Silly argument. You can't prove or disprove there is a working version of EQN, and no, a beta version of a different game does not constitute an alpha of an MMORPG. They are totally different games. The lack of evidence inclines me to believe the game is not even a working alpha, or they could at least extract a little polished gameplay demo. Either way, you can't say for certain.
There is NOT a working EQN server at Daybreak.
Therefore, what you see in Landmark is the culmination of efforts of SOE/Daybreak. John is trying to define and compartmentalize each system and hurriedly trying to get them to work together and get the code all on a server just to shut his critics up.
But that may take another 4 ~ 10 months before EQN could even exists. That is, if Smedley is given the green light. And, if given, then pre-alpha would start. We are no where near that state of development from Daybreak at this time.
Landmark has a good chance of growing into Landmark Universe. Forget about dragons from Daybreak.
See how it is nearly 100% based on emotion, and not on logic or tangible evidence, etc? Just a mish-mash of hopes based on wants.
Lets face it, you blindly believe John Smedley. And the rest of the community faults you for that. What makes you so stand-out is how blindfully and faithfully you follow & support him. So at odds with reality, that it borders on fanaticism, or suspicion.
EverQuest Next is going to have to fight to become one of the Baby Bells. And as of right now, it is not doing to well given Daybreak's 2-pseudo projects with a total of 50 fanatical fans.
Ask John Smedley outright the condition, or state of EverQuest Next. It is in deed Vaporware. Matter of fact, the day it is not, is when Smedley will fill the airwaves lauding it over me. As I am sure he reads these posts.
Coincidentally, why are you going on & on & on about Brad? Why do you bring him up in every post?
edit: btw, that is the definition of vaporware. The term has been around for at least 30 years.
Really don't know if you are for real or trolling me at this point. Some how you use your opinion as fact which it to lacks tangible evidence.
I take 99.99% of what Smed says with a huge bucket of salt. But he knows more than you or I when it comes to the project (not that it is HIS project). If he says it is still in the works and there are weekly updates discussing aspects of it (boring as they are), that is good enough for me to believe the game is still in development.
What EQN actually ends up being is a completely different story and I don't have a huge amount of blind faith in that area. If Landmark is anything of what EQN might be from the mechanics and what not, I most likely won't play EQN.
No clue where you are getting this fanaticism as I've said nothing that shows die hard belief without any proof. Why I bring of Brad is you say one thing yet do the opposite when it comes to something you have faith in.
Clearly you don't read what you write or are so blinded by your devotion to someone you've actually called a saviorthat you can't see it.
As for what vaporware is, there is no one definition to rule them all. It does have a general meaning which appears to deal with a long delay that results in never releasing. Not anything that hasn't released yet. That's call unreleased to me. Some projects take a long time and EQN is on that path currently, but they appear to still be actively working on it and communicating as such. Either way, I don't see the importance.
Also, your view of what a "community" is another odd duck. There is no EQN community on this site that I can see. There are a few that have issue with smed & co and never discuss the "game", a couple looking forward the the game and a bunch of random folks that pop in to say "fail" or whatever once in a while. Not exactly what I'd call a community.
This whole Baby Bell thing is rather amusing and that you believe your particular demographic is on top of the importance pile, but you keep doing what you gotta do to make yourself not be emotional involved. I'm sure all your money and age will result in the product you so desperately are in need of.
See how it is nearly 100% based on emotion, and not on logic or tangible evidence, etc? Just a mish-mash of hopes based on wants.
Lets face it, you blindly believe John Smedley. And the rest of the community faults you for that. What makes you so stand-out is how blindfully and faithfully you follow & support him. So at odds with reality, that it borders on fanaticism, or suspicion.
EverQuest Next is going to have to fight to become one of the Baby Bells. And as of right now, it is not doing to well given Daybreak's 2-pseudo projects with a total of 50 fanatical fans.
Ask John Smedley outright the condition, or state of EverQuest Next. It is in deed Vaporware. Matter of fact, the day it is not, is when Smedley will fill the airwaves lauding it over me. As I am sure he reads these posts.
Coincidentally, why are you going on & on & on about Brad? Why do you bring him up in every post?
edit: btw, that is the definition of vaporware. The term has been around for at least 30 years.
Really don't know if you are for real or trolling me at this point. Some how you use your opinion as fact which it to lacks tangible evidence.
I take 99.99% of what Smed says with a huge bucket of salt. But he knows more than you or I when it comes to the project (not that it is HIS project). If he says it is still in the works and there are weekly updates discussing aspects of it (boring as they are), that is good enough for me to believe the game is still in development.
What EQN actually ends up being is a completely different story and I don't have a huge amount of blind faith in that area. If Landmark is anything of what EQN might be from the mechanics and what not, I most likely won't play EQN.
No clue where you are getting this fanaticism as I've said nothing that shows die hard belief without any proof. Why I bring of Brad is you say one thing yet do the opposite when it comes to something you have faith in.
Clearly you don't read what you write or are so blinded by your devotion to someone you've actually called a saviorthat you can't see it.
As for what vaporware is, there is no one definition to rule them all. It does have a general meaning which appears to deal with a long delay that results in never releasing. Not anything that hasn't released yet. That's call unreleased to me. Some projects take a long time and EQN is on that path currently, but they appear to still be actively working on it and communicating as such. Either way, I don't see the importance.
Also, your view of what a "community" is another odd duck. There is no EQN community on this site that I can see. There are a few that have issue with smed & co and never discuss the "game", a couple looking forward the the game and a bunch of random folks that pop in to say "fail" or whatever once in a while. Not exactly what I'd call a community.
This whole Baby Bell thing is rather amusing and that you believe your particular demographic is on top of the importance pile, but you keep doing what you gotta do to make yourself not be emotional involved. I'm sure all your money and age will result in the product you so desperately are in need of.
There is no reason to defend yourself. You have remain stalwart and steadfast on your parading of EQN, while holding the same stance since last year. You are not critical of anything and openly dismissive of Smed mistakes. I had only asked, that you accept reality and change your opinion based on logical means, not wants or emotion.
You need to change. You yourself are stuck in a year long rut, of regurgitation. It is the only reason why I've replied. As I do not visit these forums regularly. But you do and nobody should have to listen to the drivel you have been churning out. Using the same pseudo arguments.
Time to jump those tracks and suck in fresh air. Re-evaluate the latest known info and reformulate a new opinion.
That is called "learning".
So tell us, what did you learn from the latest Dev letter?
(I heard actual proof of vaporware status from daybreak. You do not even have to believe an insider, you can simply read their own official statement, to understand the status of EQN.)
There is no reason to defend yourself. You have remain stalwart and steadfast on your parading of EQN, while holding the same stance since last year. You are not critical of anything and openly dismissive of Smed mistakes. I had only asked, that you accept reality and change your opinion based on logical means, not wants or emotion.
You need to change. You yourself are stuck in a year long rut, of regurgitation. It is the only reason why I've replied. As I do not visit these forums regularly. But you do and nobody should have to listen to the drivel you have been churning out. Using the same pseudo arguments.
Time to jump those tracks and suck in fresh air. Re-evaluate the latest known info and reformulate a new opinion.
That is called "learning".
So tell us, what did you learn from the latest Dev letter?
(I heard actual proof of vaporware status from daybreak. You do not even have to believe an insider, you can simply read their own official statement, to understand the status of EQN.)
I learned that they are saying the same exact thing they said at the end of last year, which is they are moving the team's focus from Landmark to EQN. Why this didn't happen as planned is unknown to me but I assume it has to do with the change in ownership and all that came with it and or unforeseen complications in development itself.
Beyond that, there is nothing new to "learn." Game is said to still in development regardless if we are being given deep insight to the day to day operations or not.
I don't claim to know anything beyond what is presented and while I too have the amazing ability to use logic and come to my own conclusions, opinions, views, thoughts, they are mine and mine alone and hold no real factual importance.
The view that a product is vaporware until the day it is released to the public seems a bit silly to me, but you are free to use whatever terms you choose.
I don't need to change anything. I'm perfectly fine just the way I am, if you don't agree with my views or think me to be a fool, I'll survive.
As I've said many times, EQN most likely won't be a game I enjoy or even play with what I've seen from the team so far. The original concept sounded interested for a PVE experience, but ultimately I enjoy PVP and player driven content. I'd still like to see a challenging yet accessible PVE game hit the scene that doesn't copy/paste the EQ/WoW model, but I doubt such a game will come about anytime soon.
I'm critical of their progress and what I've seen Landmark develop into, but these are just video games and I give the benefit of the doubt until something real is presented. Complaining, trash talking and being overly negative just for the sake of being such doesn't improve my life in anyway. I'm not blinded by rainbows and sunshine or believe Smed and crew are the saviors of gaming, but I don't have any need to demonize them either. Beyond some fun years with early EQ and my time with PS2, the company as a whole hasn't provided me much entertainment over the last 15 years that I need to bow down and praise them for. I'll leave such idol worship to folks like yourself and other projects.
Eqn wont be vaporware, daybreak will release it no matter what due to pressure from their parent company. With sony they pretty much had cate blanchett with the budget and deadlines, this new company is an investment firm and isnt going to let that fly. At this point my biggest fear is that it will end up another vanguard where it has a ton of potential but is a half finished game at release due to deadlines.
Originally posted by Dalanon Eqn wont be vaporware, daybreak will release it no matter what due to pressure from their parent company. With sony they pretty much had cate blanchett with the budget and deadlines, this new company is an investment firm and isnt going to let that fly. At this point my biggest fear is that it will end up another vanguard where it has a ton of potential but is a half finished game at release due to deadlines.
1. It is 'carte blanche' not 'cate blanchett' (one is an expression meaning blank cheque the other is an Australian actress)
2. Nova Columbus may well be prepared to stop the losses by cancelling EQN and focussing on other games with a faster ROI.
its not gonna happen #1 dont believe sony or smed #2 never trust sony or smed #3 smed dose not ever have cookies
sure they "MAY" come out with something but it will never be what they were talking about or close to what they were "WANTING" to work on..the close you will ever get will be Landmark you'll just have to go with that
See how it is nearly 100% based on emotion, and not on logic or tangible evidence, etc? Just a mish-mash of hopes based on wants.
Lets face it, you blindly believe John Smedley. And the rest of the community faults you for that. What makes you so stand-out is how blindfully and faithfully you follow & support him. So at odds with reality, that it borders on fanaticism, or suspicion.
EverQuest Next is going to have to fight to become one of the Baby Bells. And as of right now, it is not doing to well given Daybreak's 2-pseudo projects with a total of 50 fanatical fans.
Ask John Smedley outright the condition, or state of EverQuest Next. It is in deed Vaporware. Matter of fact, the day it is not, is when Smedley will fill the airwaves lauding it over me. As I am sure he reads these posts.
Coincidentally, why are you going on & on & on about Brad? Why do you bring him up in every post?
edit: btw, that is the definition of vaporware. The term has been around for at least 30 years.
Really don't know if you are for real or trolling me at this point. Some how you use your opinion as fact which it to lacks tangible evidence.
I take 99.99% of what Smed says with a huge bucket of salt. But he knows more than you or I when it comes to the project (not that it is HIS project). If he says it is still in the works and there are weekly updates discussing aspects of it (boring as they are), that is good enough for me to believe the game is still in development.
What EQN actually ends up being is a completely different story and I don't have a huge amount of blind faith in that area. If Landmark is anything of what EQN might be from the mechanics and what not, I most likely won't play EQN.
No clue where you are getting this fanaticism as I've said nothing that shows die hard belief without any proof. Why I bring of Brad is you say one thing yet do the opposite when it comes to something you have faith in.
Clearly you don't read what you write or are so blinded by your devotion to someone you've actually called a saviorthat you can't see it.
As for what vaporware is, there is no one definition to rule them all. It does have a general meaning which appears to deal with a long delay that results in never releasing. Not anything that hasn't released yet. That's call unreleased to me. Some projects take a long time and EQN is on that path currently, but they appear to still be actively working on it and communicating as such. Either way, I don't see the importance.
Also, your view of what a "community" is another odd duck. There is no EQN community on this site that I can see. There are a few that have issue with smed & co and never discuss the "game", a couple looking forward the the game and a bunch of random folks that pop in to say "fail" or whatever once in a while. Not exactly what I'd call a community.
This whole Baby Bell thing is rather amusing and that you believe your particular demographic is on top of the importance pile, but you keep doing what you gotta do to make yourself not be emotional involved. I'm sure all your money and age will result in the product you so desperately are in need of.
There is no reason to defend yourself. You have remain stalwart and steadfast on your parading of EQN, while holding the same stance since last year. You are not critical of anything and openly dismissive of Smed mistakes. I had only asked, that you accept reality and change your opinion based on logical means, not wants or emotion.
You need to change. You yourself are stuck in a year long rut, of regurgitation. It is the only reason why I've replied. As I do not visit these forums regularly. But you do and nobody should have to listen to the drivel you have been churning out. Using the same pseudo arguments.
Time to jump those tracks and suck in fresh air. Re-evaluate the latest known info and reformulate a new opinion.
That is called "learning".
So tell us, what did you learn from the latest Dev letter?
(I heard actual proof of vaporware status from daybreak. You do not even have to believe an insider, you can simply read their own official statement, to understand the status of EQN.)
You heard nothing of the sort. Take the lies off the forums please. What you're stating is complete speculation. Why? Because I actually have contacts at Daybreak who know differently. What you're doing is parading yourself around as some expert, claiming that you have facts, when you don't have anything of the sort. See, FACT is something that is a known. Even if someone WERE to tell you that it was vaporware, it's still not fact because it's not coming from someone who is the owner of that project. I've worked on many a project and there have been many negative sentiments from team members on some of those projects. That doesn't mean that what they're saying is correct.
Now, if we're taking one person's account as fact, then I guess the Loch Ness Monster, Bigfoot, UFOs, Ghosts, Aliens, the New Jersey Devil, Yeti, and many other things are all real. Sweet! Mysteries solved!
Originally posted by Dalanon At this point my biggest fear is that it will end up another vanguard where it has a ton of potential but is a half finished game at release due to deadlines.
I'm not saying Vanguard, but this example seems to be SOE to a science. All their game seem like they will be awesome prior to release, but then fall flat once they do release.
There always seems to be something lacking or critical flaw that keeps the games from realizing the potential that was built up prior to release. Lack of content, buggy unfinished release, stifling revenue model, missing features, hackers, etc, etc.
I'm not talking about things like "all games have problems at release" or any other generalizations, but specifically how this company delivers... or rather doesn't.
EQN sounds amazing on paper, but that is just talk.
Originally posted by Dalanon At this point my biggest fear is that it will end up another vanguard where it has a ton of potential but is a half finished game at release due to deadlines.
I'm not saying Vanguard, but this example seems to be SOE to a science. All their game seem like they will be awesome prior to release, but then fall flat once they do release.
There always seems to be something lacking or critical flaw that keeps the games from realizing the potential that was built up prior to release. Lack of content, buggy unfinished release, stifling revenue model, missing features, hackers, etc, etc.
I'm not talking about things like "all games have problems at release" or any other generalizations, but specifically how this company delivers... or rather doesn't.
EQN sounds amazing on paper, but that is just talk.
I really like how people refer to a failure of SOE to deliver when the game was developed by Sigil Games, not SOE. That was a Brad McQuaid ship, not a Smedley ship. Oh, and Sigil is also famous for their massive douchebaggery, calling the the staff of Sigil Games to the parking lot where they were all told, "You're All Fired". The next day the SOE acquisition was announced. You know, so Brad could make out like a bandit, right? Classy.
Oh! And BTW, the reason for the acquisition was that Sigil was out of money. So without SOE, Vanguard wouldn't have had the run that it did. Just putting it out there because I often hear SOE vilified for something that's not even their fault, really. So, in the end, anyone who knew anything about Vanguard was gone, or had to be hired back as a consultant, but I'm sure the passion was gone by then, after getting throat-punched by the same guy who is now coming back and trying to hire you on as a consultant a week after he axed you. So, I'd imagine that the quality of people that were brought back in was less than stellar, never mind the mindset or drive of those people.
Originally posted by Dalanon At this point my biggest fear is that it will end up another vanguard where it has a ton of potential but is a half finished game at release due to deadlines.
I'm not saying Vanguard, but this example seems to be SOE to a science. All their game seem like they will be awesome prior to release, but then fall flat once they do release.
There always seems to be something lacking or critical flaw that keeps the games from realizing the potential that was built up prior to release. Lack of content, buggy unfinished release, stifling revenue model, missing features, hackers, etc, etc.
I'm not talking about things like "all games have problems at release" or any other generalizations, but specifically how this company delivers... or rather doesn't.
EQN sounds amazing on paper, but that is just talk.
I really like how people refer to a failure of SOE to deliver when the game was developed by Sigil Games, not SOE. That was a Brad McQuaid ship, not a Smedley ship. Oh, and Sigil is also famous for their massive douchebaggery, calling the the staff of Sigil Games to the parking lot where they were all told, "You're All Fired". The next day the SOE acquisition was announced. You know, so Brad could make out like a bandit, right? Classy.
Oh! And BTW, the reason for the acquisition was that Sigil was out of money. So without SOE, Vanguard wouldn't have had the run that it did. Just putting it out there because I often hear SOE vilified for something that's not even their fault, really. So, in the end, anyone who knew anything about Vanguard was gone, or had to be hired back as a consultant, but I'm sure the passion was gone by then, after getting throat-punched by the same guy who is now coming back and trying to hire you on as a consultant a week after he axed you. So, I'd imagine that the quality of people that were brought back in was less than stellar, never mind the mindset or drive of those people.
Perhaps I wasn't clear, but I was referencing how the condition of Vanguard mimics that of SOE games. Huge amounts of potential on paper, but overall never deliver and ends up lack luster at best.
Also, there always seems to be a contradiction about Vanguard. Brad is blamed for everything that went wrong, but SOE is somehow the savior. Yet SOE was involved with the game prior to release, during release and eventually completely 100% in charge shortly after release. Brad made almost every mistake possible, but SOE gets to share in the failure the game was.
Though we are really talking about which of these two (Brad or Smed) has a worse track record or screwed up their respective company more.
Perhaps I wasn't clear, but I was referencing how the condition of Vanguard mimics that of SOE games. Huge amounts of potential on paper, but overall never deliver and ends up lack luster at best.
Also, there always seems to be a contradiction about Vanguard. Brad is blamed for everything that went wrong, but SOE is somehow the savior. Yet SOE was involved with the game prior to release, during release and eventually completely 100% in charge shortly after release. Brad made almost every mistake possible, but SOE gets to share in the failure the game was.
Though we are really talking about which of these two (Brad or Smed) has a worse track record or screwed up their respective company more.
Totally agree with your assessment of SOE's history. They've had so much potential greatness to only shoot themselves in the foot or have a long friendship with bad luck. Pretty much every game they've had some part of has had a lot of issues, minus vanilla EQ and I attribute that simply to the time, simplicity of the game, and lack of competition that pretty much anything had a chance to rise to pick up a fan base. Not that EQ was perfect, but it didn't have as many glaring flaws as future SOE products.
To me Brad/Sigil were/are SOE's indie shop in some ways. He gets a lot of credit for EQ but really the game isn't that impressive compared to what has come after in terms of features and what not and his attempt to do something "more" didn't go so well and he ended up back at SOE, just to leave again which history seems to determined to repeat itself.
Despite all that, I hope EQN & Pantheon turn out well, but both have an uphill battle to overcome.
See how it is nearly 100% based on emotion, and not on logic or tangible evidence, etc? Just a mish-mash of hopes based on wants.
Lets face it, you blindly believe John Smedley. And the rest of the community faults you for that. What makes you so stand-out is how blindfully and faithfully you follow & support him. So at odds with reality, that it borders on fanaticism, or suspicion.
EverQuest Next is going to have to fight to become one of the Baby Bells. And as of right now, it is not doing to well given Daybreak's 2-pseudo projects with a total of 50 fanatical fans.
Ask John Smedley outright the condition, or state of EverQuest Next. It is in deed Vaporware. Matter of fact, the day it is not, is when Smedley will fill the airwaves lauding it over me. As I am sure he reads these posts.
Coincidentally, why are you going on & on & on about Brad? Why do you bring him up in every post?
edit: btw, that is the definition of vaporware. The term has been around for at least 30 years.
Really don't know if you are for real or trolling me at this point. Some how you use your opinion as fact which it to lacks tangible evidence.
I take 99.99% of what Smed says with a huge bucket of salt. But he knows more than you or I when it comes to the project (not that it is HIS project). If he says it is still in the works and there are weekly updates discussing aspects of it (boring as they are), that is good enough for me to believe the game is still in development.
What EQN actually ends up being is a completely different story and I don't have a huge amount of blind faith in that area. If Landmark is anything of what EQN might be from the mechanics and what not, I most likely won't play EQN.
No clue where you are getting this fanaticism as I've said nothing that shows die hard belief without any proof. Why I bring of Brad is you say one thing yet do the opposite when it comes to something you have faith in.
Clearly you don't read what you write or are so blinded by your devotion to someone you've actually called a saviorthat you can't see it.
As for what vaporware is, there is no one definition to rule them all. It does have a general meaning which appears to deal with a long delay that results in never releasing. Not anything that hasn't released yet. That's call unreleased to me. Some projects take a long time and EQN is on that path currently, but they appear to still be actively working on it and communicating as such. Either way, I don't see the importance.
Also, your view of what a "community" is another odd duck. There is no EQN community on this site that I can see. There are a few that have issue with smed & co and never discuss the "game", a couple looking forward the the game and a bunch of random folks that pop in to say "fail" or whatever once in a while. Not exactly what I'd call a community.
This whole Baby Bell thing is rather amusing and that you believe your particular demographic is on top of the importance pile, but you keep doing what you gotta do to make yourself not be emotional involved. I'm sure all your money and age will result in the product you so desperately are in need of.
There is no reason to defend yourself. You have remain stalwart and steadfast on your parading of EQN, while holding the same stance since last year. You are not critical of anything and openly dismissive of Smed mistakes. I had only asked, that you accept reality and change your opinion based on logical means, not wants or emotion.
You need to change. You yourself are stuck in a year long rut, of regurgitation. It is the only reason why I've replied. As I do not visit these forums regularly. But you do and nobody should have to listen to the drivel you have been churning out. Using the same pseudo arguments.
Time to jump those tracks and suck in fresh air. Re-evaluate the latest known info and reformulate a new opinion.
That is called "learning".
So tell us, what did you learn from the latest Dev letter?
(I heard actual proof of vaporware status from daybreak. You do not even have to believe an insider, you can simply read their own official statement, to understand the status of EQN.)
You heard nothing of the sort. Take the lies off the forums please. What you're stating is complete speculation. Why? Because I actually have contacts at Daybreak who know differently. What you're doing is parading yourself around as some expert, claiming that you have facts, when you don't have anything of the sort. See, FACT is something that is a known. Even if someone WERE to tell you that it was vaporware, it's still not fact because it's not coming from someone who is the owner of that project. I've worked on many a project and there have been many negative sentiments from team members on some of those projects. That doesn't mean that what they're saying is correct.
Now, if we're taking one person's account as fact, then I guess the Loch Ness Monster, Bigfoot, UFOs, Ghosts, Aliens, the New Jersey Devil, Yeti, and many other things are all real. Sweet! Mysteries solved!
Says the person who doesn't know what Vaporware is?
I am sorry you feel disgruntled and are not privy to things I and others are. But again if you do not believe me, even their most recent letter hints at EQn Vapor. It clearly states the EQN is Vapor, because Daybreak is mocking up Qeynos, on LM servers. Do you not get it ??
Understand, all games start out as vapor, they just don't usually stay in that state 2 years after announcement. John is trying REALLY... REALLY hard to get EQN out of Vapor. He has a long way to go. You do not have to believe anything I say, but go ahead and ask John Smedley himself. Ask him, he will dismiss it again, or won't answer.
When EQN has substance, Smed will be on every site with "Big News". (And somehow you doubt that, which is quite odd.)
You are going a long way to attempt to disprove me. But then again, so is Smed. But even he is not dumb enough to lie.
See how it is nearly 100% based on emotion, and not on logic or tangible evidence, etc? Just a mish-mash of hopes based on wants.
Lets face it, you blindly believe John Smedley. And the rest of the community faults you for that. What makes you so stand-out is how blindfully and faithfully you follow & support him. So at odds with reality, that it borders on fanaticism, or suspicion.
EverQuest Next is going to have to fight to become one of the Baby Bells. And as of right now, it is not doing to well given Daybreak's 2-pseudo projects with a total of 50 fanatical fans.
Ask John Smedley outright the condition, or state of EverQuest Next. It is in deed Vaporware. Matter of fact, the day it is not, is when Smedley will fill the airwaves lauding it over me. As I am sure he reads these posts.
Coincidentally, why are you going on & on & on about Brad? Why do you bring him up in every post?
edit: btw, that is the definition of vaporware. The term has been around for at least 30 years.
Really don't know if you are for real or trolling me at this point. Some how you use your opinion as fact which it to lacks tangible evidence.
I take 99.99% of what Smed says with a huge bucket of salt. But he knows more than you or I when it comes to the project (not that it is HIS project). If he says it is still in the works and there are weekly updates discussing aspects of it (boring as they are), that is good enough for me to believe the game is still in development.
What EQN actually ends up being is a completely different story and I don't have a huge amount of blind faith in that area. If Landmark is anything of what EQN might be from the mechanics and what not, I most likely won't play EQN.
No clue where you are getting this fanaticism as I've said nothing that shows die hard belief without any proof. Why I bring of Brad is you say one thing yet do the opposite when it comes to something you have faith in.
Clearly you don't read what you write or are so blinded by your devotion to someone you've actually called a saviorthat you can't see it.
As for what vaporware is, there is no one definition to rule them all. It does have a general meaning which appears to deal with a long delay that results in never releasing. Not anything that hasn't released yet. That's call unreleased to me. Some projects take a long time and EQN is on that path currently, but they appear to still be actively working on it and communicating as such. Either way, I don't see the importance.
Also, your view of what a "community" is another odd duck. There is no EQN community on this site that I can see. There are a few that have issue with smed & co and never discuss the "game", a couple looking forward the the game and a bunch of random folks that pop in to say "fail" or whatever once in a while. Not exactly what I'd call a community.
This whole Baby Bell thing is rather amusing and that you believe your particular demographic is on top of the importance pile, but you keep doing what you gotta do to make yourself not be emotional involved. I'm sure all your money and age will result in the product you so desperately are in need of.
There is no reason to defend yourself. You have remain stalwart and steadfast on your parading of EQN, while holding the same stance since last year. You are not critical of anything and openly dismissive of Smed mistakes. I had only asked, that you accept reality and change your opinion based on logical means, not wants or emotion.
You need to change. You yourself are stuck in a year long rut, of regurgitation. It is the only reason why I've replied. As I do not visit these forums regularly. But you do and nobody should have to listen to the drivel you have been churning out. Using the same pseudo arguments.
Time to jump those tracks and suck in fresh air. Re-evaluate the latest known info and reformulate a new opinion.
That is called "learning".
So tell us, what did you learn from the latest Dev letter?
(I heard actual proof of vaporware status from daybreak. You do not even have to believe an insider, you can simply read their own official statement, to understand the status of EQN.)
You heard nothing of the sort. Take the lies off the forums please. What you're stating is complete speculation. Why? Because I actually have contacts at Daybreak who know differently. What you're doing is parading yourself around as some expert, claiming that you have facts, when you don't have anything of the sort. See, FACT is something that is a known. Even if someone WERE to tell you that it was vaporware, it's still not fact because it's not coming from someone who is the owner of that project. I've worked on many a project and there have been many negative sentiments from team members on some of those projects. That doesn't mean that what they're saying is correct.
Now, if we're taking one person's account as fact, then I guess the Loch Ness Monster, Bigfoot, UFOs, Ghosts, Aliens, the New Jersey Devil, Yeti, and many other things are all real. Sweet! Mysteries solved!
Says the person who doesn't know what Vaporware is?
I am sorry you feel disgruntled and are not privy to things I and others are. But again if you do not believe me, even their most recent letter hints at EQn Vapor. It clearly states the EQN is Vapor, because Daybreak is mocking up Qeynos, on LM servers. Do you not get it ??
Understand, all games start out as vapor, they just don't usually stay in that state 2 years after announcement. John is trying REALLY... REALLY hard to get EQN out of Vapor. He has a long way to go. You do not have to believe anything I say, but go ahead and ask John Smedley himself. Ask him, he will dismiss it again, or won't answer.
When EQN has substance, Smed will be on every site with "Big News". (And somehow you doubt that, which is quite odd.)
You are going a long way to attempt to disprove me. But then again, so is Smed. But even he is not dumb enough to lie.
Again, here. Saying that every product starts out as Vaporware is ridiculous and obviously shows that you have no idea what you're talking about. The announcement is key. Otherwise nobody knows about it anyway. Could EQN become Vaporware. Well, yes, it has been announced. The biggest difference is the lack of silence. If this goes 6 months without any updates, then you could start calling it vaporware. It's when a dev goes silent that you know it's in trouble.
As far as what I'm privy to, you have no idea about my involvement in the industry is. Same way that I have no idea what involvement you have. I kind of get the feeling that you either ARE or you know a former SOE employee. I lean less towards that you ARE a former employee because you don't know what vaporware is. However, that being said, it would account for the toxic attitude. Unfortunately, a lack of any real factual evidence of the project status leads me to believe that's not the case. Someone involved with the project would know much more intimate details about the project than the anecdotes that you have.
I'll end with a final question, what did CN buy? SOEs portfolio wasn't strong at the time of purchase. So what did they buy? Also, I've been involved with a couple VC takeovers and the due diligence process is a nightmare. They almost want it served to them on a silver platter. So if EQN is "vaporware" and Landmark is basically cooked, then what did CN buy? If they just wanted to buy a game company, I can tell you that Project Copernicus is still on the market, it's a game that still, TO THIS DAY!! has a server running with the game on it, PLUS you'd easily get the project for pennies on the dollar at this point since it's passed IP auction already and nobody bought it. So what did CN buy? A brand? Oh, wait, no they just re-branded it. So what did CN buy?
Originally posted by Dalanon At this point my biggest fear is that it will end up another vanguard where it has a ton of potential but is a half finished game at release due to deadlines.
I'm not saying Vanguard, but this example seems to be SOE to a science. All their game seem like they will be awesome prior to release, but then fall flat once they do release.
There always seems to be something lacking or critical flaw that keeps the games from realizing the potential that was built up prior to release. Lack of content, buggy unfinished release, stifling revenue model, missing features, hackers, etc, etc.
I'm not talking about things like "all games have problems at release" or any other generalizations, but specifically how this company delivers... or rather doesn't.
EQN sounds amazing on paper, but that is just talk.
I really like how people refer to a failure of SOE to deliver when the game was developed by Sigil Games, not SOE. That was a Brad McQuaid ship, not a Smedley ship. Oh, and Sigil is also famous for their massive douchebaggery, calling the the staff of Sigil Games to the parking lot where they were all told, "You're All Fired". The next day the SOE acquisition was announced. You know, so Brad could make out like a bandit, right? Classy.
Oh! And BTW, the reason for the acquisition was that Sigil was out of money. So without SOE, Vanguard wouldn't have had the run that it did. Just putting it out there because I often hear SOE vilified for something that's not even their fault, really. So, in the end, anyone who knew anything about Vanguard was gone, or had to be hired back as a consultant, but I'm sure the passion was gone by then, after getting throat-punched by the same guy who is now coming back and trying to hire you on as a consultant a week after he axed you. So, I'd imagine that the quality of people that were brought back in was less than stellar, never mind the mindset or drive of those people.
Perhaps I wasn't clear, but I was referencing how the condition of Vanguard mimics that of SOE games. Huge amounts of potential on paper, but overall never deliver and ends up lack luster at best.
Also, there always seems to be a contradiction about Vanguard. Brad is blamed for everything that went wrong, but SOE is somehow the savior. Yet SOE was involved with the game prior to release, during release and eventually completely 100% in charge shortly after release. Brad made almost every mistake possible, but SOE gets to share in the failure the game was.
Though we are really talking about which of these two (Brad or Smed) has a worse track record or screwed up their respective company more.
Oh, Brad and Smed are both horrible project managers, I don't dispute that. I'm also not saying that SOE was the saviour of Vanguard. They bailed it out. That's about it. They bailed it out and went to market with it in a bad state. Don't be surprised if the same thing is done with EQN. It's a heavy push to get it to market and then worry about fixing bugs post-release. That being said, it's not CNs first rodeo. They have an extensive portfolio of tech companies, so maybe they know how to deliver software, I don't know.
That being said, it's not CNs first rodeo. They have an extensive portfolio of tech companies, so maybe they know how to deliver software, I don't know.
That might be true, but by all reports from Daybreak, Columbus Nova is hands off from operations and nothing has changed at Daybreaks operations or new leadership being put in place.
That being said, it's not CNs first rodeo. They have an extensive portfolio of tech companies, so maybe they know how to deliver software, I don't know.
That might be true, but by all reports from Daybreak, Columbus Nova is hands off from operations and nothing has changed at Daybreaks operations or new leadership being put in place.
All things considered, that isn't good news.
Agreed, but hands-off doesn't mean that they haven't set a clear agenda or vision or directive. My guess is that is "We've spent plenty of time telling people how great dinner is going to be, how much they're going to love it, how much better it's going to be than other dinners they've had, how they're going to make dinner, what sort of ingredients they're using to make dinner, setting the table, selling tickets to dinner, etc. It's time to put dinner on the effing table and we don't care if it's slop and it's served straight off the table, and they have to eat it with their hands. Just get it done."
So get your wallets out, expect pre-orders, and I wouldn't be surprised if we start seeing something pop up in the next 6-8 months for early access.
See how it is nearly 100% based on emotion, and not on logic or tangible evidence, etc? Just a mish-mash of hopes based on wants.
Lets face it, you blindly believe John Smedley. And the rest of the community faults you for that. What makes you so stand-out is how blindfully and faithfully you follow & support him. So at odds with reality, that it borders on fanaticism, or suspicion.
EverQuest Next is going to have to fight to become one of the Baby Bells. And as of right now, it is not doing to well given Daybreak's 2-pseudo projects with a total of 50 fanatical fans.
Ask John Smedley outright the condition, or state of EverQuest Next. It is in deed Vaporware. Matter of fact, the day it is not, is when Smedley will fill the airwaves lauding it over me. As I am sure he reads these posts.
Coincidentally, why are you going on & on & on about Brad? Why do you bring him up in every post?
edit: btw, that is the definition of vaporware. The term has been around for at least 30 years.
Really don't know if you are for real or trolling me at this point. Some how you use your opinion as fact which it to lacks tangible evidence.
I take 99.99% of what Smed says with a huge bucket of salt. But he knows more than you or I when it comes to the project (not that it is HIS project). If he says it is still in the works and there are weekly updates discussing aspects of it (boring as they are), that is good enough for me to believe the game is still in development.
What EQN actually ends up being is a completely different story and I don't have a huge amount of blind faith in that area. If Landmark is anything of what EQN might be from the mechanics and what not, I most likely won't play EQN.
No clue where you are getting this fanaticism as I've said nothing that shows die hard belief without any proof. Why I bring of Brad is you say one thing yet do the opposite when it comes to something you have faith in.
Clearly you don't read what you write or are so blinded by your devotion to someone you've actually called a saviorthat you can't see it.
As for what vaporware is, there is no one definition to rule them all. It does have a general meaning which appears to deal with a long delay that results in never releasing. Not anything that hasn't released yet. That's call unreleased to me. Some projects take a long time and EQN is on that path currently, but they appear to still be actively working on it and communicating as such. Either way, I don't see the importance.
Also, your view of what a "community" is another odd duck. There is no EQN community on this site that I can see. There are a few that have issue with smed & co and never discuss the "game", a couple looking forward the the game and a bunch of random folks that pop in to say "fail" or whatever once in a while. Not exactly what I'd call a community.
This whole Baby Bell thing is rather amusing and that you believe your particular demographic is on top of the importance pile, but you keep doing what you gotta do to make yourself not be emotional involved. I'm sure all your money and age will result in the product you so desperately are in need of.
There is no reason to defend yourself. You have remain stalwart and steadfast on your parading of EQN, while holding the same stance since last year. You are not critical of anything and openly dismissive of Smed mistakes. I had only asked, that you accept reality and change your opinion based on logical means, not wants or emotion.
You need to change. You yourself are stuck in a year long rut, of regurgitation. It is the only reason why I've replied. As I do not visit these forums regularly. But you do and nobody should have to listen to the drivel you have been churning out. Using the same pseudo arguments.
Time to jump those tracks and suck in fresh air. Re-evaluate the latest known info and reformulate a new opinion.
That is called "learning".
So tell us, what did you learn from the latest Dev letter?
(I heard actual proof of vaporware status from daybreak. You do not even have to believe an insider, you can simply read their own official statement, to understand the status of EQN.)
You heard nothing of the sort. Take the lies off the forums please. What you're stating is complete speculation. Why? Because I actually have contacts at Daybreak who know differently. What you're doing is parading yourself around as some expert, claiming that you have facts, when you don't have anything of the sort. See, FACT is something that is a known. Even if someone WERE to tell you that it was vaporware, it's still not fact because it's not coming from someone who is the owner of that project. I've worked on many a project and there have been many negative sentiments from team members on some of those projects. That doesn't mean that what they're saying is correct.
Now, if we're taking one person's account as fact, then I guess the Loch Ness Monster, Bigfoot, UFOs, Ghosts, Aliens, the New Jersey Devil, Yeti, and many other things are all real. Sweet! Mysteries solved!
Says the person who doesn't know what Vaporware is?
I am sorry you feel disgruntled and are not privy to things I and others are. But again if you do not believe me, even their most recent letter hints at EQn Vapor. It clearly states the EQN is Vapor, because Daybreak is mocking up Qeynos, on LM servers. Do you not get it ??
Understand, all games start out as vapor, they just don't usually stay in that state 2 years after announcement. John is trying REALLY... REALLY hard to get EQN out of Vapor. He has a long way to go. You do not have to believe anything I say, but go ahead and ask John Smedley himself. Ask him, he will dismiss it again, or won't answer.
When EQN has substance, Smed will be on every site with "Big News". (And somehow you doubt that, which is quite odd.)
You are going a long way to attempt to disprove me. But then again, so is Smed. But even he is not dumb enough to lie.
Again, here. Saying that every product starts out as Vaporware is ridiculous and obviously shows that you have no idea what you're talking about. The announcement is key. Otherwise nobody knows about it anyway. Could EQN become Vaporware. Well, yes, it has been announced. The biggest difference is the lack of silence. If this goes 6 months without any updates, then you could start calling it vaporware. It's when a dev goes silent that you know it's in trouble.
As far as what I'm privy to, you have no idea about my involvement in the industry is. Same way that I have no idea what involvement you have. I kind of get the feeling that you either ARE or you know a former SOE employee. I lean less towards that you ARE a former employee because you don't know what vaporware is. However, that being said, it would account for the toxic attitude. Unfortunately, a lack of any real factual evidence of the project status leads me to believe that's not the case. Someone involved with the project would know much more intimate details about the project than the anecdotes that you have.
I'll end with a final question, what did CN buy? SOEs portfolio wasn't strong at the time of purchase. So what did they buy? Also, I've been involved with a couple VC takeovers and the due diligence process is a nightmare. They almost want it served to them on a silver platter. So if EQN is "vaporware" and Landmark is basically cooked, then what did CN buy? If they just wanted to buy a game company, I can tell you that Project Copernicus is still on the market, it's a game that still, TO THIS DAY!! has a server running with the game on it, PLUS you'd easily get the project for pennies on the dollar at this point since it's passed IP auction already and nobody bought it. So what did CN buy? A brand? Oh, wait, no they just re-branded it. So what did CN buy?
I am not here to argue. There is context to my words.
I do not know, how you do not understand Daybreak's last letter. They were quite clear. Perhaps you are unable to read between the lines ? Their "focus" is now going to be more towards EQN.
And yet, they are doing a mock up of Qeynos on landmark? Daybreak is as eager as some of you.
Those two things don't support your theories, they support the facts I have mentioned. You just have some crusade against the term defining the state of the game. It is ridiculous.
And yes, every piece of SOFTWARE starts out as vaporWARE. (Vapor: a substance diffused or suspended in the air, especially one normally liquid or solid.) When the come together, they become soft.
I get your tactic of shoot the messenger. Why are you so mad?
Why not just debate with proof? A video, a screen shot, etc. I feel you are misdirecting your anger at those who are showing you things you do not want to see. Instead of being upset with the non-transparent Smedley's Daybreak.
What is so wrong with Shroud of the Avatar? Or TROVE ?? CrowFall ???
I find it fascinating that you do not support those games, given your context. Any right minded MMORPG player is on the EQ progressive servers, not here talking about a fast food mmo.
See how it is nearly 100% based on emotion, and not on logic or tangible evidence, etc? Just a mish-mash of hopes based on wants.
Lets face it, you blindly believe John Smedley. And the rest of the community faults you for that. What makes you so stand-out is how blindfully and faithfully you follow & support him. So at odds with reality, that it borders on fanaticism, or suspicion.
EverQuest Next is going to have to fight to become one of the Baby Bells. And as of right now, it is not doing to well given Daybreak's 2-pseudo projects with a total of 50 fanatical fans.
Ask John Smedley outright the condition, or state of EverQuest Next. It is in deed Vaporware. Matter of fact, the day it is not, is when Smedley will fill the airwaves lauding it over me. As I am sure he reads these posts.
Coincidentally, why are you going on & on & on about Brad? Why do you bring him up in every post?
edit: btw, that is the definition of vaporware. The term has been around for at least 30 years.
Really don't know if you are for real or trolling me at this point. Some how you use your opinion as fact which it to lacks tangible evidence.
I take 99.99% of what Smed says with a huge bucket of salt. But he knows more than you or I when it comes to the project (not that it is HIS project). If he says it is still in the works and there are weekly updates discussing aspects of it (boring as they are), that is good enough for me to believe the game is still in development.
What EQN actually ends up being is a completely different story and I don't have a huge amount of blind faith in that area. If Landmark is anything of what EQN might be from the mechanics and what not, I most likely won't play EQN.
No clue where you are getting this fanaticism as I've said nothing that shows die hard belief without any proof. Why I bring of Brad is you say one thing yet do the opposite when it comes to something you have faith in.
Clearly you don't read what you write or are so blinded by your devotion to someone you've actually called a saviorthat you can't see it.
As for what vaporware is, there is no one definition to rule them all. It does have a general meaning which appears to deal with a long delay that results in never releasing. Not anything that hasn't released yet. That's call unreleased to me. Some projects take a long time and EQN is on that path currently, but they appear to still be actively working on it and communicating as such. Either way, I don't see the importance.
Also, your view of what a "community" is another odd duck. There is no EQN community on this site that I can see. There are a few that have issue with smed & co and never discuss the "game", a couple looking forward the the game and a bunch of random folks that pop in to say "fail" or whatever once in a while. Not exactly what I'd call a community.
This whole Baby Bell thing is rather amusing and that you believe your particular demographic is on top of the importance pile, but you keep doing what you gotta do to make yourself not be emotional involved. I'm sure all your money and age will result in the product you so desperately are in need of.
There is no reason to defend yourself. You have remain stalwart and steadfast on your parading of EQN, while holding the same stance since last year. You are not critical of anything and openly dismissive of Smed mistakes. I had only asked, that you accept reality and change your opinion based on logical means, not wants or emotion.
You need to change. You yourself are stuck in a year long rut, of regurgitation. It is the only reason why I've replied. As I do not visit these forums regularly. But you do and nobody should have to listen to the drivel you have been churning out. Using the same pseudo arguments.
Time to jump those tracks and suck in fresh air. Re-evaluate the latest known info and reformulate a new opinion.
That is called "learning".
So tell us, what did you learn from the latest Dev letter?
(I heard actual proof of vaporware status from daybreak. You do not even have to believe an insider, you can simply read their own official statement, to understand the status of EQN.)
You heard nothing of the sort. Take the lies off the forums please. What you're stating is complete speculation. Why? Because I actually have contacts at Daybreak who know differently. What you're doing is parading yourself around as some expert, claiming that you have facts, when you don't have anything of the sort. See, FACT is something that is a known. Even if someone WERE to tell you that it was vaporware, it's still not fact because it's not coming from someone who is the owner of that project. I've worked on many a project and there have been many negative sentiments from team members on some of those projects. That doesn't mean that what they're saying is correct.
Now, if we're taking one person's account as fact, then I guess the Loch Ness Monster, Bigfoot, UFOs, Ghosts, Aliens, the New Jersey Devil, Yeti, and many other things are all real. Sweet! Mysteries solved!
Says the person who doesn't know what Vaporware is?
I am sorry you feel disgruntled and are not privy to things I and others are. But again if you do not believe me, even their most recent letter hints at EQn Vapor. It clearly states the EQN is Vapor, because Daybreak is mocking up Qeynos, on LM servers. Do you not get it ??
Understand, all games start out as vapor, they just don't usually stay in that state 2 years after announcement. John is trying REALLY... REALLY hard to get EQN out of Vapor. He has a long way to go. You do not have to believe anything I say, but go ahead and ask John Smedley himself. Ask him, he will dismiss it again, or won't answer.
When EQN has substance, Smed will be on every site with "Big News". (And somehow you doubt that, which is quite odd.)
You are going a long way to attempt to disprove me. But then again, so is Smed. But even he is not dumb enough to lie.
Again, here. Saying that every product starts out as Vaporware is ridiculous and obviously shows that you have no idea what you're talking about. The announcement is key. Otherwise nobody knows about it anyway. Could EQN become Vaporware. Well, yes, it has been announced. The biggest difference is the lack of silence. If this goes 6 months without any updates, then you could start calling it vaporware. It's when a dev goes silent that you know it's in trouble.
As far as what I'm privy to, you have no idea about my involvement in the industry is. Same way that I have no idea what involvement you have. I kind of get the feeling that you either ARE or you know a former SOE employee. I lean less towards that you ARE a former employee because you don't know what vaporware is. However, that being said, it would account for the toxic attitude. Unfortunately, a lack of any real factual evidence of the project status leads me to believe that's not the case. Someone involved with the project would know much more intimate details about the project than the anecdotes that you have.
I'll end with a final question, what did CN buy? SOEs portfolio wasn't strong at the time of purchase. So what did they buy? Also, I've been involved with a couple VC takeovers and the due diligence process is a nightmare. They almost want it served to them on a silver platter. So if EQN is "vaporware" and Landmark is basically cooked, then what did CN buy? If they just wanted to buy a game company, I can tell you that Project Copernicus is still on the market, it's a game that still, TO THIS DAY!! has a server running with the game on it, PLUS you'd easily get the project for pennies on the dollar at this point since it's passed IP auction already and nobody bought it. So what did CN buy? A brand? Oh, wait, no they just re-branded it. So what did CN buy?
I am not here to argue. There is context to my words.
I do not know, how you do not understand Daybreak's last letter. They were quite clear. Perhaps you are unable to read between the lines ? Their "focus" is now going to be more towards EQN.
And yet, they are doing a mock up of Qeynos on landmark? Daybreak is as eager as some of you.
Those two things don't support your theories, they support the facts I have mentioned. You just have some crusade against the term defining the state of the game. It is ridiculous.
And yes, every piece of SOFTWARE starts out as vaporWARE. (Vapor: a substance diffused or suspended in the air, especially one normally liquid or solid.) When the come together, they become soft.
I get your tactic of shoot the messenger. Why are you so mad?
Why not just debate with proof? A video, a screen shot, etc. I feel you are misdirecting your anger at those who are showing you things you do not want to see. Instead of being upset with the non-transparent Smedley's Daybreak.
What is so wrong with Shroud of the Avatar? Or TROVE ?? CrowFall ???
I find it fascinating that you do not support those games, given your context. Any right minded MMORPG player is on the EQ progressive servers, not here talking about a fast food mmo.
I'm not here to argue at all. I'm even saying that EQN is in a state where it could become vaporware. However, what I am disputing is your so-called facts. You call them facts yet ask, "can't you read between the lines?" That's contradictory at the core. I'm not sure why you can't understand that. Secondly, you claim to be an expert yet have a commonly-accepted term such as "vaporware" defined down to the sum of it's parts. So I suppose that software is something that is squishy and, if that's the case, hardware is something that's rigid and firmware is somewhere inbetween. So as software matures, it becomes firmware because it's less squishy and then from there it grows up into hardware.
Feel free to edit the Wikipedia entry or bring up the subject over at the gamasutra forums and be laughed out of there as well. I'm not asking you to explain your definition, I'm telling you, outright, that you've got it all wrong and by arguing the validity of your definition, it just makes you look more foolish.
Asking me to provide you with proof that it isn't vaporware simply shows that you have no proof that it is vaporware, so I'm not sure what the argument is. I suppose that when it does or does not release then one of us will find gratification of coming back to this topic and saying "I told you so". Hooray.
As far as the other games you've mentioned, I own Trove, almost owned SotA during the recent steam sale, and I probably would have backed Crowfall if I felt it had the value I expect to see from my KS games. Instead I'll wait for it to release. All are completely fine, though. No complaints about it. Why do you ask? Are you simply on a crusade to herd people away from EQN from some reason?
Oh, and you never answered my question as to what CN bought. Sorry, but a VC doesn't invest in vapor and tired, dead IP without a a safety net. Not only that, by they don't care about EQ1 private servers? What's left? Where's their money? There will likely have to be $0.5-1 Billion somewhere. Maybe SOE was mining bitcoin with their servers.
See how it is nearly 100% based on emotion, and not on logic or tangible evidence, etc? Just a mish-mash of hopes based on wants.
Lets face it, you blindly believe John Smedley. And the rest of the community faults you for that. What makes you so stand-out is how blindfully and faithfully you follow & support him. So at odds with reality, that it borders on fanaticism, or suspicion.
EverQuest Next is going to have to fight to become one of the Baby Bells. And as of right now, it is not doing to well given Daybreak's 2-pseudo projects with a total of 50 fanatical fans.
Ask John Smedley outright the condition, or state of EverQuest Next. It is in deed Vaporware. Matter of fact, the day it is not, is when Smedley will fill the airwaves lauding it over me. As I am sure he reads these posts.
Coincidentally, why are you going on & on & on about Brad? Why do you bring him up in every post?
edit: btw, that is the definition of vaporware. The term has been around for at least 30 years.
Really don't know if you are for real or trolling me at this point. Some how you use your opinion as fact which it to lacks tangible evidence.
I take 99.99% of what Smed says with a huge bucket of salt. But he knows more than you or I when it comes to the project (not that it is HIS project). If he says it is still in the works and there are weekly updates discussing aspects of it (boring as they are), that is good enough for me to believe the game is still in development.
What EQN actually ends up being is a completely different story and I don't have a huge amount of blind faith in that area. If Landmark is anything of what EQN might be from the mechanics and what not, I most likely won't play EQN.
No clue where you are getting this fanaticism as I've said nothing that shows die hard belief without any proof. Why I bring of Brad is you say one thing yet do the opposite when it comes to something you have faith in.
Clearly you don't read what you write or are so blinded by your devotion to someone you've actually called a saviorthat you can't see it.
As for what vaporware is, there is no one definition to rule them all. It does have a general meaning which appears to deal with a long delay that results in never releasing. Not anything that hasn't released yet. That's call unreleased to me. Some projects take a long time and EQN is on that path currently, but they appear to still be actively working on it and communicating as such. Either way, I don't see the importance.
Also, your view of what a "community" is another odd duck. There is no EQN community on this site that I can see. There are a few that have issue with smed & co and never discuss the "game", a couple looking forward the the game and a bunch of random folks that pop in to say "fail" or whatever once in a while. Not exactly what I'd call a community.
This whole Baby Bell thing is rather amusing and that you believe your particular demographic is on top of the importance pile, but you keep doing what you gotta do to make yourself not be emotional involved. I'm sure all your money and age will result in the product you so desperately are in need of.
There is no reason to defend yourself. You have remain stalwart and steadfast on your parading of EQN, while holding the same stance since last year. You are not critical of anything and openly dismissive of Smed mistakes. I had only asked, that you accept reality and change your opinion based on logical means, not wants or emotion.
You need to change. You yourself are stuck in a year long rut, of regurgitation. It is the only reason why I've replied. As I do not visit these forums regularly. But you do and nobody should have to listen to the drivel you have been churning out. Using the same pseudo arguments.
Time to jump those tracks and suck in fresh air. Re-evaluate the latest known info and reformulate a new opinion.
That is called "learning".
So tell us, what did you learn from the latest Dev letter?
(I heard actual proof of vaporware status from daybreak. You do not even have to believe an insider, you can simply read their own official statement, to understand the status of EQN.)
You heard nothing of the sort. Take the lies off the forums please. What you're stating is complete speculation. Why? Because I actually have contacts at Daybreak who know differently. What you're doing is parading yourself around as some expert, claiming that you have facts, when you don't have anything of the sort. See, FACT is something that is a known. Even if someone WERE to tell you that it was vaporware, it's still not fact because it's not coming from someone who is the owner of that project. I've worked on many a project and there have been many negative sentiments from team members on some of those projects. That doesn't mean that what they're saying is correct.
Now, if we're taking one person's account as fact, then I guess the Loch Ness Monster, Bigfoot, UFOs, Ghosts, Aliens, the New Jersey Devil, Yeti, and many other things are all real. Sweet! Mysteries solved!
Says the person who doesn't know what Vaporware is?
I am sorry you feel disgruntled and are not privy to things I and others are. But again if you do not believe me, even their most recent letter hints at EQn Vapor. It clearly states the EQN is Vapor, because Daybreak is mocking up Qeynos, on LM servers. Do you not get it ??
Understand, all games start out as vapor, they just don't usually stay in that state 2 years after announcement. John is trying REALLY... REALLY hard to get EQN out of Vapor. He has a long way to go. You do not have to believe anything I say, but go ahead and ask John Smedley himself. Ask him, he will dismiss it again, or won't answer.
When EQN has substance, Smed will be on every site with "Big News". (And somehow you doubt that, which is quite odd.)
You are going a long way to attempt to disprove me. But then again, so is Smed. But even he is not dumb enough to lie.
Again, here. Saying that every product starts out as Vaporware is ridiculous and obviously shows that you have no idea what you're talking about. The announcement is key. Otherwise nobody knows about it anyway. Could EQN become Vaporware. Well, yes, it has been announced. The biggest difference is the lack of silence. If this goes 6 months without any updates, then you could start calling it vaporware. It's when a dev goes silent that you know it's in trouble.
As far as what I'm privy to, you have no idea about my involvement in the industry is. Same way that I have no idea what involvement you have. I kind of get the feeling that you either ARE or you know a former SOE employee. I lean less towards that you ARE a former employee because you don't know what vaporware is. However, that being said, it would account for the toxic attitude. Unfortunately, a lack of any real factual evidence of the project status leads me to believe that's not the case. Someone involved with the project would know much more intimate details about the project than the anecdotes that you have.
I'll end with a final question, what did CN buy? SOEs portfolio wasn't strong at the time of purchase. So what did they buy? Also, I've been involved with a couple VC takeovers and the due diligence process is a nightmare. They almost want it served to them on a silver platter. So if EQN is "vaporware" and Landmark is basically cooked, then what did CN buy? If they just wanted to buy a game company, I can tell you that Project Copernicus is still on the market, it's a game that still, TO THIS DAY!! has a server running with the game on it, PLUS you'd easily get the project for pennies on the dollar at this point since it's passed IP auction already and nobody bought it. So what did CN buy? A brand? Oh, wait, no they just re-branded it. So what did CN buy?
I am not here to argue. There is context to my words.
I do not know, how you do not understand Daybreak's last letter. They were quite clear. Perhaps you are unable to read between the lines ? Their "focus" is now going to be more towards EQN.
And yet, they are doing a mock up of Qeynos on landmark? Daybreak is as eager as some of you.
Those two things don't support your theories, they support the facts I have mentioned. You just have some crusade against the term defining the state of the game. It is ridiculous.
And yes, every piece of SOFTWARE starts out as vaporWARE. (Vapor: a substance diffused or suspended in the air, especially one normally liquid or solid.) When the come together, they become soft.
I get your tactic of shoot the messenger. Why are you so mad?
Why not just debate with proof? A video, a screen shot, etc. I feel you are misdirecting your anger at those who are showing you things you do not want to see. Instead of being upset with the non-transparent Smedley's Daybreak.
What is so wrong with Shroud of the Avatar? Or TROVE ?? CrowFall ???
I find it fascinating that you do not support those games, given your context. Any right minded MMORPG player is on the EQ progressive servers, not here talking about a fast food mmo.
If you had something of substance to your post, I would reply. Your type of post I would love to bookmark and reply to when the game is released in some form, beta or otherwise lol. Talking useless circles about defining what vaporware is to discus where EQN is in development is retarded. I can define it as something else and make your stance moot. If you dont get the game is being made I cant help you. Only real topic at this point is what info we get about the game (And there is some) and if you like its direction. Even huge EQ fans like myself cant say if we will like or hate the game. At this point how anyone can stand there and say the game will suck, its not really being made or that DGC has not the skill to make an MMO thats new and ground breaking (they did it before) is just funny. Any company making a game thats shooting for RD areas of gameplay has a chance to change this industry if nothing more then by mistake lol. In searching is when discovery is made even if its not for what you seek. Lets bash DGC more as this helps us gamers vent even when we have no reason to. We should cheer on any company willing to do RD and try and push the MMO market in new directions even if they fail. Get a grip lol
Any right minded MMORPG player is on the EQ progressive servers, not here talking about a fast food mmo.
Clearly none of us, including yourself, are right minded mmorpg players, such a shame.
I hope all those folks running win95 sitting in front of CRTs are having a great time in EQ currently, but my tastes have changed a lot in the last 15 years.
Any right minded MMORPG player is on the EQ progressive servers, not here talking about a fast food mmo.
Clearly none of us, including yourself, are right minded mmorpg players, such a shame.
I hope all those folks running win95 sitting in front of CRTs are having a great time in EQ currently, but my tastes have changed a lot in the last 15 years.
Yes, that is what many people have been telling you.
Seems you are part of the social MMO building community. TROVE was a dead give a way. Modding maps in Battlefield 2 was 10x more rewarding than Landmark adventures. People typically only choose one creative game in their life and then move on. Landmark was a great idea but it has already flopped and is going to be a few years too late. People have packed up and moved on.
EverQuest Next is going to have to fight hard to compete with the other MMORPG coming out in the next few years. And Landmark is not winning Daybreak any favors, it is just dragging down and polarizing a community.
There is very little momentum behind any of this, other than the EverQuest name. What Daybreak has show today is what they have to offer. They are not hiding anything, or keeping secrets. No need to judge Daybreak on what you think, only on what they have released. You do not need any inside info to come to terms with what little SOE/Daybreak has produced in the last 6 months, you only have to see with your own eyes since Daybreak took over, again of what little they have done.
I did see a few new concept drawings of Elves though.
Daybreak has claimed their development "focus" has shifted to EQN, so next month I hope you guys start getting EQN info. Except I know you will not, because I know the context of their last letter. (I am sure that last sentence upsets you, but you will have to just live with it).
How is the "Year of EQn" working out for Smed? It is much better to come clean with the community, than harbor secrets.
Any right minded MMORPG player is on the EQ progressive servers, not here talking about a fast food mmo.
Clearly none of us, including yourself, are right minded mmorpg players, such a shame.
I hope all those folks running win95 sitting in front of CRTs are having a great time in EQ currently, but my tastes have changed a lot in the last 15 years.
Yes, that is what many people have been telling you.
Seems you are part of the social MMO building community. TROVE was a dead give a way. Modding maps in Battlefield 2 was 10x more rewarding than Landmark adventures. People typically only choose one creative game in their life and then move on. Landmark was a great idea but it has already flopped and is going to be a few years too late. People have packed up and moved on.
EverQuest Next is going to have to fight hard to compete with the other MMORPG coming out in the next few years. And Landmark is not winning Daybreak any favors, it is just dragging down and polarizing a community.
There is very little momentum behind any of this, other than the EverQuest name. What Daybreak has show today is what they have to offer. They are not hiding anything, or keeping secrets. No need to judge Daybreak on what you think, only on what they have released. You do not need any inside info to come to terms with what little SOE/Daybreak has produced in the last 6 months, you only have to see with your own eyes since Daybreak took over, again of what little they have done.
I did see a few new concept drawings of Elves though.
Daybreak has claimed their development "focus" has shifted to EQN, so next month I hope you guys start getting EQN info. Except I know you will not, because I know the context of their last letter. (I am sure that last sentence upsets you, but you will have to just live with it).
How is the "Year of EQn" working out for Smed? It is much better to come clean with the community, than harbor secrets.
Really doesn't matter at all.
Daybreak could be 100% silent for the next year if they wanted and it wouldn't change anything positively or negatively. Smed & Co saying words pre-launch is unimportant. What matters is the final product.
What some folks seem to not understand is that we that like to waste time on forums are a fraction of total gamers and potential customers.
Sure having a large/active fan base talking about games pre/post launch is great, but all that really matters is how many people they are able to convince to try the product and if it is quality and entertaining, people will give it a try, stick around and throw cash at it.
This is how it has always been and will be.
If it is just another game, those that remain probably won't be very high and most likely major changes will come sooner than later, which again is how it has worked from UO/EQ and onward.
All the seeing into the future, doom and gloom, rainbows and sunshine positive hype are for our own satisfaction for the most part.
You saying XYZ or me saying ABC isn't going to influence a mass of folks nor impact the outcome of the game in anyway.
Lies, empty promises, delays, crappy alphas/betas don't help launches, but for the most part, I doubt the majority of gamers really care or pay attention to such things. People see something new and shiny and look at a couple videos or whatever and decide to give it a go or not. If EQN ends up being F2P, the choice is even easier to try it.
While I'm sure many out there are sheep and only listen to what their twitch/youtube/game site overloads tell them, I'd bet many still have more faith in their own opinion.
No clue where you are getting I'm part of the building community or that I play Trove, but then again I don't know where you get a lot of your random ideas from so fits I guess.
I'm looking forward to Crowfall and Overwatch myself.
Looking at the actual upcoming games (not imaginary ones) there really isn't much out there for PVE folks and nothing like what EQN has been presented as.
If they actually pull off their vision, it could potentially be fairly popular as in GW2/ESO numbers if not more. Those out to play a very specific niche product probably aren't going to change their mind towards EQN regardless of how it turns out, but I could see gamers like myself that have more open tastes be pulled towards "better" products if EQN doesn't pull it off. Those that hop from game to game will continue to do so regardless.
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There is NOT a working EQN server at Daybreak.
Therefore, what you see in Landmark is the culmination of efforts of SOE/Daybreak. John is trying to define and compartmentalize each system and hurriedly trying to get them to work together and get the code all on a server just to shut his critics up.
But that may take another 4 ~ 10 months before EQN could even exists. That is, if Smedley is given the green light. And, if given, then pre-alpha would start. We are no where near that state of development from Daybreak at this time.
Landmark has a good chance of growing into Landmark Universe. Forget about dragons from Daybreak.
Really don't know if you are for real or trolling me at this point. Some how you use your opinion as fact which it to lacks tangible evidence.
I take 99.99% of what Smed says with a huge bucket of salt. But he knows more than you or I when it comes to the project (not that it is HIS project). If he says it is still in the works and there are weekly updates discussing aspects of it (boring as they are), that is good enough for me to believe the game is still in development.
What EQN actually ends up being is a completely different story and I don't have a huge amount of blind faith in that area. If Landmark is anything of what EQN might be from the mechanics and what not, I most likely won't play EQN.
No clue where you are getting this fanaticism as I've said nothing that shows die hard belief without any proof. Why I bring of Brad is you say one thing yet do the opposite when it comes to something you have faith in.
Clearly you don't read what you write or are so blinded by your devotion to someone you've actually called a savior that you can't see it.
As for what vaporware is, there is no one definition to rule them all. It does have a general meaning which appears to deal with a long delay that results in never releasing. Not anything that hasn't released yet. That's call unreleased to me. Some projects take a long time and EQN is on that path currently, but they appear to still be actively working on it and communicating as such. Either way, I don't see the importance.
Also, your view of what a "community" is another odd duck. There is no EQN community on this site that I can see. There are a few that have issue with smed & co and never discuss the "game", a couple looking forward the the game and a bunch of random folks that pop in to say "fail" or whatever once in a while. Not exactly what I'd call a community.
This whole Baby Bell thing is rather amusing and that you believe your particular demographic is on top of the importance pile, but you keep doing what you gotta do to make yourself not be emotional involved. I'm sure all your money and age will result in the product you so desperately are in need of.
There is no reason to defend yourself. You have remain stalwart and steadfast on your parading of EQN, while holding the same stance since last year. You are not critical of anything and openly dismissive of Smed mistakes. I had only asked, that you accept reality and change your opinion based on logical means, not wants or emotion.
You need to change. You yourself are stuck in a year long rut, of regurgitation. It is the only reason why I've replied. As I do not visit these forums regularly. But you do and nobody should have to listen to the drivel you have been churning out. Using the same pseudo arguments.
Time to jump those tracks and suck in fresh air. Re-evaluate the latest known info and reformulate a new opinion.
That is called "learning".
So tell us, what did you learn from the latest Dev letter?
(I heard actual proof of vaporware status from daybreak. You do not even have to believe an insider, you can simply read their own official statement, to understand the status of EQN.)
I learned that they are saying the same exact thing they said at the end of last year, which is they are moving the team's focus from Landmark to EQN. Why this didn't happen as planned is unknown to me but I assume it has to do with the change in ownership and all that came with it and or unforeseen complications in development itself.
Beyond that, there is nothing new to "learn." Game is said to still in development regardless if we are being given deep insight to the day to day operations or not.
I don't claim to know anything beyond what is presented and while I too have the amazing ability to use logic and come to my own conclusions, opinions, views, thoughts, they are mine and mine alone and hold no real factual importance.
The view that a product is vaporware until the day it is released to the public seems a bit silly to me, but you are free to use whatever terms you choose.
I don't need to change anything. I'm perfectly fine just the way I am, if you don't agree with my views or think me to be a fool, I'll survive.
As I've said many times, EQN most likely won't be a game I enjoy or even play with what I've seen from the team so far. The original concept sounded interested for a PVE experience, but ultimately I enjoy PVP and player driven content. I'd still like to see a challenging yet accessible PVE game hit the scene that doesn't copy/paste the EQ/WoW model, but I doubt such a game will come about anytime soon.
I'm critical of their progress and what I've seen Landmark develop into, but these are just video games and I give the benefit of the doubt until something real is presented. Complaining, trash talking and being overly negative just for the sake of being such doesn't improve my life in anyway. I'm not blinded by rainbows and sunshine or believe Smed and crew are the saviors of gaming, but I don't have any need to demonize them either. Beyond some fun years with early EQ and my time with PS2, the company as a whole hasn't provided me much entertainment over the last 15 years that I need to bow down and praise them for. I'll leave such idol worship to folks like yourself and other projects.
Not all who wander are lost...
1. It is 'carte blanche' not 'cate blanchett' (one is an expression meaning blank cheque the other is an Australian actress)
2. Nova Columbus may well be prepared to stop the losses by cancelling EQN and focussing on other games with a faster ROI.
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its not gonna happen #1 dont believe sony or smed #2 never trust sony or smed #3 smed dose not ever have cookies
sure they "MAY" come out with something but it will never be what they were talking about or close to what they were "WANTING" to work on..the close you will ever get will be Landmark you'll just have to go with that
You heard nothing of the sort. Take the lies off the forums please. What you're stating is complete speculation. Why? Because I actually have contacts at Daybreak who know differently. What you're doing is parading yourself around as some expert, claiming that you have facts, when you don't have anything of the sort. See, FACT is something that is a known. Even if someone WERE to tell you that it was vaporware, it's still not fact because it's not coming from someone who is the owner of that project. I've worked on many a project and there have been many negative sentiments from team members on some of those projects. That doesn't mean that what they're saying is correct.
Now, if we're taking one person's account as fact, then I guess the Loch Ness Monster, Bigfoot, UFOs, Ghosts, Aliens, the New Jersey Devil, Yeti, and many other things are all real. Sweet! Mysteries solved!
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That about sums it up.
I'm not saying Vanguard, but this example seems to be SOE to a science. All their game seem like they will be awesome prior to release, but then fall flat once they do release.
There always seems to be something lacking or critical flaw that keeps the games from realizing the potential that was built up prior to release. Lack of content, buggy unfinished release, stifling revenue model, missing features, hackers, etc, etc.
I'm not talking about things like "all games have problems at release" or any other generalizations, but specifically how this company delivers... or rather doesn't.
EQN sounds amazing on paper, but that is just talk.
I really like how people refer to a failure of SOE to deliver when the game was developed by Sigil Games, not SOE. That was a Brad McQuaid ship, not a Smedley ship. Oh, and Sigil is also famous for their massive douchebaggery, calling the the staff of Sigil Games to the parking lot where they were all told, "You're All Fired". The next day the SOE acquisition was announced. You know, so Brad could make out like a bandit, right? Classy.
Oh! And BTW, the reason for the acquisition was that Sigil was out of money. So without SOE, Vanguard wouldn't have had the run that it did. Just putting it out there because I often hear SOE vilified for something that's not even their fault, really. So, in the end, anyone who knew anything about Vanguard was gone, or had to be hired back as a consultant, but I'm sure the passion was gone by then, after getting throat-punched by the same guy who is now coming back and trying to hire you on as a consultant a week after he axed you. So, I'd imagine that the quality of people that were brought back in was less than stellar, never mind the mindset or drive of those people.
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Perhaps I wasn't clear, but I was referencing how the condition of Vanguard mimics that of SOE games. Huge amounts of potential on paper, but overall never deliver and ends up lack luster at best.
Also, there always seems to be a contradiction about Vanguard. Brad is blamed for everything that went wrong, but SOE is somehow the savior. Yet SOE was involved with the game prior to release, during release and eventually completely 100% in charge shortly after release. Brad made almost every mistake possible, but SOE gets to share in the failure the game was.
Though we are really talking about which of these two (Brad or Smed) has a worse track record or screwed up their respective company more.
Totally agree with your assessment of SOE's history. They've had so much potential greatness to only shoot themselves in the foot or have a long friendship with bad luck. Pretty much every game they've had some part of has had a lot of issues, minus vanilla EQ and I attribute that simply to the time, simplicity of the game, and lack of competition that pretty much anything had a chance to rise to pick up a fan base. Not that EQ was perfect, but it didn't have as many glaring flaws as future SOE products.
To me Brad/Sigil were/are SOE's indie shop in some ways. He gets a lot of credit for EQ but really the game isn't that impressive compared to what has come after in terms of features and what not and his attempt to do something "more" didn't go so well and he ended up back at SOE, just to leave again which history seems to determined to repeat itself.
Despite all that, I hope EQN & Pantheon turn out well, but both have an uphill battle to overcome.
Says the person who doesn't know what Vaporware is?
I am sorry you feel disgruntled and are not privy to things I and others are. But again if you do not believe me, even their most recent letter hints at EQn Vapor. It clearly states the EQN is Vapor, because Daybreak is mocking up Qeynos, on LM servers. Do you not get it ??
Understand, all games start out as vapor, they just don't usually stay in that state 2 years after announcement. John is trying REALLY... REALLY hard to get EQN out of Vapor. He has a long way to go. You do not have to believe anything I say, but go ahead and ask John Smedley himself. Ask him, he will dismiss it again, or won't answer.
When EQN has substance, Smed will be on every site with "Big News". (And somehow you doubt that, which is quite odd.)
You are going a long way to attempt to disprove me. But then again, so is Smed. But even he is not dumb enough to lie.
Again, here. Saying that every product starts out as Vaporware is ridiculous and obviously shows that you have no idea what you're talking about. The announcement is key. Otherwise nobody knows about it anyway. Could EQN become Vaporware. Well, yes, it has been announced. The biggest difference is the lack of silence. If this goes 6 months without any updates, then you could start calling it vaporware. It's when a dev goes silent that you know it's in trouble.
As far as what I'm privy to, you have no idea about my involvement in the industry is. Same way that I have no idea what involvement you have. I kind of get the feeling that you either ARE or you know a former SOE employee. I lean less towards that you ARE a former employee because you don't know what vaporware is. However, that being said, it would account for the toxic attitude. Unfortunately, a lack of any real factual evidence of the project status leads me to believe that's not the case. Someone involved with the project would know much more intimate details about the project than the anecdotes that you have.
I'll end with a final question, what did CN buy? SOEs portfolio wasn't strong at the time of purchase. So what did they buy? Also, I've been involved with a couple VC takeovers and the due diligence process is a nightmare. They almost want it served to them on a silver platter. So if EQN is "vaporware" and Landmark is basically cooked, then what did CN buy? If they just wanted to buy a game company, I can tell you that Project Copernicus is still on the market, it's a game that still, TO THIS DAY!! has a server running with the game on it, PLUS you'd easily get the project for pennies on the dollar at this point since it's passed IP auction already and nobody bought it. So what did CN buy? A brand? Oh, wait, no they just re-branded it. So what did CN buy?
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Oh, Brad and Smed are both horrible project managers, I don't dispute that. I'm also not saying that SOE was the saviour of Vanguard. They bailed it out. That's about it. They bailed it out and went to market with it in a bad state. Don't be surprised if the same thing is done with EQN. It's a heavy push to get it to market and then worry about fixing bugs post-release. That being said, it's not CNs first rodeo. They have an extensive portfolio of tech companies, so maybe they know how to deliver software, I don't know.
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That might be true, but by all reports from Daybreak, Columbus Nova is hands off from operations and nothing has changed at Daybreaks operations or new leadership being put in place.
All things considered, that isn't good news.
Agreed, but hands-off doesn't mean that they haven't set a clear agenda or vision or directive. My guess is that is "We've spent plenty of time telling people how great dinner is going to be, how much they're going to love it, how much better it's going to be than other dinners they've had, how they're going to make dinner, what sort of ingredients they're using to make dinner, setting the table, selling tickets to dinner, etc. It's time to put dinner on the effing table and we don't care if it's slop and it's served straight off the table, and they have to eat it with their hands. Just get it done."
So get your wallets out, expect pre-orders, and I wouldn't be surprised if we start seeing something pop up in the next 6-8 months for early access.
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I am not here to argue. There is context to my words.
I do not know, how you do not understand Daybreak's last letter. They were quite clear. Perhaps you are unable to read between the lines ? Their "focus" is now going to be more towards EQN.
And yet, they are doing a mock up of Qeynos on landmark? Daybreak is as eager as some of you.
Those two things don't support your theories, they support the facts I have mentioned. You just have some crusade against the term defining the state of the game. It is ridiculous.
And yes, every piece of SOFTWARE starts out as vaporWARE. (Vapor: a substance diffused or suspended in the air, especially one normally liquid or solid.) When the come together, they become soft.
I get your tactic of shoot the messenger. Why are you so mad?
Why not just debate with proof? A video, a screen shot, etc. I feel you are misdirecting your anger at those who are showing you things you do not want to see. Instead of being upset with the non-transparent Smedley's Daybreak.
What is so wrong with Shroud of the Avatar? Or TROVE ?? CrowFall ???
I find it fascinating that you do not support those games, given your context. Any right minded MMORPG player is on the EQ progressive servers, not here talking about a fast food mmo.
I'm not here to argue at all. I'm even saying that EQN is in a state where it could become vaporware. However, what I am disputing is your so-called facts. You call them facts yet ask, "can't you read between the lines?" That's contradictory at the core. I'm not sure why you can't understand that. Secondly, you claim to be an expert yet have a commonly-accepted term such as "vaporware" defined down to the sum of it's parts. So I suppose that software is something that is squishy and, if that's the case, hardware is something that's rigid and firmware is somewhere inbetween. So as software matures, it becomes firmware because it's less squishy and then from there it grows up into hardware.
Feel free to edit the Wikipedia entry or bring up the subject over at the gamasutra forums and be laughed out of there as well. I'm not asking you to explain your definition, I'm telling you, outright, that you've got it all wrong and by arguing the validity of your definition, it just makes you look more foolish.
Asking me to provide you with proof that it isn't vaporware simply shows that you have no proof that it is vaporware, so I'm not sure what the argument is. I suppose that when it does or does not release then one of us will find gratification of coming back to this topic and saying "I told you so". Hooray.
As far as the other games you've mentioned, I own Trove, almost owned SotA during the recent steam sale, and I probably would have backed Crowfall if I felt it had the value I expect to see from my KS games. Instead I'll wait for it to release. All are completely fine, though. No complaints about it. Why do you ask? Are you simply on a crusade to herd people away from EQN from some reason?
Oh, and you never answered my question as to what CN bought. Sorry, but a VC doesn't invest in vapor and tired, dead IP without a a safety net. Not only that, by they don't care about EQ1 private servers? What's left? Where's their money? There will likely have to be $0.5-1 Billion somewhere. Maybe SOE was mining bitcoin with their servers.
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Brindell - 90 Warrior - Emerald Dream - US
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If you had something of substance to your post, I would reply. Your type of post I would love to bookmark and reply to when the game is released in some form, beta or otherwise lol. Talking useless circles about defining what vaporware is to discus where EQN is in development is retarded. I can define it as something else and make your stance moot. If you dont get the game is being made I cant help you. Only real topic at this point is what info we get about the game (And there is some) and if you like its direction. Even huge EQ fans like myself cant say if we will like or hate the game. At this point how anyone can stand there and say the game will suck, its not really being made or that DGC has not the skill to make an MMO thats new and ground breaking (they did it before) is just funny. Any company making a game thats shooting for RD areas of gameplay has a chance to change this industry if nothing more then by mistake lol. In searching is when discovery is made even if its not for what you seek. Lets bash DGC more as this helps us gamers vent even when we have no reason to. We should cheer on any company willing to do RD and try and push the MMO market in new directions even if they fail. Get a grip lol
Clearly none of us, including yourself, are right minded mmorpg players, such a shame.
I hope all those folks running win95 sitting in front of CRTs are having a great time in EQ currently, but my tastes have changed a lot in the last 15 years.
Yes, that is what many people have been telling you.
Seems you are part of the social MMO building community. TROVE was a dead give a way. Modding maps in Battlefield 2 was 10x more rewarding than Landmark adventures. People typically only choose one creative game in their life and then move on. Landmark was a great idea but it has already flopped and is going to be a few years too late. People have packed up and moved on.
EverQuest Next is going to have to fight hard to compete with the other MMORPG coming out in the next few years. And Landmark is not winning Daybreak any favors, it is just dragging down and polarizing a community.
There is very little momentum behind any of this, other than the EverQuest name. What Daybreak has show today is what they have to offer. They are not hiding anything, or keeping secrets. No need to judge Daybreak on what you think, only on what they have released. You do not need any inside info to come to terms with what little SOE/Daybreak has produced in the last 6 months, you only have to see with your own eyes since Daybreak took over, again of what little they have done.
I did see a few new concept drawings of Elves though.
Daybreak has claimed their development "focus" has shifted to EQN, so next month I hope you guys start getting EQN info. Except I know you will not, because I know the context of their last letter. (I am sure that last sentence upsets you, but you will have to just live with it).
How is the "Year of EQn" working out for Smed? It is much better to come clean with the community, than harbor secrets.
Really doesn't matter at all.
Daybreak could be 100% silent for the next year if they wanted and it wouldn't change anything positively or negatively. Smed & Co saying words pre-launch is unimportant. What matters is the final product.
What some folks seem to not understand is that we that like to waste time on forums are a fraction of total gamers and potential customers.
Sure having a large/active fan base talking about games pre/post launch is great, but all that really matters is how many people they are able to convince to try the product and if it is quality and entertaining, people will give it a try, stick around and throw cash at it.
This is how it has always been and will be.
If it is just another game, those that remain probably won't be very high and most likely major changes will come sooner than later, which again is how it has worked from UO/EQ and onward.
All the seeing into the future, doom and gloom, rainbows and sunshine positive hype are for our own satisfaction for the most part.
You saying XYZ or me saying ABC isn't going to influence a mass of folks nor impact the outcome of the game in anyway.
Lies, empty promises, delays, crappy alphas/betas don't help launches, but for the most part, I doubt the majority of gamers really care or pay attention to such things. People see something new and shiny and look at a couple videos or whatever and decide to give it a go or not. If EQN ends up being F2P, the choice is even easier to try it.
While I'm sure many out there are sheep and only listen to what their twitch/youtube/game site overloads tell them, I'd bet many still have more faith in their own opinion.
No clue where you are getting I'm part of the building community or that I play Trove, but then again I don't know where you get a lot of your random ideas from so fits I guess.
I'm looking forward to Crowfall and Overwatch myself.
Looking at the actual upcoming games (not imaginary ones) there really isn't much out there for PVE folks and nothing like what EQN has been presented as.
If they actually pull off their vision, it could potentially be fairly popular as in GW2/ESO numbers if not more. Those out to play a very specific niche product probably aren't going to change their mind towards EQN regardless of how it turns out, but I could see gamers like myself that have more open tastes be pulled towards "better" products if EQN doesn't pull it off. Those that hop from game to game will continue to do so regardless.