Hey, at least my comment was based on facts and the proof is right there for anyone to see.
I have no problem with people disliking the game, everyone has their own tastes but it does them no favours when they try to extol their personal opinion as fact or when they make up crap about a game they don't even play. You can find the game boring but it doesn't mean that Elite is boring for everybody and it's pretty damn arrogant to imply that is the case.
There are already better games out, not coming out. X3 is about 1000 times better than Elite will ever be, just for the simple fact it can be modded, by people who love the game, and have a beautiful understanding of it.
Not to mention they told us at alpha it was going to be single player and moddable....
There is a huge difference between mods created by people who do it out of love for the game, and devs who do it just to try and get people to give them money. Examples would be, Skyrim, the mods are 1000 times better than anything the devs came up with. Another is X3 litcube. The best I think is Arma 2 dayz. That mod was great, but you go to where the guy who made it, stopped making it for the love of the game, and made it to get people to give him money, and you got dayz standalone which is utter trash.
O well, each to their own though. Elite to me is garbage, blank, and has no love other than how much the dev can convince people to pay him.
X3? Did you really say X3?
The game that lets you fly 1 (ONE) ship and developers tell people they can't implement more ships because of technical difficulties and you have to buy the next game X4?
The game that has space stations that you can walk around in with the exact same corridors and rooms just in a different order?
The game that has AI that is more stupid than a brick?
The game that has 4 different NPC character models that all look like my grandma and grandpa?
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Eve Online is outdated. Its like one of those games that have a list of cool features but when you sit down and play you are like WTF. I have not played Elite but the game seems to be growing and doing good. Looks so much more fun than Eve.
Eve Online is an excellent game for people who have huge amounts of time on their hands that would enable them to build deep relationships with other players, e.g. - the retired, students, the disabled, and military personnel or expedition personnel whose jobs involve doing nothing over extended periods.
In contrast, ED has a stronger emphasis on gameplay that is more fun for shorter periods of time.
In other words, ED is more 'mainstream' - Eve is definitely a 'niche game'.
That in a nutshell is the difference between the two games.
You can do same 5 basic things in EVE that you can do in ED when playing solo. 1: mine 2: trade 3:mission 4: ratting ( killing npc) 5: killing other players althou majority of EVE players are PVE centric.
There are already better games out, not coming out. X3 is about 1000 times better than Elite will ever be, just for the simple fact it can be modded, by people who love the game, and have a beautiful understanding of it.
Not to mention they told us at alpha it was going to be single player and moddable....
There is a huge difference between mods created by people who do it out of love for the game, and devs who do it just to try and get people to give them money. Examples would be, Skyrim, the mods are 1000 times better than anything the devs came up with. Another is X3 litcube. The best I think is Arma 2 dayz. That mod was great, but you go to where the guy who made it, stopped making it for the love of the game, and made it to get people to give him money, and you got dayz standalone which is utter trash.
O well, each to their own though. Elite to me is garbage, blank, and has no love other than how much the dev can convince people to pay him.
X3? Did you really say X3?
The game that lets you fly 1 (ONE) ship and developers tell people they can't implement more ships because of technical difficulties and you have to buy the next game X4?
The game that has space stations that you can walk around in with the exact same corridors and rooms just in a different order?
The game that has AI that is more stupid than a brick?
The game that has 4 different NPC character models that all look like my grandma and grandpa?
X3 comparisons are just hillarious, saying its also better than another game, particularly ED is just crazy, ED is a far better game in every respect, but even then, i still wouldn't compare it to Eve Online. The only thing they have in common is that they involve being in space, you could just as easily compare it to Kerbal Space Program, which is also btw, much better than X3, as is Farmville probably
I've played EVE a fair bit and I thought I would give this game a spin as EVE is wearing this after ten years on and off and the diection it's going in and the increasingly spiteful community has driven me away.
Well, ED has got about 1% of the things that you can do in EVE so I'm amazed anyone would play this instead of EVE. The list of differences is far too long, but in essence, in Elite: Dangerous, you land, take a mission, find your destination, travel and arrive, rinse and repeat. Yes, you can do some dog-fighting too, but, come on, the variety in this game is so sparse, and with a lot of time spent in your super cruise tunnel, I don't get what attract people to it other than the name.
I want to like it and am glad I only had a trial as it's so repetitive and not much else.
I think ED is getting there. The highlights for me are the scale of the universe, the graphics are nice, and it feels quite immersive (you actually land in places).
What it is missing, in my opinion, is having impact on the state of the world. Without crafting, there is not a clear visible print players have on the universe. Players fight you, they influence the goods a bit. But if you could make and trade equipment, it would feel much more impactful. Owning pieces of the space (even as simple as purchasing an office on a station), would also make it feel much more personal.
It is going in the right direction. If you look at the patch notes, they are adding stuff to the game. The planetary landings also look interesting (although they don't really fix the having impact issue I have).
What also scares me is that the expansion is paid. They are basically saying "What is in there is what you get, any additional big features you'll have to pay for". I get that their payment model doesn't give them much choice - perhaps it is better for the player than buying ships and currency like you do in Star Citizen.
It does make me worry about the future though. Might be that we have to pay for 2-3 expansions before the game offers enough economy features to make it feel like you have an impact.
Actually you are wrong about X3, X3 rebirth was indeed a crap game but x3 Albion Prelude is simply amazing and while I love Elite (playing it now), X3 is a better game at this moment in time.
Eve is much different in terms of everything but being in space so I wouldnt even mention it but X3 and Elite are an interesting comparison.
In both you fly your own ship, X3 has more at the moment. In Elite the universe is bigger but even in X3 it is massive enough. Elite is online but the online aspect is its weaker aspect, however they can work on that while X3 cant.
The thing that makes X3 different is how big your footprint on the universe can be, I built massive industrial complexes in different parts of space, from narcotics to computer manufacture to weapons manufacture. Automated supply chains and mining chains with mines and established a fleet to protect them, and all of this was feeding my fleet, while I fly my single ship I built a massive fleet that I would either send or lead into Xenon sectors to fight the invasion.
While you can have all the proffesions that Elite has you can go much bigger and much deeper. I would say Elite does being in space slightly better as its a bit more realistic, graphics helps and the fact that you occasionally see other players.
While I play Elite I would say overall right at this moment x3 albion prelude is a better and bigger game but I feel that Elite will surpass it in time. X3 also has stories/ scripted chains of missions with a story and a purpose.
PS. Elite is definitely more repetitive and definitely has less gameplay mechanics variety, but I still feel that is has the framework in place that allows it to eventually become the best space based game.
well lets see..... In ED I can actually shoot at targets and use twitch skills and resource management in combat.... In EVE I can fight in a very CHESS in space or maybe submarines in space type of combat system.....
In ED player skill matters... In EVE how long you have spend in game / or who's account you have purchased matters.... For that I choose ED.
You haven't played EVE then. If you had, you wouldn't have said that skill doesn't matter, how long you spent in space matters. (And I don't even like EVE any more, but ED is boring as hell, total repetition, an alpha experience at full price).
I tried EVE a long time ago, and never got that far into it. You have stated a few times that EVE has so many things to do above what ED offers, yet in the short time I played I didn't see any of that stuff. Could you please give a short list of what you can do in EVE? I am not being snarky here, just honestly asking what EVE has to offer.
As for ED, I just picked it up since Steam had it on sale for $15. After just a few days, the first thing I said to one of my friends was, "My biggest concern about the game is how repetitive it will be unless there is more to it than I am seeing right now." Again, this is only after a few days, but that is the reason I waited until it was just $15, as everything I saw and read about it when it came out pointed me to this conclusion before I tried it.
I've played EVE a fair bit and I thought I would give this game a spin as EVE is wearing this after ten years on and off and the diection it's going in and the increasingly spiteful community has driven me away.
Well, ED has got about 1% of the things that you can do in EVE so I'm amazed anyone would play this instead of EVE. The list of differences is far too long, but in essence, in Elite: Dangerous, you land, take a mission, find your destination, travel and arrive, rinse and repeat. Yes, you can do some dog-fighting too, but, come on, the variety in this game is so sparse, and with a lot of time spent in your super cruise tunnel, I don't get what attract people to it other than the name.
I want to like it and am glad I only had a trial as it's so repetitive and not much else.
Well the main difference between EvE and this game is that EvE is a sociopathy simulator which relies heavily on the player's ability to cheese, meta and troll to get cheap kicks out of random joes. Basically, it's an online platform to feel good about making people mad. There's also a submarine simulator on top, which is pretty much P2W since who fields the most alts win. You can plex those alts but time being money...
E: D on the other hand is an immersive space trucking/dogfighting arcadey simulator. It's very immersive albeit a bit barebones, and delivers gaming fun.
Eve is sandbox mmorpg focused on players interactions , Elite is space sim SP+MP , I liked EVE & Elite both games are great but EVE is awesome unique & special .
There are already better games out, not coming out. X3 is about 1000 times better than Elite will ever be, just for the simple fact it can be modded, by people who love the game, and have a beautiful understanding of it.
Not to mention they told us at alpha it was going to be single player and moddable....
There is a huge difference between mods created by people who do it out of love for the game, and devs who do it just to try and get people to give them money. Examples would be, Skyrim, the mods are 1000 times better than anything the devs came up with. Another is X3 litcube. The best I think is Arma 2 dayz. That mod was great, but you go to where the guy who made it, stopped making it for the love of the game, and made it to get people to give him money, and you got dayz standalone which is utter trash.
O well, each to their own though. Elite to me is garbage, blank, and has no love other than how much the dev can convince people to pay him.
X3? Did you really say X3?
The game that lets you fly 1 (ONE) ship and developers tell people they can't implement more ships because of technical difficulties and you have to buy the next game X4?
The game that has space stations that you can walk around in with the exact same corridors and rooms just in a different order?
The game that has AI that is more stupid than a brick?
The game that has 4 different NPC character models that all look like my grandma and grandpa?
As someone looking to get into a solid online space game for awhile now, I can say Elite is the only one I'm even considering at the moment.
EVE is old, has a sub, and looks boring as fuck (as the above hilarious review confirms) I want to pilot a ship out in space, it doesn't have that most basic component. It's laughable to even mention it here as an alternative to any of these games.
Star Citizen isn't a game so it's nothing to me.
X3 appears to be a single player game? I could be wrong it was hard to figure out exactly which version is being talked about...if it's SP I'm out, there's a million of those.
No Man's Sky looks great, but still, not a game yet. Not sure why anyone would hype it over Elite, it appears to be almost the same game with much worse graphics, more arcade style flying, and a little bit more to do on the planets. Besides those dinosaurs, everything they're claiming it will have is already in Elite? I'll probably get it for PS4 though, I don't mind the arcade style personally.
Elite does look a little boring, but it's by far, hands down, the best framework for a great space mmo that exists right now. The cost seems totally reasonable to me, so far it's at the box price of any new PS4 game out there. Maybe things have changed since it was first conceived, and some people feel a little cheated. But if Star Citizen has taught us anything, it's that the development of these massive games is unpredictable at best. Not to mention crazy expensive. Are there really people out there so stupid they think this shit will be free?? Frontier has every right to start monetizing this thing, it's an actual game!
All that being said. I'm still going to wait and see what the full "Season Pass" has in store before I get into this one. If they add more depth to to the game, it will truly be something special, something all the backers can be proud of. People who backed this game should be happy with what's here, it's something real and gives me a lot of hope for the future of Elite. It's sure a hell of a lot more than these dipshits sinking thousands into Star Citizen have seen yet (or maybe ever will).
well lets see..... In ED I can actually shoot at targets and use twitch skills and resource management in combat.... In EVE I can fight in a very CHESS in space or maybe submarines in space type of combat system.....
In ED player skill matters... In EVE how long you have spend in game / or who's account you have purchased matters.... For that I choose ED.
You haven't played EVE then. If you had, you wouldn't have said that skill doesn't matter, how long you spent in space matters. (And I don't even like EVE any more, but ED is boring as hell, total repetition, an alpha experience at full price).
I tried EVE a long time ago, and never got that far into it. You have stated a few times that EVE has so many things to do above what ED offers, yet in the short time I played I didn't see any of that stuff. Could you please give a short list of what you can do in EVE? I am not being snarky here, just honestly asking what EVE has to offer.
As for ED, I just picked it up since Steam had it on sale for $15. After just a few days, the first thing I said to one of my friends was, "My biggest concern about the game is how repetitive it will be unless there is more to it than I am seeing right now." Again, this is only after a few days, but that is the reason I waited until it was just $15, as everything I saw and read about it when it came out pointed me to this conclusion before I tried it.
In EVE, at the beginning there are a lot of different activities for you to do. However, "all roads lead to Rome" - the purpose of every single activity in EVE leads to one endgame purpose only - huge impersonal blobs of player spaceships fighting each other.
In whatever you do in life, you have to believe in what you are doing. If you don't feel driven to stay up late into the night fighting impersonal wars for your team in EVE, it isn't the game for you.
That's why it's mandatory to be able to sink many hours a week socialising with other players in EVE - that's what gives the game some sort of purpose.
The problem with Elite is that they claimed they released it but it was really in Early Access. There wasn't enough content. Now, instead of releasing out of EA with a big patch to make up for the lack of things to do they're selling their content patch for $40.
Yes this is something that should bother even the fanboys - you pay to get what you should have got with the game. Seriously isn't worth the price.
Yep, I haven't logged in since they announced "Horizons". I was kind of enjoying ED even though it was barebones, but only because I kept telling myself it was the alpha/beta and it would get better when they finish it. Then they announce a paid expansion while we are waiting for patches to complete the game. I already paid $75..... now they want 45 more for an expansion that STILL doesn't complete the game. So how much will the completed game cost? 6 expansions in and $300 later? I have early backed and kickstarted a bunch of games and this was the first time I've felt truly betrayed. $15 loyalty discount!? F*** off. And its not even really about the total price.....its about the complete disrespect to the early backers that placed their faith in Frontier.
If you were an early backer then you should have known they were going with the paid expansion model, it's not like they didn't make it clear. It was talked about as far back as the kickstarter. Beyond that, you're not obliged to pay for each expansion. You could pick it up cheap in a sale, you could carry on playing and then buy the most recent expansion which will contain all the previous ones. You don't have to spend $45 on the current season's content unless you want it right the fuck now. And why isn't it fair? the studio deserves to get paid for its work and it sure as hell beats in-game microtransactions, a subscription, ship selling or pay-to-win cash shops.
I do think they need to look at their pricing model, asking people to pay upfront for an unknown quantity isn't going to work for very long.
This thread is stupid, stupid, stupid. Sorry, I went all Forrest there for a sec. So, E:D vs EVE is like comparing Squash to Chess. One is very physical, the other very cerebral. They're both entertaining but in very different ways.
I've played both, found them both to be fun, in different ways. I seriously don't understand why anyone would compare them, they're just so different.
Regarding E:D, I stopped playing because of the pricing on Horizons compared to the content being added. I think that asking the same price as the original game to be able to land on an airless rock was a bit much. That and the fact that a new player would get Horizons plus the original game for the same price I would have had to pay for the expansion.
That and the fact that a new player would get Horizons plus the original game for the same price I would have had to pay for the expansion.
Sorry, David, you're out of order on that one.
I disagree, GW2 now gives you the base game for free, lots of people had to pay for that. World Of Warcraft charges a newcomer £10 for the base game + 4 expansions while loyal backers would have had to pay £150 for the same content, etc etc. No one's out of order, it's typical MMO industry practice. How would you entice newcomers to the game if you put a huge great paywall in front of them?
Um, it's a space game with multiple players. I didn't say it was a substitute for EVE I said that given the choice, EVE has much more going on and ED is very repetitive.
It's not like I'm comparing Warcraft with Chess is it?
The reason it's odd you even mention them in the same sentence is that the only thing they really have in common is they are both space games. The game play it's self is totally different in these two games.
Everything you can do in Elite Dangerous, you can do in EVE, and about a hundred things more. Can't see a reason to play Elite if you could do so much more in EVE.
Instead of just disagreeing with me, why not explain your stance and tell me the selling point of Elite Dangerous that makes it a game to play instead of a game like EVE? I mean, mission running and blowing up ships, taking cargo from A to B - that's in both. I can't see much else in ED but the list for EVE is pretty long.
Tell me what makes Elite so great that I can't see?
EVE has been out much longer, so they've had time to add and refine their content. From my understanding, Elite has regular updates planned to update and add content. So far, they seem capable of meeting their goals, so I'd say give it time and keep checking in to see if they've added enough for you to switch.
That and the fact that a new player would get Horizons plus the original game for the same price I would have had to pay for the expansion.
Sorry, David, you're out of order on that one.
I disagree, GW2 now gives you the base game for free, lots of people had to pay for that. World Of Warcraft charges a newcomer £10 for the base game + 4 expansions while loyal backers would have had to pay £150 for the same content, etc etc. No one's out of order, it's typical MMO industry practice. How would you entice newcomers to the game if you put a huge great paywall in front of them?
I stopped playing E:D 4 weeks after launch, because I was bored with its limited scope and the general meaninglessness of everything you did. The so-called "living economy" is a total sham and I've seen better econ in quite a few single-player games.
The game has great potential, but like so many other games, that potential will most likely never be realised. I may (or may not) look at it again in 2 or 3 years' time to see if they have managed to overcome the severe limitations that comes with E:D's peer-to-peer architecture. Another 2 or 3 paid annual expansions and the game may have enough content to be ready for a TRUE launch day.
E:D was not a purely Kickstarter-funded game produced by an indie company. It was made by a well-established game development studio that used Kickstarter to reduce the financial risk of making the game.
That and the fact that a new player would get Horizons plus the original game for the same price I would have had to pay for the expansion.
Sorry, David, you're out of order on that one.
I disagree, GW2 now gives you the base game for free, lots of people had to pay for that. World Of Warcraft charges a newcomer £10 for the base game + 4 expansions while loyal backers would have had to pay £150 for the same content, etc etc. No one's out of order, it's typical MMO industry practice. How would you entice newcomers to the game if you put a huge great paywall in front of them?
I stopped playing E:D 4 weeks after launch, because I was bored with its limited scope and the general meaninglessness of everything you did. The so-called "living economy" is a total sham and I've seen better econ in quite a few single-player games.
The game has great potential, but like so many other games, that potential will most likely never be realised. I may (or may not) look at it again in 2 or 3 years' time to see if they have managed to overcome the severe limitations that comes with E:D's peer-to-peer architecture. Another 2 or 3 paid annual expansions and the game may have enough content to be ready for a TRUE launch day.
E:D was not a purely Kickstarter-funded game produced by an indie company. It was made by a well-established game development studio that used Kickstarter to reduce the financial risk of making the game.
Okay. I'm not sure how that pertains to any of what I wrote but thanks for informing us of your opinion.
I play the game sporadically and have ~500 hours notched up with loads of things left to do. I really enjoy the free-form gameplay it offers. Bully for me.
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I have no problem with people disliking the game, everyone has their own tastes but it does them no favours when they try to extol their personal opinion as fact or when they make up crap about a game they don't even play. You can find the game boring but it doesn't mean that Elite is boring for everybody and it's pretty damn arrogant to imply that is the case.
The game that lets you fly 1 (ONE) ship and developers tell people they can't implement more ships because of technical difficulties and you have to buy the next game X4?
The game that has space stations that you can walk around in with the exact same corridors and rooms just in a different order?
The game that has AI that is more stupid than a brick?
The game that has 4 different NPC character models that all look like my grandma and grandpa?
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In contrast, ED has a stronger emphasis on gameplay that is more fun for shorter periods of time.
In other words, ED is more 'mainstream' - Eve is definitely a 'niche game'.
That in a nutshell is the difference between the two games.
1: mine
2: trade
3:mission
4: ratting ( killing npc)
5: killing other players althou majority of EVE players are PVE centric.
What it is missing, in my opinion, is having impact on the state of the world. Without crafting, there is not a clear visible print players have on the universe. Players fight you, they influence the goods a bit. But if you could make and trade equipment, it would feel much more impactful. Owning pieces of the space (even as simple as purchasing an office on a station), would also make it feel much more personal.
It is going in the right direction. If you look at the patch notes, they are adding stuff to the game. The planetary landings also look interesting (although they don't really fix the having impact issue I have).
What also scares me is that the expansion is paid. They are basically saying "What is in there is what you get, any additional big features you'll have to pay for". I get that their payment model doesn't give them much choice - perhaps it is better for the player than buying ships and currency like you do in Star Citizen.
It does make me worry about the future though. Might be that we have to pay for 2-3 expansions before the game offers enough economy features to make it feel like you have an impact.
Eve is much different in terms of everything but being in space so I wouldnt even mention it but X3 and Elite are an interesting comparison.
In both you fly your own ship, X3 has more at the moment. In Elite the universe is bigger but even in X3 it is massive enough. Elite is online but the online aspect is its weaker aspect, however they can work on that while X3 cant.
The thing that makes X3 different is how big your footprint on the universe can be, I built massive industrial complexes in different parts of space, from narcotics to computer manufacture to weapons manufacture. Automated supply chains and mining chains with mines and established a fleet to protect them, and all of this was feeding my fleet, while I fly my single ship I built a massive fleet that I would either send or lead into Xenon sectors to fight the invasion.
While you can have all the proffesions that Elite has you can go much bigger and much deeper. I would say Elite does being in space slightly better as its a bit more realistic, graphics helps and the fact that you occasionally see other players.
While I play Elite I would say overall right at this moment x3 albion prelude is a better and bigger game but I feel that Elite will surpass it in time. X3 also has stories/ scripted chains of missions with a story and a purpose.
PS. Elite is definitely more repetitive and definitely has less gameplay mechanics variety, but I still feel that is has the framework in place that allows it to eventually become the best space based game.
As for ED, I just picked it up since Steam had it on sale for $15. After just a few days, the first thing I said to one of my friends was, "My biggest concern about the game is how repetitive it will be unless there is more to it than I am seeing right now." Again, this is only after a few days, but that is the reason I waited until it was just $15, as everything I saw and read about it when it came out pointed me to this conclusion before I tried it.
Well the main difference between EvE and this game is that EvE is a sociopathy simulator which relies heavily on the player's ability to cheese, meta and troll to get cheap kicks out of random joes. Basically, it's an online platform to feel good about making people mad.
There's also a submarine simulator on top, which is pretty much P2W since who fields the most alts win. You can plex those alts but time being money...
E: D on the other hand is an immersive space trucking/dogfighting arcadey simulator. It's very immersive albeit a bit barebones, and delivers gaming fun.
EVE is old, has a sub, and looks boring as fuck (as the above hilarious review confirms) I want to pilot a ship out in space, it doesn't have that most basic component. It's laughable to even mention it here as an alternative to any of these games.
Star Citizen isn't a game so it's nothing to me.
X3 appears to be a single player game? I could be wrong it was hard to figure out exactly which version is being talked about...if it's SP I'm out, there's a million of those.
No Man's Sky looks great, but still, not a game yet. Not sure why anyone would hype it over Elite, it appears to be almost the same game with much worse graphics, more arcade style flying, and a little bit more to do on the planets. Besides those dinosaurs, everything they're claiming it will have is already in Elite? I'll probably get it for PS4 though, I don't mind the arcade style personally.
Elite does look a little boring, but it's by far, hands down, the best framework for a great space mmo that exists right now. The cost seems totally reasonable to me, so far it's at the box price of any new PS4 game out there. Maybe things have changed since it was first conceived, and some people feel a little cheated. But if Star Citizen has taught us anything, it's that the development of these massive games is unpredictable at best. Not to mention crazy expensive. Are there really people out there so stupid they think this shit will be free?? Frontier has every right to start monetizing this thing, it's an actual game!
All that being said. I'm still going to wait and see what the full "Season Pass" has in store before I get into this one. If they add more depth to to the game, it will truly be something special, something all the backers can be proud of. People who backed this game should be happy with what's here, it's something real and gives me a lot of hope for the future of Elite. It's sure a hell of a lot more than these dipshits sinking thousands into Star Citizen have seen yet (or maybe ever will).
In EVE, at the beginning there are a lot of different activities for you to do. However, "all roads lead to Rome" - the purpose of every single activity in EVE leads to one endgame purpose only - huge impersonal blobs of player spaceships fighting each other.
In whatever you do in life, you have to believe in what you are doing. If you don't feel driven to stay up late into the night fighting impersonal wars for your team in EVE, it isn't the game for you.
That's why it's mandatory to be able to sink many hours a week socialising with other players in EVE - that's what gives the game some sort of purpose.
Beyond that, you're not obliged to pay for each expansion. You could pick it up cheap in a sale, you could carry on playing and then buy the most recent expansion which will contain all the previous ones. You don't have to spend $45 on the current season's content unless you want it right the fuck now.
And why isn't it fair? the studio deserves to get paid for its work and it sure as hell beats in-game microtransactions, a subscription, ship selling or pay-to-win cash shops.
I do think they need to look at their pricing model, asking people to pay upfront for an unknown quantity isn't going to work for very long.
I've played both, found them both to be fun, in different ways. I seriously don't understand why anyone would compare them, they're just so different.
Regarding E:D, I stopped playing because of the pricing on Horizons compared to the content being added. I think that asking the same price as the original game to be able to land on an airless rock was a bit much. That and the fact that a new player would get Horizons plus the original game for the same price I would have had to pay for the expansion.
Sorry, David, you're out of order on that one.
I disagree, GW2 now gives you the base game for free, lots of people had to pay for that. World Of Warcraft charges a newcomer £10 for the base game + 4 expansions while loyal backers would have had to pay £150 for the same content, etc etc.
No one's out of order, it's typical MMO industry practice. How would you entice newcomers to the game if you put a huge great paywall in front of them?
I self identify as a monkey.
rest 99% of Eve is dealing with fat paranoid pvp asshats
nuff said
The game has great potential, but like so many other games, that potential will most likely never be realised. I may (or may not) look at it again in 2 or 3 years' time to see if they have managed to overcome the severe limitations that comes with E:D's peer-to-peer architecture. Another 2 or 3 paid annual expansions and the game may have enough content to be ready for a TRUE launch day.
E:D was not a purely Kickstarter-funded game produced by an indie company. It was made by a well-established game development studio that used Kickstarter to reduce the financial risk of making the game.
Okay. I'm not sure how that pertains to any of what I wrote but thanks for informing us of your opinion.
I play the game sporadically and have ~500 hours notched up with loads of things left to do. I really enjoy the free-form gameplay it offers. Bully for me.