EvE Players truly are the scum of the earth

Quazal.A

/sarcasmoff

 

http://community.eveonline.com/news/dev-blogs/plex-for-good-nepal-earthquake-relief-results/

 

For a nice heart-warming story about how eve community came together at another time of need  

alkarionlog

you do know its nothing for free right? and theya re getting something out of it too right?

 

from ccp they come with we like people and free PR marketing.

 

are you really sure it was from the goodness of they heart?

jdnewell

That truly is a good thing.

But it doesnt change the fact that the eve community in game is the most toxic one out there. Nor does it erase all the shit they have put players through in game. Like the rally to try and get someone to kill themselves.

Quazal.A

Originally posted by alkarionlog

you do know its nothing for free right? and theya re getting something out of it too right?

 

from ccp they come with we like people and free PR marketing.

 

are you really sure it was from the goodness of they heart?

this isn't about ccp donating as all they are doing is returning the plex from in game item to real cash, it is in fact the players who are using their ingame money to buy this 

and yep i know ccp are only there for the 'free adverts' but this is about how the players come together and donate from their own virtual pockets

 

Originally posted by jdnewell

That truly is a good thing.

But it doesnt change the fact that the eve community in game is the most toxic one out there. Nor does it erase all the shit they have put players through in game. Like the rally to try and get someone to kill themselves.

There was no rally, this has been blown out of proportion by the "eve=evil" posters , it was in fact 1 guy and that guy was promptly banned and has since never been in game, in fact to add a bit more, it was actually a Goonsworm leader, so it wasn't a rally, it was the leader being a goon (jerk), and this is the link https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&find=unread&t=86980  to his apology before his perma-ban

and this is the storyline about it after the event http://kotaku.com/5896611/suicidal-player-laughed-at-then-trolled-at-eve-online-gathering

 

Note, I am not condoning what teh guy did, but history has made this out to be a bigger thing than it was, yes we have scum in game im not going to deny it but we have far higher/loouder voice from a decent group of guys

SoaringBarnacle

It's pretty easy to fake being a super nice person giving money away to people in need when:

- This money is put forward by other players, who buy PLEX

- You transform ingame money you have botted, or scammed from aforementioned other players, into PLEX

 

Example: a standard EvE scammer scams a couple billion from a naive player through metagaming his emotions, then buys PLEXes, then gives to Nepal, then posts "WE ARE SUCH NICE PEOPLE SEE???????"

 

 

aliven

Originally posted by SoaringBarnacle

It's pretty easy to fake being a super nice person giving money away to people in need when:

- This money is put forward by other players, who buy PLEX

- You transform ingame money you have botted, or scammed from aforementioned other players, into PLEX

 

Example: a standard EvE scammer scams a couple billion from a naive player through metagaming his emotions, then buys PLEXes, then gives to Nepal, then posts "WE ARE SUCH NICE PEOPLE SEE???????"

 

 

But you dont give any money to charity right? Even the one you could steal right?

Muke

Originally posted by SoaringBarnacle

Example: a standard EvE scammer scams a couple billion from a naive player through metagaming his emotions, then buys PLEXes, then gives to Nepal, then posts "WE ARE SUCH NICE PEOPLE SEE???????"

 

 

Well, if it pleases you...I don't need new plexes for any of my accounts atm, so I didn't 'pretend' I was nice and donate to Nepal.

 

 

Off the record: you are just describing 99%/the world.

Your goverment screwing poor people and in the meantime donating money to those poor people in Africa or anywhere else.

Regular people donating money for the greater good but in fact doing it for tax refunds.

And you ofc were neaver angry when someone else got the credit for any good work that in fact YOU did, right?

 

 

But yeah, damn those nasty evil EVE players, they are scum.

Still not donating PLEX to Nepal though.

 

 

 

Gardavsshade

Originally posted by Quazal.A

Originally posted by alkarionlog

you do know its nothing for free right? and theya re getting something out of it too right?

 

from ccp they come with we like people and free PR marketing.

 

are you really sure it was from the goodness of they heart?

this isn't about ccp donating as all they are doing is returning the plex from in game item to real cash, it is in fact the players who are using their ingame money to buy this 

and yep i know ccp are only there for the 'free adverts' but this is about how the players come together and donate from their own virtual pockets

 

Originally posted by jdnewell

That truly is a good thing.

But it doesnt change the fact that the eve community in game is the most toxic one out there. Nor does it erase all the shit they have put players through in game. Like the rally to try and get someone to kill themselves.

There was no rally, this has been blown out of proportion by the "eve=evil" posters , it was in fact 1 guy and that guy was promptly banned and has since never been in game, in fact to add a bit more, it was actually a Goonsworm leader, so it wasn't a rally, it was the leader being a goon (jerk), and this is the link https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&find=unread&t=86980  to his apology before his perma-ban

and this is the storyline about it after the event http://kotaku.com/5896611/suicidal-player-laughed-at-then-trolled-at-eve-online-gathering

 

Note, I am not condoning what teh guy did, but history has made this out to be a bigger thing than it was, yes we have scum in game im not going to deny it but we have far higher/loouder voice from a decent group of guys

EvE Online isn't evil because one Player tried to encourage another Player to commit suicide in real life, EvE is evil because by CCP's own design all actions a Player could make ingame are to be viewed as potentially hostile/aggressive/negative/adversarial by other Players.

When a Team of Devs give that much advantage to the "Black Knights" then by default the game has no chance to be seen as anything else but Evil by some of us. CCP Devs in thepast admitted that EvE was made because the Devs played UO and wanted to create a MMO where Black Knights and White Knights could fight it out... but White Knights need to have a few non-negative things to do ingame or at the end of the day White Knights aren't "White"... their "Gray" at the very most.

With no possibility for positive, benign, non-hostile action in a MMO what else would you call it? Sandbox? Nope, not IMO, because Sandbox would allow for at least some possible non-hostile activities ingame that does not cause war decs or player hostilities.

EvE Online was made as a home for Blacklighters, no matter how much the Devs try to portrait in otherwise.

and Blacklighters wouldn't consider anything as "Home" unless it was evil by it's very nature. They wouldn't feel comfortable if it was any other way.

Muke

Originally posted by Gardavsshade

 

EvE Online isn't evil because one Player tried to encourage another Player to commit suicide in real life

 

Well, that one dumb player asked his followers to spam mail the desperate guy to commit suicide, which they did.

Among those followers are idiots of course, but also adults, among with high educated people with their own families and many with high placed jobs where you would expect some sort of adult behaviour.

And they did that.

Makes them not particularly 'evil' imo,                but trash.

 

Example:

I had the honor to play EVE with 2 guys, both of them died IRL. A thread was created by his EVE CEO to mention it because he had a long history and had unknowing friends outside the alliance.

Happens to be one of the hotshots of Goonswarm -the trash group you mentioned- thought it was funny to troll the RIP thread on the forums and make it reach tens of pages of sick jokes about those people that died. CCP had to come and clean the thread and issued temporary bans.

Add 1 year later, the guy that motivated the trolling - Vile Rat-  was shot and killed in Libya by extremists when he was working for the US goverment. All of a sudden everyone was shedding tears because this wonderful fellow was lost for the world.

 

Another example:

Then we have many players who have high placed positions in EVE who mass store information about their 'grunts' "to filter out spies", but in the meantime have a IT crew fishing (or is it phishing?) social media and other websites to gain as much information about those players to use against them, if ever needed.

With that I mean Real Life full names, family member names and info, Facebook stories, imagine sick family people info they can use, IP storage as a minimum ofc, linked telephone numbers/email addresses/their RL work location. The tel. phone number and email of their superiors there. all ready to use if ever the grunt does something which warrants use of this information.

 

^^ And that is just what Goonswarm is using when you register there and become a member. 

 

Every other alliance makes up lists of IP/and shares them with other entities ingame.

 

So yeah, EVE is like the real world, and has evil people and trash in it.

Gardavsshade

Originally posted by Muke

Originally posted by Gardavsshade

 

EvE Online isn't evil because one Player tried to encourage another Player to commit suicide in real life

Well, that one dumb player asked his followers to spam mail the desperate guy to commit suicide, which they did.

Among those followers are idiots of course, but also adults, among with high educated people with own families and high placed jobs.

And they did that. Makes them not particularly 'evil' imo, but trash.

 

Another example:

I had the honor to play EVE with 2 guys, both of them died IRL. A thread was created by his EVE CEO to mention it because he had a long history and had unknowing friends outside the alliance.

Happens to be one of the hotshots of Goonswarm -the trash group you mentioned- though it was funny to troll the RIP thread on the forums and make it reach tens of pages of sick jokes about those people that died. CCP had to come and clean the thread and issued temporary bans.

Add 1 year later, the guy that motivated the trolling - Vile Rat-  was shot and killed in Libya by extremists when he was working for the US goverment. All of a sudden everyone was shedding tears because this wonderful fellow was lost for the world.

 

So yeah, EVE is like the real world, and has trash in it.

Yes, that particular event was evil, I'm not saying it wasn't.

I was saying that EvE Online was designed to BE evil by the Devs themselves from the start. What happened in your example is the unfortunate, yet completely predictable, outcome of that Design. When a Dev creates a MMO designed to allow evil to flourish in a roleplay sense then eventually a few Players will cross the line and take the roleplay into real life.

 

As for the real world, it is now evil by any true definition of the term. It's beyond being just a trash dump... my own country especially.

We see things in a similar way Muke, allow me to expound a bit...

The definition of "Evil" I subscribe to the most is a one word defintion: Selfishness (Self-ish-ness). if you take a long look at EvE and it's features and gameworld "Selfishness" is exactly what the whole game is about...

That's MY roid.

That's MY Star System.

Your cargo is MY cargo now.

even though everything ingame is owned by CCP as the MMO owner, CCP still encourages us to view everything in EvE as ours even if we didn't buy it, or mine it, or build it, or received it as a gift. CCP encourages selfishness. Taking from others or denying others choices is considered "creating content"....

and no opportunity to do anything truly Self-less or non-hostile to others because CCP says all Player actions are to be considered Selfish by other Players, a point of view CCP actively encourages "for the sake of the game". Talk about a Dev Team tying Players hands and telling Players how to play their game. I don't consider that Sandbox, I consider that more Themepark than World of Warcraft, just in a sneaky subtle way.

I do see EvE and some of it's Players, who were attracted to EvE by how it's designed, as you do Muke.

Why do I think (my guess) the members of that particular alliance went along with their Leader's taunting for other Players to commit suicide? Because they didn't want to be seen as disloyal and chose to go along with the 'status quo" rather than risk retribution for standing up as saying what the Leader was doing was wrong... a selfish choice, to protect one's own self and position rather than to defend another that needed assistance.

You have my condolences.

GrumpyHobbit

I wonder how big the EVE spreadsheet is now?

SoaringBarnacle

Originally posted by aliven

But you dont give any money to charity right? Even the one you could steal right?

Actually I do, keep on being mad :DDDD

 

 

Phry

Originally posted by GrumpyHobbit
I wonder how big the EVE spreadsheet is now?

If you have to ask that question, then it is probably beyond your comprehension 

Kurir

I think the point is that the game itself fosters that sort of attitude and it surprises no one when it does. Eve certainly caters to the lowest element in the Online gaming community.

Theocritus

I really dont understand the appeal of the game....Terrible community, no avatar, space ship only, point and click, P2P....Other than the skill system I really didnt see another good thing about Eve.

Kyleran

Theocritus said:

I really dont understand the appeal of the game....Terrible community, no avatar, space ship only, point and click, P2P....Other than the skill system I really didnt see another good thing about Eve.

Terrific and terrible community, I have a very cool avatar that walks about in my Captain's Qtrs, I fly many different space ships, can actually fly my ship via WASD and love the skill training system.

None of this is what EVE is really about so understandable why you arent getting it.

Uziduke

Quazal.A said:

Originally posted by alkarionlog

you do know its nothing for free right? and theya re getting something out of it too right?

 

from ccp they come with we like people and free PR marketing.

 

are you really sure it was from the goodness of they heart?

this isn't about ccp donating as all they are doing is returning the plex from in game item to real cash, it is in fact the players who are using their ingame money to buy this 

and yep i know ccp are only there for the 'free adverts' but this is about how the players come together and donate from their own virtual pockets

 

Originally posted by jdnewell

That truly is a good thing.

But it doesnt change the fact that the eve community in game is the most toxic one out there. Nor does it erase all the shit they have put players through in game. Like the rally to try and get someone to kill themselves.

There was no rally, this has been blown out of proportion by the "eve=evil" posters , it was in fact 1 guy and that guy was promptly banned and has since never been in game, in fact to add a bit more, it was actually a Goonsworm leader, so it wasn't a rally, it was the leader being a goon (jerk), and this is the link https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&find=unread&t=86980  to his apology before his perma-ban

and this is the storyline about it after the event http://kotaku.com/5896611/suicidal-player-laughed-at-then-trolled-at-eve-online-gathering

 

Note, I am not condoning what teh guy did, but history has made this out to be a bigger thing than it was, yes we have scum in game im not going to deny it but we have far higher/loouder voice from a

Quazal.A said:

Originally posted by alkarionlog

you do know its nothing for free right? and theya re getting something out of it too right?

 

from ccp they come with we like people and free PR marketing.

 

are you really sure it was from the goodness of they heart?

this isn't about ccp donating as all they are doing is returning the plex from in game item to real cash, it is in fact the players who are using their ingame money to buy this 

and yep i know ccp are only there for the 'free adverts' but this is about how the players come together and donate from their own virtual pockets

 

Originally posted by jdnewell

That truly is a good thing.

But it doesnt change the fact that the eve community in game is the most toxic one out there. Nor does it erase all the shit they have put players through in game. Like the rally to try and get someone to kill themselves.

There was no rally, this has been blown out of proportion by the "eve=evil" posters , it was in fact 1 guy and that guy was promptly banned and has since never been in game, in fact to add a bit more, it was actually a Goonsworm leader, so it wasn't a rally, it was the leader being a goon (jerk), and this is the link https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&find=unread&t=86980  to his apology before his perma-ban

and this is the storyline about it after the event http://kotaku.com/5896611/suicidal-player-laughed-at-then-trolled-at-eve-online-gathering

 

Note, I am not condoning what teh guy did, but history has made this out to be a bigger thing than it was, yes we have scum in game im not going to deny it but we have far higher/loouder voice from a decent group of guys

The Mittani still plays EVE and has his own news site. http://eve-kill.net/?a=pilot_detail&view=kills&plt_id=15309&m=8&y=2015 still active from the last campaign.

simplius

Kurir said:

I think the point is that the game itself fosters that sort of attitude and it surprises no one when it does. Eve certainly caters to the lowest element in the Online gaming community.

umm...COD? APB ? scarlet blade?

some EVE players are evil, but at least they have some skills

í would always put a EVE griefer over a APB griefer, simply because of the skills

wyldmagik

Because dying from smoke inhalation is the same as getting shot. *rolls eyes*

Octagon7711

To be truly balanced they should immolate the real world and allow at least a justice system like in Archeage with courts and sentencing.  The next step would be to allow players to form law enforcement agencies to enforce a balance. 

So the guy who infiltrated the corp and took it apart could be taken to ingame court and forced to pay restitution and/or risk doing time.  Or players who got ganked could do the same.  Making for a safer universe and allowing the game to grow as players would stay because they could actually fight against wrong doing ingame instead of appealing to Devs.

What player wouldn't want to be a eve-marshall or eve-special agent?  Or sentence other players in court?

wyldmagik

You can do this ingame already, just get people/corps/alliances together and do your own justice. Thats what its about dear man.

simplius

wyldmagik said:

Because dying from smoke inhalation is the same as getting shot. *rolls eyes*

the result is pretty much the same, what is your point?