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Transfers, dev letter (aka the thread Gorwe is looking for :) )

Po_ggPo_gg Member RarePosts: 4,808

The info and timeline is released: https://www.lotro.com/en/game/articles/world-transfers

In short, the server list (closing / remaining) will released next week. The actual move to the new datacenters (and Eu servers back to Eu) is 2-3 months later, more specific timeline will posted in Sept.

Only 10 servers remain from the 29... 5 US and 5 Eu. That's harsh. 1 Rp on both sides, so Landy is safe, on Eu side it's most likely Laurelin, but then the german rp folks will be pissed...

Character slots limit was increased with 16.2 last week, but won't be free if you transfer all the characters on one server.

Naming is mostly the same it was with the regular transfer, just got an "activity" filter with a 1 year period. So anyone log in at least once on the remaining servers will keep their names, and most transferring characters will end up with a -1. But everyone gets a title option with their former world name. Plus a cloak.

Kins get an easy mass-transfer option. Houses will be lost, Turbine is still looking the option for kinship neighborhoods (when a whole neighborhood was occupied by a kinship, most likely there won't be empty neighborhoods on the remaining servers for a kinship to purchase the houses on the same neighborhood again).

Friend list will be lost... that will need some coordination to rebuild.... image  especially if not all friends go to the same world. But with only 5 remaining, there are not much options.

 

Probably there will be more answers from blue names, the forum is pretty active right now.

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  • AthisarAthisar Member UncommonPosts: 666
    Between the lines, the EU servers are already confirmed - Evernight, Snowbourn, Laurelin, one French, one German.
  • Po_ggPo_gg Member RarePosts: 4,808

    Currently that's more like just guessing, but it's odd nevertheless. Even the guess-timated worst case scenario was 4 english 2 german and 1 french servers during the summer... Leaving only 1 german server will make it overpopulated (and the folks of Belegaer will lose their Rp home), likewise putting everyone who plays in english onto 2 servers (if they don't want to try the Rp server), well... sure, it's a shiny new hardware, but still, that's a truckload of people.

     

    Don't get me wrong, my bet would be the same, if only 5 Eu servers left. (edit: which is drawing a sad future for my characters on the Old Forest Creek)

  • GorweGorwe Member EpicPosts: 6,313
    Well, what do I care? I get laurelin ;) !

    Will names be server unique or database / region unique(not that it matters because I've quite original kilmessae etc for my Elves)?

    Also, what a logistical understanding eh? Must be glorious and difficult at the same time...
  • AthisarAthisar Member UncommonPosts: 666
    Originally posted by Po_gg

    Currently that's more like just guessing, but it's odd nevertheless. Even the guess-timated worst case scenario was 4 english 2 german and 1 french servers during the summer... Leaving only 1 german server will make it overpopulated (and the folks of Belegaer will lose their Rp home), likewise putting everyone who plays in english onto 2 servers (if they don't want to try the Rp server), well... sure, it's a shiny new hardware, but still, that's a truckload of people.

     

    Don't get me wrong, my bet would be the same, if only 5 Eu servers left. (edit: which is drawing a sad future for my characters on the Old Forest Creek)

    It's not guessing :) They've confirmed that there will be an RP server in the EU, and there is only one (Laurelin). They've confirmed there will be just one French server and one German server. That leaves two. There's no way they'd close the recommended and busiest server (Evernight) and the after that the busiest is Snowbourn.

  • TorvalTorval Member LegendaryPosts: 19,871

    Mostly expected information, but very nice to have it confirmed and thank you for posting the link.

    My prediction on the servers: Brandywine (they confirmed that in the letter), Landroval, Gladden, Crickhollow, and Elendilmir.

    I'm not happy about the fact they aren't providing any character slots as compensation. They should provide some and at least one for every one we've purchase or some allotment like that. They should also put slots on deep discount in the store. The players are being asked to accept a huge hassle, naming loss, and social displacement. The least Turbine could do is provide extra character slots.

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  • GorweGorwe Member EpicPosts: 6,313
    Also, big thanks to pogg!
  • Po_ggPo_gg Member RarePosts: 4,808
    Originally posted by Athisar
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    It's not guessing :) They've confirmed that there will be an RP server in the EU, and there is only one (Laurelin). They've confirmed there will be just one French server and one German server. That leaves two. There's no way they'd close the recommended and busiest server (Evernight) and the after that the busiest is Snowbourn.

    Actually there's 3 :) (+ Landy, but that's US, and "only" roleplay-encouraged anyways image).

    Laurelin, Belegaer and Estel are the 3 Eu RP servers, with the same ruleset, etc. Estel has a very low population, so almost certain they will leave Sirannon open, and the french rp players move there. Leaving 4 spots for further guessing.

    See, Belegaer is close in population with Laurelin... and there's 5+1 german servers, just like the 5+1 english ones. True, the overall population is lower, but they're very active, hence the former guesses of 2 german and 4 english servers remaining, with both languages keeping the RP.

    That's why I wrote that the statement of 5 Eu servers, with only 1 RP is a tough one... lots of folks will be angry.

     

    Torval, that's correct, the US side is easier. For the slots, hopefully there will be some sales on that, along with the shared storage and wardrobe.

  • AthisarAthisar Member UncommonPosts: 666
    I may have misread it, but I thought they'd said that there'd be two RP servers overall and then that the EU would have one French and one German server -- I'd be very surprised with a single French server that is RP only, and Laurelin has a decent sized population. There's absolutely no doubt that Evernight will stay, and Snowbourn has long been the top server if you discount whichever one was recommended at the time.
  • TokkenTokken Member RarePosts: 2,236

    So, I can leave all my characters on Brandywine if I want, right? I'm assuming that server will still be intact.........

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  • AthisarAthisar Member UncommonPosts: 666
    Originally posted by Tokken

    So, I can leave all my characters on Brandywine if I want, right? I'm assuming that server will still be intact.........

    Brandywine is the busiest server by a long way. They've stated flat out that that is going nowhere.

  • GorweGorwe Member EpicPosts: 6,313
    Originally posted by Athisar
    Originally posted by Tokken

    So, I can leave all my characters on Brandywine if I want, right? I'm assuming that server will still be intact.........

    Brandywine is the busiest server by a long way. They've stated flat out that that is going nowhere.

    NOT TRUE!

    Brandywine is indeed going places...

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    ...it is going to mender's so its crippling lag can get mended. Read the statement :D .

  • TorvalTorval Member LegendaryPosts: 19,871
    Originally posted by Tokken

    So, I can leave all my characters on Brandywine if I want, right? I'm assuming that server will still be intact.........

    That's right. If you're on Brandywine you can leave your characters as is if you want. Initially there will be no transfers allowed to Brandywine either until they have established performance data on the new servers. If and when they feel Brandywine is performing okay they'll open up transfers to that server.

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  • TokkenTokken Member RarePosts: 2,236

    Thanks for confirmation, all. Hopefully some people will leave Brandywine (ya know what I mean.)lol

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  • AthisarAthisar Member UncommonPosts: 666
    Some nice news, it looks like premium/vip users will get two extra slots for free, and they will put slots on sale as well.
  • Po_ggPo_gg Member RarePosts: 4,808
    Originally posted by Athisar
    I may have misread it, but I thought they'd said that there'd be two RP servers overall and then that the EU would have one French and one German server -- I'd be very surprised with a single French server that is RP only, and Laurelin has a decent sized population. There's absolutely no doubt that Evernight will stay, and Snowbourn has long been the top server if you discount whichever one was recommended at the time.

    Nope, they've said a couple times that only 1 Rp on both sides... that's why the guesses of the 2-2-1 setup has a small chance imo - even if it'd be somewhat fair to the german folks. The Vyv post of "1 Rp, and 1 for each languages for Eu" indicates more like a Laurelin RP, Evernight EN, Gwaihir DE, Sirannon FR layout,  + Snowy as 5th, imo. With a huge imo, just a guess :)

    But as you wrote too, Snowy is an active server, without even being the recommended one, and is crowded for a reason: it was the unofficial "other language" server back in the days. It's full with Eu communities, from Italy and Greece up to Sweden and Finnland, plus all the countries inbetween. Along with that it has the least strict, Samuel L. Jackson criteria in chat (https://youtu.be/m_mDTLphIVY image), fairly often you barely see english words for minutes. You could say Snowy keeps all the other servers clean from Black Speech - the weird characters, undecipherable conversations and stuff :)

    I think (especially after the experiences of RU closure and most of the players ended up on Brandy) Turbine won't scatter all those players, chunk of them speaking only their native language, onto the remaining servers - it's maybe wiser to keep them in one place :)

    I must add, even with having characters on Snowy (and only one on Belegaer), I'd support the setup where they keep both RP servers alive, just for the fairness's sake. But if there's only one slot for RP, I hope it will be Laurelin...

     

    Also, there were a few more Vyv comments, the best part was that they're planning to give +2 character slots for free, and there will be a character slot sale too. An another good news for PvMPers (so I'm not interested, but still a big news image), you can have more than one Creep class on one server with the transfers, opposed to the current setting.

    edit: wow, /me slow typer... Athisar was faster

  • Po_ggPo_gg Member RarePosts: 4,808

    Opposing to all the concerns about name collisions, a new school (just kiddin') emerged in chat last night, Iteration fun image

    For example, make 4 characters called Kawa. With the free and unlimited transfers, move two of them, they'll become Kawa-1. Then, move one of them on top of the other... game will check the name, "oops, seems we have that name already, here's a token and a -1". Hence, a kawaii little hobbit lass called Kawa-1-1 :) Or a minstrel called Avic-1-1 (ok, I don't get that one...). Or, with the new titles from the weekly content, Preparation-1-1, the Unprepared, Dr. Evil's favourite image

     

    Of course, do not try this at ho... on the RP server.

    Also, there won't be any transfers tomorrow, Vyvyanne corrected the original dev letter, only the Bullroarer copy starts now, to test the transfer mechanics, which items are left behind, are there any bugs, etc. Actual transfer will be open 1-2 weeks later.

  • immodiumimmodium Member RarePosts: 2,580
    Originally posted by Po_gg
    Also, there won't be any transfers tomorrow, Vyvyanne corrected the original dev letter, only the Bullroarer copy starts now, to test the transfer mechanics, which items are left behind, are there any bugs, etc. Actual transfer will be open 1-2 weeks later.

    Will we still find out which servers are staying/which are being deleted tomorrow?

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  • Po_ggPo_gg Member RarePosts: 4,808
    Yep, rest is unchanged (patch tomorrow, servers announced, character creation closed, mail and gift box to everyone, etc), just opposed to the original plans of transfer opens on the 10 remaining servers, that's delayed. Only the Bullroarer copy will be available for the first couple weeks.
  • Starbuck1771Starbuck1771 Member UncommonPosts: 375
    Originally posted by Athisar
    Between the lines, the EU servers are already confirmed - Evernight, Snowbourn, Laurelin, one French, one German.

    https://www.lotro.com/en/game/articles/world-closure-announcement

    There is the list of all servers being shutdown. two thirds of all the servers shutting down speaks loudly about the status of LotRO.  Even Gandolf can't bring it back.

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  • GorweGorwe Member EpicPosts: 6,313
    So, how are the EU servers coming along?
  • AthisarAthisar Member UncommonPosts: 666
    Gorwe said:
    So, how are the EU servers coming along?
    Evernight is packed, it's the new Brandywine. It's not surprising really when it's the only (non-RP) English server for the EU. Turbine's said they've added extra hardware resources to it and they're allowing free transfers off it. I think there are issues with Laurelin (RP) because a lot of people don't understand what RP means, and are upsetting the roleplayers.

    No clue about the non English EU servers.
  • Po_ggPo_gg Member RarePosts: 4,808
    edited October 2015
    There was a stress-test event on Bullroarer yesterday, already on the new gear. Was quite... laggy. Maybe the couple Balrogs roaming in Bree, one-shotting low-levels not helped on that matter either. (I know i know, immersion and its breaking, balrogs are almost extinct, blah blah... still fun :wink: )


    Also was an U17 preview a few days ago, Minas Tirith looks awesome. There will be 2 bigbattle / skirm covering the siege of it, there's a new tier for crafting (and a detailed dev diary next week), but no launch date was specified, just that within weeks.
    edit: loved the part about the White Tree, they modeled it after the one in Oxford - the late one I mean, since it's gone now sadly:  http://www.oxfordtoday.ox.ac.uk/culture/videos-podcasts-galleries/giant-falls-tolkien%E2%80%99s-tree
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  • AthisarAthisar Member UncommonPosts: 666
    They said that they had more people logged in to Bullroarer last night than they've had on any sever on the game ever before. Pretty impressive when it's this old and it's people just helping to test.

    Also having the producer and devs in game is something a lot of MMOs could learn from in how to engage with the players.
  • Po_ggPo_gg Member RarePosts: 4,808
    Athisar said:
    [..] and it's people just helping to test. [..]
    Or, for signing up for the rewards :lol:  Ok, just kidding.
    (But in fact that was a very frequent topic in /world... devs had even put up a world announcement about it)
  • AthisarAthisar Member UncommonPosts: 666
    Po_gg said:
    Athisar said:
    [..] and it's people just helping to test. [..]
    Or, for signing up for the rewards :lol:  Ok, just kidding.
    (But in fact that was a very frequent topic in /world... devs had even put up a world announcement about it)
    Well, 100TP is really a sweetener rather than anything huge. As it required a big download I was surprised a lot of people bothered.
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