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Should blockades be considered pvp?

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  • barasawabarasawa Member UncommonPosts: 581
    It's a form of Griefing, plain and simple.

    Lost my mind, now trying to lose yours...

  • Octagon7711Octagon7711 Member LegendaryPosts: 8,724
    Such p'tahk have no honor, and they will never find a place in Stovokor...

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  • Viper482Viper482 Member EpicPosts: 2,420
    This is seriously still being allowed to happen? I saw this on the main page and figured it would be a necro thread. And they still wonder why this game fell flat on its face.
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  • ArglebargleArglebargle Member RarePosts: 2,539

    Emergent gameplay my ass!   This problem has been around since UO.  While I value collision detection, if it has been implemented in game, the developers should absolutely understand the issues surrounding it, and have a solution in place.  


    Otherwise, people quit the game -- or never start.  Neither of which is good on the bottom line.

    If you are holding out for the perfect game, the only game you play will be the waiting one.

  • filmoretfilmoret Member EpicPosts: 4,906
    edited October 2015

    I am proud to say that Trion has officially made blockades illegal gameplay.

    http://forums.archeagegame.com/showthread.php?242329-Cart-blocking-bannable-Cant-pvp-in-housing-zones.-What-is-next&p=2058247&posted=1#post2058247


    I fear the damage has already been done since it took them almost a year to deal with it.

    Are you onto something or just on something?
  • DeivosDeivos Member EpicPosts: 3,692
    Honestly they should look at implementing a "push through" feature to bypass friendly vehicles and stuff. Ryzom did it where you butt up against a target temporarily and then if you continue to press movement it would then let you phase through the target so that groups of people could remain navigable.

    Same concept could be applied there and then that form of PvP/griefing wouldn't be a concern.

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  • simpliussimplius Member UncommonPosts: 1,134
    Such p'tahk have no honor, and they will never find a place in Stovokor...

    most of us wont..but they will be further from it, than anybody else

    this was one of the most hyped sandbox titles , how could they bork it up so much?


  • simpliussimplius Member UncommonPosts: 1,134
    yeah, sounds like poorly implemented collision. like in Ultima where people would wall-in other peoples house entrance.

    and, to answer the pool: it IS pvp, just one-sided. obviously, not much fun.

    one sided PVP? that would be PVnothing

    i guess those nothings took a big chunk of trions income with them, when they left the game

    apparantly , it took them a year to realize this

  • HeraseHerase Member RarePosts: 990
    simplius said:
    yeah, sounds like poorly implemented collision. like in Ultima where people would wall-in other peoples house entrance.

    and, to answer the pool: it IS pvp, just one-sided. obviously, not much fun.

    one sided PVP? that would be PVnothing

    i guess those nothings took a big chunk of trions income with them, when they left the game

    apparantly , it took them a year to realize this

    But even then the players griefing aren't pvping, they're putting up blockades then afking. There's no pvp occurring at any point.
  • LoktofeitLoktofeit Member RarePosts: 14,247
    edited October 2015
    This type of behaviour in a PvE zone is what led to the disappearance of player-to-player CD long ago. 

    Also, it's hard to call this PVP. If it was in a PVP zone or if it served a purpose other than to annoy caravans, I'd call it PVP. This seems like griefing and little else. 

    There isn't a "right" or "wrong" way to play, if you want to use a screwdriver to put nails into wood, have at it, simply don't complain when the guy next to you with the hammer is doing it much better and easier. - Allein
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  • farbegefarbege Member UncommonPosts: 305
    edited October 2015
    Herase said:
    simplius said:
    yeah, sounds like poorly implemented collision. like in Ultima where people would wall-in other peoples house entrance.

    and, to answer the pool: it IS pvp, just one-sided. obviously, not much fun.

    one sided PVP? that would be PVnothing

    i guess those nothings took a big chunk of trions income with them, when they left the game

    apparantly , it took them a year to realize this

    But even then the players griefing aren't pvping, they're putting up blockades then afking. There's no pvp occurring at any point.

    Where did any PvP occur during the blockade of Cuba 1963 ?  xD

    Blockade is targeted at economy  it doesn't have to lead to combat and actual military fights.

    Its a offensive economic warfare strategy.

     

     
  • farbegefarbege Member UncommonPosts: 305
    Loktofeit said:
    This type of behaviour in a PvE zone is what led to the disappearance of player-to-player CD long ago. 

    Also, it's hard to call this PVP. If it was in a PVP zone or if it served a purpose other than to annoy caravans, I'd call it PVP. This seems like griefing and little else. 

    Its not a PvE zone it is a faction controlled zone, Nuian in case of west zones . This is an important difference.

    If the faction is divided and guilds within oppose each other (which happens alot xD)  then they like to carry their conflict everywhere.

    The Dominion wars introduced with 2.0 supports absolutely the importance of this difference as the rightfull one.
  • LoktofeitLoktofeit Member RarePosts: 14,247
    farbege said:
    Loktofeit said:
    This type of behaviour in a PvE zone is what led to the disappearance of player-to-player CD long ago. 

    Also, it's hard to call this PVP. If it was in a PVP zone or if it served a purpose other than to annoy caravans, I'd call it PVP. This seems like griefing and little else. 

    Its not a PvE zone it is a faction controlled zone, Nuian in case of west zones . This is an important difference.

    If the faction is divided and guilds within oppose each other (which happens alot xD)  then they like to carry their conflict everywhere.

    The Dominion wars introduced with 2.0 supports absolutely the importance of this difference as the rightfull one.
    Ok, maybe the game has changed since I last played, but I distinctly remember zones where you could not attack your own faction. If that's no longer the case then that's an interesting change. 

    There isn't a "right" or "wrong" way to play, if you want to use a screwdriver to put nails into wood, have at it, simply don't complain when the guy next to you with the hammer is doing it much better and easier. - Allein
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  • filmoretfilmoret Member EpicPosts: 4,906
    farbege said:
    Herase said:
    simplius said:
    yeah, sounds like poorly implemented collision. like in Ultima where people would wall-in other peoples house entrance.

    and, to answer the pool: it IS pvp, just one-sided. obviously, not much fun.

    one sided PVP? that would be PVnothing

    i guess those nothings took a big chunk of trions income with them, when they left the game

    apparantly , it took them a year to realize this

    But even then the players griefing aren't pvping, they're putting up blockades then afking. There's no pvp occurring at any point.

    Where did any PvP occur during the blockade of Cuba 1963 ?  xD

    Blockade is targeted at economy  it doesn't have to lead to combat and actual military fights.

    Its a offensive economic warfare strategy.

     

     
    That has to be the most horrible logic I ever heard of.  Try standing at the doorway to mcdonalds and holding your  arms out trying to peacefully keep people from entering or exiting.  See how long it takes for someone to remove you violently.  Not to mention that these people are doing this to their own nation and not being flagged as criminals for such activity.  After someone wups your ass at mcdonalds you will then go to jail and be called a criminal according to our nation.  The pve blockades in archeage are a joke.
    Are you onto something or just on something?
  • simpliussimplius Member UncommonPosts: 1,134
    Herase said:
    simplius said:
    yeah, sounds like poorly implemented collision. like in Ultima where people would wall-in other peoples house entrance.

    and, to answer the pool: it IS pvp, just one-sided. obviously, not much fun.

    one sided PVP? that would be PVnothing

    i guess those nothings took a big chunk of trions income with them, when they left the game

    apparantly , it took them a year to realize this

    But even then the players griefing aren't pvping, they're putting up blockades then afking. There's no pvp occurring at any point.

    if the economy was player driven like EVEs there could be some meta PVP aspects

    but it isnt, so its just griefing

    the devs have finally realized this too, prolly with some motivation from the suits

    when the cash flow dries up, they will act, because they HAVE to

  • simpliussimplius Member UncommonPosts: 1,134
    farbege said:
    Herase said:
    simplius said:
    yeah, sounds like poorly implemented collision. like in Ultima where people would wall-in other peoples house entrance.

    and, to answer the pool: it IS pvp, just one-sided. obviously, not much fun.

    one sided PVP? that would be PVnothing

    i guess those nothings took a big chunk of trions income with them, when they left the game

    apparantly , it took them a year to realize this

    But even then the players griefing aren't pvping, they're putting up blockades then afking. There's no pvp occurring at any point.

    Where did any PvP occur during the blockade of Cuba 1963 ?  xD

    Blockade is targeted at economy  it doesn't have to lead to combat and actual military fights.

    Its a offensive economic warfare strategy.

     

     


    Cuba blockade took us to the brink of WW3, the only reason it didnt happen, was because

    MOST PEOPLE DIDNT WANT A NUCLEAR WAR

    furthermore, that was a state blockade..not a bunch of griefers VS the rest of the world

    by your definition, i can block the street to your house, and you cant do a damn thing

    about it

  • farbegefarbege Member UncommonPosts: 305
    edited October 2015

    simplius said:
    farbege said:
    Herase said:
    simplius said:
    yeah, sounds like poorly implemented collision. like in Ultima where people would wall-in other peoples house entrance.

    and, to answer the pool: it IS pvp, just one-sided. obviously, not much fun.

    one sided PVP? that would be PVnothing

    i guess those nothings took a big chunk of trions income with them, when they left the game

    apparantly , it took them a year to realize this

    But even then the players griefing aren't pvping, they're putting up blockades then afking. There's no pvp occurring at any point.

    Where did any PvP occur during the blockade of Cuba 1963 ?  xD

    Blockade is targeted at economy  it doesn't have to lead to combat and actual military fights.

    Its a offensive economic warfare strategy.

     

     


    Cuba blockade took us to the brink of WW3, the only reason it didnt happen, was because

    MOST PEOPLE DIDNT WANT A NUCLEAR WAR

    furthermore, that was a state blockade..not a bunch of griefers VS the rest of the world

    by your definition, i can block the street to your house, and you cant do a damn thing

    about it

    i admit i was the one bringing in real world reference which can be difficult.

    But even if my example wasn't good the point is.

    There is no "PvE zone" per se in Archeage at least not anymore.

    Trion bought in bridges for alternative routes and introduced wars within faction controlled areas.

    Thats a very good solution to this situation.
        

  • TalonsinTalonsin Member EpicPosts: 3,619
    PVP implies a fight between two players.  Cart blocking in a peace zone is not PVP because the person being blocked is not allowed to attack you.  Stopping another person from enjoying the game and giving him no way to defend himself is griefing, not pvp.

    If you cart block in a PVP zone then yes it is pvp because the guy on the cart has the option to whip your butt.  In peace zones there is no option to do anything
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  • MothanosMothanos Member UncommonPosts: 1,910
    Dominion is a solid option, but then again most of those cowards are in level 1 or 2 guilds that cannot be forced to a dominion.


  • SovrathSovrath Member LegendaryPosts: 26,411
    farbege said:
    Herase said:
    simplius said:
    yeah, sounds like poorly implemented collision. like in Ultima where people would wall-in other peoples house entrance.

    and, to answer the pool: it IS pvp, just one-sided. obviously, not much fun.

    one sided PVP? that would be PVnothing

    i guess those nothings took a big chunk of trions income with them, when they left the game

    apparantly , it took them a year to realize this

    But even then the players griefing aren't pvping, they're putting up blockades then afking. There's no pvp occurring at any point.

    Where did any PvP occur during the blockade of Cuba 1963 ?  xD

    Blockade is targeted at economy  it doesn't have to lead to combat and actual military fights.

    Its a offensive economic warfare strategy.

     

     
    While I completely agree with you, the issue here is that it's in a pve zone and forces a "pvp" situation (if I can remember from the start of the thread).

    The issue here is that players who are "pve" players are not interested in pvp situations and would prefer a "pve" solution. At least during those times the zone is in "pve" mode.



  • simpliussimplius Member UncommonPosts: 1,134
    farbege said:

    simplius said:
    farbege said:
    Herase said:
    simplius said:
    yeah, sounds like poorly implemented collision. like in Ultima where people would wall-in other peoples house entrance.

    and, to answer the pool: it IS pvp, just one-sided. obviously, not much fun.

    one sided PVP? that would be PVnothing

    i guess those nothings took a big chunk of trions income with them, when they left the game

    apparantly , it took them a year to realize this

    But even then the players griefing aren't pvping, they're putting up blockades then afking. There's no pvp occurring at any point.

    Where did any PvP occur during the blockade of Cuba 1963 ?  xD

    Blockade is targeted at economy  it doesn't have to lead to combat and actual military fights.

    Its a offensive economic warfare strategy.

     

     


    Cuba blockade took us to the brink of WW3, the only reason it didnt happen, was because

    MOST PEOPLE DIDNT WANT A NUCLEAR WAR

    furthermore, that was a state blockade..not a bunch of griefers VS the rest of the world

    by your definition, i can block the street to your house, and you cant do a damn thing

    about it

    i admit i was the one bringing in real world reference which can be difficult.

    But even if my example wasn't good the point is.

    There is no "PvE zone" per se in Archeage at least not anymore.

    Trion bought in bridges for alternative routes and introduced wars within faction controlled areas.

    Thats a very good solution to this situation.
        

    AFAIK, they have "safe zones"..which Arent really safe

    so, why not call them something else?

    trion are all over the place with their rules, and when  they chose to enforce them

    i have never seen so much flip-flopping by any devs

  • BloodaxesBloodaxes Member RarePosts: 4,034
    edited October 2015
    There ARE pve zones for those people or guilds that don't get their guild over 3.

    Blocking people from doing trade runs while they being unable to strike back is NOT pvp. It's simply going around the game's rules and that is why trion now can ban you for doing it.

    That is like saying after a zone that was in war, goes to peace (You can't attack even other faction), you can block people from doing trade runs in the zone because it's "pvp" eventough you gain nothing but wasting people's time from it.

  • filmoretfilmoret Member EpicPosts: 4,906

    I normally don't spend much time on Archeage forums because the people who stayed are the ones who actually like how it is being ran.  But every once in a while I stop by to see whats happening and posted this.  It will be funny to see how the players respond.

    http://forums.archeagegame.com/showthread.php?243304-What-the-players-you-lost-think-about-blockades.&p=2065802#post2065802


    The reason I care is because there was such high hopes for this game and yes it could have easily been one of the best mmorpg's.

    Are you onto something or just on something?
  • LoktofeitLoktofeit Member RarePosts: 14,247
    edited October 2015
    farbege said:


    There is no "PvE zone" per se in Archeage at least not anymore.


    According to this post from a week ago there is: 
    http://forums.archeagegame.com/showthread.php?240274-TRION-Blocking-entrances-in-PVE-zones 

    So is the situation here that they don't know what they are talking about or, more likely, you are hoping that we don't know?

    There isn't a "right" or "wrong" way to play, if you want to use a screwdriver to put nails into wood, have at it, simply don't complain when the guy next to you with the hammer is doing it much better and easier. - Allein
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  • KilrainKilrain Member RarePosts: 1,177
    Technically it's probably pvp considering it's a player doing something against another player, but this is pure griefing as it has 0 consequences to the person doing it and there's nothing you can do about it. If they want to consider it viable pvp, then they need to implement a counter measure. Until then, they're just acting like little kids wanting to be bullies. Childish.
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