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Is my thinking the combat is boring because of the professions I play?

JonnyBigBossJonnyBigBoss Member UncommonPosts: 702
There are a lot of things about Guild Wars 2 that I like, combat is not one of them.

When I engage with an enemy, I want to feel like I'm constantly inputting actions. With my 80 Engineer and 80 Revenant, I feel like I'm constantly auto attacking while waiting for the few situations where my other abilities are useful, such as AoE attacks, increased damage, ranged attack, etc.

Reading how much people enjoy this game, I have a feeling it's the professions that I'm playing that are the problem. Are there professions that have exciting rotations?
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  • Dampiel_szDampiel_sz Member UncommonPosts: 73
    you are not alone in this, i too find the combat in GW2 to be bland, boring and more akin to button mashing arcade games
  • DMKanoDMKano Member LegendaryPosts: 19,274
    edited October 2015
    OP this is highly subjective - what is your baseline for "good" combat?

    Without knowing what you consider good it's hard to say
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  • ScorchienScorchien Member LegendaryPosts: 6,001
    I have an 80 Enngi also , and i feel the same way combat is boring ,  with uninspired skills that severely lack  imagination or flow to the combat ...
  • GeezerGamerGeezerGamer Member EpicPosts: 8,551
    There has been a lot of push in the area of combat in MMORPGs in the past few years. I don't think it's returned the successful results developers were after.

    I would say, the problem is that they are trying to do this in the 1st place. In theory, it's a good idea. But how many times will you engage in combat in your MMORPG? I don't care how fun and exciting you make it. Do it enough times, it gets old. And on top of that, if it's challenging now, after 100 hrs or so, it becomes that much more of a chore.

    MMORPG combat (IMO) should be fluid, intuitive, and simple. It should be such that after 2-3 hundred hrs, you don't think about it anymore. It will probably never be that much fun....well, except for new power ups, those are fun......for a little while anyway.
  • mhendmhend Member UncommonPosts: 4
    Yeah I feel like GW2 combat is boring as fuck.
  • laxielaxie Member RarePosts: 1,032
    @JonnyBigBoss ;

    I personally have played an Elementalist since release. I found it so entertaining that I never leveled a second 80 character for the 3+ years I have been playing.

    There are huge differences between the professions. An Elementalist has the highest number of skills. It has 4 elements with 5 skills each (6 skills if you have the new expansion), plus your 5 utility spells. This means you have 25 skills in combat, all of which you use regularly. The great thing is the skills change with your weapons, so using a different weapon means you have 25 completely different skills to use.

    Compare this to something like a guardian, which is a much more static class, with fewer skills. I played it up to level 30 - the combat was very different. There you spend most time rotating 5 skills, watching your enemy and blocking at the right time. In some ways it has it's own challenges - in a game with no clear aggro, you need to protect your team with the few skills you have. But I can see how that could get monotonous after some time.

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    The other important thing is that GW2 is at its core a team game. This is not really apparent. The 1-80 leveling content is fairly easy. You can do all of it solo, not really thinking about team work. Once you reach endgame, many of the dungeon run groups are quite dumb. They ask for high gear, allowing them to faceroll most of the dungeons in the game.

    In other words, you can beat most of the content in the game without using much teamwork. Personally I find this approach very boring.

    There is an alternative though - and that is playing as a team. In many cases it allows you to beat the content as effectively as the faceroll groups, without the need for specific gear sets. In some cases you might take 40 minutes to clear a dungeon instead of 20, but you will have a lot more fun doing so.

    I've played with a group of friends since release. All of the challenging content we overcome through combining our skills, dodging, smart positioning, synergy in our builds and masteries. If you take the time to learn how to play this way, the game actually offers a lot of systems that let you do this (and in my opinion, have a lot of fun).

    I highly recommend finding a group that shares this mindset, as it will let you play around the mechanics of the fights. Some can get very elaborate and I've had many fun evenings with my friends trying to understand how to beat each fight in an efficient manner, without the "stand here and spam your skills into a wall" approach.
  • SomeHumanSomeHuman Member UncommonPosts: 555
    I leveled a ranger to 80 in WvW in the releasing months.   I only ever really felt a challenge in PvP in terms of combat. I actually hopped in for a few hours today to work on some map completion.  I logged out for the same reason.  On leveled areas I don't feel it as much, but I think in both cases the commonality is it's just a little too easy.  With kiting, roots, and pushbacks, I don't find much challenge in PvE.  I've contemplated deleting my 80, so I might enjoy the unexplored maps with a bit of challenge.  Instead I'm re-downloading Skyforge (thinking it may be better than it was in beta); I'm a fool.

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  • laxielaxie Member RarePosts: 1,032
    SomeHuman said:
    I've contemplated deleting my 80, so I might enjoy the unexplored maps with a bit of challenge.
    I wouldn't recommend this. It sounds like you have good knowledge of PvE combat. You would still find the content very easy, even with an adequate level character.

    The expansion content is actually great when it comes to PvE difficulty. We have been running it with my sister. Even with 2 players, it is a real challenge in many cases. This comes from someone who finds all of the previous PvE content really trivial.

    The expansion is also somewhat similar to WvWvW, in the sense that you build up camps. You take them over and then protect them from invasions (a bit like the non-expansion 80 zones). You might find that interesting.
  • waynejr2waynejr2 Member EpicPosts: 7,768
    Only played 2 characters up to low level 30s.  Didn't enjoy the game myself and thought it was uninteresting.  The PVP wasn't interesting either.
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  • TheDarkrayneTheDarkrayne Member EpicPosts: 4,054
    edited October 2015

    Standard PvE is definitely faceroll when you're a full exotic level 80. Are you getting into the high level fractals yet and trying to take on champions solo? That makes you have to try harder. The problem with GW2 is the zerg.. you can literally do what you want in a zerg. Silverwastes and Heart of Thorns is definitely a step up in difficulty because the enemies have a lot of conditional things to be aware of... such as the wolf type things doing double damage to you if they attack you from behind.

    Combat in most MMOs is boring tho, it's a genre staple. ESO has too few skills on the bar, Rift and WoW have overused macro systems.. and so on.

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  • bcbullybcbully Member RarePosts: 9,357
    I felt the same OP. The poster that mentioned arcade nailed it. 
  • WizardryWizardry Member EpicPosts: 14,951
    edited October 2015
    I don't know if i would call GW2 combat boring,i get a different feeling.I consider it to at times not make sense to just bad to just silly but boring ,nah i don't  think i could call it boring.

    To me  GW2 is just a mess of ideas and maps tossed together to call it a game. I guess in a sense it is still a game and seems many people are satisfied with just a sloppy game design,but there are still in my belief some hardcore mmorpg gamer's who want a better game design.

    Every single developer seems to have a plan to sell it's product,either a one trick pony or selling it's pay method.GW2 was selling it's pay method and art,Rift sold it via it's Rifts,SW via the IP and so called important story,Wow via instance raiding,Skyforge unlocking via points,it goes on and on NOBODY is designing a quality COMPLETE game,just bits and pieces.

    It really takes a massive effort,to be honest i doubt i would want to undertake making a game,it is just too costly and too big a risk to do it right and that is why developers are just rushing out minimal efforts and praying it sells.We can just look at that now defunct Goblinworks game,they KNEW what it would take to make a decent game but were asked to make it for a fraction of the cost.So they  knew they were not building their best effort and still went through with it.That is imo what Arena does and EV1 of these devs are doing.
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  • Gaia_HunterGaia_Hunter Member UncommonPosts: 3,065
    edited October 2015
    An engineer and you auto attack?
    I keep switching kits, laying down combo fields, triggering them, etc.

    Although I guess it is a change from the "it's a spam feast".



    Post edited by Gaia_Hunter on

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  • JonnyBigBossJonnyBigBoss Member UncommonPosts: 702
    An engineer and you auto attack?
    I keep switching kits, laying down combo fields, triggering them, etc.

    Although I guess it is a change from the "it's a spam feast".



    I haven't played my Engi in a while, so I think you're right. I remember using a one-handed pistol and basically just shooting from range, doing the DoT everyone once in a while and laying down some slowing glue. It was boring IMO.
  • emperorhades1emperorhades1 Member UncommonPosts: 60
    combat is boring.  Equipment is boring.  Skill system is boring.  I am waiting for an MMO to have a skill tree as complex and customizable as POE.  I am waiting for skill and spell wheels to be like FFXI.  I see all the new MMOs are focusing on crafting, how many flashes and weapon sounds per button push that can be made and what unique way we can telegraph attacks.  Whatever happened to resource management, theory crafting and optimizing.  
  • splongsplong Member UncommonPosts: 15
    An engineer and you auto attack?
    I keep switching kits, laying down combo fields, triggering them, etc.

    Although I guess it is a change from the "it's a spam feast".



    I haven't played my Engi in a while, so I think you're right. I remember using a one-handed pistol and basically just shooting from range, doing the DoT everyone once in a while and laying down some slowing glue. It was boring IMO.
    An engineer spawning auto attack = failed  engineer.
    No offense but I felt the same with you when the game was released 3 years ago. Last year when i returning the game during living story s2, I did some research about gw2's combat system and i realized I was wrong . Combat in gw2 may not as complex as those 40 buttons smash game, it's still much more than just auto attack. There are some less complex class like warrior, but definitely not an engineer.
  • AshfordThunderAshfordThunder Member UncommonPosts: 23
    Yes, and watch one discussion thread turn into bashing the game, MMORPG.com what a community. So many of you replies has nothing to do with OP's question.

    It might be , I felt so boring when I was playing my warrior but then I found thied. The combat felt completely different. All classes has very different play style so if you don't enjoy one class then try another and it might hook you.
  • cerulean2012cerulean2012 Member UncommonPosts: 492
    OP, I have played those characters and others and I feel combat is boring.  I don't think it is those classes.  I believe that with the system GW2 has (no trinity) it basically forces your class into 1 area...DPS, so not matter what class you play it is basically the same.
  • Octagon7711Octagon7711 Member EpicPosts: 7,878
    It would be interesting to know which MMO's people feel do have good combat.  I think that might be more constructive.

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  • TorvalTorval Member LegendaryPosts: 18,019
    I like GW2 combat. The only class I've played and don't do well with in the ranger. I really need to revisit his build because it feels like he's shooting q-tip swabs. The rest are very satisfying to play.

    MMOs I think have good combat in addition to GW2: ESO, Tera, Wildstar, and Neverwinter. SWTOR and LotRO have okay combat, but that's not primarily why I play those games.
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  • ZzadZzad Member UncommonPosts: 1,394
    Try an Elementalist.
    Most fast paced combat in GW2.
    You have to be changing between the 4 elements in all combats.
    Playing Ele is playing over +20 skills!
  • Loke666Loke666 Member EpicPosts: 21,441
    Yeah, enginers and revs feel kinda slow to me as well. Try the thief, fast and fun combat (if you play it right, slow thieves die all the time).
  • goboygogoboygo Member RarePosts: 1,773

    I would tend to agree that combat is not its strength, it looks and runs fantastic, the crafting system is different and fun, but I've tried just about every class in the game to end game, and nothing hooks me.  Its like mash button until mob dies. 

    The skill's don't compliment each other in a way that makes it fun, its just robotic memorization, there is missing symmetry there.  Also most games that incorporate weapon or stance switching in combat don't get it right.  ESO barely pulls it off, this game not even close. 

    Probably the main reason I could never stick with this game, combat.  Engineer was my main, you have to switch weapons, tool kits and bombs too often to be affective, I feel more like a carpenter than an engineer.   Weapon and style switching (say like with the elementalist) should not dominate the majority of combat.  Same with Hunter.  "You can put the same weapon in both slots and have access to more skills from that line".  Huh?  I have to SWITCH to the SAME weapon to use more skills from the same weapon? Broken.

    Your scared to give me too many skills at once, but your okay with me switching weapons and styles like a crack head to gain access to more skills.  Its the old story of taking an existing system and making it unnecessarily more complicated and calling it a feature.

    I could also put two door knobs on the same door and claim my door takes more skill to open, but since at the end of the day it still just opens the door, what's the point?

  • StarS0ftStarS0ft Member UncommonPosts: 124
    There are a lot of things about Guild Wars 2 that I like, combat is not one of them.

    When I engage with an enemy, I want to feel like I'm constantly inputting actions. With my 80 Engineer and 80 Revenant, I feel like I'm constantly auto attacking while waiting for the few situations where my other abilities are useful, such as AoE attacks, increased damage, ranged attack, etc.

    Reading how much people enjoy this game, I have a feeling it's the professions that I'm playing that are the problem. Are there professions that have exciting rotations?
    not sure about enginer (never played),
    but I can suggest you to try elementalist, a lot of active skils (biggest amount in the game in comparison with any other class thanks to 4 attunments),
    if you play good you will feel youself as a god, if not - you will be very weak :)
    Also elementalist even alone can stack necessary buffs using combo fields (might, regen, swiftness, auras, chill, etc, etc)
  • AeanderAeander Member EpicPosts: 2,915
    edited November 2015
    I personally find the combat of Guild Wars 2, for the most part, exciting when the content supports it. That's an important distinction. If I'm soloing certain events in the Harathi Hinterlands or Orr, I'm dodging CC's, moving around a lot, and worrying about my health. That's fun. When I'm fighting a world boss, I'm spamming Skill 1. That isn't fun.

    Profession choice has a lot to do with it too. Reapers are great fun, but the core Necromancer is horribly boring in combat. Guardians can be a pretty one-note class too. Certain types of Thieves, Engineers, Elementalists, Rangers, Mesmers, and Revenants, on the other hand, can be a lot of fun to play.

    I've had a ton of fun with my Revenant so far. Jalis is an enthralling legend and the staff is a well-nuanced weapon.
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