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  • HarikenHariken Member EpicPosts: 2,585
    Originally posted by dotdotdash

     


    Originally posted by Betakodo
    So they now offer a character slot if you activated the game before a certain date. They should have done that in the first place (See Guild Wars Factions and Nightfall which they did without cash shop items in the game). The game is still too expensive in my opinion for what they claim to have in it, plus I'm pretty sure HoT is going to be loaded with cash shop items anyways.


     

    People need to get it through their heads that they aren't adding to the price of the expansion with the addition of the base game. They are giving people who buy the expansion a FREE copy of Guild Wars 2 vanilla with the expansion IF you don't have an existing Guild Wars 2 account.

    Let me break it down for you so it's easier for you to digest:

    1) If you DON'T own a copy of Guild Wars 2, you get a FREE copy with HotT.
    2) If you DO own a copy Guild Wars 2, you get a FREE character slot.
    2a) If you got your copy of Guild Wars 2 in (roughly) 2015, you are entitled to a full refund.

    That's it.

    [mod edit]

    So if you own the game its a 50 dollar character slot lol.

  • someforumguysomeforumguy Member RarePosts: 4,078
    Originally posted by Volkon
    Originally posted by grimal
    Originally posted by Bladestrom
    ^^ a compelling reason? It's $2 a month averaged out, should it be $30 and $150 a year sub instead?

    What is their reason for not offering the expansion separately?

    You're looking at it wrong. The expansion is separate. However, if you're a new player they're adding the core game whereas if you're a veteran you're getting an additional character slot. 

     

    The core is an added incentive, not a part of the expansion. The character slot is an incentive, not a part of the expansion.

    It just is kind of sad for people who already spent on the game. They don't even get a discount for already owning the core game that they purchased in the past.

    New player buys expansion, gets core for free and has complete game. Which is great, because what use is an expansion without the core game.

    Existing player already has core game and wants to buy expansion and has to pay the same for it as a new player. Even though they already spent money on the core game. I think that this sends the wrong message to existing players (active or not). Why should a loyal player have to pay more in the end?

    I think too that there should be two packages.

     

    EDIT : Just imagine having bought GW2 core just before the press release how expansion would include core. Lol.

  • VolkonVolkon Member UncommonPosts: 3,748
    Originally posted by someforumguy
    Originally posted by Volkon
    Originally posted by grimal
    Originally posted by Bladestrom
    ^^ a compelling reason? It's $2 a month averaged out, should it be $30 and $150 a year sub instead?

    What is their reason for not offering the expansion separately?

    You're looking at it wrong. The expansion is separate. However, if you're a new player they're adding the core game whereas if you're a veteran you're getting an additional character slot. 

     

    The core is an added incentive, not a part of the expansion. The character slot is an incentive, not a part of the expansion.

    It just is kind of sad for people who already spent on the game. They don't even get a discount for already owning the core game that they purchased in the past.

    New player buys expansion, gets core for free and has complete game. Which is great, because what use is an expansion without the core game.

    Existing player already has core game and wants to buy expansion and has to pay the same for it as a new player. Even though they already spent money on the core game. I think that this sends the wrong message to existing players (active or not). Why should a loyal player have to pay more in the end?

    I think too that there should be two packages.

    Well no kidding. The expansion is a set price, everyone pays that price for it. That's pretty much how things work. You're not paying any more than a new player for the expansion. The fact that new players get the core as incentive is irrelevant. The fact that vets paid for the core years ago is irrelevant. One price today, varying incentives. New players won't get the extra slot, nor will they get the years of experience the rest of us have. 

     

    "EDIT : Just imagine having bought GW2 core just before the press release how expansion would include core. Lol."

     

    They're refunding the cost of the core game for those people. 

    Oderint, dum metuant.

  • DistopiaDistopia Member EpicPosts: 21,183
    Originally posted by StoneRoses
     

    People do not want options or they ignore it all together. They see a price tag on it and it suddenly becomes an issue.

     

    Who said anything about  them charging for it being an issue? I also didn't ignore it, that point came with the original post by MadOtak. which I responded to,  Let me put it as plainly as possible, you can't argue something is free, while a company makes a dime off someone for it. No matter how you slice it or the options available, they're still making money off of it. WHich means you can't turn around and say, that's part of the box fee...How hard is that to understand?

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  • exile01exile01 Member RarePosts: 1,089
    Originally posted by Volkon
    Originally posted by grimal
    Originally posted by Bladestrom
    ^^ a compelling reason? It's $2 a month averaged out, should it be $30 and $150 a year sub instead?

    What is their reason for not offering the expansion separately?

    You're looking at it wrong. The expansion is separate. However, if you're a new player they're adding the core game whereas if you're a veteran you're getting an additional character slot. 

     

    The core is an added incentive, not a part of the expansion. The character slot is an incentive, not a part of the expansion.

     

     

    No you are looking it wrong. You are the one whos beeing fooled by their marketing department. Open your eyes a bit.

    The price does not equal the full vanilla game. It does not provide the equal amount of content to be 50 Dollar/Euro.

    They are making you belive, GW2 Vanilla is for free, but for f**** sake, dont you see your beeing manipulated into believing that? Nothing is free and your paying the price for GW2 vanilla and those extra cost for the new f2p update, aka HoT.

    They are trying to do everything making you belive, that you get the game for free- and they also changed some information in Q+A- just to fit the new concept- but before that, it was clearly stated that the addon is a standalone- thats why they lowered the price- just to milk all they can. Its called false advertizement.

     

    I myself bought 4 copys- i dont regret it because i sold them for the double price :)

     

    *Edit also by adding the main game- it does look like your getting more- its fuking shady and dishonest to their loyal customer base.

  • someforumguysomeforumguy Member RarePosts: 4,078
    Originally posted by Volkon
    Originally posted by someforumguy
    Originally posted by Volkon
    Originally posted by grimal
    Originally posted by Bladestrom
    ^^ a compelling reason? It's $2 a month averaged out, should it be $30 and $150 a year sub instead?

    What is their reason for not offering the expansion separately?

    You're looking at it wrong. The expansion is separate. However, if you're a new player they're adding the core game whereas if you're a veteran you're getting an additional character slot. 

     

    The core is an added incentive, not a part of the expansion. The character slot is an incentive, not a part of the expansion.

    It just is kind of sad for people who already spent on the game. They don't even get a discount for already owning the core game that they purchased in the past.

    New player buys expansion, gets core for free and has complete game. Which is great, because what use is an expansion without the core game.

    Existing player already has core game and wants to buy expansion and has to pay the same for it as a new player. Even though they already spent money on the core game. I think that this sends the wrong message to existing players (active or not). Why should a loyal player have to pay more in the end?

    I think too that there should be two packages.

    Well no kidding. The expansion is a set price, everyone pays that price for it. That's pretty much how things work. You're not paying any more than a new player for the expansion. The fact that new players get the core as incentive is irrelevant. The fact that vets paid for the core years ago is irrelevant. One price today, varying incentives. New players won't get the extra slot, nor will they get the years of experience the rest of us have. 

     

    "EDIT : Just imagine having bought GW2 core just before the press release how expansion would include core. Lol."

     

    They're refunding the cost of the core game for those people. 

    You can't even buy vanilla GW2 anymore. Also,it can only be free for new players, because the existing players paid for it in the past and made the expansion possible to develop. This is Arenanet's way of saying thanks to those players lol.

    Also, you pay a lot more then new players. When you buy the expansion as new player, the majority of content that comes with it, is the core game. So you could just as well argue that new players get the expansion content for dirt cheap (because that is just a small part of total content) and the existing players have to pay premium price for those new bits they didn't already have.

    You just fall for marketing lingo.

  • NightHaveNNightHaveN Member UncommonPosts: 1,051
    Originally posted by dotdotdash

      Originally posted by Betakodo
    So they now offer a character slot if you activated the game before a certain date. They should have done that in the first place (See Guild Wars Factions and Nightfall which they did without cash shop items in the game). The game is still too expensive in my opinion for what they claim to have in it, plus I'm pretty sure HoT is going to be loaded with cash shop items anyways.

     

    People need to get it through their heads that they aren't adding to the price of the expansion with the addition of the base game. They are giving people who buy the expansion a FREE copy of Guild Wars 2 vanilla with the expansion IF you don't have an existing Guild Wars 2 account.

    Let me break it down for you so it's easier for you to digest:

    1) If you DON'T own a copy of Guild Wars 2, you get a FREE copy with HotT.
    2) If you DO own a copy Guild Wars 2, you get a FREE character slot.
    2a) If you got your copy of Guild Wars 2 in (roughly) 2015, you are entitled to a full refund.

    That's it.

    [mod edit]

    Also people still don't get it. Even if you compare the price of the expansions to smaller games instead of WoW and FFXIV, the price isn't that bad if compared on a similar time frame.

    * SWTOR 2 paid expansions (2013/2014) $40 dollars

    * DCUO $5 per DLC Times 3 per year = $15. That in 3 years equals $45. And some years had 4 DLC.

    * Destiny 2 DLC already $40 for both and not even a year old title.

    Didn't want a WOW comparison, then take that. There are worse cases than WoW out there.

  • VolkonVolkon Member UncommonPosts: 3,748
    Originally posted by exile01

     

    No you are looking it wrong. You are the one whos beeing fooled by their marketing department. Open your eyes a bit.

    The price does not equal the full vanilla game. It does not provide the equal amount of content to be 50 Dollar/Euro.

    They are making you belive, GW2 Vanilla is for free, but for f**** sake, dont you see your beeing manipulated into believing that? Nothing is free and your paying the price for GW2 vanilla and those extra cost for the new f2p update, aka HoT.

    They are trying to do everything making you belive, that you get the game for free- and they also changed some information in Q+A- just to fit the new concept- but before that, it was clearly stated that the addon is a standalone- thats why they lowered the price- just to milk all they can. Its called false advertizement.

     

    I myself bought 4 copys- i dont regret it because i sold them for the double price :)

     

    *Edit also by adding the main game- it does look like your getting more- its fuking shady and dishonest to their loyal customer base.

     

    No, you're definitely full of it. They're not trying to make me believe I'm getting the game for free at all. I already have it. As a result, instead of getting a bundle with the core added as incentive I'm getting an extra character slot as incentive. I know full well that I'm paying $50 for the expansion alone, no core thrown in. (Actually bought the ultimate upgrade, twice, as a tip of the hat for the work they've done so far.) 

    The expansion has never been a standalone item. You've always needed the core to play. Unless you're wording things wrong, which is possible, you're a liar. 

    Also your statement that the expansion doesn't give the same amount of content is irrelevant. Practically no expansion does. This is basal knowledge and accepted across the gaming communities. 

    To clarify your edit... You do not get the main game added in if you're an existing player. You only get that if you're a new player as added incentive and to reduce the cost impact to a new player wishing to join the game. My expansion, to my existing account, will not include the core game again. 

    Oderint, dum metuant.

  • TorvalTorval Member LegendaryPosts: 21,404
    Originally posted by Distopia
    Originally posted by SteeJanz
    Originally posted by Distopia
    Originally posted by SteeJanz
    Originally posted by Distopia
    Originally posted by MadOtaku
    Whether its a fair price is irrelevant with the expansion your not just buying the base things your also buying the immense amount of living world that will follow all next year, which will be loads of content period.

    That would only be a fair point if they do not monetize the LS like they have in the past. Once they do it's no longer a free content update, it's paid DLC., which shouldn't be factored into such arguments. As it places said content outside the binds of the box fee.

    Your argument is a little disingenuous isn't it.  It kind of changes when you add other facts, that it actually was offered for free by merely logging in anytime during the LS chapter.  You got it whether you played it or not.  Those that didn't log in or couldn't can obtain it with in-game gold without spending any RL money or can group with someone that has the LS content and play it for free. 

    While you have a point, it seems a pretty big stretch to apply here since this is nowhere close to traditional DLC.  

    I don't see how simply saying once they start charging for it, it's no longer to be considered part of the box fee, is disingenuous. I'd say it's being disingenuous to ignore it becoming a revenue stream. 

    It's limited run content that has a window of free time, once that window is over it becomes part of their every day revenue (ie the cash shop).

    Again, not completely true on the "limited" run for free statement.  I have taken a buddy of mine through a chapter of the LS so that he didn't have to pay for it.  I can take you tomorrow.  It only becomes part of  revenue stream if the consumer chooses it for convenience sake.  And whether we like it or not, it isn't up to us to determine what others are willing to contribute to the cash shop for the convenience of not farming for gold or having a friend.

    I agree with you if a purchase is required to obtain the content.   But when a developer provides multiple avenues to obtaining missed content, we as players should be encouraging it.   Again, I like your argument but I believe you are stretching it in its application here.  For your box price, you can experience the LS content that you missed without paying for it.  You can argue the ways to obtain it, but you have a choice whether to contribute to the cash shop or not and still get the content.  

    I guess I should have worded it that it is disingenuous not mention all options in your argument.  

    I personally play GW2 with my wife, so pretty much anything we do we do on our own, it's a fast moving experience, which makes the whole meeting others thing problematic, everyone is zigging and zagging their way toward what ever event pops. GW2 also isn't my main game, I'd rather not spend the time I do with it, grinding gold, I don't mind paying for the LS stuff, I just don't like the argument that i got it for free...or With my original box cost. OR that i should factor the future LS stuff into this box purchase. As it will probably be the same story there. It just seems like a have your cake and eat it too argument.

    The issue again isn't that they charge for it, it's ignoring that they do, it may not be on your dime, that's not the case for everyone. The only reason I didn't argue the complexities is because they were covered under his post. I gave the other side of the story.

    You had the opportunity to get the LS stuff by logging in and clicking the story chapter. That's all you had to do. The issue isn't that they do charge for it but oversimplifying it and pretending that getting it for no additional charge was some huge hurdle, or that you can't do that easily today. The other side of the story, in this case, is as white-washed as the "it's free" side.

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  • VolkonVolkon Member UncommonPosts: 3,748
    Originally posted by someforumguy

    You can't even buy vanilla GW2 anymore. Also,it can only be free for new players, because the existing players paid for it in the past and made the expansion possible to develop. This is Arenanet's way of saying thanks to those players lol.

    Also, you pay a lot more then new players. When you buy the expansion as new player, the majority of content that comes with it, is the core game. So you could just as well argue that new players get the expansion content for dirt cheap (because that is just a small part of total content) and the existing players have to pay premium price for those new bits they didn't already have.

    You just fall for marketing lingo.

    Yes, you can no longer buy the core alone (I checked the shop to be sure) and that makes sense... the expansion comes with the core for new players. That's smart business actually. It wouldn't make sense to sell the core alone anymore when they'd simply be refunding the purchase of the core if the person turned around and bought the expansion. 

    I'm not paying any more than new players, that's a load of poo. The expansion for me costs the same as it does for them. You seem intent on comparing the incentives and mixing them with the price which is disingenuous at best. I've had the core for nearly three years now, since closed beta. I've definitely received value for that initial cost.

    Oderint, dum metuant.

  • TorvalTorval Member LegendaryPosts: 21,404
    Originally posted by Volkon
    Originally posted by someforumguy
    Originally posted by Volkon
    Originally posted by grimal
    Originally posted by Bladestrom
    ^^ a compelling reason? It's $2 a month averaged out, should it be $30 and $150 a year sub instead?

    What is their reason for not offering the expansion separately?

    You're looking at it wrong. The expansion is separate. However, if you're a new player they're adding the core game whereas if you're a veteran you're getting an additional character slot. 

    The core is an added incentive, not a part of the expansion. The character slot is an incentive, not a part of the expansion.

    It just is kind of sad for people who already spent on the game. They don't even get a discount for already owning the core game that they purchased in the past.

    New player buys expansion, gets core for free and has complete game. Which is great, because what use is an expansion without the core game.

    Existing player already has core game and wants to buy expansion and has to pay the same for it as a new player. Even though they already spent money on the core game. I think that this sends the wrong message to existing players (active or not). Why should a loyal player have to pay more in the end?

    I think too that there should be two packages.

    Well no kidding. The expansion is a set price, everyone pays that price for it. That's pretty much how things work. You're not paying any more than a new player for the expansion. The fact that new players get the core as incentive is irrelevant. The fact that vets paid for the core years ago is irrelevant. One price today, varying incentives. New players won't get the extra slot, nor will they get the years of experience the rest of us have. 

    "EDIT : Just imagine having bought GW2 core just before the press release how expansion would include core. Lol."

    They're refunding the cost of the core game for those people. 

    I wouldn't call the xpac separate and you can't buy the core game outside of it anymore. Maybe some of the people in this thread trip over the idea that upgrading the game or buying and playing it for the first time are the same price. They want a cheap deal and use all sorts of convoluted excuses as to why they should get that. It's not easy to find an exactly similar situation because ANet's way of monetizing their game is different just like most games. I guess that threw some gamers.

    Most games, at least the AAA games, have their own little twist on how they monetize. The Secret World isn't the same type of B2P as GW2. SWTOR has their own take on Freemium and the Cartel Market. Tera's F2P isn't like LotRO or Neverwinter.

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  • grimalgrimal Member UncommonPosts: 2,920
    Originally posted by Volkon
    Originally posted by grimal
    Originally posted by Bladestrom
    ^^ a compelling reason? It's $2 a month averaged out, should it be $30 and $150 a year sub instead?

    What is their reason for not offering the expansion separately?

    You're looking at it wrong. The expansion is separate. However, if you're a new player they're adding the core game whereas if you're a veteran you're getting an additional character slot. 

     

    The core is an added incentive, not a part of the expansion. The character slot is an incentive, not a part of the expansion.

    That is one way of looking at it.  It is not the right way.  It is one way.

    The other way is that the content of the expansion is so little that they need to tack on the original game to justify the $50 price tag.  This is to make it appear as it is being thrown into the package as "free".  They are not offering a separate price for the expansion because they realize the fair market price for it would be much less than $50.  But instead of offering this option, at the expense of lost revenue, they are spinning this as being generous to new players.

  • grimalgrimal Member UncommonPosts: 2,920
    Originally posted by Volkon
    Originally posted by exile01

     

    No you are looking it wrong. You are the one whos beeing fooled by their marketing department. Open your eyes a bit.

    The price does not equal the full vanilla game. It does not provide the equal amount of content to be 50 Dollar/Euro.

    They are making you belive, GW2 Vanilla is for free, but for f**** sake, dont you see your beeing manipulated into believing that? Nothing is free and your paying the price for GW2 vanilla and those extra cost for the new f2p update, aka HoT.

    They are trying to do everything making you belive, that you get the game for free- and they also changed some information in Q+A- just to fit the new concept- but before that, it was clearly stated that the addon is a standalone- thats why they lowered the price- just to milk all they can. Its called false advertizement.

     

    I myself bought 4 copys- i dont regret it because i sold them for the double price :)

     

    *Edit also by adding the main game- it does look like your getting more- its fuking shady and dishonest to their loyal customer base.

     

    No, you're definitely full of it. They're not trying to make me believe I'm getting the game for free at all. I already have it. As a result, instead of getting a bundle with the core added as incentive I'm getting an extra character slot as incentive. I know full well that I'm paying $50 for the expansion alone, no core thrown in. (Actually bought the ultimate upgrade, twice, as a tip of the hat for the work they've done so far.) 

    The expansion has never been a standalone item. You've always needed the core to play. Unless you're wording things wrong, which is possible, you're a liar. 

    Also your statement that the expansion doesn't give the same amount of content is irrelevant. Practically no expansion does. This is basal knowledge and accepted across the gaming communities. 

    To clarify your edit... You do not get the main game added in if you're an existing player. You only get that if you're a new player as added incentive and to reduce the cost impact to a new player wishing to join the game. My expansion, to my existing account, will not include the core game again. 

    This is incorrect as their previous FAQ suggested that one would need to purchase the full game to play the expansion.

  • VolkonVolkon Member UncommonPosts: 3,748
    Originally posted by grimal
    Originally posted by Volkon
    Originally posted by exile01

     

    No you are looking it wrong. You are the one whos beeing fooled by their marketing department. Open your eyes a bit.

    The price does not equal the full vanilla game. It does not provide the equal amount of content to be 50 Dollar/Euro.

    They are making you belive, GW2 Vanilla is for free, but for f**** sake, dont you see your beeing manipulated into believing that? Nothing is free and your paying the price for GW2 vanilla and those extra cost for the new f2p update, aka HoT.

    They are trying to do everything making you belive, that you get the game for free- and they also changed some information in Q+A- just to fit the new concept- but before that, it was clearly stated that the addon is a standalone- thats why they lowered the price- just to milk all they can. Its called false advertizement.

     

    I myself bought 4 copys- i dont regret it because i sold them for the double price :)

     

    *Edit also by adding the main game- it does look like your getting more- its fuking shady and dishonest to their loyal customer base.

     

    No, you're definitely full of it. They're not trying to make me believe I'm getting the game for free at all. I already have it. As a result, instead of getting a bundle with the core added as incentive I'm getting an extra character slot as incentive. I know full well that I'm paying $50 for the expansion alone, no core thrown in. (Actually bought the ultimate upgrade, twice, as a tip of the hat for the work they've done so far.) 

    The expansion has never been a standalone item. You've always needed the core to play. Unless you're wording things wrong, which is possible, you're a liar. 

    Also your statement that the expansion doesn't give the same amount of content is irrelevant. Practically no expansion does. This is basal knowledge and accepted across the gaming communities. 

    To clarify your edit... You do not get the main game added in if you're an existing player. You only get that if you're a new player as added incentive and to reduce the cost impact to a new player wishing to join the game. My expansion, to my existing account, will not include the core game again. 

    This is incorrect as their previous FAQ suggested that one would need to purchase the full game to play the expansion.

    You have evidence of this assertion?

    Oderint, dum metuant.

  • grimalgrimal Member UncommonPosts: 2,920
    Originally posted by Volkon
    Originally posted by grimal
    Originally posted by Volkon
    Originally posted by exile01

     

    No you are looking it wrong. You are the one whos beeing fooled by their marketing department. Open your eyes a bit.

    The price does not equal the full vanilla game. It does not provide the equal amount of content to be 50 Dollar/Euro.

    They are making you belive, GW2 Vanilla is for free, but for f**** sake, dont you see your beeing manipulated into believing that? Nothing is free and your paying the price for GW2 vanilla and those extra cost for the new f2p update, aka HoT.

    They are trying to do everything making you belive, that you get the game for free- and they also changed some information in Q+A- just to fit the new concept- but before that, it was clearly stated that the addon is a standalone- thats why they lowered the price- just to milk all they can. Its called false advertizement.

     

    I myself bought 4 copys- i dont regret it because i sold them for the double price :)

     

    *Edit also by adding the main game- it does look like your getting more- its fuking shady and dishonest to their loyal customer base.

     

    No, you're definitely full of it. They're not trying to make me believe I'm getting the game for free at all. I already have it. As a result, instead of getting a bundle with the core added as incentive I'm getting an extra character slot as incentive. I know full well that I'm paying $50 for the expansion alone, no core thrown in. (Actually bought the ultimate upgrade, twice, as a tip of the hat for the work they've done so far.) 

    The expansion has never been a standalone item. You've always needed the core to play. Unless you're wording things wrong, which is possible, you're a liar. 

    Also your statement that the expansion doesn't give the same amount of content is irrelevant. Practically no expansion does. This is basal knowledge and accepted across the gaming communities. 

    To clarify your edit... You do not get the main game added in if you're an existing player. You only get that if you're a new player as added incentive and to reduce the cost impact to a new player wishing to join the game. My expansion, to my existing account, will not include the core game again. 

    This is incorrect as their previous FAQ suggested that one would need to purchase the full game to play the expansion.

    You have evidence of this assertion?

    Here you go:  http://imgur.com/SAsawP8

    This is a snapshot taken by a user to show the FAQ before and after.

  • DakeruDakeru Member EpicPosts: 3,797
    Originally posted by grimal
    Originally posted by Volkon

    You have evidence of this assertion?

    Here you go:  http://imgur.com/SAsawP8

    This is a snapshot taken by a user to show the FAQ before and after.

    I'm amazed anyone is even asking for proof. I thought it was commonly known that Anet plain lied in this matter.

     

    Inb4 fans jump in: "They didn't lie, they are just giving away the game for free now!"

    Harbinger of Fools
  • VolkonVolkon Member UncommonPosts: 3,748
    Originally posted by grimal
    Originally posted by Volkon
    Originally posted by grimal
    Originally posted by Volkon
    Originally posted by exile01

     

    No you are looking it wrong. You are the one whos beeing fooled by their marketing department. Open your eyes a bit.

    The price does not equal the full vanilla game. It does not provide the equal amount of content to be 50 Dollar/Euro.

    They are making you belive, GW2 Vanilla is for free, but for f**** sake, dont you see your beeing manipulated into believing that? Nothing is free and your paying the price for GW2 vanilla and those extra cost for the new f2p update, aka HoT.

    They are trying to do everything making you belive, that you get the game for free- and they also changed some information in Q+A- just to fit the new concept- but before that, it was clearly stated that the addon is a standalone- thats why they lowered the price- just to milk all they can. Its called false advertizement.

     

    I myself bought 4 copys- i dont regret it because i sold them for the double price :)

     

    *Edit also by adding the main game- it does look like your getting more- its fuking shady and dishonest to their loyal customer base.

     

    No, you're definitely full of it. They're not trying to make me believe I'm getting the game for free at all. I already have it. As a result, instead of getting a bundle with the core added as incentive I'm getting an extra character slot as incentive. I know full well that I'm paying $50 for the expansion alone, no core thrown in. (Actually bought the ultimate upgrade, twice, as a tip of the hat for the work they've done so far.) 

    The expansion has never been a standalone item. You've always needed the core to play. Unless you're wording things wrong, which is possible, you're a liar. 

    Also your statement that the expansion doesn't give the same amount of content is irrelevant. Practically no expansion does. This is basal knowledge and accepted across the gaming communities. 

    To clarify your edit... You do not get the main game added in if you're an existing player. You only get that if you're a new player as added incentive and to reduce the cost impact to a new player wishing to join the game. My expansion, to my existing account, will not include the core game again. 

    This is incorrect as their previous FAQ suggested that one would need to purchase the full game to play the expansion.

    You have evidence of this assertion?

    Here you go:  http://imgur.com/SAsawP8

    This is a snapshot taken by a user to show the FAQ before and after.

    The expansion has never been a standalone item. That FAQ verifies it, it doesn't refute it. 

    Before: Guild Wars 2: Heart of Thorns is an expansion to Guild Wars 2 and not a stand alone campaign...

    After: Yes, but GW2 HoT includes the core game

     

    I said it was never a standalone, you said I was wrong... then posted a link showinng that it never was a standalone. I have no idea where you're going with this.

    The only difference is that they added the core for free when you buy the expansion now. Either way, it's still not a standalone, you need the core to play.

     

    Oderint, dum metuant.

  • FrodoFraginsFrodoFragins Member EpicPosts: 5,159

    So the argument now is that the expansion isn't worth the money for existing players?  Fair enough.  I felt the same way about every LOTRO expansion after Moria.

     

    That's a sad thing though, but I never understood their B2P model with so much new content.   But even with that consumer friendly model they didn't come close to meeting their goal of matching WOW's player numbers.

  • NanfoodleNanfoodle Member LegendaryPosts: 9,446
    Originally posted by Volkon
    Originally posted by grimal
    Originally posted by Volkon
    Originally posted by grimal
    Originally posted by Volkon
    Originally posted by exile01

     

    No you are looking it wrong. You are the one whos beeing fooled by their marketing department. Open your eyes a bit.

    The price does not equal the full vanilla game. It does not provide the equal amount of content to be 50 Dollar/Euro.

    They are making you belive, GW2 Vanilla is for free, but for f**** sake, dont you see your beeing manipulated into believing that? Nothing is free and your paying the price for GW2 vanilla and those extra cost for the new f2p update, aka HoT.

    They are trying to do everything making you belive, that you get the game for free- and they also changed some information in Q+A- just to fit the new concept- but before that, it was clearly stated that the addon is a standalone- thats why they lowered the price- just to milk all they can. Its called false advertizement.

     

    I myself bought 4 copys- i dont regret it because i sold them for the double price :)

     

    *Edit also by adding the main game- it does look like your getting more- its fuking shady and dishonest to their loyal customer base.

     

    No, you're definitely full of it. They're not trying to make me believe I'm getting the game for free at all. I already have it. As a result, instead of getting a bundle with the core added as incentive I'm getting an extra character slot as incentive. I know full well that I'm paying $50 for the expansion alone, no core thrown in. (Actually bought the ultimate upgrade, twice, as a tip of the hat for the work they've done so far.) 

    The expansion has never been a standalone item. You've always needed the core to play. Unless you're wording things wrong, which is possible, you're a liar. 

    Also your statement that the expansion doesn't give the same amount of content is irrelevant. Practically no expansion does. This is basal knowledge and accepted across the gaming communities. 

    To clarify your edit... You do not get the main game added in if you're an existing player. You only get that if you're a new player as added incentive and to reduce the cost impact to a new player wishing to join the game. My expansion, to my existing account, will not include the core game again. 

    This is incorrect as their previous FAQ suggested that one would need to purchase the full game to play the expansion.

    You have evidence of this assertion?

    Here you go:  http://imgur.com/SAsawP8

    This is a snapshot taken by a user to show the FAQ before and after.

    The expansion has never been a standalone item. That FAQ verifies it, it doesn't refute it. 

    Before: Guild Wars 2: Heart of Thorns is an expansion to Guild Wars 2 and not a stand alone campaign...

    After: Yes, but GW2 HoT includes the core game

     

    I said it was never a standalone, you said I was wrong... then posted a link showinng that it never was a standalone. I have no idea where you're going with this.

    The only difference is that they added the core for free when you buy the expansion now. Either way, it's still not a standalone, you need the core to play.

     

    This point is moot to the topic at hand and is semantics. In the end 50 bucks gives new players the core game and the expansion. Current customers get less as they already bought the core game. This is common in MMO industry as games get more and more expansions the entry cost for new players goes up and up unless they get the old content for free. ANet need to make money so returning customers have 2 options. Pay full price to be the first to play it or wait for a sale and not be first in line. 

  • maskedweaselmaskedweasel Member EpicPosts: 11,022
    Originally posted by Nanfoodle
    Originally posted by Volkon
    Originally posted by grimal
    Originally posted by Volkon
    Originally posted by grimal
    Originally posted by Volkon
    Originally posted by exile01

     

    No you are looking it wrong. You are the one whos beeing fooled by their marketing department. Open your eyes a bit.

    The price does not equal the full vanilla game. It does not provide the equal amount of content to be 50 Dollar/Euro.

    They are making you belive, GW2 Vanilla is for free, but for f**** sake, dont you see your beeing manipulated into believing that? Nothing is free and your paying the price for GW2 vanilla and those extra cost for the new f2p update, aka HoT.

    They are trying to do everything making you belive, that you get the game for free- and they also changed some information in Q+A- just to fit the new concept- but before that, it was clearly stated that the addon is a standalone- thats why they lowered the price- just to milk all they can. Its called false advertizement.

     

    I myself bought 4 copys- i dont regret it because i sold them for the double price :)

     

    *Edit also by adding the main game- it does look like your getting more- its fuking shady and dishonest to their loyal customer base.

     

    No, you're definitely full of it. They're not trying to make me believe I'm getting the game for free at all. I already have it. As a result, instead of getting a bundle with the core added as incentive I'm getting an extra character slot as incentive. I know full well that I'm paying $50 for the expansion alone, no core thrown in. (Actually bought the ultimate upgrade, twice, as a tip of the hat for the work they've done so far.) 

    The expansion has never been a standalone item. You've always needed the core to play. Unless you're wording things wrong, which is possible, you're a liar. 

    Also your statement that the expansion doesn't give the same amount of content is irrelevant. Practically no expansion does. This is basal knowledge and accepted across the gaming communities. 

    To clarify your edit... You do not get the main game added in if you're an existing player. You only get that if you're a new player as added incentive and to reduce the cost impact to a new player wishing to join the game. My expansion, to my existing account, will not include the core game again. 

    This is incorrect as their previous FAQ suggested that one would need to purchase the full game to play the expansion.

    You have evidence of this assertion?

    Here you go:  http://imgur.com/SAsawP8

    This is a snapshot taken by a user to show the FAQ before and after.

    The expansion has never been a standalone item. That FAQ verifies it, it doesn't refute it. 

    Before: Guild Wars 2: Heart of Thorns is an expansion to Guild Wars 2 and not a stand alone campaign...

    After: Yes, but GW2 HoT includes the core game

     

    I said it was never a standalone, you said I was wrong... then posted a link showinng that it never was a standalone. I have no idea where you're going with this.

    The only difference is that they added the core for free when you buy the expansion now. Either way, it's still not a standalone, you need the core to play.

     

    This point is moot to the topic at hand and is semantics. In the end 50 bucks gives new players the core game and the expansion. Current customers get less as they already bought the core game. This is common in MMO industry as games get more and more expansions the entry cost for new players goes up and up unless they get the old content for free. ANet need to make money so returning customers have 2 options. Pay full price to be the first to play it or wait for a sale and not be first in line. 

    People who play the game and want to play the new content will buy it regardless.. thats why it works this way.  New players get the new expansion and the old game because you can't play one without the other.  Complaining about that is stupid.. as if you want to get the next expansion and the previous one for free... just don't buy this expansion and wait for the next.

     

    I mean you're making the right points... price will be dictated by time.. it has nothing to do with having "less"  A new player getting the game after 3 years is not equal to a veteran player that has played for 3 years.  I mean for example my new character is already level 80 and I haven't even created him yet.  Theres no possible way a new player can start the game and be able to fully level, equip and play every bit of the game out of the box.    People are so quick to forget the 3 years they've played the game.

     

    As for what content is upcoming...  doesn't mean a thing. I've bought full retail games that didn't last a month.  You could make much worse gaming purchases in your life than this expansion if you've played GW2 more than 4 or 5 months in the past 3 years.



  • grimalgrimal Member UncommonPosts: 2,920
    Originally posted by Volkon

    I said it was never a standalone, you said I was wrong... then posted a link showinng that it never was a standalone. I have no idea where you're going with this.

    The only difference is that they added the core for free when you buy the expansion now. Either way, it's still not a standalone, you need the core to play.

     

    In their original FAQ, there is an implication that one would need to buy the core game in order to play the expansion.  I inferred this as did many many others.  In fact, ANET actually reimbursed people that bought the core game recently just for the expansion to correct this mistake on their part. 

    This implication further suggests that the core game is independent of the expansion.  Otherwise, why would it be worded as such originally: "therefore it requires the base game to play."  If this was always intended to be bundled together, why the sudden change in the FAQ and the outrage of many users due to it?

     

  • grimalgrimal Member UncommonPosts: 2,920
    Originally posted by maskedweasel

    People who play the game and want to play the new content will buy it regardless.. thats why it works this way.  New players get the new expansion and the old game because you can't play one without the other.  Complaining about that is stupid.. as if you want to get the next expansion and the previous one for free... just don't buy this expansion and wait for the next.

     

    I mean you're making the right points... price will be dictated by time.. it has nothing to do with having "less"  A new player getting the game not after 3 years is not equal to a veteran player that has played for 3 years.  I mean for example my new character is already level 80 and I haven't even created him yet.  Theres no possible way a new player can start the game and be able to fully level, equip and play every bit of the game out of the box.    People are so quick to forget the 3 years they've played the game.

     

    As for what content is upcoming...  doesn't mean a thing. I've bought full retail games that didn't last a month.  You could make much worse gaming purchases in your life than this expansion if you've played GW2 more than 4 or 5 months in the past 3 years.

    Ad hominem.

  • NanfoodleNanfoodle Member LegendaryPosts: 9,446
    Originally posted by grimal
    Originally posted by Volkon

    I said it was never a standalone, you said I was wrong... then posted a link showinng that it never was a standalone. I have no idea where you're going with this.

    The only difference is that they added the core for free when you buy the expansion now. Either way, it's still not a standalone, you need the core to play.

     

    In their original FAQ, there is an implication that one would need to buy the core game in order to play the expansion.  I inferred this as did many many others.  In fact, ANET actually reimbursed people that bought the core game recently just for the expansion to correct this mistake on their part. 

    This implication further suggests that the core game is independent of the expansion.  Otherwise, why would it be worded as such originally: "therefore it requires the base game to play."  If this was always intended to be bundled together, why the sudden change in the FAQ and the outrage of many users due to it?

     

    What does that change? You wana play HoT you need to pay for it. ANet made it and they get to stick any bloody price tag they want on it. Myself, I dont think its worth 50 bucks. I will wait and pay much less in 3-6 months. 

  • maskedweaselmaskedweasel Member EpicPosts: 11,022
    Originally posted by grimal
    Originally posted by maskedweasel

    People who play the game and want to play the new content will buy it regardless.. thats why it works this way.  New players get the new expansion and the old game because you can't play one without the other.  Complaining about that is stupid.. as if you want to get the next expansion and the previous one for free... just don't buy this expansion and wait for the next.

     

    I mean you're making the right points... price will be dictated by time.. it has nothing to do with having "less"  A new player getting the game not after 3 years is not equal to a veteran player that has played for 3 years.  I mean for example my new character is already level 80 and I haven't even created him yet.  Theres no possible way a new player can start the game and be able to fully level, equip and play every bit of the game out of the box.    People are so quick to forget the 3 years they've played the game.

     

    As for what content is upcoming...  doesn't mean a thing. I've bought full retail games that didn't last a month.  You could make much worse gaming purchases in your life than this expansion if you've played GW2 more than 4 or 5 months in the past 3 years.

    Ad hominem.

    And yet still relevant. fancy that.



  • TorvalTorval Member LegendaryPosts: 21,404
    Originally posted by grimal
    Originally posted by Volkon

    I said it was never a standalone, you said I was wrong... then posted a link showinng that it never was a standalone. I have no idea where you're going with this.

    The only difference is that they added the core for free when you buy the expansion now. Either way, it's still not a standalone, you need the core to play.

     

    In their original FAQ, there is an implication that one would need to buy the core game in order to play the expansion.  I inferred this as did many many others.  In fact, ANET actually reimbursed people that bought the core game recently just for the expansion to correct this mistake on their part. 

    This implication further suggests that the core game is independent of the expansion.  Otherwise, why would it be worded as such originally: "therefore it requires the base game to play."  If this was always intended to be bundled together, why the sudden change in the FAQ and the outrage of many users due to it?

    Yes, early on it seems they were going to sell the base game and the xpac separately. They either changed their position on this or they clarified a poorly worded position. It doesn't matter though because they did clarify it. The game isn't compartmentalized it is sold as a single unit. You can upgrade your account or buy a new account that includes all the previous content for that price.

    Who cares why and what the motives for the change are unless you're just trying to pick apart everything to find fault. They made the change to try and please more customers and make more money. Conjecturing on the past motives of what might have been is just forum fapping.

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