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Xenoblade developers cave to western feminists. Western version censored.

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  • KiyorisKiyoris Member RarePosts: 2,130
    edited November 2015
    tawess said:
    exploitation of minors

    soft-core kink
    what the hell are you talking about?

    you see that picture as soft core porn!?
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  • patlefortpatlefort Member UncommonPosts: 141
    Yes who care about sensors let's just cave in and sensor to everyone' sensibilities. That's going to work very well with an industry already starving for creativity. /s
  • AoriAori Member EpicPosts: 4,055
    tawess said:
    Kiyoris said:
    Any censorship, not mandated by authorities, that seeks to limit freedom of expression by developers, goes too far.
    Good thing this is probably mandated by the authorities then... =) 

    YOu see most of the western cultural sphere are sort of touchy about the exploitation of minors... Be it real or not... To the degree of having laws against what can and can not be depicted. ´Context ofc is key... Nobody would bat an eyelid over a random 14-year old in a bikini as part of a general beach scene. That same 14- year old in what can best be described as a soft-core kink outfit in a action game.... A tad bit more difficult to explain away.... 

    But by all means... Feel offended all you like. =)
    15-16 is legal age of consent in half the western world. 

    Anyways, how do you exploit a virtual character? She or he isn't real. How do you explain life or death violence among children characters in a game? 

    This is hypocrisy pure and simple. I don't like what you like and won't be satisfied until you like what I like mentality.
  • tawesstawess Member EpicPosts: 4,022
    Kiyoris said:
    tawess said:
    exploitation of minors

    soft-core kink
    what the hell are you talking about?

    you see that picture as soft core porn!?

    Did i say porn... No i did not... You did on the other hand... So i let that stand for you. 

    Most places in the "west" draw the line for minors WAAAAAAAY before porn... 

    It is absolutely soft-core kink gear... trust me... i hang around in that scene... Look at the second pic.. the black outfit... That is very much some soft-core kink gear... 

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  • KiyorisKiyoris Member RarePosts: 2,130
    edited November 2015
    tawess said:

    It is absolutely soft-core kink gear... trust me... i hang around in that scene.
    .....I hope you're joking

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  • AoriAori Member EpicPosts: 4,055
    Kiyoris said:
    tawess said:

    It is absolutely soft-core kink gear... trust me... i hang around in that scene.
    .....I hope you're joking

    Ya I don't know what to make of that either.
  • Xeno.phonXeno.phon Member UncommonPosts: 350
    There is no such thing as equality as long as feminists exist, they are no different than chauvinists and in fact have proven to be even more destructive by forcing their way into media and entertainment to force redundant changes to suit their ego.

    I think after having a few female leaders it has been proven that females are just as big of messed up, violent, corrupt pieces of shit as males are. The sooner they realize that the sooner we can get back to equality.
  • tawesstawess Member EpicPosts: 4,022
    Aori said:
    Kiyoris said:
    tawess said:

    It is absolutely soft-core kink gear... trust me... i hang around in that scene.
    .....I hope you're joking

    Ya I don't know what to make of that either.

    What is it there to make of it..?  I have friends who are active BDSM and Dom/Sub practitioners... Nothing stranger than that... =) 

    That outfit is what it is.... Don´t blame me.. i am not the designer. =P


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  • KiyorisKiyoris Member RarePosts: 2,130
    Xeno.phon said:
    There is no such thing as equality as long as feminists exist, they are no different than chauvinists and in fact have proven to be even more destructive by forcing their way into media and entertainment to force redundant changes to suit their ego.
    Agree, I don't know how they managed to force their ideas into games. I want the game to look like the developers intended.

    Not filtered through political correctness.
  • thinktank001thinktank001 Member UncommonPosts: 2,144
    Kiyoris said:
    They've been doing that since the 90s.

    If anything, men have been clothed far skimpier than women in games.

    I don't know any Sega games with topless women, but every guy has his shirt off.



    Now that I think about it many of the 80s and 90s games had scantily clothed dudes in their games.  However, I think the big difference between those games and xenoblade is that the older games used " muscle men " as their character models, and that type of clothing isn't really all that shocking.   On the other hand, Xenoblade has chosen to use a relatively normal looking character model with skimpy clothing, which sends and entirely different message. 

    This is similar to what another poster pointed out.  Go to the beach and teenagers in bikinis are normal attire, but I bet if such clothing was worn to different location it could be mistaken as entirely different meaning.
  • KiyorisKiyoris Member RarePosts: 2,130
    edited November 2015
    I think the amount of censorship is ridiculous. They can not even show a woman's breast anymore or Apple decides to pull the game from their app store.

    These things used to hang in churches.

    Now it is FORBIDDEN to even show a woman's breast in a game anymore.

    Crazy.

    They are human bodies, they should be celebrated, not hidden away.


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  • tawesstawess Member EpicPosts: 4,022
    Kiyoris said:
    I think the amount of censorship is ridiculous. They can not even show a woman's breast anymore or Apple decides to pull the game from their app store.

    These things used to hang in churches.

    Now it is FORBIDDEN to even show a woman's breast in a game anymore.

    Crazy.

    They are human bodies, they should be celebrated, not hidden away.



    Again.... context is key.... And i agree with you... I also look forward to the day when male and female bodies are treated the same way and the society have done away with gender bias, sexist behavior. 

    But in order to reach there.. we first need to find point zero... And that most likely do entail having both a much higher representation of women in games... and having them dressed in actual clothing... not two band-aid´s and a dental floss string. 

    Now while we are on the subject.... There is a massive lack of wangs in most games too. (and before anyone try to pull the old "it is a difference between mammalian gland casings and genetalia.... I like to point out that on a female both are equally sexualized so if fair should be fair... more wang.)

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  • GhavriggGhavrigg Member RarePosts: 1,303
    SBFord said:
    BigRambo said:
     When people cry more about having naked pixels rather than better game play, is the main reason why games are dumbed down.  Man do I miss the SNES 90's era of gaming. 
    When they start showing male characters in thongs and bikinis, let's talk. Until then, this is the right decision.
    Way to kill your argument right off the bat like this hasn't been done. 
  • goboygogoboygo Member RarePosts: 1,772

    That's not armor on the JP version, that's electrical tape.

  • naaminaami Member UncommonPosts: 216
    I don't know...is it really censorship? It's not like they couldn't release the original if they wanted to. Seems more like a design choice to suit the general audience. I don't think it's a good thing that accusations of censorship (among other things) get thrown around so lightly. Don't people have the right to alter their work? The armored versions seem to suit the context of the game much better too. 
  • AnirethAnireth Member UncommonPosts: 930
    Someone mentioned it already, but i find the way the model looks deformed more disturbing than the censoring. It's a shame that stuff gets censored, but characters being nearly naked for the sake of being nearly naked isn't really something one should aspire either. It doesn't add anything, on the contrary, it does put a really low limit on outfit options. After all, you don't want to cover too much, and there are some places you have to cover, so not much to do besides maybe change the color.

    Sometimes the uncensored outfits also look ridiculous. Like many do in Blade and Soul. They look like someone took the censored outfits and randomly cut off some parts or was disturbed while doing so.

    The censoring itself is disputable, but the changes themselves are hardly a loss most of the times.

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  • GitmixGitmix Member UncommonPosts: 601
    edited November 2015
    Kiyoris said:
    I think the amount of censorship is ridiculous. They can not even show a woman's breast anymore or Apple decides to pull the game from their app store.

    These things used to hang in churches.

    Now it is FORBIDDEN to even show a woman's breast in a game anymore.

    Crazy.

    They are human bodies, they should be celebrated, not hidden away.


    There is no censorship. It was the game developer's choice to cover up the 15 y/o female in order to avoid the mature rating. They had a choice, they weren't forced to do anything.
    At least one MMO I know of has full nudity (Mortal Online) and it never got censored so it's definitely not forbidden to show a woman's breast or a man's schlong in a video game. Kids just won't be allowed to play it, that's all.

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  • thunderCthunderC Member EpicPosts: 2,060
    edited November 2015
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  • VorthanionVorthanion Member RarePosts: 2,619
    SBFord said:
    BigRambo said:
     When people cry more about having naked pixels rather than better game play, is the main reason why games are dumbed down.  Man do I miss the SNES 90's era of gaming. 
    When they start showing male characters in thongs and bikinis, let's talk. Until then, this is the right decision.

    Especially thong....some male pixel cheekiness is much needed in computer gaming.

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  • PurutzilPurutzil Member UncommonPosts: 3,048
    If I played the game, I'd have no intention of using this skin at all. I still find it dumb to censor stuff. Its just not right to censor things. If people don't like something, then they don't need to use it, particularly if its something optional in the game like this. 

    Art should be free, not ruled by Authoritarians who seek to force things to be 'there way'. Even if someone makes something I dislike completely, I'll still support their right to do it even if I stand completely against every bit of what they say or do. Sure, I might come out against it and explain and point out why its not good, but I will not be an Authoritarian and force them to remove it.
  • VorthanionVorthanion Member RarePosts: 2,619
    edited November 2015
    Kiyoris said:
    SBFord said:
    BigRambo said:
     When people cry more about having naked pixels rather than better game play, is the main reason why games are dumbed down.  Man do I miss the SNES 90's era of gaming. 
    When they start showing male characters in thongs and bikinis, let's talk. Until then, this is the right decision.
    They've been doing that since the 90s.

    If anything, men have been clothed far skimpier than women in games.

    I don't know any Sega games with topless women, but every guy has his shirt off.



    You know darn well that the female form gets sexualized far more in computer gaming than the male form, by at least a factor of 100.  How many of the current crop of Asian MMOs that have over sexualized female characters also have male characters with large bulges and armor that is more skin than metal?  In fact, most of the male characters in Asian games are quite effeminate looking.
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  • MagnetiaMagnetia Member UncommonPosts: 1,012
    I'm all for revealing outfits but that's just a bikini. If Tifa or Garnet were wearing that in the game world I would think it's dumb.

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  • TorvalTorval Member LegendaryPosts: 17,992
    Kiyoris said:
    Any censorship, not mandated by authorities, that seeks to limit freedom of expression by developers, goes too far.
    It's self censorship that I believe in. I would rather companies have the freedom to make this choice than fascist government oversight.

    They aren't required to censor the costumes but western ratings groups would have given it explicit ratings which would have have cut into sales.
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  • IselinIselin Member LegendaryPosts: 11,827
    "Cave to western feminists"? LOL

    Well, I'm not a feminist nor a woman, but I have a strong dislike for Japanese light-pedo anime anyway.

    Their constant theme of over-sexualizing female minors in games is a peculiar cultural thing that I find dodgy in the extreme.

    So... good move to dress the 15-yr-old up a bit, although... I'm surprised they didn't swap the thong with a schoolgirl outfit - that'd be more like what I'd expect from them.

    Just my opinion, of course.

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  • KiyorisKiyoris Member RarePosts: 2,130
    edited November 2015
    Kiyoris said:
    SBFord said:
    BigRambo said:
     When people cry more about having naked pixels rather than better game play, is the main reason why games are dumbed down.  Man do I miss the SNES 90's era of gaming. 
    When they start showing male characters in thongs and bikinis, let's talk. Until then, this is the right decision.
    They've been doing that since the 90s.

    If anything, men have been clothed far skimpier than women in games.

    I don't know any Sega games with topless women, but every guy has his shirt off.



    You know darn well that the female form gets sexualized far more in computer gaming than the male form, by at least a factor of 100.
    that is total crap

    men are just as sexualized in games as women, I would say more so

    every other guy is a shirtless bulging muscle guy

    how many games are there with topless women?








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