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  • BladestromBladestrom Member UncommonPosts: 5,001
    12 millIon - fan 'look at the number of subs, game must be great!' blizzard : cash in boys!

    10 million - ""
    7 million - ""
    5 million - ""
    4 3 2 1 - year 2020 +

    Those arguing blizzard are doing a great job are making it easy for blizzard to under invest and allow stagnation. Maybe the game has just reached the end of its life and nothing can be done, with the normal path for major redesign filled out ie wow 2

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    Now playing GW2, AOW 3, ESO, LOTR, Elite D

  • JonBonJawaJonBonJawa Member UncommonPosts: 489

    Wildstar going F2P will be the death blow for WOW.

    WS is a million times better and ahead in every aspect

  • observerobserver Member RarePosts: 3,685

    Blizzard bailed out on the MMO market long ago.  That's why they cancelled "Titan".  It's also why they launched D3, Hearthstone, Heroes of the Storm, and soon Overwatch.

    WoW will be losing subs until a remnant is left to sustain it, much like EQ, DAoC, AC, etc.  So in that sense, the OP isn't far off.  

  • tawesstawess Member EpicPosts: 4,190
    Originally posted by Tamanous
    Originally posted by kartool
    Hahaha, read it here first folks. The most popular MMO ever made that has millions of subs is on life support.

    But I don't think you tried to understand. It is clear it isn't used in the standard definition as explained by many ... or simply used as exaggeration which is a common tool on forums to get emotion across.

     

    Few threads are about what is said. You must discover why it was said. You do that by understanding what you read or what people say. Few bother to that these days.

     

    That is what they call... Trolling... 

     

    It is a bad thing and you should be ashamed.

     

     

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    This have been a good conversation

  • FrodoFraginsFrodoFragins Member RarePosts: 4,547
    Originally posted by JonBonJawa

    Wildstar going F2P will be the death blow for WOW.

    WS is a million times better and ahead in every aspect

    LOL 10/10

     

     

  • KatillaKatilla Member UncommonPosts: 829
    Originally posted by smitty0356
    It has become the Detroit of mmo's. 

    NAILED IT.

  • 4getting20094getting2009 Member UncommonPosts: 178
    Originally posted by Wolfshead
    Originally posted by Robokapp

    WoW's subscription numbers drop to second place among MMOs for the first time in 40 years. In other news the Moon Colony reaches 100,000 inhabitants.

    I did not know the WoW have been around for 40 years and think i was there at start omg im that old!!! i think you mean in 10 year.

    WOOOOOOOOOSSSHHHHH!!!!!!

  • "Subs still high!!"

    "They make *conversion of number of subs times 14.99 USD* a month!!!!"

     

    Did people forget that a vast majority of the player base, or anyone with a full up-to-date garrison, can make the amount of gold required to sub in a couple of days? Am I the only one who understands that it's not black and white anymore? Hello?!

  • dreamsfadedreamsfade Member UncommonPosts: 339
    Originally posted by 4getting2009
    Originally posted by Wolfshead
    Originally posted by Robokapp

    WoW's subscription numbers drop to second place among MMOs for the first time in 40 years. In other news the Moon Colony reaches 100,000 inhabitants.

    I did not know the WoW have been around for 40 years and think i was there at start omg im that old!!! i think you mean in 10 year.

    WOOOOOOOOOSSSHHHHH!!!!!!

    He's been scalped. LOL

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  • RavingRabbidRavingRabbid Member UncommonPosts: 1,168


    They can still afford the janitorial staff that cleans the gold plated toilet seats after an executive poops. They're just fine.

    All my opinions are just that..opinions. If you like my opinions..coolness.If you dont like my opinion....I really dont care.
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  • reeereeereeereee Member UncommonPosts: 1,636
    Originally posted by Kirzan

    "Subs still high!!"

    "They make *conversion of number of subs times 14.99 USD* a month!!!!"

     

    Did people forget that a vast majority of the player base, or anyone with a full up-to-date garrison, can make the amount of gold required to sub in a couple of days? Am I the only one who understands that it's not black and white anymore? Hello?!

    That hasn't been a meaningful approximation since they started counting Asia subscribers and offering paid services.  Now that they have a full blown cash shop it's even less accurate than ever.  So no, the WoW Token just made an already horrible approximation a little less accurate. 

  • ErdaErda Member UncommonPosts: 211

    While I've enjoyed my third revisit to WoW over the many years I've played, my time is growing short again in game.   Hubby and I were two expansion behind so I've felt that I've gotten our money's worth out of our time playing.  I really don't have any regrets.  Now we find ourselves in a daily grind situation and for what?  We don't really raid nor do a whole lot of group activities.   With so many games out there including single player ones I've never played, I'm going to taper off of WoW and give some other titles a good try.  I will get my Draenor flying at some point.  I would like to complete one last achievement to get my drake for all the world events.   Then I will unsubscribe and wait again for a new expansion.

    With that said, I have such negative feelings about Warlords of Draenor at this point.  I really feel as if Blizzard has sucked some of the fun out of the game.   The Tanaan jungle seems so very uninspired.   The developers managed to nerf garrison missions into dull boring activities.  I know they wanted to decrease the gold from garrisons and get folks out in the world again.   But if you are going to do that, at least substitute it with interesting stuff to obtain.   Even the naval missions I find lackluster.   Now they are just dreadfully boring.  I have enough real life daily chores to do.   I've been doodling around with new alts and such but there are only so many times I can see the same zones and do the same things.   Even my long time WoW playing friend who will stay around until the servers are shut down sees garrisons as very uninspired.   She is creating yet more alts and will do her endless fishing routines I guess until the next expansion hits in a year or so.   And work on achievements I guess.

    Anyway, I will be on to other games.   I'm playing ESO again and when Wildstar goes F2P, I may try it.  I do love housing and heard that they have a great system.   And there are numerous single player games out there to try.   I'm sure that WoW is doing just fine subscription wise and isn't on life support.  However I do feel that the game is lacking something at this point.   I still think it is a fine game.....but sadly it isn't doing anything for me.

     

  • LawlmonsterLawlmonster Member UncommonPosts: 1,085
    Originally posted by Kirzan

    "Subs still high!!"

    "They make *conversion of number of subs times 14.99 USD* a month!!!!"

     

    Did people forget that a vast majority of the player base, or anyone with a full up-to-date garrison, can make the amount of gold required to sub in a couple of days? Am I the only one who understands that it's not black and white anymore? Hello?!

    Yes, I think we all realize that tokens can be paid with by gold. Those tokens, though? They're all bought and paid for by someone using an actual currency. Even if 90% of their player base renewed their subscriptions through tokens, from the auction house, Blizzard would be making exactly the same revenue as if 0% of their customers were using them (more, I think, since the tokens are 20 bucks and the actual subscriptions are 14.99 per thirty days).

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  • fodell54fodell54 Member RarePosts: 859
    Originally posted by Wolfshead
    Originally posted by Robokapp

    WoW's subscription numbers drop to second place among MMOs for the first time in 40 years. In other news the Moon Colony reaches 100,000 inhabitants.

    I did not know the WoW have been around for 40 years and think i was there at start omg im that old!!! i think you mean in 10 year.

     

    Not the sharpest knife in the drawer.

  • reeereeereeereee Member UncommonPosts: 1,636
    Originally posted by Lawlmonster
    Originally posted by Kirzan

    "Subs still high!!"

    "They make *conversion of number of subs times 14.99 USD* a month!!!!"

     

    Did people forget that a vast majority of the player base, or anyone with a full up-to-date garrison, can make the amount of gold required to sub in a couple of days? Am I the only one who understands that it's not black and white anymore? Hello?!

    Yes, I think we all realize that tokens can be paid with by gold. Those tokens, though? They're all bought and paid for by someone using an actual currency. Even if 90% of their player base renewed their subscriptions through tokens, from the auction house, Blizzard would be making exactly the same revenue as if 0% of their customers were using them (more, I think, since the tokens are 20 bucks and the actual subscriptions are 14.99 per thirty days).

    It's rather genius when you look at it that way.  They managed to both raise the subscription fee by 33% on a large number of players while at the same time making it dramatically easier for those players to stay subscribed.

  • TheScavengerTheScavenger Member EpicPosts: 3,321

    WoW never had 10 million or whatever subscribers. Well, it technically did.

     

    But, that is REGISTERED users. So at one point they may have been a subscriber, but no longer. WoW only had 500k or so at most (CURRENT subs, not total registered) at peak like most other MMOs do.

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  • gervaise1gervaise1 Member EpicPosts: 6,919
    Originally posted by TheScavenger

    WoW never had 10 million or whatever subscribers. Well, it technically did.

    But, that is REGISTERED users. So at one point they may have been a subscriber, but no longer. WoW only had 500k or so at most (CURRENT subs, not total registered) at peak like most other MMOs do.

    Please not this again.

    Activision Blizzard report "paying subscribers" in their formal reports to shareholders. The "be heavily fined with possible jail time if they lie" reports. How much money WoW is making and might make going forward impacts the share price. There will be nothing fake about the report.

    And in their last report WoW made c. $270M in the quarter. (Exact number in SEC filing). 

    So if WoW only had 500k at most subscribers then they paid, on average, $180 a month or more. Each month for three months; $540 in total. Alternatively WoW had 7.1M subscribers paying an average of c. $13 a month.

    The number of registered users they gave out - last year I think it was was - was over 100M.

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