Howdy, Stranger!

It looks like you're new here. If you want to get involved, click one of these buttons!

How Many Playing MMOs Today Would Still Play Them If They HAD To Pay?

VestigeGamerVestigeGamer Member UncommonPosts: 518
F2P is the buzzword of the decade.  Cash shops rule and most do not have "must have" items in them.  I'm curious, though, if players would still play their MMOs if they were asked to pay to play them.  Are they "worth" a charged fee?  Would you still log in?

VG

Best Answers

  • DamonDamon UncommonPosts: 170
    Answer ✓
    I prefer the subscription model. There are F2P games that I would not pay a subscription to play. However, I also don't play them when they are F2P. If the game is good enough, I'll play it (subscription or not).
  • BuccaneerBuccaneer UncommonPosts: 654
    Answer ✓
    It depends on the game.  At the moment I'm subbed to SWTOR and before that I was subbed to EQ2.  I enjoy the games and the small fee is worth lifting some of the restrictions.  Other games like AA and Neverwinter I wouldn't touch with a barge pole.
  • hallucigenocidehallucigenocide RarePosts: 1,003
    edited September 2015 Answer ✓
    if the fee wasn't unreasonable and i was enjoying the game sure i'd have no problem paying.
    Looking at MMOs you play right now (hopefully enjoying them), how would you answer?  For example, would you pay a $15 monthly fee?  Nothing expensive.
    if i was actively playing something atm then sure no problem. most of the games i've played have had a sub so it's not really anything new and strange to me.

    i normally play 1 game at a time. had i been like mister DMKano i might have had a different opinion.

    I had fun once, it was terrible.

  • KyleranKyleran LegendaryPosts: 34,384
    edited September 2015 Answer ✓
    I'm firmly in the pay for my games, Loktofeit said it was hardwired into my generation or something, and I think he's right, I've never really enjoyed a F2P game ever, except for a DAOC freeshard, and I still always felt like I should be donating them money or something.

    I am in the rare camp of only playing one MMORPG at a time (no other games) and having multiple accounts if it worthwhile to do so.  In DAOC back in the day I had 4 accounts, WOW I had 3 and currently in EVE I have 5 and am getting ready to open a 6th this weekend.

    Even more important, I don't PLEX my accounts, I pay cash, one year annual subs for all 5 accounts, though this new one will likely be month to month as I start out.

    So yes, I enjoy paying for my games, not even sure I can ever enjoy a F2P title.

    "See normal people, I'm not one of them" | G-Easy & Big Sean

    "I need to finish" - Christian Wolff: The Accountant

    Just trying to live long enough to play a new, released MMORPG, playing POE at the moment.

    Fools find no pleasure in understanding, but delight in airing their own opinions. Pvbs 18:2, NIV

    Don't just play games, inhabit virtual worlds™

    "This is the most intelligent, well qualified and articulate response to a post I have ever seen on these forums. It's a shame most people here won't have the attention span to read past the second line." - Anon






  • SalvadorbardSalvadorbard UncommonPosts: 100
    Answer ✓
    I have no issues paying to play for a quality game. I paid $30 a month to play Avalon for years and years before buying a lifetime. I sub to Wow, etc. I don't see what the big deal is paying $10-30 a month for unlimited hours entertainment. inb4 disappointing content. To that I say: If you don't like it, don't pay OR play!
  • VardahothVardahoth RarePosts: 1,472
    Answer ✓
    If it went back to pay to play model with no cash shops, i might actually start playing them again.

    I Quit.

    http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/thread/436845/page/1 -> http://forums.mmorpg.com/discussion/436845/what-killed-mmorpgs-for-you/p1

    http://forums.anandtech.com/showthread.php?t=2316034
    .............
    Retired Gamer: all MMORPG's have been destroyed by big business, marketing of false promises, unprofessional game makers, and a generation of "I WIN and GIVE ME NOW" (brought to you by pokeman).

  • RhoklawRhoklaw EpicPosts: 6,565
    Answer ✓
    I'm paying to play EQ2 right now on the new TLE server. A game made over a decade ago. Is it worth it? Hell yeah it is. EQ2, fresh start and likable community make for good gaming. There have been times in the past 10 years where I've paid $10-15 a month to play MuD games because I was so fed up with the lack of content depth and features in MMO's.

    F2P isn't going to bring better games to the MMO industry, but so long as we fail to understand that free to play means you get what you "don't" pay for, than I don't expect much from the MMO industry so long as F2P is the focus.

    Wildstar went F2P because of poor game design. ESO went F2P because it was designed for console and they ultimately decided not to force a double monthly charge to that customer base.

    If game developers focused more on keeping players attracted to their game, instead of worrying about them leaving to go play F2P games, than we might get somewhere. Problem now is the MMO market is flooded with F2P games with no meat and potatoes to keep anyone interested for more than 2-3 months at a time.

    Eventually this format will lose it's luster and some games will attempt to go back to subscription only. Simply because it improves the overall quality of the game and it's community.

  • TheocritusTheocritus EpicPosts: 7,084
    Answer ✓
    I paid for a handful of MMOs from 2000-2006.....I pretty much hit the wall at that point and decided I wasnt going to ever pay a monthly again......I spent way too much during that time span and now I just look for good free games or other options that arent so costly.
  • MadimorgaMadimorga UncommonPosts: 1,920
    edited September 2015 Answer ✓
    I keep TRYING to throw money at MMOs long term, but none hold my attention very long lately. I want to sub and stay subbed to one MMO for many happy years. I want to celebrate sappy anniversaries with touching, humorous gifts and mementos. I want to log in every day to stay connected and loaf around happily in my chosen game world's embrace. I want to enjoy the sweet, sweet reunion of a week apart after an internetless vacation.

    I want to feel the same love I felt for my first MMO without going back to my first MMO (poor decrepit, unkempt old thing). I want a healthy relationship with my cherished MMO, I truly enjoy the commitment, monogamy, and even a reasonable expense.  Alas, the newcomers are not worthy.  They are not worthy!

    Edit:  And why are they not worthy?:

    Because they are gold diggers!
    Because they are relentlessly shallow!
    Because they try to boss me around and control my every choice and movement and who I hang out with and who I don't!
    Because they are charmless copycats of each other who chase popularity rather than substance!
    Because they are overly influenced by people with degrees in psychology and with MBAs.

    image

    I am convinced there is only one way to eliminate these grave evils, namely through the establishment of a socialist economy, accompanied by an educational system which would be oriented toward social goals.

    ~Albert Einstein

  • WizardryWizardry LegendaryPosts: 16,560
    Answer ✓
    So happens the only two mmos i am playing are both subscription ...EQ2 FFXi.

    So there is no ifs ands it is happening right now.

    Never forget 3 mile Island and never trust a government official or company spokesman.

  • raven7680raven7680 UncommonPosts: 21
    Answer ✓
    I'm currently playing TERA and will definitely be subbing very soon. I prefer to sub to a game even when it is F2P. That said one of the nice things about there being so many F2P mmos I have the chance to try as many as I want and when one hooks me I make it my home.  :)

    Devilish Smile photo DevilishSmilejpg


  • rojoArcueidrojoArcueid EpicPosts: 10,073
    edited September 2015 Answer ✓
    I dont play a game because its free, i play it because i enjoy it. However, me enjoying a game does not mean i think it's worth a continuous subscription. On the other hand, i would totally buy the game if the company announce its becoming B2P with a smaller cash shop.




  • TyranusPrimeTyranusPrime UncommonPosts: 306
    Answer ✓
    I prefer a subscription-based game personally, as paying a sub is pretty much what I've done since the beginning of MMOs.. I just assume it as part of the cost of keeping my habit running and adding new content.. Mind you, I don't mind a free-to-play now and then, but I abhor item malls, so its always hit or miss with me.. :)

    ..because we're gamers, damn it!! - William Massachusetts (Log Horizon)

  • blackhawk432blackhawk432 UncommonPosts: 138
    Answer ✓
    I pay for most MMOs I play. Most time it is some sort of Sub, once in a while it's a cash shop coin card like TPs or CCs for example. I pay Prem for Wurm, pay for 2 accounts of LotRO, used to pay for SWTOR... but not anymore (Bioware you sank my Republic! No Soup for You!), I pay for the odds and ends MMOs I play every so often when I will play a MMO for a month or two or three. Soon an Indy project or two will be getting support from me as well, not because I think their MMOs are ready for prime time but to keep the creative wheels turning, and because I appreciate their efforts.

    I believe it is fitting and respectful to compensate others for providing something I enjoy, such as a MMO Service, thus I win and they win. I also show by paying subscriptions that I am not some selfish twit that cares about only myself.

    I am not a fan of Capitalism, far from it, but Devs don't make economic policy, they make games, and they need to eat like I do. Paying them for their work takes care of their needs as well as my own desires for good MMO entertainment.
    We need so many more people like you.

    *

    Now back on topic, currently only paying for Runescape but if a few of the F2P games that I play would go P2P I would pony up some money for them.

    Its easier to say no thanks to the big AAA titles but I'm much more careless with the indie games. They need the money to continue. 
  • DeivosDeivos EpicPosts: 3,692
    Answer ✓
    Considering I still do pay in many of them, I'd probably be ok with it.
  • skeaserskeaser UncommonPosts: 3,991
    Answer ✓
    I prefer paying. When I play an MMO with an optional sub, I sub.
  • KenFisherKenFisher UncommonPosts: 5,035
    Answer ✓
    I don't really have an answer.  Some I gladly pay for.  Others, no way.

    Depends on the game and the price.
  • ChrisboxChrisbox UncommonPosts: 1,729
    Answer ✓
    I've always played and supported sub based games, never dabbled with cash shops or b2p except for guild wars.  With a sub system in place you create a link with players/devs that gives immediate feedback.  Good patch comes out? Subs will rise.  Bad content comes out? Subs will fall.  
  • BMBenderBMBender UncommonPosts: 827
    edited September 2015 Answer ✓
    The payment model to me has always been less important than the return I get in game play for the $ I spend.  I have largely been disappointed in f2p games in this respect.  As some have stated already in this thread subs do offer an immediate and concrete form of feedback that spans your entire player base.  With f2p they all seem to devolve into some form of whale worship that works for a time untill there is no  population left other than whales; and once they have no one left to show how uber they are, then they leave.

    There is also the fact that a consistent revenue stream via subs lets a team budget more accurately in regards to re-investment than the often volitile nature of f2p revenue that often has wild swings week to week.  Even though often early in it's life f2p genrates more $ in absolute terms it's harder to budget around/predict quarter to quarter.  The afore mentioned whale phenomenon in f2p often masks the revenue feedback a sub game would get.  To often by the time an "issue" or series of them  raise to the level of affecting revenue the tide has already run it's course.  That uncertainty often leads to very conservative future spending on the game witch leads to a cycle of smaller and smaller content packages witch drive more people leaving witch drive even smaller re-investment.
  • JemcrystalJemcrystal UncommonPosts: 1,917
    Answer ✓
    Since most subs are $15 month I would rage quit.  But if someone charged $2 month and took out the Cash Shop completely then I would stay.  MMO with a shop and sub are greedy; it would have to come with it's own free game station for me to do that.
  • LoktofeitLoktofeit RarePosts: 14,247
    Answer ✓
    Loktofeit said:

    Currently playing and yearly subbed to Pirate 101.

    Is that the only MMO you play?
    Other than EVE, the only one I play regularly. 
  • RenfailRenfail RarePosts: 1,338
    Answer ✓
    I haven't stopped subbing since 1999. 

    Sometimes I pay for 3-5 subs at a time during a given month. The only times I don't sub are when I'm too busy with work or traveling. 

    Gaming is my hobby and passion. I'm more than happy to pay developers for their time, since it gives me endless hours of enjoyment. 

    I'm not a cheap entitlement brat. I'm more than happy to pay for my entertainment. 
  • fivorothfivoroth UncommonPosts: 3,916
    Answer ✓
    I pay for my games, I rarely have played any games where I don't spend any money on them lol. Money is not an issue.
  • SinsaiSinsai UncommonPosts: 402
    Answer ✓
    I always pay my way in life PERIOD.

    That goes for my entertainment as well.
  • Mixx86Mixx86 UncommonPosts: 5
    Answer ✓
    I am no parasite so I always pay, wheter I need to or not. If the game is good, they should get paid for their efforts. Right now I am running SWTOR, LOTRO and TSW. Good games all.
«13456

Answers

  • hallucigenocidehallucigenocide Member RarePosts: 1,003
    if the fee wasn't unreasonable and i was enjoying the game sure i'd have no problem paying.

    I had fun once, it was terrible.

  • VestigeGamerVestigeGamer Member UncommonPosts: 518
    if the fee wasn't unreasonable and i was enjoying the game sure i'd have no problem paying.
    Looking at MMOs you play right now (hopefully enjoying them), how would you answer?  For example, would you pay a $15 monthly fee?  Nothing expensive.

    VG

  • DMKanoDMKano Member LegendaryPosts: 21,581
    edited September 2015
    I spend way more than $15 a month on Trove so yes I'd pay to play it.



    On the flip side I spend $0 on ArcheAge because I buy patron with in game gold for 2 accounts. I would spend 30 a month - yes.

    The problem comes in for the other 10+ MMOS I fire up every month, that would become too expensive for me as I only play them for an hour or so every week unlike my main games.


    So it's a mixed bag for me - I certainly prefer the F2P model for its flexibility as it allows me to play more games for less. 

    It also allows me spend a lot more on games like Trove that I want to support financially. 

  • PepeqPepeq Member UncommonPosts: 1,977
    Ask the over 4 million WoW players that question.  They pay mostly out of habit.  These people have never played any other MMO and likely will never do so.  It really has little to do with the game in and of itself... it really has to do with the individual's choice of how to spend their free time. 
  • MisterZebubMisterZebub Member LegendaryPosts: 3,584
    I'd be playing absolutely zero MMOs currently if I had to pay a monthly fee. That said even without paying a monthly fee, with the exception of retrying Rift for about a week, I'm currently playing zero MMOs anyway.

    "You have kept me at your beck and call for fifteen years. I shall never again do what you demand of me. By every rule of single combat, from this moment your life belongs to me. Is that not correct? Then I shall simply declare you dead. In all of your dealings with me, you'll do me the courtesy to conduct yourself as a dead man. I have submitted to your notions of honor long enough. You will now submit to mine."

  • VestigeGamerVestigeGamer Member UncommonPosts: 518
    Thanks all for the insightful answers.  I made a mistake when posting by choosing the "Question" option.  Oops.

    The reason I asked was that instead of having a slightly fluid set number of players to draw from, millions of players now play tens to hundreds of games.  Each game gets to count those accounts, whether they pay anything or not.  10 games can say "We have 30 Million players." and none of them would be lying.

    Is this a good "measure" of what is successful?  I guess that depends on how one defines "success."

    VG

  • kartoolkartool Member UncommonPosts: 517
    Doesn't matter it's f2p, p2p, or sub-based - if the business model isn't ridiculous and I enjoy the game I'll pay.
  • VestigeGamerVestigeGamer Member UncommonPosts: 518
    kartool said:
    Doesn't matter it's f2p, p2p, or sub-based - if the business model isn't ridiculous and I enjoy the game I'll pay.
    Just for my own clarification, with F2P and B2P, do you frequent the cash shops?  If so, do you think you spend more or less than a usual sub fee?

    VG

  • FomaldehydeJimFomaldehydeJim Member UncommonPosts: 673
    edited September 2015
    I think I pay for all the mmos I play. I pay a sub for ESO, DCUO and P101; and also regularly buy items from their cash shops. I am of that school of thought that I should pay for the entertainment I enjoy and support it.

    In fact certain F2P models have the opposite effect on me... for example, I think that Neverwinter is a fun game and I enjoy the foundry, but I refuse to play it because of the aggressive cash shop. If it was set up with an optional subscription and without gambling boxes, fail states on upgrading items, nickel and diming, and world announcements  when someone wins a shiny, then I would be playing and paying for it now.   
  • MadimorgaMadimorga Member UncommonPosts: 1,920
    raven7680 said:
    I'm currently playing TERA and will definitely be subbing very soon. I prefer to sub to a game even when it is F2P. That said one of the nice things about there being so many F2P mmos I have the chance to try as many as I want and when one hooks me I make it my home.  :)
    I do agree the ability to try many games for free is a nice trend. It used to be that even limited free trials were rare. This does not come without its price, however.

    image

    I am convinced there is only one way to eliminate these grave evils, namely through the establishment of a socialist economy, accompanied by an educational system which would be oriented toward social goals.

    ~Albert Einstein

  • ReaperUkReaperUk Member UncommonPosts: 727
    I find it difficult to understand why I was prepared to spend $75 per month on five accounts back in the day when I was a mayor and guild leader of a metropolis in SWG. I suppose I just accepted that's the way online games worked back then. LotRO was the first game I was playing when it went F2P and I already had a lifetime sub but I think every game I've played since either started as free to play/buy to play, or switched to that model soon after release when sub numbers fell.

    I've got so many games available to me now that don't require a subscription, I wouldn't even consider  one that did. That payment model is just about dead for me now.
  • AeolynAeolyn Member UncommonPosts: 350
    raven7680 said:
    I'm currently playing TERA and will definitely be subbing very soon. I prefer to sub to a game even when it is F2P. That said one of the nice things about there being so many F2P mmos I have the chance to try as many as I want and when one hooks me I make it my home.  :)
    I would question, does it need to be f2p to "hook" you, or would a decent free trial be enough?
Sign In or Register to comment.