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rush1984
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erm no holy trinity is destined to fail, my hype for this game just died 
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I played the game on korean servers on and off for x months now..
visually very nice game tho.. but heavy gear based and RNG..
So.. no thx :P
*easy gameplay
*action button mashing
*no community
*game is deserted after 2 weeks
I see all the telltale signs of a very bad MMO in Black Desert.
i totally agree with you. it seems they wanted to take on the heavy pvp niche path
But black deserts wizard/witch/valkry can act as healer/supporter
Blade and soul has no healer, but when you deal damages you can regen your hp back.
It makes games more immersives, you move more, and don't stay away throwing fireballs without moving ^^'
Dodge is the basics of these new games, you are not much heal, so don't take damages.
Killing a boss with heal is nice, but being able to kill one without a heal (as a dps) cause you know how to dodge and move is just sooooooo nice
Absence of heal just means another way to heal yourself, in Skyforge boss got several life bars and each bar drop life ball. In B&S you can insert gem on your weapon that sucks ennemy's life, and some skill regen life (just for a few class, the "tank" one ^^).
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Holy Trinity is all but holy, you made this holy and don't want anyone to touch it, but I think it's good to test new things, progress is allways nice, and if it doesn't work they will try something else or go back to this holy trinity.
Missing this holy days when this holy planet was still holy flat and we could fall if we were going to this holy border ^^'
I'm joking but innovation is not a bad thing. Ok there is no heal but in recent games such as BDO you came move smoothly than in all the old mmo... that's a good point.
I just played B&S and Skyforge and I find swtor gameplay totaly lame, and it has trinity (same for other games, i take risks : wow, aion, etc... ^^')
Sylann
They did it due to players hating the long waits for dungeons, the only people who should be honestly mad are people who like playing those roles...which is a minority.
Healer may be a minority but it is a very good role, often yelled at when everyone dies but when I succeed at maintaining everyone alive I'm far more proud of me as when i am just the dps killing the boss or the ennemy players.
I like healers, they save my life countless times, but I'm open to new ideas without them ^^
It is just a matter of design group oriented monsters that are not possible to be killed by one single player and L1 does it by controlling the HP regen of the monster.
An example: if your char is only capable of 50 damage per second, you cant kill a monster with 250 HP regen per second, only 6 players like you will kill it because 6*50 = 300 DPS > 250 HP/s. With this simple mechanic you can design monsters for solo, small and large groups and it has been working in L1 since 1998.
And as L1 is open pvp focused, your group-guild also needs to deal with other groups-guilds in the spot you are farming, not only with monsters.
And certainly no "action combat" to worry about"
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The lack of healer will keep me from playing this game. I do not see the point of a mmo if there is no party dependence. It is the same thing that killed gw2 for me nothing fun about a whole bunch of people playing dodge the aoe and zerging stuff down.
Actually quite the opposite. Trinity is easy mode with the tank being the only real threat to the mob. Not to mention your defense is solely dependent on the stats in your gear where you stand there and get hit like a log. Hell I can chat on the phone in a raid while the buttons light up and I wack a mole.
Having the timing and skill to dodge damage & to choose your combos wisely takes way more skill in an action combat model. As for a non-trinity group everyone's engaged in battle & it's way more immersive and you only have yourself to blame for not doing your part.
Despite this I like or dislike the two any better it's just a different way of doing things and different is good! It never ceases to amaze me how mmo gamers revel in the thought of a new title failing when you should hoping for something new and exciting.
Just because you don't like that combat model doesn't mean it doesn't exist or can't work.
Similarly, action combat detractors tend to emphasize zerg mechanics beyond all fairness--also not a necessary and inescapable design imperative.
To include dodging, healing, taunting, aiming, or any other key-press/camera movement mechanic does not in and of itself guarantee complexity or challenge in a game's combat encounters. These functions are merely small pieces of what we should all hope are large and intricate puzzles.
Every other example of a game that had no healers has lead to insanely awful PvE content.
I think developers are wanting to get away from healing for a couple of reasons. The first being that they want to stand out, and this is the current trendy way to do it. The second being that they do not understand how healing is fun, likely because they do not understand how good healers play. Timing boss hits, pre-casting heals, and preemptively HoTing players is fun. Games that do not require healers to do those things are just suffering from lazy design, not suffering from healing being boring. Healing is fun when it requires the healer to correctly see what is going to happen before it occurs, and that is what games should aim for.
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