Howdy, Stranger!

It looks like you're new here. If you want to get involved, click one of these buttons!

Change in the air

The user and all related content has been deleted.
«13

Comments

  • BluddwolfBluddwolf Member UncommonPosts: 355
    caldeathe said:
    Paizo CEO Lisa Stephens will be having a chat open to all players later today about the future of the game. More information at Goblinworks
    You realize, this is troll bait on this forum, don't you?

    You would have done the game a better service to wait and see what the announcement was first.  

    Played: E&B, SWG, Eve, WoW, COH, WAR, POTBS, AOC, LOTRO, AUTO.A, AO, FE, TR, WWII, MWO, TSW, SWTOR, GW2, NWO, WoP, RUST, LIF, SOA, MORTAL, DFUW, AA, TF, PFO, ALBO, and many many others....

  • TalonsinTalonsin Member EpicPosts: 3,619
    My Guess...  Paizo is buying out/buying into Goblinworks and going to have more of a say in the games design while adding a big money transfusion to keep the game afloat. 

    "Sean (Murray) saying MP will be in the game is not remotely close to evidence that at the point of purchase people thought there was MP in the game."  - SEANMCAD

  • Slapshot1188Slapshot1188 Member LegendaryPosts: 10,947
    Not joking here but this needs to be the announcement:


    • They secured additional funding (or Paizo put it in) and thus are going to stop Wordsmithing things like Early Enrollment.  Instead they will call it a beta and stop charging a monthly fee.  They will also wipe at the end of beta like most normal companies
    • They have a new CEO
    • They will revisit many of the fundamentally broken systems currently implemented
    One curious thing though, why would the announcement be made by a player if it is really some big "Change is in the air" kind of thing?  I understand it will be on this guy's voice server, but you would think there would be an official announcement if it was something significant. 

    "I should point out that no other company has shipped out a beta on a disc before this." - Official Mortal Online Lead Community Moderator

    Starvault's reponse to criticism related to having a handful of players as the official "test" team for a supposed MMO: "We've just have another 10ish folk kind enough to voulenteer added tot the test team" (SIC) This explains much about the state of the game :-)

    Proudly wearing the Harbinger badge since Dec 23, 2017. 

    Coined the phrase "Role-Playing a Development Team" January 2018

    "Oddly Slap is the main reason I stay in these forums." - Mystichaze April 9th 2018

    My ignore list finally has one occupant after 12 years. I am the strongest supporter of free speech on here, but free speech does not mean forced listening. Have fun my friend. Hope you find a new stalking target.

  • BluddwolfBluddwolf Member UncommonPosts: 355
    Talonsin said:
    My Guess...  Paizo is buying out/buying into Goblinworks and going to have more of a say in the games design while adding a big money transfusion to keep the game afloat. 

    If that is indeed the case, I could also see the game going in a totally different direction.

    The Pathfinder franchise might have been better served in a more PVE based theme park MMO, with some elements of consensual, triggered PVP activities.  

    PVP triggers that would be similar to how SWG or Fallen Earth had:

    1.  PVP enabled zones - you enter, you're flagged, but you have access to higher tier resources.

    2.  Voluntary PVP flagging - type /pvpflag and you are ready to face off against any other that did the same.

    3.  Faction based PVP - you join, your flagged, but there are benefits to joining.  You can turn off the flag and it will remain off as long as you do not engage in any faction content or enter a pvp / faction controlled zone.

    To try to continue developing and marketing PFO as an Open World PVP Sandbox MMO, but only develop it halfheartedly as they have been has only turned off both sides of the market.  It is also placing itself in a group of strong competition with games like Crowfall and Albion, and PFO does not seem to be up to that challenge.

    Played: E&B, SWG, Eve, WoW, COH, WAR, POTBS, AOC, LOTRO, AUTO.A, AO, FE, TR, WWII, MWO, TSW, SWTOR, GW2, NWO, WoP, RUST, LIF, SOA, MORTAL, DFUW, AA, TF, PFO, ALBO, and many many others....

  • Loke666Loke666 Member EpicPosts: 21,441
    Talonsin said:
    My Guess...  Paizo is buying out/buying into Goblinworks and going to have more of a say in the games design while adding a big money transfusion to keep the game afloat. 
    I think that would change a lot of things, Paizo have a rather different view on game design than what we seen so far from Goblinworks. 

    Then again, Paizo are good on selling products and earning money so it might not be a bad thing. They would certainly put more focus on their campaign world.
  • Slapshot1188Slapshot1188 Member LegendaryPosts: 10,947
    edited September 2015
    First news from announcement:   Closing Goblinworks offices, moving back to Paizo Offices and laying off all staff except 3 core members.  

    Edit: Second News:  Ryan Dancey is not part of the company anymore.  Lisa is now the CEO

    Edit: Third News:  Looks like Lee the Lead Dev has left as well.

    Reading only "Mike, Bob and Mark" are left

    "I should point out that no other company has shipped out a beta on a disc before this." - Official Mortal Online Lead Community Moderator

    Starvault's reponse to criticism related to having a handful of players as the official "test" team for a supposed MMO: "We've just have another 10ish folk kind enough to voulenteer added tot the test team" (SIC) This explains much about the state of the game :-)

    Proudly wearing the Harbinger badge since Dec 23, 2017. 

    Coined the phrase "Role-Playing a Development Team" January 2018

    "Oddly Slap is the main reason I stay in these forums." - Mystichaze April 9th 2018

    My ignore list finally has one occupant after 12 years. I am the strongest supporter of free speech on here, but free speech does not mean forced listening. Have fun my friend. Hope you find a new stalking target.

  • Loke666Loke666 Member EpicPosts: 21,441
    First news from announcement:   Closing Goblinworks offices, moving back to Paizo Offices and laying off all staff except 3 core members.  
    Ok, but they havn't said anything about cancelling the game?

    Lets hope they don't, while a lot of things Goblinworks have done seems a bit strange to me I like the IP and play the P&P game.
  • [Deleted User][Deleted User] UncommonPosts: 0
    The user and all related content has been deleted.
  • DMKanoDMKano Member LegendaryPosts: 20,909
    The best laid plans of mice and men....
  • Loke666Loke666 Member EpicPosts: 21,441
    Ok, So Ryan left the game...  That isn't good but at least it seems like they havn't canned it, and likely won't for a while since they wouldn't bother with moving in the rest to Paizo if they just were going to cancel it.
  • BluddwolfBluddwolf Member UncommonPosts: 355
    If Ryan Dancey left for "personal reasons" then why was he speaking at Pax Prime on Monday, about Kick Starters?

    To say that they will stay true to his initial sales pitch document, is a mistake.  I have said from the beginning, his vision was flawed and showed a total lack of understanding of the MMO market.  

    PFO should stick to its PF TT RPG roots and become more of an RP / PVE Sandbox MMO and become less focused on territorial control / settlement PVP. ...   As I stated in my post above.


    Played: E&B, SWG, Eve, WoW, COH, WAR, POTBS, AOC, LOTRO, AUTO.A, AO, FE, TR, WWII, MWO, TSW, SWTOR, GW2, NWO, WoP, RUST, LIF, SOA, MORTAL, DFUW, AA, TF, PFO, ALBO, and many many others....

  • PottedPlant22PottedPlant22 Member RarePosts: 797
    They need to reach out to Project Gorgon now and retcon Pathfinder Online into that game.  It will be mutually beneficial.  
  • WizardryWizardry Member LegendaryPosts: 16,330
    Ok had to do some homework,was quite interesting to read about Lisa.

    I guess over the years she became quite a success story and ranks right at the top in her various business ventures in gaming.

    It seems the whole Pathfinder brand is hers and although i know almost nothing of it,apparently it is VERY popular.

    So reading between the lines i would say,she is proud of her Pathfinder brand and doesn't want to see this blemish ruin it,so i would say most definitely she is buying out Goblinworks.

    I truly do not know Goblinworks,however reading about how popular this Pathfinder brand is,i can only assume that Goblinworks thought this was an easy cash grab.

    I woudl also assume she has a bit of money saved up,but not likely the kind of money that a massive Triple A rpg would need sunk into it.So this is going to be a very tricky ride,she does seem like she has always made the smart decisions so does she have a solid plan or just trying to save her brand name?


    Never forget 3 mile Island and never trust a government official or company spokesman.

  • WizardryWizardry Member LegendaryPosts: 16,330

    They need to reach out to Project Gorgon now and retcon Pathfinder Online into that game.  It will be mutually beneficial.  
    I am truly not being mean to Gorgon but imo that game needs a complete wipe and restart from scratch.It looks and plays very archaic and always will or look even more dated over time.Sure Eric has some good ideas but a game needs more than ideas.

    I am way more eager to see what this Lisa will do with her partners or what exactly she is up to be it a joint partnership ,idk but i think she most definitely would be a huge positive way more than a negative.

    Never forget 3 mile Island and never trust a government official or company spokesman.

  • Loke666Loke666 Member EpicPosts: 21,441
    Wizardry said:
    Ok had to do some homework,was quite interesting to read about Lisa.
    I guess over the years she became quite a success story and ranks right at the top in her various business ventures in gaming.
    It seems the whole Pathfinder brand is hers and although i know almost nothing of it,apparently it is VERY popular.
    So reading between the lines i would say,she is proud of her Pathfinder brand and doesn't want to see this blemish ruin it,so i would say most definitely she is buying out Goblinworks.
    I truly do not know Goblinworks,however reading about how popular this Pathfinder brand is,i can only assume that Goblinworks thought this was an easy cash grab.
    I woudl also assume she has a bit of money saved up,but not likely the kind of money that a massive Triple A rpg would need sunk into it.So this is going to be a very tricky ride,she does seem like she has always made the smart decisions so does she have a solid plan or just trying to save her brand name?
    Well, Pathfinder is the first game who became more popular than D&D ever... In MMO terms you could compare it to WoW.

    And they are not just known for good gameplay and huge customization options, they also have taken layout to an entirely new level.

    So, yeah. Paizo certainly don't want to solk their reputation and if they feel that Goblinworks isn't up for the task they certainly could either pull the license or buy GW out and leave the torch to someone else (but I am not sure what happened here yet).

  • [Deleted User][Deleted User] UncommonPosts: 0
    The user and all related content has been deleted.
  • Slapshot1188Slapshot1188 Member LegendaryPosts: 10,947
    @Loke666 Here is the link to the recording.  It should help you understand what was announced.  just the first 5 minutes or so is enough.

    https://soundcloud.com/duffy-swiftshadow/keepside-chat-with-lisa-stevens-9215

    Warning though.  It's kinds tough to take.  Not a good situation obviously.

    "I should point out that no other company has shipped out a beta on a disc before this." - Official Mortal Online Lead Community Moderator

    Starvault's reponse to criticism related to having a handful of players as the official "test" team for a supposed MMO: "We've just have another 10ish folk kind enough to voulenteer added tot the test team" (SIC) This explains much about the state of the game :-)

    Proudly wearing the Harbinger badge since Dec 23, 2017. 

    Coined the phrase "Role-Playing a Development Team" January 2018

    "Oddly Slap is the main reason I stay in these forums." - Mystichaze April 9th 2018

    My ignore list finally has one occupant after 12 years. I am the strongest supporter of free speech on here, but free speech does not mean forced listening. Have fun my friend. Hope you find a new stalking target.

  • MisterZebubMisterZebub Member LegendaryPosts: 3,584
    DMKano said:
    The best laid plans of mice and men....
    Wait there were rodents working on this game? Well no wonder they had issues.

    Its sad but true that sometimes you have to make the decision as to whether the project or the team is the problem. Looks like this time they decided it was the team. Hopefully some good will come out of all this.

    "People worry about kids playing with guns, or watching violent videos...
    That some sort of culture of violence will take them over.
    Nobody worries about kids listening to thousands - literally, thousands of songs
    About heartbreak, rejection...pain, misery and loss. Did I listen to pop music
    Because I was miserable... or was I miserable because I listened to pop music?"

  • [Deleted User][Deleted User] UncommonPosts: 0
    The user and all related content has been deleted.
  • BillMurphyBillMurphy Former Managing EditorMember LegendaryPosts: 4,560
    One look at official artwork for Pathfinder the RPG and then comparing it to Pathfinder the MMO, and you can see a huge discrepancy. The whole game should be scrapped and started over. But it SHOULD be made. It just needs to be more like the table top. 

    Try to be excellent to everyone you meet. You never know what someone else has seen or endured.

    My Review Manifesto
    Follow me on Twitter if you dare.

  • Slapshot1188Slapshot1188 Member LegendaryPosts: 10,947
    One look at official artwork for Pathfinder the RPG and then comparing it to Pathfinder the MMO, and you can see a huge discrepancy. The whole game should be scrapped and started over. But it SHOULD be made. It just needs to be more like the table top. 
    Could not agree more!

    On other parts of the topic at hand... apparently the server is only currently paid up through the end of Sept. and continuation will depend on subscriptions continuing at their current level.  Otherwise more developers (only 3 left) or the server have to go...


    Q: Is Pathfinder Online going to shut down?

    A: The servers and staff for the game have been paid for through the end of September.  As long as the monetary support from the community continues to fund the operating of the servers, we will keep the game live.  If half of the current community continues to support Pathfinder Online with their monthly subscription fees, we would be able to keep the servers live indefinitely, but we would not have money to keep our core team employed and continuing the development of the game.

    "I should point out that no other company has shipped out a beta on a disc before this." - Official Mortal Online Lead Community Moderator

    Starvault's reponse to criticism related to having a handful of players as the official "test" team for a supposed MMO: "We've just have another 10ish folk kind enough to voulenteer added tot the test team" (SIC) This explains much about the state of the game :-)

    Proudly wearing the Harbinger badge since Dec 23, 2017. 

    Coined the phrase "Role-Playing a Development Team" January 2018

    "Oddly Slap is the main reason I stay in these forums." - Mystichaze April 9th 2018

    My ignore list finally has one occupant after 12 years. I am the strongest supporter of free speech on here, but free speech does not mean forced listening. Have fun my friend. Hope you find a new stalking target.

  • Loke666Loke666 Member EpicPosts: 21,441
    @Loke666 Here is the link to the recording.  It should help you understand what was announced.  just the first 5 minutes or so is enough.

    https://soundcloud.com/duffy-swiftshadow/keepside-chat-with-lisa-stevens-9215

    Warning though.  It's kinds tough to take.  Not a good situation obviously.
    Thanks, listening to it right now. And yeah, it is pretty painful to listen too...
    One look at official artwork for Pathfinder the RPG and then comparing it to Pathfinder the MMO, and you can see a huge discrepancy. The whole game should be scrapped and started over. But it SHOULD be made. It just needs to be more like the table top. 
    Yeah, I am not sure why Goblinworks went for the IP from the start, they should have gone for Runequest or something else closer to the game they worked on instead.
  • BurntvetBurntvet Member RarePosts: 3,465
    edited September 2015
    What a shame.

    Wait, no it isn't.

    Guess players were not interested in paying full price for 1/3 of a game.

    We'll see if this thing can be resurrected or they scrap it and start over.
  • KalmporosKalmporos Member UncommonPosts: 293
    Dancey did it again!
  • AudoucetAudoucet Member UncommonPosts: 69
    Let this be a lesson to fanboydom.

    I'm actually a bit disappointed, I still had the secret hope that I would be forced to accept that I was wrong and RD was awesome. Geez, the poor guys who bought DT accounts in August...
Sign In or Register to comment.