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Expansion: HoT overpriced for what you get?

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  • DistopiaDistopia Member EpicPosts: 21,183
    Originally posted by Gaia_Hunter
    Originally posted by Distopia
    Originally posted by Gaia_Hunter
    Originally posted by mayito7777
    And easier solution could have been to offer the expansion to those who own the game for $19.99 and still keep the package of $50.00 for those new players buying the game for first time, who would get the game and the expansion for $50.

    Why $19.99?

    The minimum a triple A game expansion is going to ask is $35.

    Clearly Anet believes it can sell GW2:HoT for $50.

    That's not exactly true, as an example all of SWG's expansions were around 29.99. That was pretty common if memory serves, it's only recently that MMORPG studios started charging full game prices for expansions.Compared to expansions today IMO you got a lot more back then at a lower price.

    And in 2004 a AAA game was $40, not $60.

    It is not only MMORPGs studios but all studios.

    First you have inflation.

    That $30 in 2004 is today $37.

    Second the cost of developing a game has increased.

     

    Most games were actually $50 back then. Which they've always been, until really recently 60 was strictly 360 or Ps3 games, under the excuse it cost that extra bit to publish to said console. As I remember SWG's retail was 49.95 in 2003.

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  • Loke666Loke666 Member EpicPosts: 21,441
    Originally posted by Distopia
    Originally posted by Gaia_Hunter

    Why $19.99?

    The minimum a triple A game expansion is going to ask is $35.

    Clearly Anet believes it can sell GW2:HoT for $50.

    That's not exactly true, as an example all of SWG's expansions were around 29.99. That was pretty common if memory serves, it's only recently that MMORPG studios started charging full game prices for expansions.Compared to expansions today IMO you got a lot more back then at a lower price.

    You mean long ago for a P2P game?

    Listen, the main income for B2P games are box sales. Some people do buy gems for cosmetic stuff and character slots but that is a secondary income. Yeah, I rather have seen a $35 price tag as well for people owning the game, or at least a bonus character slot instead but I surely can understand why ANET need to keep the price tag up.

    SWGs team were never even close in size to GW2s and the expansion will need to pay for those devs until the next expansion comes out. 

    Besides, at least they wont NGE the game 9 days after the expansion comes out making your $30 totally useless. 

  • Gaia_HunterGaia_Hunter Member UncommonPosts: 3,065
    Originally posted by Distopia
    Originally posted by Gaia_Hunter
    Originally posted by Distopia
    Originally posted by Gaia_Hunter
    Originally posted by mayito7777
    And easier solution could have been to offer the expansion to those who own the game for $19.99 and still keep the package of $50.00 for those new players buying the game for first time, who would get the game and the expansion for $50.

    Why $19.99?

    The minimum a triple A game expansion is going to ask is $35.

    Clearly Anet believes it can sell GW2:HoT for $50.

    That's not exactly true, as an example all of SWG's expansions were around 29.99. That was pretty common if memory serves, it's only recently that MMORPG studios started charging full game prices for expansions.Compared to expansions today IMO you got a lot more back then at a lower price.

    And in 2004 a AAA game was $40, not $60.

    It is not only MMORPGs studios but all studios.

    First you have inflation.

    That $30 in 2004 is today $37.

    Second the cost of developing a game has increased.

     

    Most games were actually $50 back then. Which they've always been, until really recently 60 was strictly 360 or Ps3 games, under the excuse it cost that extra bit to publish to said console.

    A $50 price tag in 2005 is $60 today.

    The consoles extra price has always been the what is charged by Microsot, Sony and Nintendo to the developers to release games in their platform (the hardware is generally sold at a loss). Like supermarkets charge product manufacturers for shelf display.

     

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  • DistopiaDistopia Member EpicPosts: 21,183
    Originally posted by Gaia_Hunter

    A $50 price tag in 2005 is $60 today.

    The consoles extra price has always been the what is charged by Microsot, Sony and Nintendo to the developers to release games in their platform (the hardware is generally sold at a loss). Like supermarkets charge product manufacturers for shelf display.

     

    Game prices haven't really gone up all that much in years, there have been countless articles on this subject. I get your point so don't read me wrong, but inflation is something devs/studio reps have written a lot about.

     

    For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson


  • VesaviusVesavius Member RarePosts: 7,908

    It seems like a fair price to me. The OP will pay it after making a little noise.

     

    As for the perks for newbie... well, the OP should be glad that they are working to bring new blood into the game tbh.

     

     

  • ThupliThupli Member RarePosts: 1,318

    For me, I'm not complaining about the price, I'm complaining about what you get for the price.

     

    1. Anets model of b2p precludes the argument of "but you got three free years of play".  That is there model and I certainly paid money during that time to keep it going.

     

    2. For "years of development" and "being silent for so long" according to mike obrien, it is really embarrassing what they are releasing.  One large zone with three biomes, one class, guild halls, and one new weapon per class, and mysteries, ie grind bars.

     

    Don't make me hold my breath for "more".  They have officially released info on what this xpac is all about, don't expect more.

    No new dungeons, no rework to encourage build diversity, no harder pve encounters to require coordination.

     

    No, it's quite clear that five months ago Anet was getting pressure to change their LS model, and they made the decision to package the LS with a feature pack update and sell it as an expac.  Which I would be fine with if they had priced it as such.

     

    Simply put this is not WoD, a rift expac, ff14, or any xpac from a triple A mmo, so I won't support it.  Just my evaluation.  Anet way behind the ball.

  • mayito7777mayito7777 Member UncommonPosts: 768
    I said $19.99 because so far what I have read about HoT does not say a lot, if they would release more information about what HoT is all about then I could say 39.99 or 29.99 but so far what they have mentioned is not even worth 19.99

    want 7 free days of playing? Try this

    http://www.swtor.com/r/ZptVnY

  • RockardRockard Member UncommonPosts: 206

    Truth be told,and from what I've seen here,on Reddit,and the GW2 forums,

    Anet is being nice,since there are people who would pay them 100$ for an

    empty box and an open can of soda as bonus.

    Gimmeee ma game...I wanna play  Guild Halls...how much??Doesn't matter.

    Here,take my liver and a kidney.Are we good now?

    All else are ENTITLED(Critical Hit) to their vital organs.

     

  • observerobserver Member RarePosts: 3,685
    Originally posted by eyelolled
    Originally posted by observer
     

    So now you're the judge of determining who is qualified to make an opinion?  Do you know how ridiculous that sounds?  Who are you to determine if someone is actively playing or not?  There isn't a conspiracy of players in this thread making up lies, because they are out to hurt your precious game.

    My knowledge isn't sufficient at all.  All the features have already been announced.  I've played the beta when it was available, after getting two beta portals.  Any veteran who has played MMOs for over 10 years has sufficient knowledge of what to expect, without needing to know the intricate details such as story plots, or number crunching.  There is no miracle patch, nor is there a miracle update, or an expected miracle revelation.  All the major features have been revealed, and what you've seen is what you will get.

    The irony though, is that you have already decided that this expansion is worth the price, while also claiming that everything hasn't been revealed.

     I agree with the point in red

    If you know so much from your years of mmo experience, did you know about Southsun Cove at release of GW2? Did you know about Dry Top, and Silverwaste? No. You fucking did not.  You talk like you know shit, but the only thing you know is what they told you. 

    If everything has been announced, then what is the specialization for the elementalist?  You said you've got it all down, so "put up or shut up" so to speak.

     

    The true irony though, is that you chose the name observer, yet you continue to be completely oblivious to the actual point I was making.  THAT is ironic.

    I guess you missed this part:  "without needing to know the intricate details such as story plots, or number crunching."

    I wasn't oblivious at all.  Your points are flawed, so i pointed them out.  If you don't like that, then direct your anger towards yourself.

    As i said before, "The irony though, is that you have already decided that this expansion is worth the price, while also claiming that everything hasn't been revealed.".

    The funny thing is, you put a value on a product blindly, while others are reserving judgement, or have decided that the product isn't worth the asking price.  The latter have determined that the major features that have been shown, is a good enough assessment, yet you would have them buy the expansion to experience the details first, otherwise, according to you, their judgement isn't a fair assessment.

    Do you know how ridiculous that sounds?  Do you go on Amazon and buy the product first, or do you read the features/details/reviews?  According to your logic,  there's no reason to compare/contrast items, because all the products on Amazon are worth their asking price.

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