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Star Citizen Employees Speak Out on Project Woes!

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  • Axllow18Axllow18 Member UncommonPosts: 398
    Brenics said:

    That is all fine and great, but CR needs to be removed and records need to be shown if he did embezzle any funds. Heck Maybe he didn't but his wife did. It is time to put up or shut up CR. Let your brother run the show and get it all worked out.

    But people still need to follow the money.

    I disagree with ya on this one. We don't have any evidence that Roberts has done anything wrong at this point in time. Aside from missing deadlines, which is incredibly common in both game and tech development, what has CIG done that warrants Roberts stepping down that we have evidence for?

    At this point all we have is hearsay and assumption, and the one source that has been constant in all of this (Derek Smart) is a competing developer who has not shown any proof of his claims either.

    This is the biggest issue at current; all of this is just pointless noise until someone actually brings something tangible to the table.

    But it has been fucking hilarious to watch it all go down, I'll grant you that.
  • MrSnufflesMrSnuffles Member UncommonPosts: 1,117
    Rusque said:
    Distopia said:
    Iselin said:
    Distopia said:

    Committing fraud (scamming) is already a crime, that's the worst that can happen, and there are laws to protect against it. Hence all the hoopla right now CR and crew are facing.. So what more regulation is needed?



    Oh I don't know... mandatory quarterly financial reports for any KS project over 100K? Too much to ask for?
    Aside from the fact that I'm not a fan of over regulation on what is essentially a private affair between donor and recipient. What good would that really do? Most wouldn't know what they're looking at, secondly most wouldn't understand half the expenses in relation to a Dev studio, that would cause more confusion than we see now IMO.

    Being a private business is a choice companies make, a funding source is a funding source like any other. Be it private donation private investor or public investment. You're essentially stripping a company of choice on how to do business. One that is afforded to any other company in the US as far as I am aware..
    I don't think there is a need for regulation. This is already covered with standard charity donations. If the recipient uses the funds for anything else than what the donors gave it for then they will be accountable for it and possibly go to jail.

    With CIG it is also covered by standard federal commerce laws because people are not donating they are buying ships in an online store. So a product is sold and if that product is not delivered then it is fraud.

    They have a separate section for "pledges" a.k.a. donations. The Shop is just that, an online shop where you buy virtual items not a donation.

    Of cause this would go to court and the outcome is unknown but the facts are that ship sales, merchandise and other digital items are not donations.


    How is asking a business to provide financial reports considered regulation? Nothing is being regulated. You even state that if charitable funds are used for something other than their expressed purposed then they will be accountable for it . . . how? How can someone be accountable for something if they're not required to, at minimum, provide regular reports on how funds are being allocated?

    This doesn't have to come from the government, Kickstarter could easily add a clause that states any project funded at X number of dollars must inform donors how money is being used.

    I don't think simply explaining to people that crowdfunding is a donation and not an investment will change anything. I'm pretty sure most understand that. What they don't understand is how much game/product development costs. That's where the issue is and transparent accounting would greatly help people to realize when something is underfunded or unrealistic.

    Right now, someone slaps up a crowdfunding project and says, "We need X money to make this amazing idea!" And people throw money at it without any idea of whether or not the requested amount will be enough. Even the best developers can't pull magic out of their butts, running any business is expensive. There is no way to educate everyone on all matters regarding operating a business, so the next best thing is asking large projects to share their financials. They should be producing those reports anyway, so there wouldn't be additional effort on their part beyond uploading a pdf to their site and saying, "Here you go" - and if they're not creating these reports, then you can pretty much guarantee they have no clue what they're doing.

    Despite this request having nothing to do with regulation, people really need to get over the idea that "regulations are bad" - some regulations are bad, others are good. Regulations are neutral, they're a tool and sometimes they function to benefit business and sometimes not, and sometimes they serve to benefit the consumer, something people rarely appreciate until they live in a place in which those regulations don't exist - like, elevators must have XYZ safety mechanism, or, children's toys are not allowed to have lead in them and if you include malware on your USB devices you will be fined and possibly shut down.
    I agree with you. I think you misunderstood what i was saying. There is no need for additional regulation because it is already covered. It has just not been tried in court. No one has ever enforced the existing regulations. 

    I think the regulations need to come from the government not from Kickstarter. You can't leave this in the hands of one Crowd funding platform because that would only cover Kickstarter. There needs to be a general ruling for any kind of crowdfunding/donation based project.

    One could be to produce quarterly or yearly financial reports.
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  • BrenicsBrenics Member RarePosts: 1,939
    Axllow18 said:
    Brenics said:

    That is all fine and great, but CR needs to be removed and records need to be shown if he did embezzle any funds. Heck Maybe he didn't but his wife did. It is time to put up or shut up CR. Let your brother run the show and get it all worked out.

    But people still need to follow the money.

    I disagree with ya on this one. We don't have any evidence that Roberts has done anything wrong at this point in time. Aside from missing deadlines, which is incredibly common in both game and tech development, what has CIG done that warrants Roberts stepping down that we have evidence for?

    At this point all we have is hearsay and assumption, and the one source that has been constant in all of this (Derek Smart) is a competing developer who has not shown any proof of his claims either.

    This is the biggest issue at current; all of this is just pointless noise until someone actually brings something tangible to the table.

    But it has been fucking hilarious to watch it all go down, I'll grant you that.

    One thing from the first game he worked on everyone agrees with he is a great visionary, but sucks at running a company and needs someone to tell him what works and don't work. I can just imagine what he has done with all the cash and put it in places it should never have gone.
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  • Saxx0nSaxx0n PR/Brand Manager BitBox Ltd.Member UncommonPosts: 999
    edited October 2015
    Brenics said:

    That is all fine and great, but CR needs to be removed and records need to be shown if he did embezzle any funds. Heck Maybe he didn't but his wife did. It is time to put up or shut up CR. Let your brother run the show and get it all worked out.

    But people still need to follow the money.

    An anonymous source told me you have not been paying your taxes. We are going to freeze your bank account and all assets until an investigation into your finances is completed to see if this is the case. Let your mom run the show until we get it all worked out.

    Of course just an example. Are you ok with this course of action?

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  • TsaboHavocTsaboHavoc Member UncommonPosts: 435
    laserit said:

    Nice too read some logical arguments.


    So.... an honest question:


    What should a company that is honestly trying to complete a crowdfunded project ethically do when the funds start to dry up?

    huh..... sell more concept arts of ships?
  • ExcessionExcession Member RarePosts: 709
    laserit said:
    Nice too read some logical arguments.

    So.... an honest question: 

    What should a company that is honestly trying to complete a crowdfunded project ethically do when the funds start to dry up?
    To start with, an official announcement to all backers explaining the situation, include some information about how they intend to attract more funding, perhaps an apology for the delay that the lack of funds will create, and finish with a statement that they will do everything they possibly can to fulfil any and all obligations they have to existing backers.




    That might be a good way to go.

    A creative person is motivated by the desire to achieve, not the desire to beat others.

  • ThourneThourne Member RarePosts: 757
    Excession said:
    laserit said:
    Nice too read some logical arguments.

    So.... an honest question: 

    What should a company that is honestly trying to complete a crowdfunded project ethically do when the funds start to dry up?
    To start with, an official announcement to all backers explaining the situation, include some information about how they intend to attract more funding, perhaps an apology for the delay that the lack of funds will create, and finish with a statement that they will do everything they possibly can to fulfil any and all obligations they have to existing backers.




    That might be a good way to go.
    Sure sounds like a good way to go to me.
  • MrSnufflesMrSnuffles Member UncommonPosts: 1,117
    Saxx0n said:
    Brenics said:

    That is all fine and great, but CR needs to be removed and records need to be shown if he did embezzle any funds. Heck Maybe he didn't but his wife did. It is time to put up or shut up CR. Let your brother run the show and get it all worked out.

    But people still need to follow the money.

    An anonymous source told me you have not been paying your taxes. We are going to freeze your bank account and all assets until an investigation into your finances is completed to see if this is the case. Let your mom run the show until we get it all worked out.

    Of course just an example. Are you ok with this course of action?

    You are confusing anonymous source with "anonymized". The sources of The Escapist are not anonymous. They are known and confirmed ex-employees that asked not to be named in person.

    There is a HUGE difference between that and what you used as an example.

    If the IRS has a confirmed source with possible access to your financial information saying you falsified your tax records they will investigate and then freeze your assets. Nothing crazy about that.
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  • SedrynTyrosSedrynTyros Member EpicPosts: 2,924
    Saxx0n said:
    Brenics said:

    That is all fine and great, but CR needs to be removed and records need to be shown if he did embezzle any funds. Heck Maybe he didn't but his wife did. It is time to put up or shut up CR. Let your brother run the show and get it all worked out.

    But people still need to follow the money.

    An anonymous source told me you have not been paying your taxes. We are going to freeze your bank account and all assets until an investigation into your finances is completed to see if this is the case. Let your mom run the show until we get it all worked out.

    Of course just an example. Are you ok with this course of action?

    You are confusing anonymous source with "anonymized". The sources of The Escapist are not anonymous. They are known and confirmed ex-employees that asked not to be named in person.

    There is a HUGE difference between that and what you used as an example.

    If the IRS has a confirmed source with possible access to your financial information saying you falsified your tax records they will investigate and then freeze your assets. Nothing crazy about that.
    Do the sources the Escapist used have access to CIG's financial information?  That would certainly change things if they did but I haven't seen an indication that is the case, which makes Saxx0n's analogy valid whereas yours is not.
  • BMBenderBMBender Member UncommonPosts: 827
     

    Do the sources the Escapist used have access to CIG's financial information?  That would certainly change things if they did but I haven't seen an indication that is the case, which makes Saxx0n's analogy valid whereas yours is not.
    This ^ CIG could have made a solid argument in both the Rebuttal and C&D letters that no vetting was done to verify the people making the allegations were in position to actually see the relevant info.   Unfortunately they took a different tack

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  • n3v3rriv3rn3v3rriv3r Member UncommonPosts: 496
    edited October 2015
    @Erillion

     Imho you can respond with a link or at least in one post.

  • ErillionErillion Member EpicPosts: 9,938
    Presenting facts is obnoxious ? 

    We are speaking about CIG employees here in this thread. Administratively they are now reporting to Erin Roberts. Erin Roberts qualifications were called questionable. I listed his qualifications. Based on the information presented personally i consider Erin Roberts to be qualified to lead these employees. In a professional manner and not in the way described by disgruntled ex employees with an axe to grind. 

    Someone else may have a different opinion based on the information i presented. 

    Have fun
  • ErillionErillion Member EpicPosts: 9,938
    @Erillion

     Imho you can respond with a link or at least in one post.

    The links show a lot of other information not relevant to this thread. So i cut and pasted the relevant part.

    Due to the new rather restrictive post length limits the information had to be split into three parts

    Have fun
  • n3v3rriv3rn3v3rriv3r Member UncommonPosts: 496
    Erillion said:
    Presenting facts is obnoxious ? 

    We are speaking about CIG employees here in this thread. Administratively they are now reporting to Erin Roberts. Erin Roberts qualifications were called questionable. I listed his qualifications. Based on the information presented personally i consider Erin Roberts to be qualified to lead these employees. In a professional manner and not in the way described by disgruntled ex employees with an axe to grind. 

    Someone else may have a different opinion based on the information i presented. 

    Have fun

    You can write it in one post not in 3 posts marked with big letters and is practically just verbatim copy from imdb. Yes I call it obnoxious.

  • KefoKefo Member EpicPosts: 4,229
    BMBender said:
     

    Do the sources the Escapist used have access to CIG's financial information?  That would certainly change things if they did but I haven't seen an indication that is the case, which makes Saxx0n's analogy valid whereas yours is not.
    This ^ CIG could have made a solid argument in both the Rebuttal and C&D letters that no vetting was done to verify the people making the allegations were in position to actually see the relevant info.   Unfortunately they took a different tack
    Except they didn't with makes everyone suspicious as to why they didn't just address the claims. For all we know it could be someone higher up who has a pretty good idea of where the financials stand, opposite could also be true of a night cleaner who would have no idea lol.
  • IselinIselin Member LegendaryPosts: 13,296
    Kefo said:
    BMBender said:
     

    Do the sources the Escapist used have access to CIG's financial information?  That would certainly change things if they did but I haven't seen an indication that is the case, which makes Saxx0n's analogy valid whereas yours is not.
    This ^ CIG could have made a solid argument in both the Rebuttal and C&D letters that no vetting was done to verify the people making the allegations were in position to actually see the relevant info.   Unfortunately they took a different tack
    Except they didn't with makes everyone suspicious as to why they didn't just address the claims. For all we know it could be someone higher up who has a pretty good idea of where the financials stand, opposite could also be true of a night cleaner who would have no idea lol.
    You'd be surprised how much cleaners know :)

    But yeah, as far as we know one of the sources could be Mayberry himself.
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  • DistopiaDistopia Member EpicPosts: 21,182
    Iselin said:
    Distopia said:
    Iselin said:
    Distopia said:

    Committing fraud (scamming) is already a crime, that's the worst that can happen, and there are laws to protect against it. Hence all the hoopla right now CR and crew are facing.. So what more regulation is needed?



    Oh I don't know... mandatory quarterly financial reports for any KS project over 100K? Too much to ask for?
    Aside from the fact that I'm not a fan of over regulation on what is essentially a private affair between donor and recipient. What good would that really do? Most wouldn't know what they're looking at, secondly most wouldn't understand half the expenses in relation to a Dev studio, that would cause more confusion than we see now IMO.

    Being a private business is a choice companies make, a funding source is a funding source like any other. Be it private donation private investor or public investment. You're essentially stripping a company of choice on how to do business. One that is afforded to any other company in the US as far as I am aware..
    So "over regulation" is a bad thing? No shit, Sherlock. Otherwise it wouldn't be called "over." What about "under regulation?" Are you equally not a fan of that? 

    Apparently you buy into the corporate narrative that everything would be just hunky-dory if those evil regulators would just leave us the fuck alone. Can't blame you though since that's the core message fed to you by corporations, government and the media in your brave new manipulated world.

    And please, "most wouldn't understand"? You're saying a lot there about your education system but whatever... there are enough who would understand it and could explain it in tiny twitter bite-sized language to their dimmer cousins.

    Transparency is a good thing... or has your confidence about that basic fact been undermined as well?
    My point was this is an agreement between two parties, there are avenues available to seek if one side fails to live up to their part of the bargain. Anything more is stepping into grounds of denying a company to operate as any other does.

    What does my education system have fuck all to do with understanding the costs and needs associated with game production? I wasn't referring to an ability to see if they are in the red or black, I'm referring to everyday costs, that none of those on the outside really ever hear nor see. Like I said I see it creating more confusion/drama than we see now.

    Gotta love how hostile you sound though lol.



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  • laseritlaserit Member LegendaryPosts: 6,211
    Brenics said:

    That is all fine and great, but CR needs to be removed and records need to be shown if he did embezzle any funds. Heck Maybe he didn't but his wife did. It is time to put up or shut up CR. Let your brother run the show and get it all worked out.

    But people still need to follow the money.

    Be logical here. Embezzlement is a very serious criminal charge. You have to have some hard evidence. Not just rumors and hear/say. 


    It would take some damning official company documents to start surfacing to even consider such a thing.


     Lucky for us, in this western world we live in, we are innocent until proven guilty. A lot of people have given their lives over the centuries to give us these rights. Rights that can be torn down in an instant if society is not careful.

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  • MrSnufflesMrSnuffles Member UncommonPosts: 1,117
    laserit said:
    Brenics said:

    That is all fine and great, but CR needs to be removed and records need to be shown if he did embezzle any funds. Heck Maybe he didn't but his wife did. It is time to put up or shut up CR. Let your brother run the show and get it all worked out.

    But people still need to follow the money.

    Be logical here. Embezzlement is a very serious criminal charge. You have to have some hard evidence. Not just rumors and hear/say. 


    It would take some damning official company documents to start surfacing to even consider such a thing.


     Lucky for us, in this western world we live in, we are innocent until proven guilty. A lot of people have given their lives over the centuries to give us these rights. Rights that can be torn down in an instant if society is not careful.

    Again, as far as we know the sources of the Escapist are not rumors or hearsay.

    If the Escapist interviewed someone that knows someone that worked at CIG then it would be hersay. That is not the case.

    It would not even need evidence if these sources repeated the allegations under oath. An investigation would be started automatically since some of these are federal crimes.

    Unfortunately innocent until proven guilty does not exist in the US any more neither does Habeas Corpus. Both have been removed by the Patriot Act.
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  • BMBenderBMBender Member UncommonPosts: 827
    edited October 2015
    laserit said:
    Brenics said:

    That is all fine and great, but CR needs to be removed and records need to be shown if he did embezzle any funds. Heck Maybe he didn't but his wife did. It is time to put up or shut up CR. Let your brother run the show and get it all worked out.

    But people still need to follow the money.

    Be logical here. Embezzlement is a very serious criminal charge. You have to have some hard evidence. Not just rumors and hear/say. 


    It would take some damning official company documents to start surfacing to even consider such a thing.


     Lucky for us, in this western world we live in, we are innocent until proven guilty. A lot of people have given their lives over the centuries to give us these rights. Rights that can be torn down in an instant if society is not careful.

    Again, as far as we know the sources of the Escapist are not rumors or hearsay.

    If the Escapist interviewed someone that knows someone that worked at CIG then it would be hersay. That is not the case.

    It would not even need evidence if these sources repeated the allegations under oath. An investigation would be started automatically since some of these are federal crimes.

    Unfortunately innocent until proven guilty does not exist in the US any more neither does Habeas Corpus. Both have been removed by the Patriot Act.

    Actually as far as the financials "it was common knowledge" (direct quote) is in fact hearsay without supporting evidence.

    EDIT doesn't mean it's wrong, doesn't mean it's right either merely rumor.

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  • Broken.ArrowBroken.Arrow Member UncommonPosts: 84
    Axllow18 said:
    Loktofeit said:
    Axllow18 said:

    I'm still going to wait to see how this all pans out, but if there is DEFINITELY a flaw Roberts has, it is the inability to say "Ok. We have enough features now."

    Seriously. Chris needs someone to sit next to him and wait for that sparkle in his eye to start and then yell no at him and hit him with a rolled up paper.


    I don't know if that's a flaw or if it's just the nature of creative people like CR, Garriott, and other developers that create these amazing game worlds we play in. I wonder how many artists crap up what would have otherwise been a good painting, sculpture, or other work of art because they just went so overboard in their passion to make it the perfect masterpiece that it either never got finished or was just a big unweildy mess when it was done. 


    As an artist I can answer that for you: All the time.

    There is always a desire to put just a bit more time, just a bit more detail, more colors here, another line there, and in the end it looks worse. I've gotten hours into a model project just to scrap it all out of frustration just because a single detail always looked wrong.

    The irony being that the same attention to detail that makes a good artist is the same attention to detail that costs time and money to redo something that would have been just fine.
    I second this. 


    Without having someone hover over your shoulder and give you definite boundaries and fixed timelines, even a great artist might make a muck of things.

    It always starts with a little, then a little more, then maybe this thing here that thing there, wait I dint like that thing, lets redo that and put in this thing, but no lets change it back to compare it to the previous version and see which one of the two look good and then make a third version taking the best points from both of the older variants, but not before I change this part right here which I am not happy with, right after I redo...

    And before you know it, you have invested a shit ton of man hours on something you cant even happily call a final product. So you are met with a catch-22 where you either sink in more time and resources to 'fix' or let it stay as it is with that nagging voice at the back of your head telling you it's all gone to hell in a handbasket.



    This Chris Roberts needed some guidance from a managerial perspective right from the start. If his history has shown anything, it's that the man has got some skills in making games but no skills in running a company. Of course many of the faithful will disagree, but they are entitled to their opinions and I couldnt care less about what they think. 


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  • aRtFuLThinGaRtFuLThinG Member UncommonPosts: 1,384
    Erillion said:
    Erillion said:
    That is what brothers are for, no ? ;-)

    Seems to me Erin and Chris together are a good team.


    Have fun

    Yeah not really though... back in Origin Systems days it was really Richard Garriott and Warren Spector it seems that are the project managers, and they delivers.

    Erin was another creative guys, that's why Digital Anvil seems to suffer similar sort of problems when they were making Freelancer and Starlancer.
    Hmm, looking at Erin Roberts profiles (LinkedIn, MobyGames and IMDB)  i find very little evidence that he was "another of the creative guys". Yes, in his early career you see him working a bit on art.

    But at least for the last 10 years he almost exclusively worked in project/programme management (usually at Director level). Quite successfully it seems, as his games seem to have been quite profitable.

    He is the designer of Privateer series and the later Wing Commander games actually so seems to me he is one of the creative guys.

    Also, it is important to note that, while Digital Anvil did good and made good games, you might be negating the fact that they overran the project on Freelancer and Starlancer. Freelancer especially which the scope expanded so much so that they actually need Microsoft's money to finish it and overshoot by 3 years and 18 months. Microsoft pretty much have to reign them in on the scope.

    So while yes they are successful together (not saying otherwise), they also have a history of not so good project management. If you have studied project management you will know that project management is about Time and Scope as well, not just Deliverables. If it was just deliverables that you are counting then yet CR and ER is doing fine, but you are ignoring the Time and Scope part.

    Time and scope = resource required.


  • ErillionErillion Member EpicPosts: 9,938

    So while yes they are successful together (not saying otherwise), they also have a history of not so good project management. If you have studied project management you will know that project management is about Time and Scope as well, not just Deliverables. If it was just deliverables that you are counting then yet CR and ER is doing fine, but you are ignoring the Time and Scope part.

    Time and scope = resource required.


    Yes, I am aware of the Project Management Triangle. Its been my job for the last two decades.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_management_triangle

    I am not ignoring the things you mentioned. But you may want to take a closer look at the last 10 years of Erin Robert's successful project management career ... which had basically nothing to do with Wing Commander or Freelancer, but instead one successful LEGO computer game after the other. Maybe he just got better, learning from the mistakes he made early in his career ?

    In my opinion Erin knows what he is doing. And Chris knows what makes SC great - better than other games.

    I (personally) give them the time needed to prove it.


    Have fun
  • Saxx0nSaxx0n PR/Brand Manager BitBox Ltd.Member UncommonPosts: 999
    Saxx0n said:
    Brenics said:

    That is all fine and great, but CR needs to be removed and records need to be shown if he did embezzle any funds. Heck Maybe he didn't but his wife did. It is time to put up or shut up CR. Let your brother run the show and get it all worked out.

    But people still need to follow the money.

    An anonymous source told me you have not been paying your taxes. We are going to freeze your bank account and all assets until an investigation into your finances is completed to see if this is the case. Let your mom run the show until we get it all worked out.

    Of course just an example. Are you ok with this course of action?

    You are confusing anonymous source with "anonymized". The sources of The Escapist are not anonymous. They are known and confirmed ex-employees that asked not to be named in person.

    There is a HUGE difference between that and what you used as an example.

    If the IRS has a confirmed source with possible access to your financial information saying you falsified your tax records they will investigate and then freeze your assets. Nothing crazy about that.
    You missed the point.

    Regardless of the term used, there have been presently absolutely no credible facts or proof whatsoever to warrant or suggest "any" action. You missed the point of the fact that credible evidence or proof is needed to move forward with any type of action concerning forensic investigation, not use forensic investigation to possibly uncover a crime or wrongdoings.
  • aRtFuLThinGaRtFuLThinG Member UncommonPosts: 1,384
    Erillion said:

    Yes, I am aware of the Project Management Triangle. Its been my job for the last two decades.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_management_triangle

    I am not ignoring the things you mentioned. But you may want to take a closer look at the last 10 years of Erin Robert's successful project management career ... which had basically nothing to do with Wing Commander or Freelancer, but instead one successful LEGO computer game after the other. Maybe he just got better, learning from the mistakes he made early in his career ?

    In my opinion Erin knows what he is doing. And Chris knows what makes SC great - better than other games.

    I (personally) give them the time needed to prove it.

    I am not trying to say that you know nothing about project management I'm just saying that IF you know project management as I don't know your background... no need to paste link everywhere imo that doesn't help as I'm not even trying to debate you. I'm just making some comments here of what I see :)

    I think in terms of the LEGO games than you've mention, it is a valid point but it is also not a like-for-like comparsion though - because well those LEGO games might just be a job that needs done for him so he might care less.

    Whereas it is well known that the Roberts brothers loves space and space sims. It is their passion. It seems to me that they might be a bit over zealous about the details on those games because it is what they love. And the previous example of what happened to Freelancer and Starlancer seems to indicate that (beautiful game, way ahead of their time artistically when it was release even when it was late, however they were still significantly late on it).




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