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Xenoblade developers cave to western feminists. Western version censored.

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  • DMKanoDMKano Member LegendaryPosts: 20,062
    The OPs title is cringworthy.


  • AntiquatedAntiquated Member RarePosts: 1,415
    The poor Panty Fetishists, they're losing ground.
  • tawesstawess Member EpicPosts: 4,056
    edited November 2015
    Aori said:
    Bikini's = Strong sexual content? You're suggesting a bikini is akin to child nudity? "we can't let our children see children in bikini's!" bet that makes swim practice really freaking difficult.

    Bikini's are not going to raise or lower the game rating at least for NA, no matter what it'll be T. As for PEGI which you are referring, the game would be a 16 with bikini's and probably without.
    What part of "sexualization of minors" is it that you have such a hard time understanding.... It does not have to be strong sexual content.. it does not have to be mild sexual content.. It just have to allude to sexual content when it comes to minor in order for it to be deemed either "mature" or outright banned... 

    And while the white-ish outfit can be called a bikini... The black one... Nope.. they is at best "sexy sleepwear".. you know the kind you do not sleep in at all.. So it alludes to.. Sex.. with someone deemed a minor in some places in Europe and the US. 

    A very very touchy subject... So i am pretty sure it was not so much the feminists as their legal advisors who told them to change it. 

    A bikini on it´s own is not impacting the rating.. Agreed... It is how you present it and the context in what it is used that does that. This is why we see so few child collections from Victorias Secrets... Not because of the lack of market per se but because it is a cultural taboo. 

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  • ShaighShaigh Member RarePosts: 1,931
    As far as I know the only outfit they changed was the one on the kid, the outfits for adults were left unchanged.

    If you think its not a kid and instead a completely fictional character that doesn't exist anywhere but your mind I would like you to think of the following. If outfits of suggestive nature has no power because they are on fictional characters then this shouldn't be an issue. If they have power, then the way female kids are shown in games are important.
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  • Pratt2112Pratt2112 Member UncommonPosts: 1,636
    edited November 2015
    SBFord said:
    BigRambo said:
     When people cry more about having naked pixels rather than better game play, is the main reason why games are dumbed down.  Man do I miss the SNES 90's era of gaming. 
    When they start showing male characters in thongs and bikinis, let's talk. Until then, this is the right decision.
    That's a completely disingenuous argument, which has been, and is easily refuted, and I'm sure you know it. 

    But, since you requested it... I found this with less than a minute of Google searching... 

    Appropriately, the image came from a page mocking a very similar argument to the one you just made. And that was just one example that I found. There were plenty others, but I'll leave you to do your own research, if you're at all genuinely interested in having  your facts straight, and not only in parroting lazy and unsupported arguments that are easily debunked.

    Now, here's what I wonder...

    Will you be the rare person who is honest and says "Okay, I stand corrected"?

    Or, will you take the usual route of shifting the goal post, or otherwise dismissing the refuting evidence as "irrelevant... because reasons (ie. it doesn't support my narrative, so I have to ignore it)"?

    And really, all that aside, it should also be noted - but is typically ignored in these "discussions" - that men and women are "sexualized" in very different ways. For women, it's being bosomy and wearing skimpy clothing. For men, it's being shirtless, muscular, with handsome, chiseled features.

    Designers in these games enhance/exaggerate the features that are commonly considered to be "attractive" in their respective gender. It's done with both Male and Female characters. Someone who's outraged at females scantily clad because they're "unrealistic depictions of women", but is perfectly fine with men running around shirtless, with rippling muscles and "handsome hunk" perfect features, is a hypocrite.

    And if my post comes across as notably "harsh", well, consider this quote, and you'll understand why: "In the age of information, ignorance is a choice". With the actual facts so readily and easily available, any time, 24/7, there is no excuse for people to make lazy, demonstrably wrong arguments, such as yours, SBFord.


  • fodell54fodell54 Member RarePosts: 859
    Who gives a shit. Why is this a big deal to anyone? Do you really need to look at half nude female pixels on a video game? I don't think so. The fact that anyone would make a big deal out of this is actually borderline pathetic.
  • tawesstawess Member EpicPosts: 4,056
    Well it is the "sauna-club" mentality... Anything that promotes change is dangerous and will lead to the utter corruption of the pure and innocent. 

    That and the fact that it is a shift in privileges where we men are slowly losing the "god given" right to always be.. well.. right. It will be sorely missed but in the end good things will come out of it. Like a humanity that hates people for who they are and how they act... Not what they are. =P

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  • AoriAori Member EpicPosts: 4,115
    fodell54 said:
    Who gives a shit. Why is this a big deal to anyone? Do you really need to look at half nude female pixels on a video game? I don't think so. The fact that anyone would make a big deal out of this is actually borderline pathetic.
    I've been called pathetic since the 90s for simply being a gamer, this isn't anything new and will survive.
  • tawesstawess Member EpicPosts: 4,056
    Aori said:
    fodell54 said:
    Who gives a shit. Why is this a big deal to anyone? Do you really need to look at half nude female pixels on a video game? I don't think so. The fact that anyone would make a big deal out of this is actually borderline pathetic.
    I've been called pathetic since the 90s for simply being a gamer, this isn't anything new and will survive.

    And still this is not about you... no matter how much you like it to be =P 

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  • VorthanionVorthanion Member RarePosts: 2,628
    Pratt2112 said:
    SBFord said:
    BigRambo said:
     When people cry more about having naked pixels rather than better game play, is the main reason why games are dumbed down.  Man do I miss the SNES 90's era of gaming. 
    When they start showing male characters in thongs and bikinis, let's talk. Until then, this is the right decision.
    That's a completely disingenuous argument, which has been, and is easily refuted, and I'm sure you know it. 

    But, since you requested it... I found this with less than a minute of Google searching... 

    Appropriately, the image came from a page mocking a very similar argument to the one you just made. And that was just one example that I found. There were plenty others, but I'll leave you to do your own research, if you're at all genuinely interested in having  your facts straight, and not only in parroting lazy and unsupported arguments that are easily debunked.

    Now, here's what I wonder...

    Will you be the rare person who is honest and says "Okay, I stand corrected"?

    Or, will you take the usual route of shifting the goal post, or otherwise dismissing the refuting evidence as "irrelevant... because reasons (ie. it doesn't support my narrative, so I have to ignore it)"?

    And really, all that aside, it should also be noted - but is typically ignored in these "discussions" - that men and women are "sexualized" in very different ways. For women, it's being bosomy and wearing skimpy clothing. For men, it's being shirtless, muscular, with handsome, chiseled features.

    Designers in these games enhance/exaggerate the features that are commonly considered to be "attractive" in their respective gender. It's done with both Male and Female characters. Someone who's outraged at females scantily clad because they're "unrealistic depictions of women", but is perfectly fine with men running around shirtless, with rippling muscles and "handsome hunk" perfect features, is a hypocrite.

    And if my post comes across as notably "harsh", well, consider this quote, and you'll understand why: "In the age of information, ignorance is a choice". With the actual facts so readily and easily available, any time, 24/7, there is no excuse for people to make lazy, demonstrably wrong arguments, such as yours, SBFord.



    The common practice of including muscle definition in male characters is hardly similar to the way the female form is enhanced in most games.  Bras and armor fit to bursting on a female chest where every lurid detail and curve can be oggled would be mirrored in male characters having much more definitive detail visible in the crotch area and oversized to boot.  If men being shirtless was actually considered partial nudity, we wouldn't be allowed to take our shirts off in public.

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  • AoriAori Member EpicPosts: 4,115
    tawess said:
    Aori said:
    fodell54 said:
    Who gives a shit. Why is this a big deal to anyone? Do you really need to look at half nude female pixels on a video game? I don't think so. The fact that anyone would make a big deal out of this is actually borderline pathetic.
    I've been called pathetic since the 90s for simply being a gamer, this isn't anything new and will survive.

    And still this is not about you... no matter how much you like it to be =P 
    Not sure what you're getting at. 

    Though lets say this instead, you haven't agreed and keep confronting me on my opinion, so it is in fact about me.
  • lokiboardlokiboard Member UncommonPosts: 229
    Who said the swim practice comment?  All the swim practices I went to, the females were ALL wearing one pieces NOT bikinis...  Bikini bottoms tend to catch water and end up around their ankles when they dive in off the blocs....Tops will re-position  and expose breasts as well.....
  • patlefortpatlefort Member UncommonPosts: 142
    Ratings are ALL about censorship. They happen precisely because people don't think it's censorship but "decency". That's why you get things censored.
  • bingbongbrosbingbongbros Member UncommonPosts: 689
    So changing the game so it doesn't cater to pedophiles is now western feminism? lol

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  • DeserttFoxxDeserttFoxx Member UncommonPosts: 2,400
    edited November 2015
    SBFord said:
    BigRambo said:
     When people cry more about having naked pixels rather than better game play, is the main reason why games are dumbed down.  Man do I miss the SNES 90's era of gaming. 
    When they start showing male characters in thongs and bikinis, let's talk. Until then, this is the right decision.
    yeah lets pretend they dont do the same thing for males in video games.

    Problem is, women are told everywhere they have to be perfect or they are nothing. 

    Do you think men who game all have 12 pack abs and perfect jaws? 

    Look at this dude http://streetfighter.wikia.com/wiki/Urien he is completely naked with a thong on.

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  • tawesstawess Member EpicPosts: 4,056
    edited November 2015
    Aori said:
    tawess said:
    Aori said:
    fodell54 said:
    Who gives a shit. Why is this a big deal to anyone? Do you really need to look at half nude female pixels on a video game? I don't think so. The fact that anyone would make a big deal out of this is actually borderline pathetic.
    I've been called pathetic since the 90s for simply being a gamer, this isn't anything new and will survive.

    And still this is not about you... no matter how much you like it to be =P 
    1:Not sure what you're getting at. 

    2:Though lets say this instead, you haven't agreed and keep confronting me on my opinion, so it is in fact about me.
    1: Well... It i not important. 
    2: And your opinions are of course yours to have any way you want... But that does not equal me challenging you on them as making things about you... Rather it is about any potential ripple effect your opinions can have. 

    Any way.... This is a utterly silly war to fight... I guess if someone want to take a stand over government sanctioned (and UN backed) moderation but being upset over this... that is their right as free human beings... But i fail to see what it will achive apart from agitating the very people you like to have on your side once some actuall censorship rears it´s ugly face. 


    Edit: Also while it is good that we can find a handful of games where there are sexualized male characters.... I dare you to find more than a handful that have female characters that are not.. =) 

    But i agree... There is a very unhealthy body ideal portrayed by MANY male characters too. That needs to be worked on too. That and the very poor representation of anything but the hetronorm/mononorm.... The world is way to interesting of a place to just stick with the "norms" 

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  • CalmOceansCalmOceans Member UncommonPosts: 2,437
    i am NOT OK if they censor a particular region for ANY reason. While the picture on the left looks better suited for combat than the picture on the right, i would not pay a single dollar for that game for the simple fact that they are censoring it and i will never support censorship.
    I'm not ok with this either. I always preferred Sega games, because Nintendo's version was always the version where anything that could possibly offend a poor helpless Westerner, would get censored out. Sega didn't care, they rarely censored anything.
  • CalmOceansCalmOceans Member UncommonPosts: 2,437
    tawess said:

    That and the fact that it is a shift in privileges where we men are slowly losing the "god given" right to always be.. well.. right. It will be sorely missed but in the end good things will come out of it.

    Nothing good has come out of this 2nd wave feminism.

    Feminism has much to answer for denigrating men and encouraging women to seek independence whatever the cost to their families.
  • IselinIselin Member LegendaryPosts: 12,112

    Nothing good has come out of this 2nd wave feminism.

    Feminism has much to answer for denigrating men and encouraging women to seek independence whatever the cost to their families.
    I find it amazing that blatantly political misogynist propaganda is spouted willy-nilly in gaming forums these days. It's like GG has given license for all the wackos to come out of their hateful closets.
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  • SovrathSovrath Member LegendaryPosts: 26,076
    edited November 2015
    Kiyoris said:
    Torval said:
    However, I don't want to see that used as a justification for promoting the practice. I don't want to see men or women objectified. I especially when it adds absolutely nothing to the story or gameplay.
    I hate people calling for more naked men or women, for their own sake.

    For me the art direction is sacred, and should not be tampered with.

    It has nothing to do with having more or less nakedness.

    It is about freedom of expression and artistic license developers should have, that should be sacred.

    I disagree with people completely who say "there should be more men or women naked or less".

    What I don't want, is people, often women groups, (sorry but I'm going to call a spade a spade, it is almost always SJW / feminists) trying to censor games.

    It is even more ridiculous, that the people trying to censor games, are often not even gamers, or don't even play the games they want censored.
    I think you have a rather romantic view of freedom of expression.

    These aren't individual paintings/sculptures that have been censored by the government. The artists were hired to make game assets. The company desired a certain rating and they changed them.

    believe it or not, Art has been a business way longer than video games have been in existence. You dont' think various paintings, sculptures, literature have been altered to adhere to/take advantage of business concerns?

    Heck, my great grandfather was a professional sculptor and worked in marble and he didn't just get out a giant block and start "creating". He was hired to do a job and he did the job based upon the specifications given. 

    You need to get it straight that some art is about expression and some art is about the business of art. Sounds to me like you are defending something that really doesn't need defending. When they start censoring literature or removing art exhibits because they are scandalous then "sure" come out swinging. But these companies are in the business of making games and if they choose to alter their assets so that their games can be played by more people then they'll do that. If making their characters more scantily clad would accomplish the same thing then I'm sure they would do that as well.





  • gearchin13gearchin13 Member UncommonPosts: 44
    Kiyoris said:

    Xenoblade Chronicles X – Lin’s outfits changed in the west.

    http://wiiudaily.com/2015/10/xenoblade-chronicles-x-censored-in-west/ 

    Back when Xenoblade Chronicles X released in Japan, one of the talking points for the game was how skimpy some of the costumes were for Lin, one of the party members in the game. Wearing what amounts to a thong bikini most of the time, it appears as though her outfits have been censored in the EU and most likely the USA versions of the game. Check out the quick comparison below.

    The more-revealing outfits are from the Japanese version. The ones with less skin exposed are from the European (and presumably North American) version.





    good thing they gave her better outerwear, she is 13 in the game, different cultures doesn't excuse over-sexual depiction of minors.
  • moosecatlolmoosecatlol Member UncommonPosts: 1,464
    SBFord said:
    BigRambo said:
     When people cry more about having naked pixels rather than better game play, is the main reason why games are dumbed down.  Man do I miss the SNES 90's era of gaming. 
    When they start showing male characters in thongs and bikinis, let's talk. Until then, this is the right decision.
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  • CalmOceansCalmOceans Member UncommonPosts: 2,437
    edited November 2015
    Iselin said:


    Feminism has much to answer for denigrating men and encouraging women to seek independence whatever the cost to their families.
    I find it amazing that blatantly political misogynist propaganda is spouted willy-nilly in gaming forums these days. It's like GG has given license for all the wackos to come out of their hateful closets.
    It's actually a quote from a conservative woman, just like me. I grew up in a conservative family, I like my partner, we love our children, and we believe, those are the core values of a society. Not new age feminism that creates division between the sexes. Other women tell me, that my way of life, taking care of children, and choosing to take care of my family and husband, creates "patriarchy" and is wrong. I feel people should be able to choose, do and live how they like.
  • LoktofeitLoktofeit Member RarePosts: 14,247
    Iselin said:
    Nothing good has come out of this 2nd wave feminism.

    Feminism has much to answer for denigrating men and encouraging women to seek independence whatever the cost to their families.
    I find it amazing that blatantly political misogynist propaganda is spouted willy-nilly in gaming forums these days. It's like GG has given license for all the wackos to come out of their hateful closets.
    Whoa, dude... unlike you, they didn't attack or insult anyone. They simply said they felt nothing good has come from this wave of feminism - not "all feminists" or "all feminism" - just this wave of it. 

    So, take a breather, consider the source, and calm down. In all the time posting here, have you EVER seen Calm be the type of person you described? Of course not, so why go against logic and your own experience with the person to lash out in such a vitriolic manner? 

    Take it easy. We're all on the same team in more ways than you realize. :) 

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  • alkarionlogalkarionlog Member RarePosts: 2,242
    edited November 2015
    SBFord said:
    BigRambo said:
     When people cry more about having naked pixels rather than better game play, is the main reason why games are dumbed down.  Man do I miss the SNES 90's era of gaming. 
    When they start showing male characters in thongs and bikinis, let's talk. Until then, this is the right decision.


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    ok lets talk
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