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Building a new computer questions from a noob

flguy147flguy147 Member UncommonPosts: 507
Hey everybody,  a year ago i sold my gaming laptop which i have been a pc gamer for many years but decided to slow down on MMOs due to having a new daughter and decided just to get a PS4 to play more casually.  I really miss playing on a PC/laptop especially the graphics are so much better but i have always wanted to build my own desktop but i have zero knowledge on how to build one and afraid i would mess it all up with my very limited computer knowlege.  So a couple questions?

1.  If i decided to go with a nvidia 980 or maybe 970 for now, what price point would i be looking at to build a solid gaming rig with everything included?

2.  I have heard in the past that its not good to hook up your PC to your TV to use as a monitor but i would actually prefer to do this.  I normally play at night before going bed so i enjoy the comfort of it.  So is this an ok idea now or is it still not a good idea?  Assuming something technology in the past made it not recommended.

3.  Are most PC games able to use controllers?  of course some i would prefer the mouse and keyboard but some controller. 

4.  How hard would it honestly be for somebody with such limited computer knowledge to build one and get everything working correctly?  

Thanks for your help

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  • Slapshot1188Slapshot1188 Member LegendaryPosts: 16,947
    edited November 2015
    Hey.  I'll let someone else take a stab at #1 because there is a lot more to the price than just the video card.  You can build a $1000 machine with either or a $3000 machine with either :-1: 

    2. You CAN play on a TV.. biggest drawback for me would be response time. gaming Monitors are very fast but TVs usually not so much.  Would cause blurring.. but maybe the newest models address that

    3. Most games will let you change your input devices but since they aren't DESIGNED for a game controller it could be awkward.  Depends on the game and the UI

    4. Pretty easy. Biggest issue would be applying thermal paste on the CPU and heatsink but you can watch a video before you do it.


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  • QuizzicalQuizzical Member LegendaryPosts: 25,347
    1.  I'd decide on a budget first, and the video card last.  If by "everything included", you mean you need new peripherals (monitor, keyboard, mouse, etc.), too, you could readily justify anywhere from about $700 (which will get you integrated graphics) to a little over $2000, apart from unusual needs.  If you're intending to use a TV that you already have as a monitor, you can drop those numbers to maybe $500-$1500.

    2.  Computer monitors are built for low display latency, while televisions often aren't.  If a TV systematically delays displaying the incoming signal by 100 ms, that's irrelevant to watching television, but a huge problem for games.  It's not likely to be as high as 100 ms latency on a TV, but it's probably going to be higher than a monitor.

    3.  You could play just about any game with a gamepad.  But many games are very awkward to the extent that you wouldn't want to.  Anything relying heavily on clicking quickly and precisely with a mouse is going to be very rough.  Anything more keyboard-friendly will probably be fine, as you can get software to map gamepad buttons to keyboard keys.  You'll need combinations of buttons for a lot of games.  I personally use a gamepad for most thing, but grab a mouse to navigate menus sometimes.

    4.  Can you figure out how to put a round peg in a round hole and a square peg in a square hole, as opposed to the other way around?  Most things in a computer have different shapes for different connectors, so you really can't screw it up unless you try to force something where it doesn't fit.  You may neglect to plug something in, in which case, the computer doesn't turn on until you fix it, but that doesn't damage anything.

    You'll also need to be able to handle a screwdriver.  There are physical impairments that would prevent some people from properly assembling a computer (e.g., blindness, missing a hand, etc.), but most people could do it fine.

    The harder part if you want to do everything on your own is knowing what parts to buy.  But you can get help with that here.  Given a budget, I could pick out reasonable parts for you.
  • GladDogGladDog Member RarePosts: 1,097
    1) The GeForce 970 Ti is plenty fast.  The 980 Ti is too much money.  Save the difference and use it to buy a new card in 3 years that will be light years faster than the 980.

    2) I am sitting at my desk using an LED TV as a monitor as we speak.  My backup gaming computer is hooked to the big screen LED in the living room - I also use it as my cable box.  Modern flat screen TVs make excellent monitors.  Make sure your TV is 1080p so you get the most out of your games!

    3) XBox controllers (all types) are plug and play with Win7 or newer.  I am pretty sure Playstation controllers work too, although you may need to download drivers to make them work properly.

    4) When you are ready to start, get a laptop with a webcam and cam with a friend that has built computers before.  They can walk you through all the steps, and if they can see what you are doing, they can help you avoid common errors.  My first computer build took 2 1/2 hours, mostly because I was sweating from anxiety so much I kept having beads of sweat fall on the motherboard!  Now I can build a computer in under a half hour while talking with my sister and watching a TV show.  Yes, I have done that!


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  • GladDogGladDog Member RarePosts: 1,097
    Additional advice;

    If you are going to run Win10, then I would suggest getting an AMD A-10 CPU.  It has a very powerful GPU built on, and that 970 TI will work with the onboard video with any games that are taking advantage of DX12, which should be just about all games released in 2016 or later.  Video is much more important than your CPU for gaming, so take advantage of that good built on video.

    Also, invest in an SSD.  Those make a HUGE difference with games, since the swap file is operating at memory speed.  When I was playing DC Universe, I added an SSD and was pleasantly surprised to find out that I could advance my graphics settings from 2nd highest to highest, and the only change I made was the SSD.


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  • flguy147flguy147 Member UncommonPosts: 507
    Thanks for the responses.  Yeah i guess my budget may would be 900 or so.  But that doesnt include monitor, keyboard or mouse, i still have my old logitech MMO mouse.   Have an A40 headset right now too.   So may would just need a keyboard and maybe monitor.  My TV is only a year old so it may would be ok but would need to check the specs on it.
  • BoltonsquadBoltonsquad Member UncommonPosts: 403
    I play on a 55" TV unless your playing FPS games there's no issues with the latency. I personally don't play FPS so it doesn't effect me at all.
  • GladDogGladDog Member RarePosts: 1,097
    flguy147 said:
    Thanks for the responses.  Yeah i guess my budget may would be 900 or so.  But that doesnt include monitor, keyboard or mouse, i still have my old logitech MMO mouse.   Have an A40 headset right now too.   So may would just need a keyboard and maybe monitor.  My TV is only a year old so it may would be ok but would need to check the specs on it.
    Your TV will be fine.  Unless you are a pro gamer the 1-2 msec difference between a monitor and a TV is nothing.  In fact if you have a plasma screen, the TV is actually faster than a monitor!  Just make sure your TV is 1080p, and if its only a year old and bigger than 37" I bet it is.

    Go down to best buy and put your hands on the keyboards to see which ones you like best.  I prefer ergonomic 'wave' keyboards myself, I would never buy anything but.  Logitech and Microsoft both make top notch boards, I'm using a Microsoft ergonomic 4000 wired one right now.


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  • ReaperUkReaperUk Member UncommonPosts: 758
    Just to add to what other people have been saying, I agree a 1080p TV will be fine for gaming with a GTX 970 0r 980. I've been using a 40 inch 1080p TV as my desktop monitor for the past four years, initially with an ATI 5870 graphics card.

    However, having built a new PC with a GTX 970 last winter, I decided a few weeks ago to make use of its UHD capabilities and to swap my 1080p TV for a 48 inch 4K Samsung curved screen TV. I picked the Samsung for its HDMI 2 support and very fast input response times for its price bracket. I'm currently playing Fallout 4 at 3840 x 2160 resolution, 60 Hz refresh rate and the game is set to high detail. That's getting between 30 - 40 FPS which is fine for me. I could switch to 1920 x 1080 at Ultra detail if I wanted and probably get around 60 FPS but I'm happy with it as is.

    So, any 1080p TV should be OK for 1920 x 1080 gaming but if you have a 4K TV, be aware not all of them can be pushed beyond that for ultra high definition gaming. You need to carefully check the specifications. Whichever type of TV you have, make sure the HDMI input you use for connecting the PC is set to "Gaming"
  • WylfWylf Member UncommonPosts: 376
    edited November 2015

    @flguy14

    If you are serious, I suggest you check out  http://pcpartpicker.com/ browse the forums and look over other peoples builds.  There is some very informative info there.

    There are numerous builds based on different budgets, also the moderators have featured guides, also based on various budgets here http://pcpartpicker.com/guide/

    Good luck.

  • QuizzicalQuizzical Member LegendaryPosts: 25,347
    GladDog said:
    Additional advice;

    If you are going to run Win10, then I would suggest getting an AMD A-10 CPU.  It has a very powerful GPU built on, and that 970 TI will work with the onboard video with any games that are taking advantage of DX12, which should be just about all games released in 2016 or later.  Video is much more important than your CPU for gaming, so take advantage of that good built on video.
    No, no, no, no, no.

    Support for mixing such wildly different GPUs is going to be very limited.  Even if it worked flawlessly, having an integrated GPU gobbling up your system memory bandwidth could slow the CPU considerably, to the degree that it on net made games run slower.  And then you'd give up a bunch of CPU performance just because AMD's CPU cores are so much slower than Intel's on a per core basis.
  • GladDogGladDog Member RarePosts: 1,097
    Quizzical said:
    GladDog said:
    Additional advice;

    If you are going to run Win10, then I would suggest getting an AMD A-10 CPU.  It has a very powerful GPU built on, and that 970 TI will work with the onboard video with any games that are taking advantage of DX12, which should be just about all games released in 2016 or later.  Video is much more important than your CPU for gaming, so take advantage of that good built on video.
    No, no, no, no, no.

    Support for mixing such wildly different GPUs is going to be very limited.  Even if it worked flawlessly, having an integrated GPU gobbling up your system memory bandwidth could slow the CPU considerably, to the degree that it on net made games run slower.  And then you'd give up a bunch of CPU performance just because AMD's CPU cores are so much slower than Intel's on a per core basis.
    Have you read anything about DX12?  It uses any and all GPUs on your system with multiple streams per GPU, dramatically improving how well your CPU can process all of that gaming wonderment.  In fact, recent testing shows that mixing video card brands will help your graphics with DX12.

    I am an Intel fan.  I'm running an i5 quad core in my desktop system right now, and my laptop has an i7 quad.  But after reading the test results I see that you can get really great performance increases by mixing two or more GPUs (that are DX11 or better) in a system with a game that supports DX12.  So to get this kind of increases on a low budget, using the A-10 with R7 graphics combined with a GTX970 Ti will be a powerhouse for DX12.

    While CPU performance is important, it is not as important for gaming as GPU performance.  I've seen that plainly over the last 20 or so years of building gaming desktops, over 200 at last count.


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  • RidelynnRidelynn Member EpicPosts: 7,383
    DX12 will use any and all GPUs on your system, if and only if the game is written to support it.
  • MalaboogaMalabooga Member UncommonPosts: 2,977
    Ridelynn said:
    DX12 will use any and all GPUs on your system, if and only if the game is written to support it.
    Youre saying "the way its ment to be played" wont?
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