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  • SiugSiug Member UncommonPosts: 1,257
    Originally posted by Dakeru

     

     

    If a new player pays 50$ and gets GW2 and HoT as bundle then I want the same. Same price - same product.

    It's as easy as that.

    Maybe you can sell your account then and buy a new one to get this awesome deal?

  • reeereeereeereee Member UncommonPosts: 1,636
    Originally posted by FomaldehydeJim

    This really is the age of entitlement. People are too accustomed to a few whales paying for their "free" games or the rampant theft of copyrighted material on the internet. When they are told they have to pay for a product they whine and stamp their feet.  

    Not really, I see almost no one complaining about the price of the FFXIV expansion. 

     

    Now whether this is due to the FFXIV expansion being $10 less, offering far more content, or just that gw2 has accumulated a bunch of players who want everything for free is an open question.

  • MagnetiaMagnetia Member UncommonPosts: 1,012

    Many of you are misunderstanding the situation. 

    You can no longer buy vanilla GW2 on their website. The only package that exists is $50 for HoT + core as a 'gift' to new players. You can't buy GW2 then later on buy HoT which is what many were lead to believe prior to pre-purchase.

    So in reality we aren't paying for an expansion anymore. We are rebuying the full game at the same price as a new player (price is not an issue - its value) and while new players get a 'gift' of 5 char slots existing players do not have a cheaper 'upgrade' option.

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  • Panther2103Panther2103 Member EpicPosts: 5,659
    I don't understand these arguments. So you are complaining because the game cost 50 dollars on launch. Now the expansion comes with that, and costs 50 dollars so you are mad? But the people who didn't own the base game back in the day didn't play for this 3 year period, so you lost out because you have been enjoying it? This makes no sense. That's like complaining that a GOTY edition comes out for a game, when you already owned the base game. Sure people now are paying 50 dollars to get into the game, but that doesn't mean that they are getting more content than you are, you already owned the game. So they just are experiencing the same thing you have been for the last 3 years, but they waited until now to even try it. You get new zones to play in, so what's the big issue? 
  • DakeruDakeru Member EpicPosts: 3,797

    Go to the Gw2 homepage and click the link to buy Gw2 - it will forward you to HoT instead.

    Why should I differ if they list it as the same item?

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  • BeansnBreadBeansnBread Member EpicPosts: 7,254
    Originally posted by Dakeru

    Go to the Gw2 homepage and click the link to buy Gw2 - it will forward you to HoT instead.

    Why should I differ if they list it as the same item?

    You should not buy it if you think it's not worth it.

  • MrSnufflesMrSnuffles Member UncommonPosts: 1,117

    Heart of Robbery? Sounds about right.

    $50 for an expansion is a lot. How FFXIV get's away with $40 on top of the monthly is a mystery to me too given the game is a boring lobby token grinder.

    Well, not buying either, too many good game to play right now and more coming soon.

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  • FangrimFangrim Member UncommonPosts: 616

    Its the same as any other MMORPG,take WoW or EQ2. When for example these games released their 5th expansion 'new' players could get the lot the same price as people from launch got it but new get everything.

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  • KenaoshiKenaoshi Member UncommonPosts: 1,022

    Link to these responses pls?

    Also, i am on the side "See are all HoT features before buying " side but record of Anet listen to feedback is... really bad. Aka CDIs.

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  • DakeruDakeru Member EpicPosts: 3,797
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  • n3v3rriv3rn3v3rriv3r Member UncommonPosts: 496

    if only people value more their money and eat less cr%p from developers. We would have better quality products, less dlcs and more content in games as they are.

    You dont get it do you? You get less for the same money. Should I make it a picture or it is simple math enough:

    new players: original game + expansion = 50

    old players: expansion = 50

    What is so hard to understand?

     

  • Gaia_HunterGaia_Hunter Member UncommonPosts: 3,065

    It is nice when companies reward loyal customers.

    That is rarely the case and that is why I keep jumping between service providers like insurance, electricity, internet, etc, taking advantage of the offers to lure new clients.

    In this case though, it is not like there is an alternative to GW2.

    So I've pre-ordered the expansion anyway. Even at the £80 for the Ultimate, I'm certain it will be a good value for me. And you get the gems and the extra stuff straight away.

    For new players it is even more enticing.

    If you buy a WoW account today you get all the WoW up to MoP. Previously you had to buy each expansion.

     

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  • Gaia_HunterGaia_Hunter Member UncommonPosts: 3,065
    Originally posted by n3v3rriv3r

    if only people value more their money and eat less cr%p from developers. We would have better quality products, less dlcs and more content in games as they are.

    You dont get it do you? You get less for the same money. Should I make it a picture or it is simple math enough:

    new players: original game + expansion = 50

    old players: expansion = 50

    What is so hard to understand?

     

    It is easy then.

    Old players should abandon their old account, that already paid for itself and get a brand new account with the original game + expansion for $50.

    There same value.

    Why do old players insist in upgrading their old account instead of getting more value?

     

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  • AmjocoAmjoco Member UncommonPosts: 4,858
    Originally posted by n3v3rriv3r

    if only people value more their money and eat less cr%p from developers. We would have better quality products, less dlcs and more content in games as they are.

    You dont get it do you? You get less for the same money. Should I make it a picture or it is simple math enough:

    new players: original game + expansion = 50

    old players: expansion = 50

    What is so hard to understand?

     

    Who cares what new players get or don't get.

    Purchase WoD and all expansions are free up to MoP...no one gave a crap about that, but for some reason GW2 is an issue. If I had purchased WoW back in 2004 and hadn't touched it until the WoD expansion came out, the entire lot of expansions are given for free.

    Lets say you had to purchase all of WoWs expansions as they were released for only $39.99, that is roughly $199.95. Why is everyone so worried about $49.99? They feel slighted because someone got a better deal? That is a terrible way to go through life imho. 

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  • n3v3rriv3rn3v3rriv3r Member UncommonPosts: 496
    Originally posted by Gaia_Hunter
    Originally posted by n3v3rriv3r

    if only people value more their money and eat less cr%p from developers. We would have better quality products, less dlcs and more content in games as they are.

    You dont get it do you? You get less for the same money. Should I make it a picture or it is simple math enough:

    new players: original game + expansion = 50

    old players: expansion = 50

    What is so hard to understand?

     

    It is easy then.

    Old players should abandon their old account, that already paid for itself and get a brand new account with the original game + expansion for $50.

    There same value.

    umm yes people that dont value their own time and thats another problem. time=money Tell me then ... did old players  really put the same amount of money into this game?

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  • ThaneThane Member EpicPosts: 3,523
    Originally posted by Thane

    solution:

     (step one)

    sell your account to a friend (or ebay). give him (or ebay) your max lvl chars and items you won for yourselves during the last 3 years.

     (step two)

    buy the expension from the money you got from your friend (or ebay) and get the base game for free.

     

    i already posted this in the original thread, but since you insisted on starting a new one, here, just for you i copy it again.

     

     

    if you don't like your old acc that is what you do, if you like your old acc, you should stop bitching about that now. thank you.

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  • DistopiaDistopia Member EpicPosts: 21,183
    Originally posted by Amjoco
    Originally posted by n3v3rriv3r

    if only people value more their money and eat less cr%p from developers. We would have better quality products, less dlcs and more content in games as they are.

    You dont get it do you? You get less for the same money. Should I make it a picture or it is simple math enough:

    new players: original game + expansion = 50

    old players: expansion = 50

    What is so hard to understand?

     

    Who cares what new players get or don't get.

    Purchase WoD and all expansions are free up to MoP...no one gave a crap about that, but for some reason GW2 is an issue. If I had purchased WoW back in 2004 and hadn't touched it until the WoD expansion came out, the entire lot of expansions are given for free.

    Lets say you had to purchase all of WoWs expansions as they were released for only $39.99, that is roughly $199.95. Why is everyone so worried about $49.99? They feel slighted because someone got a better deal? That is a terrible way to go through life imho. 

     It's the price of a new game, will it offer enough content to justify that price? If yes there is no issue, if no, well there you have it.

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  • n3v3rriv3rn3v3rriv3r Member UncommonPosts: 496
    Originally posted by Thane
    Originally posted by Thane

    solution:

     (step one)

    sell your account to a friend (or ebay). give him (or ebay) your max lvl chars and items you won for yourselves during the last 3 years.

     (step two)

    buy the expension from the money you got from your friend (or ebay) and get the base game for free.

     

    i already posted this in the original thread, but since you insisted on starting a new one, here, just for you i copy it again.

     

     

    if you don't like your old acc that is what you do, if you like your old acc, you should stop bitching about that now. thank you.

    tbh I dont see anything original here and I dont get it why you posted it again.

    so basically you are saying because you dont care about your time and money nobody should?

    well, if you dont like people bitching about this deal stop bitching about people bitching

  • Gaia_HunterGaia_Hunter Member UncommonPosts: 3,065
    Originally posted by n3v3rriv3r
    Originally posted by Gaia_Hunter
    Originally posted by n3v3rriv3r

    if only people value more their money and eat less cr%p from developers. We would have better quality products, less dlcs and more content in games as they are.

    You dont get it do you? You get less for the same money. Should I make it a picture or it is simple math enough:

    new players: original game + expansion = 50

    old players: expansion = 50

    What is so hard to understand?

     

    It is easy then.

    Old players should abandon their old account, that already paid for itself and get a brand new account with the original game + expansion for $50.

    There same value.

    umm yes people that dont value their own time and thats another problem. time=money Tell me then ... did old players  really put the same amount of money into this game?

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    It is a leisure activity. Time spent having fun is not an investment.

    The investment is paying $50 to access new content.

    The old content is available free of no additional charge.

    Complaining that the price for the expansion is steep is fair, although not a view that will gather much support in a website full of people that defend proper MMORPGs should have box price + monthly sub.

    Bitching that someone else is getting a base game for free when you have had 3 years of fun (thousands of hours of entertainment) is silly.

    It is like complaining a movie you paid to see in the cinema 3 years ago is now available on free TV.

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  • AmjocoAmjoco Member UncommonPosts: 4,858
    Originally posted by Distopia
    Originally posted by Amjoco
    Originally posted by n3v3rriv3r

    if only people value more their money and eat less cr%p from developers. We would have better quality products, less dlcs and more content in games as they are.

    You dont get it do you? You get less for the same money. Should I make it a picture or it is simple math enough:

    new players: original game + expansion = 50

    old players: expansion = 50

    What is so hard to understand?

     

    Who cares what new players get or don't get.

    Purchase WoD and all expansions are free up to MoP...no one gave a crap about that, but for some reason GW2 is an issue. If I had purchased WoW back in 2004 and hadn't touched it until the WoD expansion came out, the entire lot of expansions are given for free.

    Lets say you had to purchase all of WoWs expansions as they were released for only $39.99, that is roughly $199.95. Why is everyone so worried about $49.99? They feel slighted because someone got a better deal? That is a terrible way to go through life imho. 

     It's the price of a new game, will it offer enough content to justify that price? If yes there is no issue, if no, well there you have it.

    The highlighted sentence isn't the issue here, it's the bickering about being slighted when it happens all the time, not just in gaming, but in life. I go to the grocery store and buy a block of Sargento cheese and the next day it goes on sale. Now everyone that got the cheese the next day got a better deal than me! How about this, I bought Tera for $59.99 on release and then it went f2p, now everyone is playing it for free. Why don't I feel cheated? Because this is how life is. /shrug

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  • n3v3rriv3rn3v3rriv3r Member UncommonPosts: 496
    Originally posted by Gaia_Hunter
    Originally posted by n3v3rriv3r
    Originally posted by Gaia_Hunter
    Originally posted by n3v3rriv3r

    if only people value more their money and eat less cr%p from developers. We would have better quality products, less dlcs and more content in games as they are.

    You dont get it do you? You get less for the same money. Should I make it a picture or it is simple math enough:

    new players: original game + expansion = 50

    old players: expansion = 50

    What is so hard to understand?

     

    It is easy then.

    Old players should abandon their old account, that already paid for itself and get a brand new account with the original game + expansion for $50.

    There same value.

    umm yes people that dont value their own time and thats another problem. time=money Tell me then ... did old players  really put the same amount of money into this game?

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    It is a leisure activity. Time spent having fun is not an investment.

    what is this a philosophical lecture? nothing is free and there are also rewards for peoples time spent in game

    yes some players must buy ingame items that others get for free for just playing a game for a certain time.

    you are bending over backward only to justify something that is plain and simple: old players get less for the same value

  • DakeruDakeru Member EpicPosts: 3,797
    Originally posted by Amjoco

    Who cares what new players get or don't get.

    Purchase WoD and all expansions are free up to MoP...no one gave a crap about that, but for some reason GW2 is an issue. If I had purchased WoW back in 2004 and hadn't touched it until the WoD expansion came out, the entire lot of expansions are given for free.

    Lets say you had to purchase all of WoWs expansions as they were released for only $39.99, that is roughly $199.95. Why is everyone so worried about $49.99? They feel slighted because someone got a better deal? That is a terrible way to go through life imho. 

    I've seen that argument a few times on the official forum and each time someone would answer that this simply isn't true.

     

    Anyone who possessed the game got a free upgrade with all expansions excluding WoD.

    Therefore they were rewarding their active player base.

     

    Buying WoD had nothing to do with this.

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  • ESSKAESSKA Member UncommonPosts: 107
    Originally posted by Dakeru
    Originally posted by Amjoco

    Who cares what new players get or don't get.

    Purchase WoD and all expansions are free up to MoP...no one gave a crap about that, but for some reason GW2 is an issue. If I had purchased WoW back in 2004 and hadn't touched it until the WoD expansion came out, the entire lot of expansions are given for free.

    Lets say you had to purchase all of WoWs expansions as they were released for only $39.99, that is roughly $199.95. Why is everyone so worried about $49.99? They feel slighted because someone got a better deal? That is a terrible way to go through life imho. 

    I've seen that argument a few times on the official forum and each time someone would answer that this simply isn't true.

     

    Anyone who possessed the game got a free upgrade with all expansions excluding WoD.

    Therefore they were rewarding their active player base.

     

    Buying WoD had nothing to do with this.

    The people who already bought Cata and M.O.P didn't make a shit storm over it when it became a part of the base game though. I don't recall players blowing up the forums for blizzard trying to make the game more accessible to new players.

     

    We got a lot of stuff in the 3 years of playing this game man. And experienced things new players will never be able to experience. And none of it cost  us any money at all after paying 49.99 to 99.99. The entitled label being put on you by others in this thread is correct. You got three years of solid game play.  WoD cost me 50 and i did not complain about blizzard giving away Cata or MOP for free after i bought both. 

  • AmjocoAmjoco Member UncommonPosts: 4,858
    Originally posted by Dakeru
    Originally posted by Amjoco

    Who cares what new players get or don't get.

    Purchase WoD and all expansions are free up to MoP...no one gave a crap about that, but for some reason GW2 is an issue. If I had purchased WoW back in 2004 and hadn't touched it until the WoD expansion came out, the entire lot of expansions are given for free.

    Lets say you had to purchase all of WoWs expansions as they were released for only $39.99, that is roughly $199.95. Why is everyone so worried about $49.99? They feel slighted because someone got a better deal? That is a terrible way to go through life imho. 

    I've seen that argument a few times on the official forum and each time someone would answer that this simply isn't true.

     

    Anyone who possessed the game got a free upgrade with all expansions excluding WoD.

    Therefore they were rewarding their active player base.

     

    Buying WoD had nothing to do with this.

    Very weak argument and they are just twisting matters.

    So, if this was the third, forth, or fifth GW2 expansion this would be an acceptable deal? In WoW you had to at least have had purchased the Base and then WoD, you can't just purchase the expansion, so what kind of reward is that to the player base?

    Blizzard did the same thing just making it easier for new players, but even it still requires the basic purchase of WoW plus the expansion cost. 

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  • DakeruDakeru Member EpicPosts: 3,797
    Originally posted by Amjoco
    Originally posted by Dakeru
    Originally posted by Amjoco

    Who cares what new players get or don't get.

    Purchase WoD and all expansions are free up to MoP...no one gave a crap about that, but for some reason GW2 is an issue. If I had purchased WoW back in 2004 and hadn't touched it until the WoD expansion came out, the entire lot of expansions are given for free.

    Lets say you had to purchase all of WoWs expansions as they were released for only $39.99, that is roughly $199.95. Why is everyone so worried about $49.99? They feel slighted because someone got a better deal? That is a terrible way to go through life imho. 

    I've seen that argument a few times on the official forum and each time someone would answer that this simply isn't true.

     

    Anyone who possessed the game got a free upgrade with all expansions excluding WoD.

    Therefore they were rewarding their active player base.

     

    Buying WoD had nothing to do with this.

    Very weak argument and they are just twisting matters.

    So, if this was the third, forth, or fifth GW2 expansion this would be an acceptable deal? In WoW you had to at least have had purchased the Base and then WoD, you can't just purchase the expansion, so what kind of reward is that to the player base?

    Blizzard did the same thing just making it easier for new players, but even it still requires the basic purchase of WoW plus the expansion cost. 

    Wait what?

    You posted something where you are wrong and described things the opposite way of how they happened.

    And now you say I have a weak argument?

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