@josko9 I couldn't agree more on how much better it feels when you are playing the game. Sure you cant use 400 skills like in WOW but you do have more control of the character and it has a much better feel. Tera also did a good job with their action combat. GW2 really needs to update.
@Malabooga considering GW2 is probably the best mmo ever created yes I will make a thread about once a year to see if they fixed this issue. Because I would love to come play this game again.
This is second this year, and nothing needs fixing. Defintely not downgrade to ESO. And definitiely not something so crappy as TERA.
Google "GW2 ICM" and install it. It makes combat work like ESO. You still have more skills of course.. but in no way is that ever a bad thing.
Ah I remember this subject last year someone said it wasn't legal software. Since I don't play the game I will try it and see what happens. I will give an update later to see if anet warns me about it.
GW2,ESO,TSW have the worst combat system in the recent mmorpg history,they are clunky,shallow and repetitive.
I don't know about TSW but GW2, ESO and Tera are in the top 3 of the best MMO combat systems ever. That is until a new MMO generation comes with a better combat system.
ESO is the reason why I just can't bring myself to play the badly outdated tab-targetting combat system. Don't get me wrong, tab-targetting (automatic dice-roll block,dodge luck system) was great 5+ years ago, but in 2015 it has no place in this genre anymore, not when the Action Combat is superior in every possible way.
30+ Skills on your bars when half of them or even more are duplicates with a different name is just not a good game design (WoW). Absurd CDs when CDs shouldn't even be in this genre anymore is even a worse game design (FFXIV). Seriously there is not a single thing that Tab-targetting does better over the Action Combat. Action Combat is more fun, it depends more on skill (not luck), it's more fluid, more dynamic and it also feels a lot more realistic. You actually feel like hitting something, and while doing that you also dodge-roll around and block or interrupt the attacks.
ESO is pretty much a soft tab target game as well, the same with GW2. Tera really is the only true action combat game of the 3, maybe Wildstar as well. Also, ESO combat is just plain horrible, it is clunky and boring with only the illusion of depth.
The single biggest problem I think gw2 has is how you need to hold down the RMB and further develop carpel tunnel to play the game, at least ESO allows mods without fear of being banned like in gw2. Mods like ICM in gw2 are use at your own risk and even if you send in a support ticket asking about it they give you the general tos reply and avoid answering if it is illegal or not. Mostly if you use it whether you get banned or not is at their discretion.
You would think a recent game like gw2 would have an option in game to be able to lock down the camera like in ddo and so many other games...there's no good excuse to not have this available.
I don't care about a game being tab target or action it shouldn't have to be uncomfortable or painful to actually play due to lack of control scheme options.
Brenics ~ Just to point out I do believe Chris Roberts is going down as the man who cheated backers and took down crowdfunding for gaming.
Ok just wanted to update that the ICM works very well and it has me playing this game again because of it. According to the rules it is legal because it does not alter game files in any way. If they banned this program they would have to ban all gaming mouse and keyboards as well.
Update: Glad it worked out for you. I use personal assistant overlay with no problems so far.
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Ok just wanted to update that the ICM works very well and it has me playing this game again because of it. According to the rules it is legal because it does not alter game files in any way. If they banned this program they would have to ban all gaming mouse and keyboards as well.
Many people use it and haven't been banned yes but in no official way is it "legal" even if you ask in the officail gw2 forum you will get a huge long thread with people arguing about this very thing and all Anet will do is quote:
ArenaNet cannot approve or review or “vet” any third-party programs.
Our general policy is that anything that gives advantage is forbidden;
anything that imbalances the game in favor of one player over another is
strictly disallowed. With that said, we are aware that some utilities
help players without impacting others, that is, they do not give anyone
an advantage over someone else.
Our development team is not able to review third-party programs to
assess their components or give them any sort of approval. We make our
policies clear in our User Agreement, Rules of Conduct, and the Conduct
Breaches and Outcomes document, which you can find in the Legal
Documentation section of our website: https://www.guildwars2.com/en/legal/ You should know the following:
If you chose to use any third-party program, you do so at your own risk.
We cannot offer support if the third-party program impacts Guild
Wars or Guild Wars 2 and, for instance, makes the game unplayable.
If you choose to use what you believe to be a “benign,” or
non-advantage-giving program, be sure to get it from a legitimate source
to protect yourself from the possible addition of cheats or
key-loggers.
The best way for a player to assess whether a specific third-party
program could have any impact on another player or a PvP opponent is to
ask:
“Does this program allow someone to play faster, better, longer, or more accurately than someone who doesn’t use it?”
“Does this program allow someone to ‘play’ when he/she is not at the computer?”
“Does this program allow the user to gain undeserved rewards?”
If the answer to any of these questions is “yes”—or even “maybe”—then
we strongly recommend that you do not use the program because to do so
may place your Guild Wars or Guild Wars 2 account in jeopardy.
In the future, we will be working directly with the community to
develop app support for Guild Wars 2, so stay tuned for more info!
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I even sent in a support ticket with the question and the sent that quote back.
Brenics ~ Just to point out I do believe Chris Roberts is going down as the man who cheated backers and took down crowdfunding for gaming.
GW2 fanboi Propaganda and you know it. I found nothing wrong in particular with GW2 combat, but to call it "deeper" than Wow is absurd. it's about the same only with less skills/cds to worry about and more movement.
Now Playing: Bless / Summoners War Looking forward to: Crowfall / Lost Ark / Black Desert Mobile
GW2 fanboi Propaganda and you know it. I found nothing wrong in particular with GW2 combat, but to call it "deeper" than Wow is absurd. it's about the same only with less skills/cds to worry about and more movement.
You should probably watch the video before calling him a fanboy.
I felt GW2 combat lacked a feeling of weight and impact behind weapon swings and movement. Other than that I didn't have a problem with it, but the build customization didn't appeal to me and those two things were enough for me to move on.
GW2 fanboi Propaganda and you know it. I found nothing wrong in particular with GW2 combat, but to call it "deeper" than Wow is absurd. it's about the same only with less skills/cds to worry about and more movement.
Yah, GW2 needs more skill, movement nad strategy. Other than that they are basically same thing.
GW2 fanboi Propaganda and you know it. I found nothing wrong in particular with GW2 combat, but to call it "deeper" than Wow is absurd. it's about the same only with less skills/cds to worry about and more movement.
Yah, GW2 needs more skill, movement nad strategy. Other than that they are basically same thing.
Enter pvp and play a few matches. PVP mode in GW2 everyone has equal gear so only skill is involved in the match. Now that you have been mercilessly slaughtered by another player. You will realize there is a lot of skill involved in this game which is why you keep dying and never kill anyone. Funny that people who are actually good at this game never claim it needs more skill and strategy.
I think the two most engaging combat mmo's I've played are Wildstar and Tera. The rest all feel lacking. A mmo is not all about the combat, but keeping a player having fun while engaged in it does definitely go a long way.
My opinion is my own. I respect all other opinions and views equally, but keep in mind that my opinion will always be the best for me. That's why it's my opinion.
GW2 fanboi Propaganda and you know it. I found nothing wrong in particular with GW2 combat, but to call it "deeper" than Wow is absurd. it's about the same only with less skills/cds to worry about and more movement.
You can disregard the text (which is not mine). The video does the talk. What is better or even important will be personal taste.
Currently playing: GW2 Going cardboard starter kit: Ticket to ride, Pandemic, Carcassonne, Dominion, 7 Wonders
Google "GW2 ICM" and install it. It makes combat work like ESO. You still have more skills of course.. but in no way is that ever a bad thing.
Ah I remember this subject last year someone said it wasn't legal software. Since I don't play the game I will try it and see what happens. I will give an update later to see if anet warns me about it.
I've used it for years and nothing is ever done about it. Thousands of people use it. They don't care about this control mod.. it does nothing more than toggle right mouse button, centre the mouse pointer when toggled and swap some key bindings onto your mouse if you want to (which most modern mice can do on their own anyway).
Plus, they'd warn you with a 24 hour suspend if they have a problem with it so there's no risk of losing your account if you stop using it 'if' that happened.. which it won't.
I don't suffer from insanity, I enjoy every minute of it.
GW2,ESO,TSW have the worst combat system in the recent mmorpg history,they are clunky,shallow and repetitive.
I don't know about TSW but GW2, ESO and Tera are in the top 3 of the best MMO combat systems ever. That is until a new MMO generation comes with a better combat system.
ESO is the reason why I just can't bring myself to play the badly outdated tab-targetting combat system. Don't get me wrong, tab-targetting (automatic dice-roll block,dodge luck system) was great 5+ years ago, but in 2015 it has no place in this genre anymore, not when the Action Combat is superior in every possible way.
30+ Skills on your bars when half of them or even more are duplicates with a different name is just not a good game design (WoW). Absurd CDs when CDs shouldn't even be in this genre anymore is even a worse game design (FFXIV). Seriously there is not a single thing that Tab-targetting does better over the Action Combat. Action Combat is more fun, it depends more on skill (not luck), it's more fluid, more dynamic and it also feels a lot more realistic. You actually feel like hitting something, and while doing that you also dodge-roll around and block or interrupt the attacks.
In ESO if you step away from the mob/player when the attack is started you'll get hit no matter how far you go,often with a ridiculous animation like the Scorpion harpoon in Mortal Kombat. ESO is a TAB targeting game just modified to fit better on consoles,GW2 has no free look and crossair but if you step away from an attack you can evade it if you get out of reach of the swing of the weapon,for this reason GW2 it's even better at this because when you swing a weapon you actually hit every enemy that stands in the range,in ESO you only hit the one targeted while the weapon simply go trought the other without arming them and this is the "badly outdated tab-targeting" my friend,also "automatic dice-roll block,dodge luck system" are there to decide how and when you do damage in ESO.
The 3 boded things are not remotely true man. I haven't hit tab for nearly a year now. All tab is in ESO is a highlight. If someone move in front you hit the front target.
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not reduced to having 5 skills and hellllllll that action combat can actually be done right as you will see
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Currently playing: GW2
Going cardboard starter kit: Ticket to ride, Pandemic, Carcassonne, Dominion, 7 Wonders
Currently playing: GW2
Going cardboard starter kit: Ticket to ride, Pandemic, Carcassonne, Dominion, 7 Wonders
You would think a recent game like gw2 would have an option in game to be able to lock down the camera like in ddo and so many other games...there's no good excuse to not have this available.
I don't care about a game being tab target or action it shouldn't have to be uncomfortable or painful to actually play due to lack of control scheme options.
Brenics ~ Just to point out I do believe Chris Roberts is going down as the man who cheated backers and took down crowdfunding for gaming.
"We all do the best we can based on life experience, point of view, and our ability to believe in ourselves." - Naropa "We don't see things as they are, we see them as we are." SR Covey
I even sent in a support ticket with the question and the sent that quote back.
Brenics ~ Just to point out I do believe Chris Roberts is going down as the man who cheated backers and took down crowdfunding for gaming.
Looking forward to: Crowfall / Lost Ark / Black Desert Mobile
You should probably watch the video before calling him a fanboy.
My opinion is my own. I respect all other opinions and views equally, but keep in mind that my opinion will always be the best for me. That's why it's my opinion.
What is better or even important will be personal taste.
Currently playing: GW2
Going cardboard starter kit: Ticket to ride, Pandemic, Carcassonne, Dominion, 7 Wonders
Or I don't count the bullshit pseudo-skills you get after level 20.
I've used it for years and nothing is ever done about it. Thousands of people use it. They don't care about this control mod.. it does nothing more than toggle right mouse button, centre the mouse pointer when toggled and swap some key bindings onto your mouse if you want to (which most modern mice can do on their own anyway).
Plus, they'd warn you with a 24 hour suspend if they have a problem with it so there's no risk of losing your account if you stop using it 'if' that happened.. which it won't.