fallout 4 is what's cool now. Just FYI.
  • ErillionErillion Member EpicPosts: 10,235
    CrazKanuk said:
    Brenics said:
    Looks like they may owe more than they have?

    https://beta.companieshouse.gov.uk/company/08703814/filing-history

    1 down how many to go?

    Lol, you asked in another post why they would have 15 companies. Then you feel like this is some magic bullet? You do understand that Foundry 42 doesn't represent the income of CIG, right? This is one of those reasons that they have 15 companies. Also, I'd give you more of an argument, but I'm not exactly sure what the context of your claim is, so I really can't. 
    @CrazKanuk 

    you already told @Brenics ; in another thread to check the article

    "Reasons Companies Have Subsidiaries"

    on this website 
    http://smallbusiness.chron.com/reasons-companies-subsidiaries-81965.html

    Looks like he still has not read it. Thank you again for that link. Very interesting. Especially this part:

    "Reporting and Disclosure Issues

    The parent company can choose which areas of its business should be public and which should be private. Not all business operations are suitable for public investment and disclosure requirements. For example, support functions are hard to quantify, so investors may not get excited enough to buy stock. The company may also want to avoid Securities and Exchange Commission reporting for certain segments of the business, especially when starting a new product line. Keeping these activities in a privately held subsidiary makes it more difficult for competitors to uncover information you are not ready to release yet."


    Have fun


  • ErillionErillion Member EpicPosts: 10,235
    Hey guys, hating on fallout 4 is what's cool now. Just FYI.
    We are good, thank you.

    Plenty of established haters here already. You cannot teach an old dog new tricks.


    Have fun
  • BrenicsBrenics Member RarePosts: 1,939
    LOL I really do find it funny how you guys think it is just normal to spend all this money to open all these companies around the world. Then you also think after this long have some crash bug infested alpha 2.0 worth close to 90m and have to sell ships to keep the company going.

    Yet am the stupid one? ROFL! Sorry but this is just way to weird to not laugh at all of you. I bet you guys are reasonable in other areas but for some reason when it comes to CR and SC it is like the blinders go on and you can only see Roberts as your savior. 

    Did any of you notice how nervous Roberts and the rest of the people were during that 3+ hour ship's on sale live chat yesterday? 
    I'm not perfect but I'm always myself!

    Star Citizen – The Extinction Level Event


    4/13/15 > ELE has been updated look for 16-04-13.

    http://www.dereksmart.org/2016/04/star-citizen-the-ele/

    Enjoy and know the truth always comes to light!

  • ErillionErillion Member EpicPosts: 10,235
    Brenics said:
    Did any of you notice how nervous Roberts and the rest of the people were during that 3+ hour ship's on sale live chat yesterday? 
    Just like 3 years ago during the Kickstarter campaign livestream  - its a tradition already since 2012. :-)


    Have fun
  • BrenicsBrenics Member RarePosts: 1,939
    Erillion said:
    Brenics said:
    Did any of you notice how nervous Roberts and the rest of the people were during that 3+ hour ship's on sale live chat yesterday? 
    Just like 3 years ago during the Kickstarter campaign livestream  - its a tradition already since 2012. :-)


    Have fun
    You really need to go take a class in body language and then watch Roberts during these little live events he has. It may open your eyes. 
    I'm not perfect but I'm always myself!

    Star Citizen – The Extinction Level Event


    4/13/15 > ELE has been updated look for 16-04-13.

    http://www.dereksmart.org/2016/04/star-citizen-the-ele/

    Enjoy and know the truth always comes to light!

  • ErillionErillion Member EpicPosts: 10,235
    Brenics said:
    You really need to go take a class in body language and then watch Roberts during these little live events he has. It may open your eyes. 
    Have.

    Did.

    Has not.


    Have fun
  • TalulaRoseTalulaRose Member RarePosts: 1,247
    Is was interesting watching Chris tell his brother his opinion. There was obviously 2 opinions on where things are but Chris made sure his brother towed the line.
  • BrenicsBrenics Member RarePosts: 1,939
    Erillion said:
    Brenics said:
    You really need to go take a class in body language and then watch Roberts during these little live events he has. It may open your eyes. 
    Have.

    Did.

    Has not.


    Have fun
    LOL now I can never take you seriously again. it sure seems like no matter what is said you already did that, done that, seen that, you are the ALL KNOWING GOD! 

    You realize i still believe you are CR right? You actually talk exactly like he does. :-D
    I'm not perfect but I'm always myself!

    Star Citizen – The Extinction Level Event


    4/13/15 > ELE has been updated look for 16-04-13.

    http://www.dereksmart.org/2016/04/star-citizen-the-ele/

    Enjoy and know the truth always comes to light!

  • GeezerGamerGeezerGamer Member EpicPosts: 8,830
    MrSyn said:
    Funny how people think this game is ever going to have money troubles... even if the crowdfunding funds do dry up, im sure a lot of publishers and investors have been making them offers to try and get in on it.

    Recently it took Shenmue 3 only 2mil to to raise and show interest for Sony to back the development... this game has raised 90mil... you can bet those greedy big publishers and investors want a piece of this.
    Unfortunately no publisher will want to have anything to do with this game. All the money pouring into this is no profit for the publisher and they already owe all these people a game so those are ZERO sales for the publisher.

    As a publisher you don't invest into a company that already sold the majority of their games and DLC/Digital items. The prospect of more sales when the game already hit almost $100 million and 1 million copies sold is minimal at best, especially for a niche game like SC.
    This is really a key factor. People seem to think that once this game releases, CIG can start selling it and start making money on the finished product........What they aren't considering is that CIG already sold those copies.....They now owe 90M in finished product that they will not be able to collect on after (and assuming) this game actually releases.


  • ErillionErillion Member EpicPosts: 10,235
    edited November 2015
    Brenics said:
    LOL now I can never take you seriously again. it sure seems like no matter what is said you already did that, done that, seen that, you are the ALL KNOWING GOD! 

    You realize i still believe you are CR right? You actually talk exactly like he does. :-D
    I am in project management.  Reading body language (and having learned that) is a skill of the trade. And i had time to learn a few of those skills :-)

    ***** i still believe you are CR  *****

    You do ? You REALLY do ?

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    Good one !   ;-)



    Have fun


    PS: 
    according to @Brenics ; Chris Roberts has mastered the skill of posting to mmorpg.com while giving a presentation live in front of thousands of visitors. Twice.

  • CrazKanukCrazKanuk Member EpicPosts: 6,130
    MrSyn said:
    Funny how people think this game is ever going to have money troubles... even if the crowdfunding funds do dry up, im sure a lot of publishers and investors have been making them offers to try and get in on it.

    Recently it took Shenmue 3 only 2mil to to raise and show interest for Sony to back the development... this game has raised 90mil... you can bet those greedy big publishers and investors want a piece of this.
    Unfortunately no publisher will want to have anything to do with this game. All the money pouring into this is no profit for the publisher and they already owe all these people a game so those are ZERO sales for the publisher.

    As a publisher you don't invest into a company that already sold the majority of their games and DLC/Digital items. The prospect of more sales when the game already hit almost $100 million and 1 million copies sold is minimal at best, especially for a niche game like SC.
    This is really a key factor. People seem to think that once this game releases, CIG can start selling it and start making money on the finished product........What they aren't considering is that CIG already sold those copies.....They now owe 90M in finished product that they will not be able to collect on after (and assuming) this game actually releases.



    I definitely think that the upside to SC is more limited than the majority of games out there, but there is plenty of evidence that KS/crowdfunding represents a fraction of the release sell-trhough. For instance, PoE, Wasteland 2, ED, and some others listed on Steam show a sell through of ten times their number of crowdfunding backers. That being said, those mentioned above are retail games, SC is F2P with a ship market that's been shown to be quite lucrative already. There's plenty of monetization opportunity remaining, even for the existing fan base. So there's probably more upside than you're giving it credit for. 

    Crazkanuk

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  • ErillionErillion Member EpicPosts: 10,235
    This is really a key factor. People seem to think that once this game releases, CIG can start selling it and start making money on the finished product........What they aren't considering is that CIG already sold those copies.....They now owe 90M in finished product that they will not be able to collect on after (and assuming) this game actually releases.
    An immediate extra source of cash would be Episode 3 of Squadron 42. Episode 1 and 2 are free for (most) backers, but Episode 3 will have to be bought.


    Have fun
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