If you truly boil this argument down, it all really comes down to being obsessed with your neighbor, i.e. "Keeping up with the Joneses". I still cannot fathom how some are so obsessed with this that it drives them away from the game. Who cares what other players do with their money?! If they are foolish enough to spend ridiculous amounts of money for virtual pixels, then laugh at their stupid life decisions and move on. Give yourself credit that you will earn your gear at your own pace and these same people would probably go into ruin the first casino they go to. Or these same players would put themselves into financial ruin because their neighbor got a nicer car than them. Who cares what they do?! Play the game at your own pace, income level, and with the time that you have and STOP WORRYING ABOUT EVERYONE ELSE!
I just can't get over the hate people spew about this game when they simply don't have to participate nor is it anyone's business what someone else does with their money. Laugh at their foolishness and move on!
I hear time and time again of players admitting to loving many things about the game but somehow even though AA has no alternative yet in the market, people choose to abandon imho the most feature rich unique MMO on the market because they obsess over their neighbor. How do you people cope in life because guess what, in life there are plenty of whales and haves and have nots just like in AA. It is just in your power to let it get to you or simply enjoy the game based on your own needs and lifestyle.
I have said it before and will say it again. The only person you are punishing by all this is yourself as you endlessly search for that "perfect mmo" that will never exist due to unrealistic expectations and conflicting desires. Have fun making your point while you are playing crappy wow clones.
I'll choose the latter because there is far more good in Archeage worth staying for than bad and plenty of goals left for me to achieve. Been playing AA for nearly 2 1/2 years, still fully engaged and still have lots to do. Proof is in the pudding and no other MMO on the market has anywhere near the long-term playability that AA has provided me nor is there anything else on the horizon that will.
So while many of you are obsessed with re-iterating ad nauseum the same point over and over and over, I'll actually be playing and enjoying AA.
Glad to hear from actual players that the game is not P2W, but that is not why i stopped playing. I'd love to go back to it but i will not play a half assed game as a non subscriber.
If XL/Trion are scared of freeloaders then ill happily pay for the client. I will not subscribe and i will not play for free with stupid restrictions, let alone use the cash shop and stay restricted. I sound like a broken record with this... but it is what it is.
As a person who played/plays Archeage. It is P2W no debate. Shills will use semantics as a reason to not use the exact term as P2W but for normal people it's P2W. People who pay more have a direct advantage over others who don't. It's not rocket science either. Having a patron account means absolutely nothing. You have to have several if you wish to keep up with those who can/will throw real world currency to be ahead. This is the cold hard truth and no amount of white knighting will change this.
If this is what F2P gaming is about, I'll gladly go back to subscription models and complaining about publishers not having he content to justify the cost. I'd really hope they keep this low brow mobile gaming model away from PC games in the future. It fucking sucks.
"As far as the forum code of conduct, I would think it's a bit outdated and in need of a refre *CLOSED*"
You can't get over me posting my opinion on a topic brought up for discussion on a public forum about a product I paid $300 for and have a very well earned opinion of?
It's worse than pay to win. I never thought there was such a category, but there is, and Trion proved it. It's not only pay to win, it's pay ridiculous amounts just to enjoy the game as you wish to enjoy it. And then on top of that, it's pay to keep enjoying the game as you wish to enjoy it thanks to the merge (oh, I'm sorry, I mean the evolution).
To tell the truth, I was lurking the official forum lapping up the tears of people who were foolish and morally weak enough to buy land off the RMT hackers. Then I ran across some posts by people with real life disabilities who simply wish to enjoy a virtual break from real life in a game that offers housing and decorating and playing the godsdamn piano. I cried real tears over the completely unnecessary loss these players are about to suffer for the sake of Trion's greed.
Because this merger is all about cashing in.
Don't tell me that isn't the plan or the intent, either. There is no pther reason for the creation of a new server in the midst of a merger except to cash in on players trying to get land and spending every cent of their real life dollars possible to maximize their chances.
On top of that, I'd be MY last dollar that land hackers will get most of the new server land and will then sell it to the hapless players who missed out (thanks no doubt to copious DCs).
This merger is disgusting in a way I never thought any devs would stoop to or Western players would tolerate. After all, Western players come from the monthly sub model, and I thought we were a little better equipped to resist blatant pillaging by greedy companies due to this subscription heritage. Guess I was wrong. We are rapidly falling prey to the same greedy shenanigans our Eastern brethren have suffered from for far too long. Instead of getting better, this genre is getting progressively worse worldwide.
Admittedly, it's not at the level of real life genocide, but really, can we not do better? At least in our entertainment? It's the only power we have, that thing we call discretionary income, that income we don't have to spend on food, fuel, and a roof over our heads. Can we really not resist this pay to win, greedy, grasping pestilence?
I am convinced there is only one way to eliminate these grave evils, namely through the establishment of a socialist economy, accompanied by an educational system which would be oriented toward social goals.
Originally posted by Effin_Rabbit The game isn't held back by trolls, its held back by itself.
Winner.
First "good" mmo that I have played for any time that was ruined by the business model, and the mechanics they put in there to force people to use the cash shop, than being a lousy game in itself.
I would say it is too bad, but it isn't really, they did it to themselves through greed.
100% spot on... Totally fucking ruined by ineptitude and hackers !! RIP
Originally posted by Effin_Rabbit The game isn't held back by trolls, its held back by itself.
Winner.
First "good" mmo that I have played for any time that was ruined by the business model, and the mechanics they put in there to force people to use the cash shop, than being a lousy game in itself.
I would say it is too bad, but it isn't really, they did it to themselves through greed.
100% spot on... Totally fucking ruined by ineptitude and hackers !! RIP
Pre 1.2 Alpha was one of the most enjoyable gaming experiences I've ever had. I will never forget the fun times and the people I met. But that game is dead and that time is in the past.
Originally posted by steelwindIf you truly boil this argument down, it all really comes down to being obsessed with your neighbor, i.e. "Keeping up with the Joneses". I still cannot fathom how some are so obsessed with this that it drives them away from the game. Who cares what other players do with their money?! If they are foolish enough to spend ridiculous amounts of money for virtual pixels, then laugh at their stupid life decisions and move on. Give yourself credit that you will earn your gear at your own pace and these same people would probably go into ruin the first casino they go to. Or these same players would put themselves into financial ruin because their neighbor got a nicer car than them. Who cares what they do?! Play the game at your own pace, income level, and with the time that you have and STOP WORRYING ABOUT EVERYONE ELSE!I just can't get over the hate people spew about this game when they simply don't have to participate nor is it anyone's business what someone else does with their money. Laugh at their foolishness and move on!I hear time and time again of players admitting to loving many things about the game but somehow even though AA has no alternative yet in the market, people choose to abandon imho the most feature rich unique MMO on the market because they obsess over their neighbor. How do you people cope in life because guess what, in life there are plenty of whales and haves and have nots just like in AA. It is just in your power to let it get to you or simply enjoy the game based on your own needs and lifestyle.I have said it before and will say it again. The only person you are punishing by all this is yourself as you endlessly search for that "perfect mmo" that will never exist due to unrealistic expectations and conflicting desires. Have fun making your point while you are playing crappy wow clones.I'll choose the latter because there is far more good in Archeage worth staying for than bad and plenty of goals left for me to achieve. Been playing AA for nearly 2 1/2 years, still fully engaged and still have lots to do. Proof is in the pudding and no other MMO on the market has anywhere near the long-term playability that AA has provided me nor is there anything else on the horizon that will.So while many of you are obsessed with re-iterating ad nauseum the same point over and over and over, I'll actually be playing and enjoying AA.
Pretty much this.
P2W breaks down to how you define it and it's different for everyone. As stated earlier some see it as ANY advantage that can be bought is evidence for p2w.
The TS economic crash with the rumbling trees was a gods send, at least TS trees are now affordable (before the rumbling TS trees were 1:3 versus Apex, now they are closer to 1:1 with apex being more expensive). The economy in the game is pretty stable and you can work it right if you follow the game news or do research. And rumblings are now loyalty/merit so cash is not needed.
As for the hacks/bug/bots. Honestly these are not nearly as bad as they were at launch (been playing since launch, subbed in Sept '14). I see bots every so often, but rarely do they last. I haven't heard of a land hacking incident since they added the limits on land placement and thank the Twelve they fixed the pirate castle bug.
Sieges are being fought and won, it just takes planning and teamwork. The one that has the most wins.
In the end, if you like the game play it. I tell others I enjoy it and if you want to try an open-world pvp game with naval combat and a prescient world then Archeage can fill that niche. Just don't sub until you try all of it (minus the land ownership, but if that's not your thing then why patron up?). Then if you want to throw money at it go for it.
Try before you buy is the best way to play f2p.
On the headstart debacle, yeah Trion frakked that one up, never should have offered it.
And on a final note for those that don't read the forums, the mergers will have the server numbers at the same as launch, when they were debating opening new servers at the start there was an out-cry against it sighting this exact event. That the new servers would be dead/mergered in the near future. So the game is going back to it's prelaunch weight, that isn't bad.
Learned AA know the day it launched (no Beta player).
Best MMORPG since a decade. Best gameplay since a decade. Playing every day and don't miss any other MMORPG i played inbetween since SWG, that was 2005.
OP is in everything right regarding "overheating hate" that AA doesn't deserve.
Can't think of other reasons then those who played Beta and played "another version" missing it or just your regular begrudger from other titles that love to post hate on other games forums.
It din't keep me from enjoying the best MMORPG game on the market right now.
PS: I don't expect a good game to be entirely for free so i am subscribed and stay subbed. Also i dont buy things from cash shop. It works for me and i feel in the same time very easy to keep that way. I feel sorry for people who try to pay to win and loose so much, because ..the game is not pay to win
Loved AA for what it offered, but let's not deny there is P2W going on here. Real money has definite impact in what is an almost 100% forced PvP game.
EDIT: unless you live in this game, good luck not spending any money to have a shot in any type of PvP. But if you do live in this game as a Free to play, you'll be ok.
Now Playing: Bless / Summoners War Looking forward to: Crowfall / Lost Ark / Black Desert Mobile
@greenreen Just reverse which one is the higher number on that job interview/failed romance bit, and add a dozen or so to each #, and that's my life. I guess I empathize with anyone who has any reason at all to run from real life. Which is pretty much all of us at some time or another, I guess. Pity so many greedy bastards are determined to wreck our few escapes from the misery greed has created for us in the real world. That might just come back to bite the collective corporate butt one day, though!
Thanks for the music!
I am convinced there is only one way to eliminate these grave evils, namely through the establishment of a socialist economy, accompanied by an educational system which would be oriented toward social goals.
Played AA for several months, beautiful in many ways, still using a screen shot as my computer background and would be playing now if not for Trion making several major game breaking decisions with unbalanced rewards for players who had quit and unbalancing the economy and that early hacking, loved my little farm and the gameplay but the rest was really, really irritating.
Loved AA for what it offered, but let's not deny there is P2W going on here. Real money has definite impact in what is an almost 100% forced PvP game.
EDIT: unless you live in this game, good luck not spending any money to have a shot in any type of PvP. But if you do live in this game as a Free to play, you'll be ok.
100% forced PvP eeek ! I thought you could choose not to PvP. I was mistaken then.
2. Alpha was glorious, probably the BEST mmo in a long damn time and then Trion pussied out and caved into XLGAMES demand to change the vital systems that kept the world alive. I swear if someone copied the entire game in Alpha bit for bit and put in better anti hacking systems they'd get another 150 dollars from me in a heartbeat.
3. ArcheAge is a fantastic game, the problem is the hacking, period.
Any mmo worth its salt should be like a good prostitute when it comes to its game world- One hell of a faker, and a damn good shaker!
2. Alpha was glorious, probably the BEST mmo in a long damn time and then Trion pussied out and caved into XLGAMES demand to change the vital systems that kept the world alive. I swear if someone copied the entire game in Alpha bit for bit and put in better anti hacking systems they'd get another 150 dollars from me in a heartbeat.
3. ArcheAge is a fantastic game, the problem is the hacking, period.
I hear ya, if AA came out as purely a sub game like it was in Alpha phase it might have been a different story. As it stands I'm ok with it now because I use my EU toon to generate APEX purely for the subscription and some bonus credits too. I'm not one for playing the keeping up with the Jones' game so I'm ok with not having the most uber gear in game. It's all about having fun with what you got right? ArcheAge still is a great game none the less -- even with it's flaws.
Here I am playing probably the most hated and ridiculed MMO that has launched in recent years and I have ESO, GW2, Wildstar, and FFXIV:ARR collecting digital dust in my HDD.
Do they still have land shortages? That was what really killed this game for me. I was there at launch but it was insanely difficult to get new land. And there were a lot of hacks to grab land lol.
Mission in life: Vanquish all MMORPG.com trolls - especially TESO, WOW and GW2 trolls.
Originally posted by fivoroth Do they still have land shortages? That was what really killed this game for me. I was there at launch but it was insanely difficult to get new land. And there were a lot of hacks to grab land lol.
Game going have land stortages about all the time, as the more people on that server unless they throw in instant base land as there more people then land to go around.
People are quick to scream P2W, so I have an immediate reaction to disbelieve it. Cry wolf and that whole thing. As far as AA is concerned, I don't considerate a P2W, but I will say that they have an aggressive income strategy. I think that can definitely be off putting to people.
Reading most of the stuff makes me shake my head. Did everyone forget about the blatant hacking, duping, exploiting wich has been going on since forever and Trion is unable to stop in any meaningful way?
If you plan to be competitive in ANY form PvP in this game you either play MANY MANY hours a week, or you do it like the smart people, exploit one of the (still working) bugs in this game and be done with your gearing in a week.
Besides all the cheating, bad deicisions from Trion, toxic community and blatant pay2win (labor pots huehue) I still have to admit that AA was the most fun for very very long time for me. But when I found out about what is actually going on with the economy there's simply no point in trying.
Never played the Alpha but what people are telling it was much much better than at release state, still wondering what made Trion go the other way, can only guess it's money.
Reading most of the stuff makes me shake my head. Did everyone forget about the blatant hacking, duping, exploiting wich has been going on since forever and Trion is unable to stop in any meaningful way?
If you plan to be competitive in ANY form PvP in this game you either play MANY MANY hours a week, or you do it like the smart people, exploit one of the (still working) bugs in this game and be done with your gearing in a week.
Besides all the cheating, bad deicisions from Trion, toxic community and blatant pay2win (labor pots huehue) I still have to admit that AA was the most fun for very very long time for me. But when I found out about what is actually going on with the economy there's simply no point in trying.
Never played the Alpha but what people are telling it was much much better than at release state, still wondering what made Trion go the other way, can only guess it's money.
Toxic community grow with type of game it is, if there a game all about how powerful you are on beating a raid, dungeon or in pvp as it's getting to being the part community that make things toxic for other players don't like that aspect or want power them self.
But can't put all the blame on trion about there wanted money as xlgame want alot the money as well, but there both business like any other business, if we don't agree the way there doing business we all move on.
Even if was bad for business, then EA would not been around how bad there been doing business for years and still get peoples money.
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If you truly boil this argument down, it all really comes down to being obsessed with your neighbor, i.e. "Keeping up with the Joneses". I still cannot fathom how some are so obsessed with this that it drives them away from the game. Who cares what other players do with their money?! If they are foolish enough to spend ridiculous amounts of money for virtual pixels, then laugh at their stupid life decisions and move on. Give yourself credit that you will earn your gear at your own pace and these same people would probably go into ruin the first casino they go to. Or these same players would put themselves into financial ruin because their neighbor got a nicer car than them. Who cares what they do?! Play the game at your own pace, income level, and with the time that you have and STOP WORRYING ABOUT EVERYONE ELSE!
I just can't get over the hate people spew about this game when they simply don't have to participate nor is it anyone's business what someone else does with their money. Laugh at their foolishness and move on!
I hear time and time again of players admitting to loving many things about the game but somehow even though AA has no alternative yet in the market, people choose to abandon imho the most feature rich unique MMO on the market because they obsess over their neighbor. How do you people cope in life because guess what, in life there are plenty of whales and haves and have nots just like in AA. It is just in your power to let it get to you or simply enjoy the game based on your own needs and lifestyle.
I have said it before and will say it again. The only person you are punishing by all this is yourself as you endlessly search for that "perfect mmo" that will never exist due to unrealistic expectations and conflicting desires. Have fun making your point while you are playing crappy wow clones.
I'll choose the latter because there is far more good in Archeage worth staying for than bad and plenty of goals left for me to achieve. Been playing AA for nearly 2 1/2 years, still fully engaged and still have lots to do. Proof is in the pudding and no other MMO on the market has anywhere near the long-term playability that AA has provided me nor is there anything else on the horizon that will.
So while many of you are obsessed with re-iterating ad nauseum the same point over and over and over, I'll actually be playing and enjoying AA.
Glad to hear from actual players that the game is not P2W, but that is not why i stopped playing. I'd love to go back to it but i will not play a half assed game as a non subscriber.
If XL/Trion are scared of freeloaders then ill happily pay for the client. I will not subscribe and i will not play for free with stupid restrictions, let alone use the cash shop and stay restricted. I sound like a broken record with this... but it is what it is.
Hackers, Exploits, Cheaters, bots are what drove me away from the game. The P2W aspect wasn't even an issue compared to those things.
F2P also drives me away, as it only supports all of the things above that I mentioned.
As a person who played/plays Archeage. It is P2W no debate. Shills will use semantics as a reason to not use the exact term as P2W but for normal people it's P2W. People who pay more have a direct advantage over others who don't. It's not rocket science either. Having a patron account means absolutely nothing. You have to have several if you wish to keep up with those who can/will throw real world currency to be ahead. This is the cold hard truth and no amount of white knighting will change this.
If this is what F2P gaming is about, I'll gladly go back to subscription models and complaining about publishers not having he content to justify the cost. I'd really hope they keep this low brow mobile gaming model away from PC games in the future. It fucking sucks.
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You can't get over me posting my opinion on a topic brought up for discussion on a public forum about a product I paid $300 for and have a very well earned opinion of?
Then don't read this thread.
To tell the truth, I was lurking the official forum lapping up the tears of people who were foolish and morally weak enough to buy land off the RMT hackers. Then I ran across some posts by people with real life disabilities who simply wish to enjoy a virtual break from real life in a game that offers housing and decorating and playing the godsdamn piano. I cried real tears over the completely unnecessary loss these players are about to suffer for the sake of Trion's greed.
Because this merger is all about cashing in.
Don't tell me that isn't the plan or the intent, either. There is no pther reason for the creation of a new server in the midst of a merger except to cash in on players trying to get land and spending every cent of their real life dollars possible to maximize their chances.
On top of that, I'd be MY last dollar that land hackers will get most of the new server land and will then sell it to the hapless players who missed out (thanks no doubt to copious DCs).
This merger is disgusting in a way I never thought any devs would stoop to or Western players would tolerate. After all, Western players come from the monthly sub model, and I thought we were a little better equipped to resist blatant pillaging by greedy companies due to this subscription heritage. Guess I was wrong. We are rapidly falling prey to the same greedy shenanigans our Eastern brethren have suffered from for far too long. Instead of getting better, this genre is getting progressively worse worldwide.
Admittedly, it's not at the level of real life genocide, but really, can we not do better? At least in our entertainment? It's the only power we have, that thing we call discretionary income, that income we don't have to spend on food, fuel, and a roof over our heads. Can we really not resist this pay to win, greedy, grasping pestilence?
I am convinced there is only one way to eliminate these grave evils, namely through the establishment of a socialist economy, accompanied by an educational system which would be oriented toward social goals.
~Albert Einstein
100% spot on... Totally fucking ruined by ineptitude and hackers !! RIP
Pre 1.2 Alpha was one of the most enjoyable gaming experiences I've ever had. I will never forget the fun times and the people I met. But that game is dead and that time is in the past.
Joined - July 2004
Pretty much this.
P2W breaks down to how you define it and it's different for everyone. As stated earlier some see it as ANY advantage that can be bought is evidence for p2w.
The TS economic crash with the rumbling trees was a gods send, at least TS trees are now affordable (before the rumbling TS trees were 1:3 versus Apex, now they are closer to 1:1 with apex being more expensive). The economy in the game is pretty stable and you can work it right if you follow the game news or do research. And rumblings are now loyalty/merit so cash is not needed.
As for the hacks/bug/bots. Honestly these are not nearly as bad as they were at launch (been playing since launch, subbed in Sept '14). I see bots every so often, but rarely do they last. I haven't heard of a land hacking incident since they added the limits on land placement and thank the Twelve they fixed the pirate castle bug.
Sieges are being fought and won, it just takes planning and teamwork. The one that has the most wins.
In the end, if you like the game play it. I tell others I enjoy it and if you want to try an open-world pvp game with naval combat and a prescient world then Archeage can fill that niche. Just don't sub until you try all of it (minus the land ownership, but if that's not your thing then why patron up?). Then if you want to throw money at it go for it.
Try before you buy is the best way to play f2p.
On the headstart debacle, yeah Trion frakked that one up, never should have offered it.
And on a final note for those that don't read the forums, the mergers will have the server numbers at the same as launch, when they were debating opening new servers at the start there was an out-cry against it sighting this exact event. That the new servers would be dead/mergered in the near future. So the game is going back to it's prelaunch weight, that isn't bad.
Learned AA know the day it launched (no Beta player).
Best MMORPG since a decade. Best gameplay since a decade. Playing every day and don't miss any other MMORPG i played inbetween since SWG, that was 2005.
OP is in everything right regarding "overheating hate" that AA doesn't deserve.
Can't think of other reasons then those who played Beta and played "another version" missing it or just your regular begrudger from other titles that love to post hate on other games forums.
It din't keep me from enjoying the best MMORPG game on the market right now.
PS: I don't expect a good game to be entirely for free so i am subscribed and stay subbed. Also i dont buy things from cash shop. It works for me and i feel in the same time very easy to keep that way. I feel sorry for people who try to pay to win and loose so much, because ..the game is not pay to win
Loved AA for what it offered, but let's not deny there is P2W going on here. Real money has definite impact in what is an almost 100% forced PvP game.
EDIT: unless you live in this game, good luck not spending any money to have a shot in any type of PvP. But if you do live in this game as a Free to play, you'll be ok.
Looking forward to: Crowfall / Lost Ark / Black Desert Mobile
Thanks for the music!
I am convinced there is only one way to eliminate these grave evils, namely through the establishment of a socialist economy, accompanied by an educational system which would be oriented toward social goals.
~Albert Einstein
Played AA for several months, beautiful in many ways, still using a screen shot as my computer background and would be playing now if not for Trion making several major game breaking decisions with unbalanced rewards for players who had quit and unbalancing the economy and that early hacking, loved my little farm and the gameplay but the rest was really, really irritating.
not the game, the company.
100% forced PvP eeek ! I thought you could choose not to PvP. I was mistaken then.
1. This game is not pay to win
2. Alpha was glorious, probably the BEST mmo in a long damn time and then Trion pussied out and caved into XLGAMES demand to change the vital systems that kept the world alive. I swear if someone copied the entire game in Alpha bit for bit and put in better anti hacking systems they'd get another 150 dollars from me in a heartbeat.
3. ArcheAge is a fantastic game, the problem is the hacking, period.
Any mmo worth its salt should be like a good prostitute when it comes to its game world- One hell of a faker, and a damn good shaker!
Nah hacking is not the problem, doing nothing or wrong things to solve it is.
Gave up on the game 2 weeks after it came out, was founder.
After seing nothing but row and rows of bots, allways the same names for 2 week i gave up.
I hear ya, if AA came out as purely a sub game like it was in Alpha phase it might have been a different story. As it stands I'm ok with it now because I use my EU toon to generate APEX purely for the subscription and some bonus credits too. I'm not one for playing the keeping up with the Jones' game so I'm ok with not having the most uber gear in game. It's all about having fun with what you got right? ArcheAge still is a great game none the less -- even with it's flaws.
Here I am playing probably the most hated and ridiculed MMO that has launched in recent years and I have ESO, GW2, Wildstar, and FFXIV:ARR collecting digital dust in my HDD.
Mission in life: Vanquish all MMORPG.com trolls - especially TESO, WOW and GW2 trolls.
Game going have land stortages about all the time, as the more people on that server unless they throw in instant base land as there more people then land to go around.
I self identify as a monkey.
Reading most of the stuff makes me shake my head. Did everyone forget about the blatant hacking, duping, exploiting wich has been going on since forever and Trion is unable to stop in any meaningful way?
If you plan to be competitive in ANY form PvP in this game you either play MANY MANY hours a week, or you do it like the smart people, exploit one of the (still working) bugs in this game and be done with your gearing in a week.
Besides all the cheating, bad deicisions from Trion, toxic community and blatant pay2win (labor pots huehue) I still have to admit that AA was the most fun for very very long time for me. But when I found out about what is actually going on with the economy there's simply no point in trying.
Never played the Alpha but what people are telling it was much much better than at release state, still wondering what made Trion go the other way, can only guess it's money.
Toxic community grow with type of game it is, if there a game all about how powerful you are on beating a raid, dungeon or in pvp as it's getting to being the part community that make things toxic for other players don't like that aspect or want power them self.
But can't put all the blame on trion about there wanted money as xlgame want alot the money as well, but there both business like any other business, if we don't agree the way there doing business we all move on.
Even if was bad for business, then EA would not been around how bad there been doing business for years and still get peoples money.