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  • LobotomistLobotomist Member RarePosts: 5,818
    Im actually looking forward to this game precisely because its click to move



  • Vada_GVada_G Member UncommonPosts: 85
    I haven't had a chance to play this run through yet, but they were supposed to add a few anti-zerg mechanics such as seeing large groups of players on the map and also scaling damage. Not sure if those were added.

    I'm older and having many years behind a keyboard, the click to move isn't my thing as it plays hell on my mousing arm. One of the original design elements of the game however is the portability to mobile devices, so click to move makes sense and it works given the isometric view.

    This is a GvG game, I highly recommend that if you're a solo/small group player you work with a much larger guild or bring some p2w power (yes, the game will be p2w). This is their model and they don't (and shouldn't) make a pretense otherwise. It is what it is and many people fit that niche. I also recommend that if you want to get involved in the game that you don't mess around and you get the headstart and the package with the ox (legendary I think it's called now). The headstart + ox will give your guild an insurmountable lead on everyone that doesn't pay for these advantages. It's either pay for the advantage at the start, or buy silver to catch up.

    That doesn't mean that a solo/small group can't enjoy the game, but you'll find that you will be limited in the content you can do and your progression will be extremely grinding and tedious.
  • Kuro1nKuro1n Member UncommonPosts: 775
    There is anti zerg mechanics, a focus fire buff and escalating AOE.
  • tom_goretom_gore Member UncommonPosts: 2,001
    I just plopped over the 30 bucks for the Beta access. Was delighted at first at the neat, cartoony graphics and the craft-your-own-gear approach. However, it soon hit me hard.

    The game "world" is comprised of tiniest of tiny instanced zones linked together by loading screens.

    I was really surprised that this "feature" of the game wasn't brought out more. It completely and immediately destroyed my interest in the game, as instead of a huge sandbox I got a series of small ones (literally square, too) linked by portals.

    There is nothing massive about AO, but I guess that's the limitation of having cross play with mobile devices. Wasted 30 bucks for me, but I guess I deserved it for not doing my research better.

  • Thomas2006Thomas2006 Member RarePosts: 1,130
    tom_gore said:
    I just plopped over the 30 bucks for the Beta access. Was delighted at first at the neat, cartoony graphics and the craft-your-own-gear approach. However, it soon hit me hard.

    The game "world" is comprised of tiniest of tiny instanced zones linked together by loading screens.

    I was really surprised that this "feature" of the game wasn't brought out more. It completely and immediately destroyed my interest in the game, as instead of a huge sandbox I got a series of small ones (literally square, too) linked by portals.

    There is nothing massive about AO, but I guess that's the limitation of having cross play with mobile devices. Wasted 30 bucks for me, but I guess I deserved it for not doing my research better.

    Of all the things to complain about..  I must lol at this one.. tiniest of tiny instanced zones...  lol..
  • tom_goretom_gore Member UncommonPosts: 2,001
    tom_gore said:
    I just plopped over the 30 bucks for the Beta access. Was delighted at first at the neat, cartoony graphics and the craft-your-own-gear approach. However, it soon hit me hard.

    The game "world" is comprised of tiniest of tiny instanced zones linked together by loading screens.

    I was really surprised that this "feature" of the game wasn't brought out more. It completely and immediately destroyed my interest in the game, as instead of a huge sandbox I got a series of small ones (literally square, too) linked by portals.

    There is nothing massive about AO, but I guess that's the limitation of having cross play with mobile devices. Wasted 30 bucks for me, but I guess I deserved it for not doing my research better.

    Of all the things to complain about..  I must lol at this one.. tiniest of tiny instanced zones...  lol..

    And why exactly do you laugh at that? You don't think it's a "valid" complaint? As a former UO player I was expecting a lot bigger zones.

    In AO you can literally run from one zone end to the other in less than one minute. If that's not tiny I don't know what is.

  • VolgoreVolgore Member EpicPosts: 3,872
    tom_gore said:

    And why exactly do you laugh at that? You don't think it's a "valid" complaint? As a former UO player I was expecting a lot bigger zones.

    In AO you can literally run from one zone end to the other in less than one minute. If that's not tiny I don't know what is.

    Sounds like "zoning" will be the #1 anti-pvp feature then.

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  • ste2000ste2000 Member EpicPosts: 6,194
    tom_gore said:
    I just plopped over the 30 bucks for the Beta access. Was delighted at first at the neat, cartoony graphics and the craft-your-own-gear approach. However, it soon hit me hard.

    The game "world" is comprised of tiniest of tiny instanced zones linked together by loading screens.

    I was really surprised that this "feature" of the game wasn't brought out more. It completely and immediately destroyed my interest in the game, as instead of a huge sandbox I got a series of small ones (literally square, too) linked by portals.

    That sucks, I am not really a fan of instance zoning particularly if the zones are small.
    Are the zones surrounded by something (Mountains) or there is an invisible wall?

  • tom_goretom_gore Member UncommonPosts: 2,001
    The zones are linked by a portal at each major direction, in the middle of the map. So while you can get to the zone edge at any point, you can cross over to the next zone only at the predetermined spot. And they're instanced, so you cannot see to the neighboring zones either.

    I haven't done any PvP yet, so no idea if you can zone while flagged or not. Hopefully not.
  • ste2000ste2000 Member EpicPosts: 6,194
    edited December 2015
    But what do you see at the edge of the zone

    Edit: Nevermind I forgot it's isometric view

  • LobotomistLobotomist Member RarePosts: 5,818
    tom_gore said:
    The zones are linked by a portal at each major direction, in the middle of the map. So while you can get to the zone edge at any point, you can cross over to the next zone only at the predetermined spot. And they're instanced, so you cannot see to the neighboring zones either.

    I haven't done any PvP yet, so no idea if you can zone while flagged or not. Hopefully not.
    That sucks in many ways.

    But on purely PVP functional side. That connections will be PK camped like hell.
    So even if you wanted to be stealthy and move alone around the zones, you will not be able to do it because of this stupid design.

    Now I totally lost all the interest in the game.



  • Thomas2006Thomas2006 Member RarePosts: 1,130
    edited December 2015
    tom_gore said:
    The zones are linked by a portal at each major direction, in the middle of the map. So while you can get to the zone edge at any point, you can cross over to the next zone only at the predetermined spot. And they're instanced, so you cannot see to the neighboring zones either.

    I haven't done any PvP yet, so no idea if you can zone while flagged or not. Hopefully not.
    That sucks in many ways.

    But on purely PVP functional side. That connections will be PK camped like hell.
    So even if you wanted to be stealthy and move alone around the zones, you will not be able to do it because of this stupid design.

    Now I totally lost all the interest in the game.
    Other then the fact that each spot where the maps connect is guarded by guards that one shot people that attempt to fight around them. Gate camping has not ever been a issue because of the above. If anything moving between zones is super safe.
  • tom_goretom_gore Member UncommonPosts: 2,001
    That sucks in many ways.

    But on purely PVP functional side. That connections will be PK camped like hell.
    So even if you wanted to be stealthy and move alone around the zones, you will not be able to do it because of this stupid design.

    Now I totally lost all the interest in the game.
    Well if their flagging system is smart, you only get flagged for non-zoning if you attack yourself. I.e. you can just escape back through the portal while those who attacked you cannot.

    No idea if it actually works like that though.

    Zoning itself in the game is really quick, takes just a couple of seconds.
  • vervainvervain Member UncommonPosts: 2
    @lobotomist exactly..
  • tom_goretom_gore Member UncommonPosts: 2,001
    tom_gore said:
    The zones are linked by a portal at each major direction, in the middle of the map. So while you can get to the zone edge at any point, you can cross over to the next zone only at the predetermined spot. And they're instanced, so you cannot see to the neighboring zones either.

    I haven't done any PvP yet, so no idea if you can zone while flagged or not. Hopefully not.
    That sucks in many ways.

    But on purely PVP functional side. That connections will be PK camped like hell.
    So even if you wanted to be stealthy and move alone around the zones, you will not be able to do it because of this stupid design.

    Now I totally lost all the interest in the game.
    Other then the fact that each spot where the maps connect is guarded by guards that one shot people that attempt to fight around them. Gate camping has not ever been a issue because of the above. If anything moving between zones is super safe.
    Well that certainly alleviates some of the potential problems from having to zone all the time. What it doesn't alleviate is the total immersion breaking from having to zone all the time.

    Some won't be bothered by that, for me it's pretty much a deal-breaker.

  • HaralinHaralin Member UncommonPosts: 148
    If you want to play this game you should have a guild or a big group of friends, otherwise you will not often get tier5 material, till this point the game can be fun, but gets boring fast. I bought a Founders Pack but i dont think i wasted my money, i like the devs so i will support them, even if i decide not to play this game.
  • spikers14spikers14 Member UncommonPosts: 531
    edited December 2015
    It's OK. There are quite a few things to look forward to in the game, unfortunately most sit squarely behind a rather boring grind. Its not that LONG of a grind timewise (until t4-5), just super repetitive, which makes if feel longer. The good news is Albion is still in the oven, however the base formula is unlikely to change.

    To be frank, ArcheAge felt more sandboxy to me. Combat is kind of clunky, but playable. There are few skills, and even then, some of the skills feel "samey"...I played frost mage and healer BTW.

    Crafting is all about producing in mass, hoping higher quality items PROC(RNG) --which is a sad state to be in -- A Vanguard-esque production system would fit Albion almost perfectly. Profession Interdependence is good, no matter which skill line you decide to hit....and the skill lines/tree needs lots of work, if for nothing else, clarity and detail. Here, it is called a Destiny Board, and further out you go, the more confined you will be. Its all about Specialization, and that's where the sandbox feel stops for me. We are talking years worth of pre-planned, ultra-specific grind. This is how they are hoping to "hold players for years".

    Even still, Albion is a good game. The question is: can the game be made more interesting, less confusing, and most importantly, is combat going to solidify?
  • AustrianAustrian Member UncommonPosts: 72
    edited December 2015
    tom_gore said:
    The zones are linked by a portal at each major direction, in the middle of the map. So while you can get to the zone edge at any point, you can cross over to the next zone only at the predetermined spot. And they're instanced, so you cannot see to the neighboring zones either.

    I haven't done any PvP yet, so no idea if you can zone while flagged or not. Hopefully not.
    That sucks in many ways.

    But on purely PVP functional side. That connections will be PK camped like hell.
    So even if you wanted to be stealthy and move alone around the zones, you will not be able to do it because of this stupid design.

    Now I totally lost all the interest in the game.
    Other then the fact that each spot where the maps connect is guarded by guards that one shot people that attempt to fight around them. Gate camping has not ever been a issue because of the above. If anything moving between zones is super safe.
    Incorrect. The only zones that are guarded by guards are the exits that connects to a city or green zone. Other than that gate camping is possible although I haven't seen it occur yet, but it's only the 2nd week and  people are focusing on trying to claim territories and go up in tier. However, once things begin to settle in I will bet that guilds will be gate camping the yellow and red zones that their territory resides. Mainly to keep out exterior farmers and potential pks.
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  • apb2011apb2011 Member UncommonPosts: 165
    It's a great game. Truly a sandbox.
  • tom_goretom_gore Member UncommonPosts: 2,001
    I've played a bit more now, and the zones do indeed get a bit bigger the further you go away from the trading hubs (cities and ports, if you will). They still all link via portals at the dead center of the edges of the square areas, though. Quite a letdown, but at least it's not as bad as it seems initially.

    This game indeed revolves around guild vs. guild warfare, and the PvE side is pretty shallow for what I can see so far. That's not necessarily a bad thing, but if you want to enjoy the game you will need to join a guild and rely on others. Soloing will not get you far.

    One thing is very similar to EVE - you will need to specialize. Unlocking everything would take years and years, so it's best to decide early what you want to be and start working towards it. You can still unlock basic Tier 3 ability in pretty much everything rather quickly, but after that you need to focus.

  • GunnJDGunnJD Member UncommonPosts: 18
    edited December 2015
    The zone thing is a non issue, and plays very much like EVE. Some zones are much larger than others, and you cannot easily navigate them all. Certainly not in one minute. If anything, travel feels more tedious than I would like. 

    The loading times between zones are INSTANTANEOUS practically. I'm big on immersion and I don't find it immersion breaking at all. Even if there weren't these brief loading screens, the world would still be organized the exact same way. The only difference would be the resources needed to load the game. 

    The further out you go, red and black zones, will put you into the most harsh PVP situations. Zoning is often an exciting experience as you never know what you're going to find on the other side. Scouts become important later on because of this reason.

    The PVE side of things is actually OK right now. More bosses with different mechanics are in the works, but doing PVE content with the guild is a lot of fun. 

    When you click "K", you can then click on the zone you'd like to inspect, and that will bring up the map for the zone. In case you wanted to take a look before going there.

    Yeah its tough out there to be solo, and you'll have much more fun rolling with a guild. 

    You don't really get a sense of the hard choices in the game until you hit tier 4 and "learning points" come into play. 

    Anybody that is serious about playing the game competitively will have premium. (Though honestly premium is EASILY obtained through in game silver.)

    Premium players get more learning points, but that doesn't necessarily make it pay to win. You can either spend learning points to unlock skills, or grind out a TON of fame. The idea is that less hardcore players will be able to spend learning points to stay competitive despite playing less. More hardcore players will grind down the learning point cost through fame, and then invest the learning points in other areas. So a more hardcore player may have a secondary weapon that is competitive, or could invest their extra learning points into an extra crafting tree to increase their auction house income. 

    The 300 learning points a non premium player has, is of course pretty limiting. It is an amount, however, that can be used well, and make for an effective build that a player could enjoy playing. They won't be able to specialize outside of an armor and weapon tree, without a LOT of grinding.

    The kinks are still being worked out, and I think the system will get some tweaks before release. The destiny board certainly will. 

    The game deserves a look from any MMO player that enjoys guilds and pvp. The guilds with the best organization and planning will succeed the most in this game, and that makes it fun. Players have to work together to get a good synchronization of their respective skills and help one another out.

    Lastly, "grindy" can mean "hard work = rewards", and that shouldn't be a bad thing. The latter is how I would describe Albion. How much fun you have in PVE, PVP, Crafting, gathering, or farming is entirely subjective. They give you the choice to find out which you like the most, and then focus on it.


  • LobotomistLobotomist Member RarePosts: 5,818
    This one entry point to a zone pretty much kills game for me.

    It will just be ganker camping spot. Even if there are gauards around the entry points ( how terribly immersion breaking) they can simply camp little bit further.

    This means that you will not be able to go around alone, no matter how stealthy you are. And that very high lvl kids will no life will simply be there and make the game unplayable.

    Gank heaven.


    If they only at least made 5-10 entry points to each zone (dont see why not). Or make the whole zone line be entry point (as I assumed they would do).Than this would not be a problem.

    Maybe they are trying to promote ganking gameplay ?

    Business wise its a suicide bullet.



  • tom_goretom_gore Member UncommonPosts: 2,001
    GunnJD said:
    The loading times between zones are INSTANTANEOUS practically. I'm big on immersion and I don't find it immersion breaking at all. Even if there weren't these brief loading screens, the world would still be organized the exact same way. The only difference would be the resources needed to load the game. 

    Yes the loading times are indeed very quick, and I guess for an EVE vet used to gate wars this is pretty ok. However, I find it hard to believe you don't find it immersion breaking that from a wide zone border only one spot links to the next zone. Having a seamless world or at least being able to cross the zone border at any point would mean a huge difference, although obviously the zones would all need to be reworked for that.

    Still, I'm willing to give the game a shot now that I've invested the 30 bucks. I like the fact you cannot easily do everything by yourselves, and I've always had a soft spot for player faction (guild/alliance) PvP. I'm also looking forward to their Guild war system, which if I understand correctly would allow guilds to PvP between themselves in safe zones, too. I hope they're smart enough to make it a mutual war invitation system and not a forced declaration like in EVE.
  • IkedaIkeda Member RarePosts: 2,745
    Just curious about how forced the PvP is.  I'm not a fan of it personally, but I've been reading up on this and every other aspect of the game intrigues me.
  • 351bryce351bryce Member UncommonPosts: 4
    Game is lame I wasted my money tbh, its a huge grind fest/race to get higher tier weapons by crafting then you need to level your skill to wield that weapon and arma that alone has just killed it for me this would take hours,I just want to have fun kill some players and loot them probably not possible for me now that im so behind......thats just the start you enter the game not knowing what to do where to go you venture out to maps that are pretty much the same that are just randomized except city's they are identical to each other....

    The pvp zones are also just crap this yellow zone where you only drop money is just boring and not needed.

    Like you cant even fight lower mobs to lvl your lvl3 tier weapon skill to tier 4 you need to fight tier 3 and its just so slow kill him heal wait for cooldowns, next one well as a hunter anyway...

    This is as a solo player, In a group with friends all on teamspeak I could see you having abit more fun to a point.

    there was more i wanted to add but ill leave it there its a good concept it just hasnt been done right.


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